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2013-05-10 01:37:32 AM
9 votes:

Gyrfalcon: doglover: I don't think that's such a problem. They were already aware their son was in the hospital greviously hurt and they were en route. It's not like the school didn't contact them ASAP. And quite frankly, if you send your kids to boarding school, they're out of your family for the time and part of that organization. That organization has an obligation to its members when something happens to one.

Tragedy, but compared to the Syria situation and stuff like that it's a non-issue.

Yeah, mostly this. Welcome to the age where instantaneous communication is now possible. Yes, it was very sad that someone at the school jumped the gun; but would the parents be "suing the school" if one of the kid's classmates had found out and posted it on his Facebook first without the school's knowledge? Or would they now be suing the doctor for daring to pronounce the boy dead before the parents could get there first?

I now foresee a whole new era of people being kept alive on breathing machines so this doesn't happen--"Yes, your son died 14 hours ago, but we didn't dare pronounce in case you felt like suing us because his friends wanted to tell you how sorry they were ahead of your official grief?"


You're both making ridiculous assertions to cast the family as looney. The head of the school decided to post about the death of a student without getting the family's permission. While I'm not sure if the school deserve to be sued, or if he deserves to lose his job over it, it's a colossally bone headed move which understandably has left the family very upset.

The head of school is a moron.
2013-05-10 01:39:20 AM
6 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Yeah, mostly this. Welcome to the age where instantaneous communication is now possible. Yes, it was very sad that someone at the school jumped the gun; but would the parents be "suing the school" if one of the kid's classmates had found out and posted it on his Facebook first without the school's knowledge? Or would they now be suing the doctor for daring to pronounce the boy dead before the parents could get there first?


It wasn't "someone".  It was the Principal of the school.  Someone is a position of leadership and is responsible for other people's children.  Making sure the parents are notified and (more importantly) understanding their wishes is leadership 101.  He showed an incredible lack of common sense.  One wonders what other bad decisions he is making on a daily basis if he can't even handle this basic scenario.

He should be terminated immediately.   For cause.
2013-05-10 12:15:09 AM
5 votes:
I don't think that's such a problem. They were already aware their son was in the hospital greviously hurt and they were en route. It's not like the school didn't contact them ASAP. And quite frankly, if you send your kids to boarding school, they're out of your family for the time and part of that organization. That organization has an obligation to its members when something happens to one.

Tragedy, but compared to the Syria situation and stuff like that it's a non-issue.
2013-05-10 01:51:34 AM
4 votes:
I don't care if this is "the information age". There are certain protocols, etiquettes, professional behaviors.. whatever you want to call it... that the school majorly screwed up with. If one of the kid's friends was there and tweeted about it or put it on Facebook, fine. But for the school to make a official public announcement without having even spoken to the parents is beyond irresponsible.

Not saying the school should have to do any kind of settlement, but people have been rightly fired for less.
2013-05-10 01:36:55 AM
4 votes:
Oh no, so sorry the school officials you shipped your kid to since you couldn't be bothered to raise him yourself found out he died before you did.

At least he was hit by a Range Rover and not a Hyundai or a Kia. How horrible would that have been? You'd never be able to show your face at the country club after that.
2013-05-10 02:07:54 AM
3 votes:
HIPPA of course does not exist in England, so while such a disclosure would be illegal in the US, it may not be there.  Without knowing how long the drive was for the parents I'm hard pressed to decide if it was "too soon" for the school to put up such a notice.  The time between when the parents were first notified to when the school posted the notice may have been hours.  Plus, if the school was already being contacted by the parents of other students (which may well have been the case) then I can see the desire to get out in front of the situation.
2013-05-10 01:56:50 AM
2 votes:

HotWingAgenda: Why would the hospital notify the school of the death before his next of kin?  That strikes me as a bizarre violation of privacy, unless he actually died on the spot in front of everybody before the medics could scrape him off the pavement.


This.

/Found out my Uncle Pat died via Facebook. Uncle Pat lived four miles away from me in Waikiki. I found out from my cousin who lives in Virginia. I was pissed. My cousin's dad (my Uncle John) was pissed because he thought I was the first to learn of Uncle Pat dying, but I wasn't. So stupid.
//My Grandma is currently comatose and shuffling off the mortal coil. I told my parents to tell me when she dies before anyone posts it on Facebook. I can't take finding out that way about my beloved Grandma Bear.
2013-05-10 01:56:43 AM
2 votes:

doglover: Tragedy, but compared to the Syria situation and stuff like that it's a non-issue.


I'm having more heart surgery in the next few months. But compared to the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor and stuff like that it's a non-issue.

(you see how maybe you're making slightly unfair comparisons?)
2013-05-10 01:50:17 AM
2 votes:

gingerjet: Gyrfalcon: Yeah, mostly this. Welcome to the age where instantaneous communication is now possible. Yes, it was very sad that someone at the school jumped the gun; but would the parents be "suing the school" if one of the kid's classmates had found out and posted it on his Facebook first without the school's knowledge? Or would they now be suing the doctor for daring to pronounce the boy dead before the parents could get there first?

It wasn't "someone".  It was the Principal of the school.  Someone is a position of leadership and is responsible for other people's children.  Making sure the parents are notified and (more importantly) understanding their wishes is leadership 101.  He showed an incredible lack of common sense.  One wonders what other bad decisions he is making on a daily basis if he can't even handle this basic scenario.

He should be terminated immediately.   For cause.


Well, no argument there; my point was only that it's just as likely one of the kid's classmates could have found out and texted the parents "So sory to hear about Jrs death he waz reely cool". And it's not really a basic scenario--it's likely never happened before. Does it happen a lot where you live, that kids die at boarding school, and the principal has to decide whether to let the students' friends (who are probably very close to him, at least as close as the parents he hasn't seen for six months) know as soon as possible?

Bear in mind that at a BOARDING SCHOOL, the kids are family too, and likely as traumatized as the parents, especially when one of their number gets run over by a car. Probably the principal had been besieged by dozens of Jr's friends "Is he okay? Did he die? When can we find out?" Now, I'll admit that dummy principal should have posted "We will notify you as soon as his parents arrive," but you can see where he/she was coming from.
2013-05-10 01:38:25 AM
2 votes:
Why would the hospital notify the school of the death before his next of kin?  That strikes me as a bizarre violation of privacy, unless he actually died on the spot in front of everybody before the medics could scrape him off the pavement.
2013-05-10 01:35:54 AM
2 votes:

manwithplanx: Welcome to the Information Age. If it wasn't the school then it would've been someone on Twitter or Facebook.


As someone who found out through Facebook posts that their grandfather had passed away, I must concur.

Nothing like randomly surfing on Facebook only to start seeing all your cousins start posting "RIP Grandpa" all over the place.

/give it a few damn hours, geez...
2013-05-10 01:24:48 AM
2 votes:

doglover: I don't think that's such a problem. They were already aware their son was in the hospital greviously hurt and they were en route. It's not like the school didn't contact them ASAP. And quite frankly, if you send your kids to boarding school, they're out of your family for the time and part of that organization. That organization has an obligation to its members when something happens to one.

Tragedy, but compared to the Syria situation and stuff like that it's a non-issue.


Yeah, mostly this. Welcome to the age where instantaneous communication is now possible. Yes, it was very sad that someone at the school jumped the gun; but would the parents be "suing the school" if one of the kid's classmates had found out and posted it on his Facebook first without the school's knowledge? Or would they now be suing the doctor for daring to pronounce the boy dead before the parents could get there first?

I now foresee a whole new era of people being kept alive on breathing machines so this doesn't happen--"Yes, your son died 14 hours ago, but we didn't dare pronounce in case you felt like suing us because his friends wanted to tell you how sorry they were ahead of your official grief?"
2013-05-10 01:08:15 AM
2 votes:
Welcome to the Information Age. If it wasn't the school then it would've been someone on Twitter or Facebook.
2013-05-10 03:33:19 AM
1 votes:

ElizaDoolittle: This is much ado about lawsuits, however much the parents claim they aren't seeking to profit from the death of their son.


If they don't want to profit, tell them to drop the suit.

In fact, it should be law that if you say "I don't want to profit" you cannot be awarded more than a written apology on a torn off piece of legal pad paper.
2013-05-10 03:26:15 AM
1 votes:
Unless the parents can get a change of venue to some place a little more plaintiff friendly like California or Michigan I don't really see this suit going anywhere. The only difference between finding out from the headmaster vs.their friends would have been if they'd experienced some problem on the way there because he didn't call and say, "Slow down because the kid will still be dead when you get here."
2013-05-10 03:18:27 AM
1 votes:

INeedAName: A poster said the mother already knew the son was dead. So the hospital or someone informed the mother. Assume the school found out formally, or informally, my issue is that the school had no right to release the info without family permission.


No argument there.
2013-05-10 03:13:40 AM
1 votes:

Alonjar: ElizaDoolittle: Pert: HotWingAgenda: Why would the hospital notify the school of the death before his next of kin?  That strikes me as a bizarre violation of privacy, unless he actually died on the spot in front of everybody before the medics could scrape him off the pavement.

Because he was at boarding school and the school has legal responsibility for him and the hospitalonly have the school's contact details and it should be for the school to notify the parents?

He was at day school.  I don't know how this changes anything.

He was at a boarding school.. the exact opposite of a day school.

/Did I just get trolled or is this guy really that thick?


Making an ignorant or willfully ignorant post is hardly trolling. You're in the clear.

www.imageleech.net

/link is hot
2013-05-10 03:11:37 AM
1 votes:

INeedAName: As someone who works for a boarding school, I would have every medically useful bit of info in my hands before the paramedics arrived. And while I do have the primary responsibility while students are in our care, that in no way diminishes HIPAA which would preclude me from disseminating medical information to anyone other than the student, family, and medical persons.

What the head of school did was completely beyond the bounds of what would be acceptable in the US. But this was in the UK and while I find it to have been a terrible decision, I dont know if there are laws or regulations to which anyone was bound.


That's nice. We were discussing the hospital giving info to the school. Not the school giving info to the public.

Also, the fact you can get you students medical records before the paramedics arrive is commendable. I hope all schools are as efficient as yours.
2013-05-10 03:07:25 AM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: doglover: I don't think that's such a problem. They were already aware their son was in the hospital greviously hurt and they were en route. It's not like the school didn't contact them ASAP. And quite frankly, if you send your kids to boarding school, they're out of your family for the time and part of that organization. That organization has an obligation to its members when something happens to one.

Tragedy, but compared to the Syria situation and stuff like that it's a non-issue.

Yeah, mostly this. Welcome to the age where instantaneous communication is now possible. Yes, it was very sad that someone at the school jumped the gun; but would the parents be "suing the school" if one of the kid's classmates had found out and posted it on his Facebook first without the school's knowledge? Or would they now be suing the doctor for daring to pronounce the boy dead before the parents could get there first?

I now foresee a whole new era of people being kept alive on breathing machines so this doesn't happen--"Yes, your son died 14 hours ago, but we didn't dare pronounce in case you felt like suing us because his friends wanted to tell you how sorry they were ahead of your official grief?"


The whole doctor pronouncing you dead thing, that has to go in garbage.

You're dead when you're dead. We have to define what that means specifically, but it doesn't matter if there's even another human in the galaxy you're in when you die. It doesn't matter if medical science finds a way to resurrect you after you die. The fact is when your body is dead it's dead and that's it. The doctor's pronouncement is a legal formailty from the age of lawyers, which is an age whose time has come. We must reject the lawyers and those who support their dark arts like the Aztecs abandoned human sacrifice and became the Mexicans.
2013-05-10 02:50:19 AM
1 votes:

impaler: HotWingAgenda: I know nothing about English medical privacy, but in the US, doctors can't go around pronouncing medical diagnosis to whoever the f*ck calls to ask about a minor patient.

What if that "whoever" is the loco parentis?


That ended when the ambulance picked him up from the school and the school gave the paramedics his family's contact info.  He wasn't a goddamn orphan.
2013-05-10 02:48:26 AM
1 votes:

HotWingAgenda: Why would the hospital notify the school of the death before his next of kin?  That strikes me as a bizarre violation of privacy, unless he actually died on the spot in front of everybody before the medics could scrape him off the pavement.




Well keep in mind he is at boarding school... the school administrators have temporary guardianship over their students, since they live at the school and are the responsibility of the school. Im pretty sure you give private boarding schools permission to make medical decisions etc in the contract. So in that context, it makes sense.

I think what happened here though is the kid got splatted right off the bat, in front of half the school (or at least anyone at the athletic field). So the school went ahead and began emergency counseling and addressing the problem of traumatized students right away.

Sucks for the parents, but the only reason they are suing the school and demanding the guys resignation is because they are pissed their child is dead and they need to lash out at somebody. Which really irritates me. At least they arent calling politicians demanding laws be written yet.
2013-05-10 02:41:39 AM
1 votes:

HotWingAgenda: I know nothing about English medical privacy, but in the US, doctors can't go around pronouncing medical diagnosis to whoever the f*ck calls to ask about a minor patient.


What if that "whoever" is the loco parentis?
2013-05-10 02:31:49 AM
1 votes:
AMC Presents: The Awkward Dead.
2013-05-10 02:21:07 AM
1 votes:

Shenanigans!: Oh no, so sorry the school officials you shipped your kid to since you couldn't be bothered to raise him yourself found out he died before you did.

At least he was hit by a Range Rover and not a Hyundai or a Kia. How horrible would that have been? You'd never be able to show your face at the country club after that.


That's some world-class snark right there. I wish I'D said it ...
2013-05-10 01:57:32 AM
1 votes:
I am pretty sure the proper etiquette for cases like this is a singing telegram.
2013-05-10 01:56:53 AM
1 votes:
Thanks Obama.
2013-05-10 01:56:16 AM
1 votes:
I see the normal FARK hate for anyone successful is alive.

The reason you can't send your kid to a high-dollar school is because you are a LOSER. You are stupid and/or lazy, most likely both. Just because you will never, ever do anything significant in your whole life is no reason to relish the death of another persons kid. FARK all of you.
2013-05-10 01:54:58 AM
1 votes:

HotWingAgenda: Why would the hospital notify the school of the death before his next of kin?


I'd imagine they didn't just say "ok, cool, get back to us whenever" after he was taken to hospital, and there were probably teachers or even students anxiously trying to see how he was. Calling frequently, or even waiting at the hospital to see how he was. If you want to blame anyone, blame the hospital for telling any of them before the parents.
2013-05-10 01:50:25 AM
1 votes:
Appropriate video clip for this thread

/Make sure next of kin have been notified.
//The instant information age started long before now, and we figured it out
2013-05-09 11:52:27 PM
1 votes:
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