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2013-05-10 09:04:59 AM
Fark: Different article has the mother wonder while school officials weren't helping kids cross the road. Decedant in question was 13 years old.Ultra Fark: road going directly by school allowed vehicles to drive at 60 mph. In Canada, we have school zones where cars crawl at 40 km/h

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2321924/Devastated-father-so n- William-Avery-Wright-died-Worth-School-website.html?ico=home
 
2013-05-10 09:06:21 AM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: AMC Presents: The Awkward Dead.


WHERE'S CARL!!!!
 
2013-05-10 09:08:27 AM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: INeedAName:
As someone who works for a boarding school, I would have every medically useful bit of info in my hands before the paramedics arrived. And while I do have the primary responsibility while students are in our care, that in no way diminishes HIPAA which would preclude me from disseminating medical information to anyone other than the student, family, and medical persons.

What the head of school did was completely beyond the bounds of what would be acceptable in the US. But this was in the UK and while I find it to have been a terrible decision, I dont know if there are laws or regulations to which anyone was bound.

I'm not actually sure the school would be considered a "covered entity" under the privacy requirements of HIPAA, and even the school played it safe and did consider itself a covered entity, nothing prevents anyone else who witnessed a death from disclosing it publicly.  However, any school in the U.S. that posted an announcement about the death like that without the family's permission would probably get sued for emotional harm and probably privacy violation under the laws that apply to students - I don't think FERPA applies to medical info, but some other law probably does.
   I'm also curious to know what laws the UK has regarding this sort of situation.  In any case, they should have at least waited for the parents to give the ok to releae the info out of sympathy if nothing else.


Okay, what I don't get is why does any of this crap matters?  The kid died, mom knew, dad took his sweet time getting to the hospital and now the school is to blame for people calling him to offer condolences.  So what, that he found out that way.  Getting that kind of news will suck no matter how or who tells you, atleast those that broke the news were sympathetic.  I am sure he was also upset about not getting a chance to talk to the kid one last time, however that was just not to be.  The doc didn't say 'well dad isn't going to get here in time so lets just shoot the kid now and save time'.  If the dad wants to be pissed about not being close enough to his son, fine be pissed at himself.  Quite frankly, if he couldn't tell there was much more to it by his wife's behavior, then he is a well disconnected man.  I am sure the school figured with the mom knowing that dad would know as well.  He was informed by bad timing, not bad taste.  Now finding out by a joke being told about his kid being dead, then he would have a complaint.
 
2013-05-10 09:12:26 AM

doglover: The whole doctor pronouncing you dead thing, that has to go in garbage.


The whole false expert thing is a huge human problem.  People often forget that truth is absolute and outside of our ability grasp or identify which bit is true.  We have legal frameworks so we can label something as true or not true, according to the legal system, so that we can at least try and deal with the idea that sometimes we don't know.  However, it's lead to a culture where people honestly seem to believe something they know to be true can't be accepted as true until it's formally recognized by some governing authority.  You also see a lot of it when people refuse to admit when they know someone's guilty, because they can't seem to understand that legal guilt must be determined by judges and juries because non-witnesses need a framework to know which witnesses to trust.  That's certainly not always necessary if guilt isn't a matter of confusion.  It's necessary for the legal system to act, but not for individuals.
 
2013-05-10 09:16:11 AM
Spoilers, Sweetie.
 
2013-05-10 09:16:29 AM
FT Express Article -  William was a day boy at Worth School

This seems like a really gay expression NTTIAWWT
 
2013-05-10 09:18:17 AM

PsychoLaurie: This.

/Found out my Uncle Pat died via Facebook. Uncle Pat lived four miles away from me in Waikiki. I found out from my cousin who lives in Virginia. I was pissed. My cousin's dad (my Uncle John) was pissed because he thought I was the first to learn of Uncle Pat dying, but I wasn't. So stupid.
//My Grandma is currently comatose and shuffling off the mortal coil. I told my parents to tell me when she dies before anyone posts it on Facebook. I can't take finding out that way about my beloved Grandma Bear.


You are mad because you weren't the first to know about the death?  Why?  What does it matter?  If you knew first what would that have changed?  Did you want all the attention and the ability to post of FB that he died?   I don't understand any reason why it would matter.
 
2013-05-10 09:18:57 AM

octopied: As for the "We trusted them to look after him", he was hit crossing the street....freak accident, could have happened anywhere...the school isn't going top handhold all the kids across the street...


To be fair, he was crossing to get to the school's sports ground, during school time.
 
2013-05-10 09:21:44 AM

Mr Guy: doglover: The whole doctor pronouncing you dead thing, that has to go in garbage.

The whole false expert thing is a huge human problem.  People often forget that truth is absolute and outside of our ability grasp or identify which bit is true.  We have legal frameworks so we can label something as true or not true, according to the legal system, so that we can at least try and deal with the idea that sometimes we don't know.  However, it's lead to a culture where people honestly seem to believe something they know to be true can't be accepted as true until it's formally recognized by some governing authority.  You also see a lot of it when people refuse to admit when they know someone's guilty, because they can't seem to understand that legal guilt must be determined by judges and juries because non-witnesses need a framework to know which witnesses to trust.  That's certainly not always necessary if guilt isn't a matter of confusion.  It's necessary for the legal system to act, but not for individuals.


Grieving people tend to not want to grasp reality, telling them their love one is dead is going to fall on deaf ears, unless someone who is an expert tells them, then it can begin to sink in.
 
2013-05-10 09:22:53 AM

octopied: Fark: Different article has the mother wonder while school officials weren't helping kids cross the road. Decedant in question was 13 years old.Ultra Fark: road going directly by school allowed vehicles to drive at 60 mph. In Canada, we have school zones where cars crawl at 40 km/h

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2321924/Devastated-father-so n- William-Avery-Wright-died-Worth-School-website.html?ico=home


Years ago a kid got ran over by a large suv, crossing the road to catch a bus right in front of the mom.  It was on a 55mph road and of course cars are to stop for all school buses picking up kids.  Idk if the UK is different, but it is law that all buses turn on the red lights and have a stop sign pop out on the left side.  A lot of people called for the suv driver to be arrested and thrown in jail, however the kid was at fault.  The bus was still approaching, and did not have the yellow lights flashing warning traffic that it was coming to a stop.  The kid just bolted across the road in front of a large vehicle going 52mph (per investigation).  As terrible as it is, mom is to blame in this story.  The parents are most likely in anger stage.

Here the restricted speed zones are usually during certain times for drop off and pick up.  Not middle of the day when a small group of kids may be taken across the roads for whatever reason.  We had done this a few times when I was in school and we assumed the normal traffic laws and crossed safely.
 
2013-05-10 09:23:59 AM

The Envoy: octopied: As for the "We trusted them to look after him", he was hit crossing the street....freak accident, could have happened anywhere...the school isn't going top handhold all the kids across the street...

To be fair, he was crossing to get to the school's sports ground, during school time.


To be fair, what does that matter... Is the school supposed to hire people to hold every kids hand? Even still if they did, what would that have changed, the driver would have ran them both over.
 
2013-05-10 09:47:00 AM
CSB time (well, not so cool for the family involved):

The father of a friend of my wife's family (I'll call her Iulia) recently died in Eastern Europe. The grandson of the old man (Iulia's nephew), who still lives in Eastern Europe, decided that it would be most expedient to make the announcement of the death and the funeral plans via Facebook, rather than depend on telephone or e-mail tag. As far as he knew everybody in the family had FB accounts, and would be sure to receive the news either in their own feed or those of other relatives.

Nobody had bothered to inform him that Aunt Iulia, who'd moved to Canada years before and whose daughter was not close to her cousins in the old country, was not on Facebook.

Not only did she miss the funeral, but Iulia only learned of her father's death when an irate relative finally reached her by telephone and demanded to know why she'd couldn't have been bothered to bury her poor father.

Iulia has Facebook now.
 
2013-05-10 09:48:39 AM

thaylin: The Envoy: octopied: As for the "We trusted them to look after him", he was hit crossing the street....freak accident, could have happened anywhere...the school isn't going top handhold all the kids across the street...

To be fair, he was crossing to get to the school's sports ground, during school time.

To be fair, what does that matter... Is the school supposed to hire people to hold every kids hand? Even still if they did, what would that have changed, the driver would have ran them both over.


Or, and I hope this extra scenario doesn't tax you too much, the teacher could have stopped the kid trying to cross at all.  That's not the point though.  The point, which I'll assume you missed based on your ridiculously moronic and simplistic prediction of events had a teacher been present, is that during school hours, on school grounds, during school activities, a school has a duty of care to its students.  That's not opinion, that's a fact under UK law.  Whether or not the school fulfilled that duty is another matter and is for a court to decide.
 
2013-05-10 09:56:34 AM

The Envoy: thaylin: The Envoy: octopied: As for the "We trusted them to look after him", he was hit crossing the street....freak accident, could have happened anywhere...the school isn't going top handhold all the kids across the street...

To be fair, he was crossing to get to the school's sports ground, during school time.

To be fair, what does that matter... Is the school supposed to hire people to hold every kids hand? Even still if they did, what would that have changed, the driver would have ran them both over.

Or, and I hope this extra scenario doesn't tax you too much, the teacher could have stopped the kid trying to cross at all.  That's not the point though.  The point, which I'll assume you missed based on your ridiculously moronic and simplistic prediction of events had a teacher been present, is that during school hours, on school grounds, during school activities, a school has a duty of care to its students.  That's not opinion, that's a fact under UK law.  Whether or not the school fulfilled that duty is another matter and is for a court to decide.



I assume you were never a kid, or even an intelligent adult, otherwise I would have to assume you would know that 1 teacher cannot possibly prevent everyone from doing what they want especially during.a recess. I do like how you assume there was a teacher within arms reach to stop the kid. Even at 6'3 I only have so far I can reach when it comes to trying to stop a herd of children.
 
2013-05-10 10:13:00 AM

jpschwan: /give it a few damn hours, geez...


What's that going to do?
 
2013-05-10 10:20:10 AM
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/Just me?
//Really?
 
2013-05-10 10:43:32 AM

thaylin: I assume you were never a kid, or even an intelligent adult, otherwise I would have to assume you would know that 1 teacher cannot possibly prevent everyone from doing what they want especially during.a recess. I do like how you assume there was a teacher within arms reach to stop the kid. Even at 6'3 I only have so far I can reach when it comes to trying to stop a herd of children.


Wow.  Are you on medication?  Should you be?  There's so much wrong with your post and the inferences that you've drawn that I'm almost at a loss for words.  Almost.

How have you concluded that this was a recess?  In my experience, when children go to rugby pitches, as this one was, they are going to play or practice.  Further, when they're in a class group (you'll notice that the claim is that he and his classmates should have been supervised) the more logical inference is that it's an organised activity such as practice or possibly a PE lesson.  If it was recess it wouldn't be restricted by class, would it?  I am very interested as to where your incorrect notion of this being "recess" came from.

Moving on, I haven't assumed that there was a teacher within arms reach.  Again, I'd be very interested for you to point out where I have even hinted at that assumption because at the moment the only way I can see you coming to that conclusion is down to a moderate/severe lack of reading comprehension.  Now, you'll probably go back and quote this:

The Envoy: Or, and I hope this extra scenario doesn't tax you too much, the teacher could have stopped the kid trying to cross at all.

  Unfortunately for you, that "extra scenario" is predicated solely upon, and is in response to, your preceding post about the school hiring people to look after everyone and the moronic contention that, had that happened, the assigned carer would also have been run over: 

thaylin: Is the school supposed to hire people to hold every kids hand? Even still if they did, what would that have changed, the driver would have ran them both over.


As for trying to stop a "herd" of children (the obvious conclusion is that this isn't the case, but I'll humour you) - teachers do it all the time.  My condolences that you appear to have been educated in a zoo but I would wager that one could go in to any major museum right now and see herds of children being controlled by a small number of teachers.  What's more that control is not attained by constant physical contact.

These are not difficult concepts.  I have simply read the article and applied some critical thinking.  You appear to have read the article and had some form of stroke or aneurysm.
 
2013-05-10 11:05:07 AM
Completely irrelevant to any on-going arguements but the road that Worth School is on is a nightmare for speeding vehicles. The speed limit for the stretch of road by the school is signposted for 40mph but most vehicles whizz done there at 60. The road is fairly busy too as it is favoured shortcut/'avoid the A roads' type of road and this sort of thing has happened before.

You'd have thought a light-controled pedestrian crossing would be installed but there is no crossing there at all.
 
2013-05-10 11:14:08 AM

I'm no expert but...: Completely irrelevant to any on-going arguements but the road that Worth School is on is a nightmare for speeding vehicles. The speed limit for the stretch of road by the school is signposted for 40mph but most vehicles whizz done there at 60. The road is fairly busy too as it is favoured shortcut/'avoid the A roads' type of road and this sort of thing has happened before.

You'd have thought a light-controled pedestrian crossing would be installed but there is no crossing there at all.


Or even a footbridge, it's not that wide a road.  It's expensive, but not as expensive as having students killed.  It is quite open though, how did he not see a Range Rover coming?
 
2013-05-10 11:19:01 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: RexTalionis:

Heh. I just watched that again last night.


Hey, I just read this post!
 
2013-05-10 11:44:40 AM

The Envoy: I'm no expert but...: Completely irrelevant to any on-going arguements but the road that Worth School is on is a nightmare for speeding vehicles. The speed limit for the stretch of road by the school is signposted for 40mph but most vehicles whizz done there at 60. The road is fairly busy too as it is favoured shortcut/'avoid the A roads' type of road and this sort of thing has happened before.

You'd have thought a light-controled pedestrian crossing would be installed but there is no crossing there at all.

Or even a footbridge, it's not that wide a road.  It's expensive, but not as expensive as having students killed.  It is quite open though, how did he not see a Range Rover coming?


Knowing Range Rovers drivers, it was probably pedal to the metal so the kid see a dot in the distance figures it is ok to cross gets halfway and bammo....
 
2013-05-10 11:44:51 AM

The Envoy: Again, I'd be very interested for you to point out where I have even hinted at that assumption because at the moment the only way I can see you coming to that conclusion is down to a moderate/severe lack of reading comprehension.  Now, you'll probably go back and quote this: The Envoy: Or, and I hope this extra scenario doesn't tax you too much, the teacher could have stopped the kid trying to cross at all.  Unfortunately for you, that "extra scenario" is predicated solely upon, and is in response to, your preceding post about the...


Holy cow someone doth protest too much.  Was the road and long and winding as your writing style?
 
2013-05-10 11:46:15 AM

doglover: I don't think that's such a problem. They were already aware their son was in the hospital greviously hurt and they were en route. It's not like the school didn't contact them ASAP. And quite frankly, if you send your kids to boarding school, they're out of your family for the time and part of that organization. That organization has an obligation to its members when something happens to one.

Tragedy, but compared to the Syria situation and stuff like that it's a non-issue.


Picking kind of a low bar there, aren't you?
 
2013-05-10 11:59:34 AM

trappedspirit: The Envoy: Again, I'd be very interested for you to point out where I have even hinted at that assumption because at the moment the only way I can see you coming to that conclusion is down to a moderate/severe lack of reading comprehension.  Now, you'll probably go back and quote this: The Envoy: Or, and I hope this extra scenario doesn't tax you too much, the teacher could have stopped the kid trying to cross at all.  Unfortunately for you, that "extra scenario" is predicated solely upon, and is in response to, your preceding post about the...

Holy cow someone doth protest too much.  Was the road and long and winding as your writing style?


Too many syllables for you?  *pat pat*.
 
2013-05-10 12:08:56 PM

The Envoy: trappedspirit: The Envoy: Again, I'd be very interested for you to point out where I have even hinted at that assumption because at the moment the only way I can see you coming to that conclusion is down to a moderate/severe lack of reading comprehension.  Now, you'll probably go back and quote this: The Envoy: Or, and I hope this extra scenario doesn't tax you too much, the teacher could have stopped the kid trying to cross at all.  Unfortunately for you, that "extra scenario" is predicated solely upon, and is in response to, your preceding post about the...

Holy cow someone doth protest too much.  Was the road and long and winding as your writing style?

Too many syllables for you?  *pat pat*.


Ok, so your writing sucks and your reading comprehension is broke.  Anything else you want to throw on the fail pyre?
 
2013-05-10 12:12:07 PM

jpschwan: manwithplanx: Welcome to the Information Age. If it wasn't the school then it would've been someone on Twitter or Facebook.

As someone who found out through Facebook posts that their grandfather had passed away, I must concur.

Nothing like randomly surfing on Facebook only to start seeing all your cousins start posting "RIP Grandpa" all over the place.

/give it a few damn hours, geez...



And having the aunt you hate call up weeks later "BTW, Grandma died and the family had a private service at the house, thought you should know". Yeah, fark you too. The obit online gave more info after the fact than you did.
 
2013-05-10 12:36:06 PM

RexTalionis: [media.tumblr.com image 500x375]


More head masters like him the fewer juvenile delinquents we would have on the streets.
 
2013-05-10 01:08:18 PM
He should have said "spoiler alert". That way people know not to read any further or tell other people the ending.
 
2013-05-10 01:55:24 PM

doglover: I don't think that's such a problem. They were already aware their son was in the hospital greviously hurt and they were en route. It's not like the school didn't contact them ASAP. And quite frankly, if you send your kids to boarding school, they're out of your family for the time and part of that organization. That organization has an obligation to its members when something happens to one.

Tragedy, but compared to the Syria situation and stuff like that it's a non-issue.


I agree that it's not as bad as the Syria situation, but the closest parallel I can think of is death in the military, where there are STRONG rules about notifying the family in the event of a service member's death.  The rules are quite simple:
1.  NO public release before the family is notified.
2.  The Family will be notified in PERSON, by an officer accompanied with a Chaplain.  If possible, by the member's commander, if not I believe they want at least a Colonel(O-6) to be doing it.

As such, the 'proper' procedure would have been to meet the parents at the hospital to let them know, THEN release to the rest of the school/website/whatever.

Barricaded Gunman: FTFA: The notice was signed by the school's headmaster, Gino Carminati, who expressed his great disdain in making the tragic announcement.

Huh?


I figure it's a difference between UK English and American English.  I assumed that it meant that it was an announcement that the headmaster really, really didn't like doing, but did so out of duty.

The Envoy: Or even a footbridge, it's not that wide a road. It's expensive, but not as expensive as having students killed. It is quite open though, how did he not see a Range Rover coming?


He probably completely failed to look for vehicles?  Though at 13 the habit should be there.
 
JW
2013-05-10 03:35:59 PM

Mattyb710: JW: thaylin: Barricaded Gunman: FTFA: The notice was signed by the school's headmaster, Gino Carminati, who expressed his great disdain in making the tragic announcement.

Huh?

He does not like making those sort of announcements, who would.

Words have meaning:

disdain:The feeling that someone or something is unworthy of one's consideration or respect; contempt.

Not really sure what you are trying to prove, but I think we all know what disdain means.


Seemed to me thaylin did not.  Disdain doesn't make sense in this context.  Dismay would.  Making the announcement is not unworthy of his consideration.
 
2013-05-10 04:21:21 PM
Sounds to me like he's pissed he didn't get to say 'FIRST!'.

He sent his boy away because he couldn't be bothered.

Just go home and cry ya' jackhole.  Maybe eventually some good will come of it..
 
2013-05-10 05:04:25 PM

Silly_Sot: fusillade762: RELIGION

religion/christianity/catholicism

Wat?

The website is a leftist outlet


*citation needed*
 
2013-05-11 03:52:34 AM

trappedspirit: The Envoy: trappedspirit: The Envoy: Again, I'd be very interested for you to point out where I have even hinted at that assumption because at the moment the only way I can see you coming to that conclusion is down to a moderate/severe lack of reading comprehension.  Now, you'll probably go back and quote this: The Envoy: Or, and I hope this extra scenario doesn't tax you too much, the teacher could have stopped the kid trying to cross at all.  Unfortunately for you, that "extra scenario" is predicated solely upon, and is in response to, your preceding post about the...

Holy cow someone doth protest too much.  Was the road and long and winding as your writing style?

Too many syllables for you?  *pat pat*.

Ok, so your writing sucks and your reading comprehension is broke.  Anything else you want to throw on the fail pyre?


Favourited!  "Requires remedial English, salve for arse".
 
2013-05-11 03:56:20 AM

Amy Winehouse's Ghost: He sent his boy away because he couldn't be bothered.


Yes, he sent his son to an excellent school every day and worked to pay for it.  Truly, this man is a hideously callous beast who should be hanged for his negligent parenting style.

Or, he's like hundreds of millions of fathers around the world whose children go to school every day?  You'll notice, unless your reading skills are on a par with thaylin and trappedspirit, that he attended the school as a day pupil.
 
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