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2013-05-09 11:52:27 PM
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2013-05-09 11:53:48 PM
 
2013-05-10 12:05:30 AM

RexTalionis:


Heh. I just watched that again last night.
 
2013-05-10 12:15:09 AM
I don't think that's such a problem. They were already aware their son was in the hospital greviously hurt and they were en route. It's not like the school didn't contact them ASAP. And quite frankly, if you send your kids to boarding school, they're out of your family for the time and part of that organization. That organization has an obligation to its members when something happens to one.

Tragedy, but compared to the Syria situation and stuff like that it's a non-issue.
 
2013-05-10 01:08:15 AM
Welcome to the Information Age. If it wasn't the school then it would've been someone on Twitter or Facebook.
 
2013-05-10 01:21:58 AM
RELIGION

religion/christianity/catholicism


Wat?
 
2013-05-10 01:22:41 AM
Oops! Wellllll.... This isn't awkward or anything.
 
2013-05-10 01:23:34 AM

doglover: Tragedy, but compared to the Syria

BENGHAZI!!! situation and stuff like that it's a non-issue.
 
2013-05-10 01:24:48 AM

doglover: I don't think that's such a problem. They were already aware their son was in the hospital greviously hurt and they were en route. It's not like the school didn't contact them ASAP. And quite frankly, if you send your kids to boarding school, they're out of your family for the time and part of that organization. That organization has an obligation to its members when something happens to one.

Tragedy, but compared to the Syria situation and stuff like that it's a non-issue.


Yeah, mostly this. Welcome to the age where instantaneous communication is now possible. Yes, it was very sad that someone at the school jumped the gun; but would the parents be "suing the school" if one of the kid's classmates had found out and posted it on his Facebook first without the school's knowledge? Or would they now be suing the doctor for daring to pronounce the boy dead before the parents could get there first?

I now foresee a whole new era of people being kept alive on breathing machines so this doesn't happen--"Yes, your son died 14 hours ago, but we didn't dare pronounce in case you felt like suing us because his friends wanted to tell you how sorry they were ahead of your official grief?"
 
2013-05-10 01:28:22 AM
Sounds like the plot of a movie
 
2013-05-10 01:34:06 AM
30k a year for tuition and the school couldn't be troubled to work in "look both ways before crossing the road" into their curriculum? I'd be pretty litigious if I were paying that kind of money and I hadn't taught my kids the basic rules of crossing the road before preschool.
 
2013-05-10 01:35:54 AM

manwithplanx: Welcome to the Information Age. If it wasn't the school then it would've been someone on Twitter or Facebook.


As someone who found out through Facebook posts that their grandfather had passed away, I must concur.

Nothing like randomly surfing on Facebook only to start seeing all your cousins start posting "RIP Grandpa" all over the place.

/give it a few damn hours, geez...
 
2013-05-10 01:36:55 AM
Oh no, so sorry the school officials you shipped your kid to since you couldn't be bothered to raise him yourself found out he died before you did.

At least he was hit by a Range Rover and not a Hyundai or a Kia. How horrible would that have been? You'd never be able to show your face at the country club after that.
 
2013-05-10 01:37:15 AM
Schooools out for the summer! Schooools out for-ever!
 
2013-05-10 01:37:32 AM

Gyrfalcon: doglover: I don't think that's such a problem. They were already aware their son was in the hospital greviously hurt and they were en route. It's not like the school didn't contact them ASAP. And quite frankly, if you send your kids to boarding school, they're out of your family for the time and part of that organization. That organization has an obligation to its members when something happens to one.

Tragedy, but compared to the Syria situation and stuff like that it's a non-issue.

Yeah, mostly this. Welcome to the age where instantaneous communication is now possible. Yes, it was very sad that someone at the school jumped the gun; but would the parents be "suing the school" if one of the kid's classmates had found out and posted it on his Facebook first without the school's knowledge? Or would they now be suing the doctor for daring to pronounce the boy dead before the parents could get there first?

I now foresee a whole new era of people being kept alive on breathing machines so this doesn't happen--"Yes, your son died 14 hours ago, but we didn't dare pronounce in case you felt like suing us because his friends wanted to tell you how sorry they were ahead of your official grief?"


You're both making ridiculous assertions to cast the family as looney. The head of the school decided to post about the death of a student without getting the family's permission. While I'm not sure if the school deserve to be sued, or if he deserves to lose his job over it, it's a colossally bone headed move which understandably has left the family very upset.

The head of school is a moron.
 
2013-05-10 01:38:25 AM
Why would the hospital notify the school of the death before his next of kin?  That strikes me as a bizarre violation of privacy, unless he actually died on the spot in front of everybody before the medics could scrape him off the pavement.
 
2013-05-10 01:39:20 AM

Gyrfalcon: Yeah, mostly this. Welcome to the age where instantaneous communication is now possible. Yes, it was very sad that someone at the school jumped the gun; but would the parents be "suing the school" if one of the kid's classmates had found out and posted it on his Facebook first without the school's knowledge? Or would they now be suing the doctor for daring to pronounce the boy dead before the parents could get there first?


It wasn't "someone".  It was the Principal of the school.  Someone is a position of leadership and is responsible for other people's children.  Making sure the parents are notified and (more importantly) understanding their wishes is leadership 101.  He showed an incredible lack of common sense.  One wonders what other bad decisions he is making on a daily basis if he can't even handle this basic scenario.

He should be terminated immediately.   For cause.
 
2013-05-10 01:50:17 AM

gingerjet: Gyrfalcon: Yeah, mostly this. Welcome to the age where instantaneous communication is now possible. Yes, it was very sad that someone at the school jumped the gun; but would the parents be "suing the school" if one of the kid's classmates had found out and posted it on his Facebook first without the school's knowledge? Or would they now be suing the doctor for daring to pronounce the boy dead before the parents could get there first?

It wasn't "someone".  It was the Principal of the school.  Someone is a position of leadership and is responsible for other people's children.  Making sure the parents are notified and (more importantly) understanding their wishes is leadership 101.  He showed an incredible lack of common sense.  One wonders what other bad decisions he is making on a daily basis if he can't even handle this basic scenario.

He should be terminated immediately.   For cause.


Well, no argument there; my point was only that it's just as likely one of the kid's classmates could have found out and texted the parents "So sory to hear about Jrs death he waz reely cool". And it's not really a basic scenario--it's likely never happened before. Does it happen a lot where you live, that kids die at boarding school, and the principal has to decide whether to let the students' friends (who are probably very close to him, at least as close as the parents he hasn't seen for six months) know as soon as possible?

Bear in mind that at a BOARDING SCHOOL, the kids are family too, and likely as traumatized as the parents, especially when one of their number gets run over by a car. Probably the principal had been besieged by dozens of Jr's friends "Is he okay? Did he die? When can we find out?" Now, I'll admit that dummy principal should have posted "We will notify you as soon as his parents arrive," but you can see where he/she was coming from.
 
2013-05-10 01:50:25 AM
Appropriate video clip for this thread

/Make sure next of kin have been notified.
//The instant information age started long before now, and we figured it out
 
2013-05-10 01:51:34 AM
I don't care if this is "the information age". There are certain protocols, etiquettes, professional behaviors.. whatever you want to call it... that the school majorly screwed up with. If one of the kid's friends was there and tweeted about it or put it on Facebook, fine. But for the school to make a official public announcement without having even spoken to the parents is beyond irresponsible.

Not saying the school should have to do any kind of settlement, but people have been rightly fired for less.
 
2013-05-10 01:52:02 AM
"Hey! Teachers!
Leave dead kids alone
All in All you should just
Notify next of Kin"
 
2013-05-10 01:54:58 AM

HotWingAgenda: Why would the hospital notify the school of the death before his next of kin?


I'd imagine they didn't just say "ok, cool, get back to us whenever" after he was taken to hospital, and there were probably teachers or even students anxiously trying to see how he was. Calling frequently, or even waiting at the hospital to see how he was. If you want to blame anyone, blame the hospital for telling any of them before the parents.
 
2013-05-10 01:55:05 AM

fusillade762: doglover: Tragedy, but compared to the Syria BENGHAZI!!! situation and stuff like that it's a non-issue.

Tragedy, but compared to the  Syria

BENGHAZI!!  girls locked in that basement situation and stuff like that it's a non-issue.
 
2013-05-10 01:55:36 AM
bah, nevermind. sleep tiem.
 
2013-05-10 01:56:16 AM
I see the normal FARK hate for anyone successful is alive.

The reason you can't send your kid to a high-dollar school is because you are a LOSER. You are stupid and/or lazy, most likely both. Just because you will never, ever do anything significant in your whole life is no reason to relish the death of another persons kid. FARK all of you.
 
2013-05-10 01:56:43 AM

doglover: Tragedy, but compared to the Syria situation and stuff like that it's a non-issue.


I'm having more heart surgery in the next few months. But compared to the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor and stuff like that it's a non-issue.

(you see how maybe you're making slightly unfair comparisons?)
 
2013-05-10 01:56:50 AM

HotWingAgenda: Why would the hospital notify the school of the death before his next of kin?  That strikes me as a bizarre violation of privacy, unless he actually died on the spot in front of everybody before the medics could scrape him off the pavement.


This.

/Found out my Uncle Pat died via Facebook. Uncle Pat lived four miles away from me in Waikiki. I found out from my cousin who lives in Virginia. I was pissed. My cousin's dad (my Uncle John) was pissed because he thought I was the first to learn of Uncle Pat dying, but I wasn't. So stupid.
//My Grandma is currently comatose and shuffling off the mortal coil. I told my parents to tell me when she dies before anyone posts it on Facebook. I can't take finding out that way about my beloved Grandma Bear.
 
2013-05-10 01:56:53 AM
Thanks Obama.
 
2013-05-10 01:57:32 AM
I am pretty sure the proper etiquette for cases like this is a singing telegram.
 
2013-05-10 01:59:18 AM
Awwww shiat!   I'd be gutted if I was his parent. Just fark.
 
2013-05-10 02:02:00 AM

99.998er: I am pretty sure the proper etiquette for cases like this is a singing telegram.


Land Shark.
 
2013-05-10 02:02:51 AM
Hey now, updating deth status dont come ezy.
 
2013-05-10 02:07:54 AM
HIPPA of course does not exist in England, so while such a disclosure would be illegal in the US, it may not be there.  Without knowing how long the drive was for the parents I'm hard pressed to decide if it was "too soon" for the school to put up such a notice.  The time between when the parents were first notified to when the school posted the notice may have been hours.  Plus, if the school was already being contacted by the parents of other students (which may well have been the case) then I can see the desire to get out in front of the situation.
 
2013-05-10 02:09:59 AM
DId I ever tell you all about the time I was locked in a sauna for 72 hours with a Portugese man-o-war, Jimmy Carer, and Wilfred Brimley? Well then...
 
2013-05-10 02:10:57 AM

PsychoLaurie: HotWingAgenda: Why would the hospital notify the school of the death before his next of kin?  That strikes me as a bizarre violation of privacy, unless he actually died on the spot in front of everybody before the medics could scrape him off the pavement.

This.

/Found out my Uncle Pat died via Facebook. Uncle Pat lived four miles away from me in Waikiki. I found out from my cousin who lives in Virginia. I was pissed. My cousin's dad (my Uncle John) was pissed because he thought I was the first to learn of Uncle Pat dying, but I wasn't. So stupid.
//My Grandma is currently comatose and shuffling off the mortal coil. I told my parents to tell me when she dies before anyone posts it on Facebook. I can't take finding out that way about my beloved Grandma Bear.


Sorry toots, that's just part of being alive in the information age. My great great great great grandfather tweeted his last words: "et tu, @Brute"
 
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2013-05-10 02:11:01 AM

99.998er: I am pretty sure the proper etiquette for cases like this is a singing telegram.


Like a barber shop quintet singing "You've got the AIDS"!
 
2013-05-10 02:16:50 AM
FTA : On their way, the Wrights began to experience an onslaught of phone calls gushing with unexpected condolences.

I know that when an acquaintance of mine suddenly has a dead kid, I too, like to jump into their tragedy as quickly as possible.
 
2013-05-10 02:19:20 AM

Bender The Offender: 30k a year for tuition and the school couldn't be troubled to work in "look both ways before crossing the road" into their curriculum? I'd be pretty litigious if I were paying that kind of money and I hadn't taught my kids the basic rules of crossing the road before preschool.


PsychoLaurie: HotWingAgenda: Why would the hospital notify the school of the death before his next of kin?  That strikes me as a bizarre violation of privacy, unless he actually died on the spot in front of everybody before the medics could scrape him off the pavement.

This.


Is "this" slang for "derp"?

Because they found out about the school first (people don't have their parent's info tattooed on their body) and the school should have had the "emergency contact" information.
 
2013-05-10 02:20:26 AM
Sorry, Bender The Offender, your quote shouldn't have been in there.
 
2013-05-10 02:21:07 AM

Shenanigans!: Oh no, so sorry the school officials you shipped your kid to since you couldn't be bothered to raise him yourself found out he died before you did.

At least he was hit by a Range Rover and not a Hyundai or a Kia. How horrible would that have been? You'd never be able to show your face at the country club after that.


That's some world-class snark right there. I wish I'D said it ...
 
2013-05-10 02:26:16 AM

impaler: Bender The Offender: 30k a year for tuition and the school couldn't be troubled to work in "look both ways before crossing the road" into their curriculum? I'd be pretty litigious if I were paying that kind of money and I hadn't taught my kids the basic rules of crossing the road before preschool.

PsychoLaurie: HotWingAgenda: Why would the hospital notify the school of the death before his next of kin?  That strikes me as a bizarre violation of privacy, unless he actually died on the spot in front of everybody before the medics could scrape him off the pavement.

This.


Is "this" slang for "derp"?

Because they found out about the school first (people don't have their parent's info tattooed on their body) and the school should have had the "emergency contact" information.


I know nothing about English medical privacy, but in the US, doctors can't go around pronouncing medical diagnosis to whoever the f*ck calls to ask about a minor patient. Unless Mr. Whoeverthef*ck strolls in with a medical power of attorney or something.
 
2013-05-10 02:29:06 AM
RIP Robin Wright.
 
2013-05-10 02:31:05 AM

Gyrfalcon: gingerjet: Gyrfalcon: Yeah, mostly this. Welcome to the age where instantaneous communication is now possible. Yes, it was very sad that someone at the school jumped the gun; but would the parents be "suing the school" if one of the kid's classmates had found out and posted it on his Facebook first without the school's knowledge? Or would they now be suing the doctor for daring to pronounce the boy dead before the parents could get there first?

It wasn't "someone".  It was the Principal of the school.  Someone is a position of leadership and is responsible for other people's children.  Making sure the parents are notified and (more importantly) understanding their wishes is leadership 101.  He showed an incredible lack of common sense.  One wonders what other bad decisions he is making on a daily basis if he can't even handle this basic scenario.

He should be terminated immediately.   For cause.

Well, no argument there; my point was only that it's just as likely one of the kid's classmates could have found out and texted the parents "So sory to hear about Jrs death he waz reely cool". And it's not really a basic scenario--it's likely never happened before. Does it happen a lot where you live, that kids die at boarding school, and the principal has to decide whether to let the students' friends (who are probably very close to him, at least as close as the parents he hasn't seen for six months) know as soon as possible?

Bear in mind that at a BOARDING SCHOOL, the kids are family too, and likely as traumatized as the parents, especially when one of their number gets run over by a car. Probably the principal had been besieged by dozens of Jr's friends "Is he okay? Did he die? When can we find out?" Now, I'll admit that dummy principal should have posted "We will notify you as soon as his parents arrive," but you can see where he/she was coming from.


And how would anyone find our he had died? The doctors would, I presume, only inform the person in loco parentis, ie the head of the school or the teacher attending hospital with the injured boy. No reason anyone else could or would find out unless the school passes on the information.
 
2013-05-10 02:31:49 AM
AMC Presents: The Awkward Dead.
 
2013-05-10 02:33:00 AM
This thread was nailed in the first two posts!
 
2013-05-10 02:33:15 AM
We need to ressurect Don McLean to teach the youth. J/k How about a Grace Slick and Jimmy Carter doo-wap duo?
/forgive me for I have sinned
 
2013-05-10 02:33:34 AM

HotWingAgenda: Why would the hospital notify the school of the death before his next of kin?  That strikes me as a bizarre violation of privacy, unless he actually died on the spot in front of everybody before the medics could scrape him off the pavement.


Because he was at boarding school and the school has legal responsibility for him and the hospitalonly have the school's contact details and it should be for the school to notify the parents?
 
2013-05-10 02:36:19 AM

Mr. Eugenides: HIPPA of course does not exist in England, so while such a disclosure would be illegal in the US, it may not be there.  Without knowing how long the drive was for the parents I'm hard pressed to decide if it was "too soon" for the school to put up such a notice.  The time between when the parents were first notified to when the school posted the notice may have been hours.  Plus, if the school was already being contacted by the parents of other students (which may well have been the case) then I can see the desire to get out in front of the situation.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/398316/Devastated-father-learns-of- so n-s-death-after-elite-boarding-school-posts-news-on-web

The mother knew before she arrived at the hospital.  The police escorting her told her not to call her husband. The school has already accepted liability.  This is much ado about lawsuits, however much the parents claim they aren't seeking to profit from the death of their son.

I hope they'll donate all proceeds to a scholarship fund so that other boys can afford a £30,000/$46000/ year day school.
 
2013-05-10 02:41:39 AM

HotWingAgenda: I know nothing about English medical privacy, but in the US, doctors can't go around pronouncing medical diagnosis to whoever the f*ck calls to ask about a minor patient.


What if that "whoever" is the loco parentis?
 
2013-05-10 02:43:47 AM

RexTalionis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZMoB6ms2mE


Bwahaha.  Just watched this for the first time.  You nailed it.
 
2013-05-10 02:45:01 AM

Pert: HotWingAgenda: Why would the hospital notify the school of the death before his next of kin?  That strikes me as a bizarre violation of privacy, unless he actually died on the spot in front of everybody before the medics could scrape him off the pavement.

Because he was at boarding school and the school has legal responsibility for him and the hospitalonly have the school's contact details and it should be for the school to notify the parents?


He was at day school.  I don't know how this changes anything.
 
2013-05-10 02:46:48 AM

ElizaDoolittle: He was at day school. I don't know how this changes anything.


loco parentis
 
2013-05-10 02:48:26 AM

HotWingAgenda: Why would the hospital notify the school of the death before his next of kin?  That strikes me as a bizarre violation of privacy, unless he actually died on the spot in front of everybody before the medics could scrape him off the pavement.




Well keep in mind he is at boarding school... the school administrators have temporary guardianship over their students, since they live at the school and are the responsibility of the school. Im pretty sure you give private boarding schools permission to make medical decisions etc in the contract. So in that context, it makes sense.

I think what happened here though is the kid got splatted right off the bat, in front of half the school (or at least anyone at the athletic field). So the school went ahead and began emergency counseling and addressing the problem of traumatized students right away.

Sucks for the parents, but the only reason they are suing the school and demanding the guys resignation is because they are pissed their child is dead and they need to lash out at somebody. Which really irritates me. At least they arent calling politicians demanding laws be written yet.
 
2013-05-10 02:48:33 AM
Here, you might have problems with that

Let me google that for you
 
2013-05-10 02:49:28 AM
RLy THo anyone whose been through some serious stuff I bless and stay strong,
 
2013-05-10 02:50:19 AM

impaler: HotWingAgenda: I know nothing about English medical privacy, but in the US, doctors can't go around pronouncing medical diagnosis to whoever the f*ck calls to ask about a minor patient.

What if that "whoever" is the loco parentis?


That ended when the ambulance picked him up from the school and the school gave the paramedics his family's contact info.  He wasn't a goddamn orphan.
 
2013-05-10 02:52:29 AM

ElizaDoolittle: Pert: HotWingAgenda: Why would the hospital notify the school of the death before his next of kin?  That strikes me as a bizarre violation of privacy, unless he actually died on the spot in front of everybody before the medics could scrape him off the pavement.

Because he was at boarding school and the school has legal responsibility for him and the hospitalonly have the school's contact details and it should be for the school to notify the parents?

He was at day school.  I don't know how this changes anything.




He was at a boarding school.. the exact opposite of a day school.

/Did I just get trolled or is this guy really that thick?
 
2013-05-10 02:56:43 AM

HotWingAgenda: That ended when the ambulance picked him up from the school and the school gave the paramedics his family's contact info.


Wow. You have a hard time discerning reality from fantasy don't you? No where was it ever indicated that happened, but here you are saying it did.

Because during an extreme life threatening emergency, paramedics will pause to let secretaries pull up contact information from the office files...
 
2013-05-10 02:58:31 AM

Alonjar: He was at a boarding school.. the exact opposite of a day school.


Lies! People are at boarding school during the day!

/now if he was at night school...
 
2013-05-10 03:07:25 AM

Gyrfalcon: doglover: I don't think that's such a problem. They were already aware their son was in the hospital greviously hurt and they were en route. It's not like the school didn't contact them ASAP. And quite frankly, if you send your kids to boarding school, they're out of your family for the time and part of that organization. That organization has an obligation to its members when something happens to one.

Tragedy, but compared to the Syria situation and stuff like that it's a non-issue.

Yeah, mostly this. Welcome to the age where instantaneous communication is now possible. Yes, it was very sad that someone at the school jumped the gun; but would the parents be "suing the school" if one of the kid's classmates had found out and posted it on his Facebook first without the school's knowledge? Or would they now be suing the doctor for daring to pronounce the boy dead before the parents could get there first?

I now foresee a whole new era of people being kept alive on breathing machines so this doesn't happen--"Yes, your son died 14 hours ago, but we didn't dare pronounce in case you felt like suing us because his friends wanted to tell you how sorry they were ahead of your official grief?"


The whole doctor pronouncing you dead thing, that has to go in garbage.

You're dead when you're dead. We have to define what that means specifically, but it doesn't matter if there's even another human in the galaxy you're in when you die. It doesn't matter if medical science finds a way to resurrect you after you die. The fact is when your body is dead it's dead and that's it. The doctor's pronouncement is a legal formailty from the age of lawyers, which is an age whose time has come. We must reject the lawyers and those who support their dark arts like the Aztecs abandoned human sacrifice and became the Mexicans.
 
2013-05-10 03:08:20 AM

impaler: HotWingAgenda: That ended when the ambulance picked him up from the school and the school gave the paramedics his family's contact info.

Wow. You have a hard time discerning reality from fantasy don't you? No where was it ever indicated that happened, but here you are saying it did.

Because during an extreme life threatening emergency, paramedics will pause to let secretaries pull up contact information from the office files...


As someone who works for a boarding school, I would have every medically useful bit of info in my hands before the paramedics arrived. And while I do have the primary responsibility while students are in our care, that in no way diminishes HIPAA which would preclude me from disseminating medical information to anyone other than the student, family, and medical persons.

What the head of school did was completely beyond the bounds of what would be acceptable in the US. But this was in the UK and while I find it to have been a terrible decision, I dont know if there are laws or regulations to which anyone was bound.
 
2013-05-10 03:11:37 AM

INeedAName: As someone who works for a boarding school, I would have every medically useful bit of info in my hands before the paramedics arrived. And while I do have the primary responsibility while students are in our care, that in no way diminishes HIPAA which would preclude me from disseminating medical information to anyone other than the student, family, and medical persons.

What the head of school did was completely beyond the bounds of what would be acceptable in the US. But this was in the UK and while I find it to have been a terrible decision, I dont know if there are laws or regulations to which anyone was bound.


That's nice. We were discussing the hospital giving info to the school. Not the school giving info to the public.

Also, the fact you can get you students medical records before the paramedics arrive is commendable. I hope all schools are as efficient as yours.
 
2013-05-10 03:11:43 AM

HotWingAgenda: impaler: Bender The Offender: 30k a year for tuition and the school couldn't be troubled to work in "look both ways before crossing the road" into their curriculum? I'd be pretty litigious if I were paying that kind of money and I hadn't taught my kids the basic rules of crossing the road before preschool.

PsychoLaurie: HotWingAgenda: Why would the hospital notify the school of the death before his next of kin?  That strikes me as a bizarre violation of privacy, unless he actually died on the spot in front of everybody before the medics could scrape him off the pavement.

This.


Is "this" slang for "derp"?

Because they found out about the school first (people don't have their parent's info tattooed on their body) and the school should have had the "emergency contact" information.

I know nothing about English medical privacy, but in the US, doctors can't go around pronouncing medical diagnosis to whoever the f*ck calls to ask about a minor patient. Unless Mr. Whoeverthef*ck strolls in with a medical power of attorney or something.


The school is in loco parentis, ie has legal responsibility for the children in its care in situations like this. In the absence of the parents the hospital would have nobody to contact.

Who do you think authorised treatment?
 
2013-05-10 03:13:27 AM

TheOtherMisterP: I don't care if this is "the information age". There are certain protocols, etiquettes, professional behaviors.. whatever you want to call it... that the school majorly screwed up with. If one of the kid's friends was there and tweeted about it or put it on Facebook, fine. But for the school to make a official public announcement without having even spoken to the parents is beyond irresponsible.

Not saying the school should have to do any kind of settlement, but people have been rightly fired for less.


One of those protocols, points of etiquette, or professional behaviors involves the judicious use of the phrase "The name of the victim is being withheld pending the notification of family."
 
2013-05-10 03:13:40 AM

Alonjar: ElizaDoolittle: Pert: HotWingAgenda: Why would the hospital notify the school of the death before his next of kin?  That strikes me as a bizarre violation of privacy, unless he actually died on the spot in front of everybody before the medics could scrape him off the pavement.

Because he was at boarding school and the school has legal responsibility for him and the hospitalonly have the school's contact details and it should be for the school to notify the parents?

He was at day school.  I don't know how this changes anything.

He was at a boarding school.. the exact opposite of a day school.

/Did I just get trolled or is this guy really that thick?


Making an ignorant or willfully ignorant post is hardly trolling. You're in the clear.

www.imageleech.net

/link is hot
 
2013-05-10 03:17:37 AM

impaler: INeedAName: As someone who works for a boarding school, I would have every medically useful bit of info in my hands before the paramedics arrived. And while I do have the primary responsibility while students are in our care, that in no way diminishes HIPAA which would preclude me from disseminating medical information to anyone other than the student, family, and medical persons.

What the head of school did was completely beyond the bounds of what would be acceptable in the US. But this was in the UK and while I find it to have been a terrible decision, I dont know if there are laws or regulations to which anyone was bound.

That's nice. We were discussing the hospital giving info to the school. Not the school giving info to the public.

Also, the fact you can get you students medical records before the paramedics arrive is commendable. I hope all schools are as efficient as yours.




A poster said the mother already knew the son was dead. So the hospital or someone informed the mother. Assume the school found out formally, or informally, my issue is that the school had no right to release the info without family permission.
 
2013-05-10 03:18:27 AM

INeedAName: A poster said the mother already knew the son was dead. So the hospital or someone informed the mother. Assume the school found out formally, or informally, my issue is that the school had no right to release the info without family permission.


No argument there.
 
2013-05-10 03:18:44 AM
Dear Penthouse Forum:

I always thought these stories were made up, but this really happened to berylman: DId I ever tell you all about the time I was locked in a sauna for 72 hours with a Portugese man-o-war, Jimmy Carer, and Wilfred Brimley? Well then...
 
2013-05-10 03:19:00 AM
Last summer, I noticed that many people were posting old pics of themselves and a friend of mine on his fb page.  I was going to make some snarky but friendly jests at some of the dorky pics when hours later one of the posts gave 2 dates like that on a gravesite.  At first I thought "did he just get engaged or something hahaha?" not realizing that he had died of a massive heart attack two days previously.  He was in his early 40's.  Didn't help that he was close to 400 lbs.
 
2013-05-10 03:22:36 AM

Bender The Offender: 30k a year for tuition and the school couldn't be troubled to work in "look both ways before crossing the road" into their curriculum? I'd be pretty litigious if I were paying that kind of money and I hadn't taught my kids the basic rules of crossing the road before preschool.


At least he was hit by a Range Rover and not a Fiat.
 
2013-05-10 03:26:15 AM
Unless the parents can get a change of venue to some place a little more plaintiff friendly like California or Michigan I don't really see this suit going anywhere. The only difference between finding out from the headmaster vs.their friends would have been if they'd experienced some problem on the way there because he didn't call and say, "Slow down because the kid will still be dead when you get here."
 
2013-05-10 03:33:19 AM

ElizaDoolittle: This is much ado about lawsuits, however much the parents claim they aren't seeking to profit from the death of their son.


If they don't want to profit, tell them to drop the suit.

In fact, it should be law that if you say "I don't want to profit" you cannot be awarded more than a written apology on a torn off piece of legal pad paper.
 
2013-05-10 03:41:41 AM

manwithplanx: Welcome to the Information Age. If it wasn't the school then it would've been someone on Twitter or Facebook.


In 1938 my grandfather was asked by a reporter over the telephone for his reaction to his son's death while training for the Army Air Corps.
It was the first he knew about it.
 
2013-05-10 03:52:43 AM
Well, at least they didn't raped him.
 
2013-05-10 03:53:49 AM
INeedAName:
As someone who works for a boarding school, I would have every medically useful bit of info in my hands before the paramedics arrived. And while I do have the primary responsibility while students are in our care, that in no way diminishes HIPAA which would preclude me from disseminating medical information to anyone other than the student, family, and medical persons.

What the head of school did was completely beyond the bounds of what would be acceptable in the US. But this was in the UK and while I find it to have been a terrible decision, I dont know if there are laws or regulations to which anyone was bound.


I'm not actually sure the school would be considered a "covered entity" under the privacy requirements of HIPAA, and even the school played it safe and did consider itself a covered entity, nothing prevents anyone else who witnessed a death from disclosing it publicly.  However, any school in the U.S. that posted an announcement about the death like that without the family's permission would probably get sued for emotional harm and probably privacy violation under the laws that apply to students - I don't think FERPA applies to medical info, but some other law probably does.
   I'm also curious to know what laws the UK has regarding this sort of situation.  In any case, they should have at least waited for the parents to give the ok to releae the info out of sympathy if nothing else.
 
2013-05-10 04:14:14 AM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: AMC Presents: The Awkward Dead.


The parents thought he was in the house.
 
2013-05-10 04:15:40 AM

OscarTamerz: Unless the parents can get a change of venue to some place a little more plaintiff friendly like California or Michigan I don't really see this suit going anywhere. The only difference between finding out from the headmaster vs.their friends would have been if they'd experienced some problem on the way there because he didn't call and say, "Slow down because the kid will still be dead when you get here."


can't get much deader than dead, much like you can't overdry. you can't over-die, can't over-die.
 
2013-05-10 04:18:17 AM

maggibond: OscarTamerz: Unless the parents can get a change of venue to some place a little more plaintiff friendly like California or Michigan I don't really see this suit going anywhere. The only difference between finding out from the headmaster vs.their friends would have been if they'd experienced some problem on the way there because he didn't call and say, "Slow down because the kid will still be dead when you get here."

can't get much deader than dead, much like you can't overdry. you can't over-die, can't over-die.


can't get much deader than dead, much like you can't overdry. you can't over-dry, can't over-die.
 
2013-05-10 04:24:14 AM
Better than waiting until the graduation ceremony and finding out when instead of calling to walk across the stage they have a moment of silence for him.
 
2013-05-10 05:37:37 AM
The school did nothing wrong as schools are above the law. If you don't believe me, just ask them.

/This will go on your permanent record
 
2013-05-10 05:39:34 AM

Alonjar: He was at a boarding school.. the exact opposite of a day school.

/Did I just get trolled or is this guy really that thick?


He was a day pupil at a school that also has boarders which is completely standard for private schools.

Gyrfalcon: Bear in mind that at a BOARDING SCHOOL, the kids are family too, and likely as traumatized as the parents, especially when one of their number gets run over by a car.


Well, he was a day pupil, but that isn't really relevant.  If you're seriously saying that the other students were as traumatised as the parents then, I'm sorry to say, you're utterly incorrect.  The levels of grief are not comparable.  That's not to say his friends weren't upset, but it in no way compares to how the parents felt and still feel.  Out of interest, are you a parent?
 
2013-05-10 05:47:08 AM

HotWingAgenda: impaler: HotWingAgenda: I know nothing about English medical privacy, but in the US, doctors can't go around pronouncing medical diagnosis to whoever the f*ck calls to ask about a minor patient.

What if that "whoever" is the loco parentis?

That ended when the ambulance picked him up from the school and the school gave the paramedics his family's contact info.  He wasn't a goddamn orphan.


Even if the school gave the paramedics that info (which they may not have) the school is still responsible until the parents arrive and take over.
 
2013-05-10 05:59:49 AM

Mr. Eugenides: HIPPA of course does not exist in England, so while such a disclosure would be illegal in the US, it may not be there.  Without knowing how long the drive was for the parents I'm hard pressed to decide if it was "too soon" for the school to put up such a notice.  The time between when the parents were first notified to when the school posted the notice may have been hours.  Plus, if the school was already being contacted by the parents of other students (which may well have been the case) then I can see the desire to get out in front of the situation.


Even if it was in the US, the school is not a covered entity, and therefore not bound to follow HIPAA anyways.
 
2013-05-10 06:09:42 AM

impaler: ElizaDoolittle: He was at day school. I don't know how this changes anything.

loco parentis


Alonjar: ElizaDoolittle: Pert: HotWingAgenda: Why would the hospital notify the school of the death before his next of kin?  That strikes me as a bizarre violation of privacy, unless he actually died on the spot in front of everybody before the medics could scrape him off the pavement.

Because he was at boarding school and the school has legal responsibility for him and the hospitalonly have the school's contact details and it should be for the school to notify the parents?

He was at day school.  I don't know how this changes anything.

He was at a boarding school.. the exact opposite of a day school.

/Did I just get trolled or is this guy really that thick?



FTFA in the Express:   http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/398316/Devastated-father-learns-of-s o n-s-death-after-elite-boarding-school-posts-news-on-web

William was a day boy at Worth School .... 

Lots of public schools (meaning, private schools) in England allow day students. The term means non-boarding students.

themoreyouknow.jpg
 
2013-05-10 06:15:49 AM
"You do not expect your child to go to school, but not come home. That is why we feel the school have to take some responsibility ... We trusted them to look after William."

ProTip: Look after your own...
 
2013-05-10 06:49:28 AM
Is the kid dead? If so what are they going to sue for? They were telling the truth.
 
2013-05-10 07:09:51 AM
FTFA: The notice was signed by the school's headmaster, Gino Carminati, who expressed his great disdain in making the tragic announcement.

Huh?
 
2013-05-10 07:30:48 AM

HotWingAgenda: impaler: Bender The Offender: 30k a year for tuition and the school couldn't be troubled to work in "look both ways before crossing the road" into their curriculum? I'd be pretty litigious if I were paying that kind of money and I hadn't taught my kids the basic rules of crossing the road before preschool.

PsychoLaurie: HotWingAgenda: Why would the hospital notify the school of the death before his next of kin?  That strikes me as a bizarre violation of privacy, unless he actually died on the spot in front of everybody before the medics could scrape him off the pavement.

This.


Is "this" slang for "derp"?

Because they found out about the school first (people don't have their parent's info tattooed on their body) and the school should have had the "emergency contact" information.

I know nothing about English medical privacy, but in the US, doctors can't go around pronouncing medical diagnosis to whoever the f*ck calls to ask about a minor patient. Unless Mr. Whoeverthef*ck strolls in with a medical power of attorney or something.


Boarding schools get a medical consent signed by the parents it would be criminally negligent not to.
 
2013-05-10 07:35:13 AM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: INeedAName:
As someone who works for a boarding school, I would have every medically useful bit of info in my hands before the paramedics arrived. And while I do have the primary responsibility while students are in our care, that in no way diminishes HIPAA which would preclude me from disseminating medical information to anyone other than the student, family, and medical persons.

What the head of school did was completely beyond the bounds of what would be acceptable in the US. But this was in the UK and while I find it to have been a terrible decision, I dont know if there are laws or regulations to which anyone was bound.

I'm not actually sure the school would be considered a "covered entity" under the privacy requirements of HIPAA, and even the school played it safe and did consider itself a covered entity, nothing prevents anyone else who witnessed a death from disclosing it publicly.  However, any school in the U.S. that posted an announcement about the death like that without the family's permission would probably get sued for emotional harm and probably privacy violation under the laws that apply to students - I don't think FERPA applies to medical info, but some other law probably does.
   I'm also curious to know what laws the UK has regarding this sort of situation.  In any case, they should have at least waited for the parents to give the ok to releae the info out of sympathy if nothing else.


FERPA covers pretty much all student info
 
2013-05-10 07:39:52 AM

fusillade762: RELIGION

religion/christianity/catholicism

Wat?


The website is a leftist outlet. Thus, they will use the flimsiest of excuses to put any bad behavior under the "religion" category. It's what leftists do. A government-run school administrator could have been just a stupid--or are we supposed to believe that religious school administrators are so very much better most of the time that this stupid mistake is noteworthy?
 
2013-05-10 07:42:08 AM

Barricaded Gunman: FTFA: The notice was signed by the school's headmaster, Gino Carminati, who expressed his great disdain in making the tragic announcement.

Huh?


He does not like making those sort of announcements, who would.
 
2013-05-10 07:52:45 AM
There is definitely one person in this story that doesn't care how his parents got notified.
 
2013-05-10 08:03:00 AM

TomD9938: FTA : On their way, the Wrights began to experience an onslaught of phone calls gushing with unexpected condolences.

I know that when an acquaintance of mine suddenly has a dead kid, I too, like to jump into their tragedy as quickly as possible.


Total narcissism. The defining attribute of social media.
 
JW
2013-05-10 08:05:32 AM

thaylin: Barricaded Gunman: FTFA: The notice was signed by the school's headmaster, Gino Carminati, who expressed his great disdain in making the tragic announcement.

Huh?

He does not like making those sort of announcements, who would.


Words have meaning:

disdain:The feeling that someone or something is unworthy of one's consideration or respect; contempt.
 
2013-05-10 08:13:33 AM

JW: thaylin: Barricaded Gunman: FTFA: The notice was signed by the school's headmaster, Gino Carminati, who expressed his great disdain in making the tragic announcement.

Huh?

He does not like making those sort of announcements, who would.

Words have meaning:

disdain:The feeling that someone or something is unworthy of one's consideration or respect; contempt.


Not really sure what you are trying to prove, but I think we all know what disdain means.
 
2013-05-10 08:20:58 AM

doglover: I don't think that's such a problem. They were already aware their son was in the hospital greviously hurt and they were en route. It's not like the school didn't contact them ASAP. And quite frankly, if you send your kids to boarding school, they're out of your family for the time and part of that organization. That organization has an obligation to its members when something happens to one.

Tragedy, but compared to the Syria situation and stuff like that it's a non-issue.


Decent troll bait.  I'd be pretty sad, though, if someone actually agreed with you.

*checks*

Well, screw this Earth.
 
2013-05-10 08:36:16 AM

HotWingAgenda: impaler: HotWingAgenda: I know nothing about English medical privacy, but in the US, doctors can't go around pronouncing medical diagnosis to whoever the f*ck calls to ask about a minor patient.

What if that "whoever" is the loco parentis?

That ended when the ambulance picked him up from the school and the school gave the paramedics his family's contact info.  He wasn't a goddamn orphan.


This. What if he was an adult and loco parentis did not even come into play? You still notify the next of kin before releasing the information publicly. Anyone here who thinks the school is not at fault has clearly never been in the parents' situation. It doesn't matter if everyone in the school saw the kid hit by the car, they don't know for sure that he is dead until the hospital releases the information. And even if they did, they wouldn't reach out to the family to offer condolences if they didn't think the family already knew, which they probably assumed was the case because the dumbass principal released the information publicly.
 
2013-05-10 08:41:58 AM
Speaking as someone who knows(in my case, my dad), this is the kind of thing that's going to be terrible no matter how you hear it.

Yes, it would have been better to find out quietly in person, and the school should apologize for that. But in no way should this be a lawsuit.

As for the  "We trusted them to look after him", he was hit crossing the street....freak accident, could have happened anywhere...the school isn't going top handhold all the kids across the street...
 
2013-05-10 08:42:45 AM

jpschwan: manwithplanx: Welcome to the Information Age. If it wasn't the school then it would've been someone on Twitter or Facebook.

As someone who found out through Facebook posts that their grandfather had passed away, I must concur.

Nothing like randomly surfing on Facebook only to start seeing all your cousins start posting "RIP Grandpa" all over the place.

/give it a few damn hours, geez...

Or you could NOT BE ON Facebook

 
2013-05-10 08:46:02 AM

pseudoscience: HotWingAgenda: impaler: HotWingAgenda: I know nothing about English medical privacy, but in the US, doctors can't go around pronouncing medical diagnosis to whoever the f*ck calls to ask about a minor patient.

What if that "whoever" is the loco parentis?

That ended when the ambulance picked him up from the school and the school gave the paramedics his family's contact info.  He wasn't a goddamn orphan.

This. What if he was an adult and loco parentis did not even come into play? You still notify the next of kin before releasing the information publicly. Anyone here who thinks the school is not at fault has clearly never been in the parents' situation. It doesn't matter if everyone in the school saw the kid hit by the car, they don't know for sure that he is dead until the hospital releases the information. And even if they did, they wouldn't reach out to the family to offer condolences if they didn't think the family already knew, which they probably assumed was the case because the dumbass principal released the information publicly.


You did read where the mother already knew right?
 
2013-05-10 09:04:59 AM
Fark: Different article has the mother wonder while school officials weren't helping kids cross the road. Decedant in question was 13 years old.Ultra Fark: road going directly by school allowed vehicles to drive at 60 mph. In Canada, we have school zones where cars crawl at 40 km/h

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2321924/Devastated-father-so n- William-Avery-Wright-died-Worth-School-website.html?ico=home
 
2013-05-10 09:06:21 AM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: AMC Presents: The Awkward Dead.


WHERE'S CARL!!!!
 
2013-05-10 09:08:27 AM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: INeedAName:
As someone who works for a boarding school, I would have every medically useful bit of info in my hands before the paramedics arrived. And while I do have the primary responsibility while students are in our care, that in no way diminishes HIPAA which would preclude me from disseminating medical information to anyone other than the student, family, and medical persons.

What the head of school did was completely beyond the bounds of what would be acceptable in the US. But this was in the UK and while I find it to have been a terrible decision, I dont know if there are laws or regulations to which anyone was bound.

I'm not actually sure the school would be considered a "covered entity" under the privacy requirements of HIPAA, and even the school played it safe and did consider itself a covered entity, nothing prevents anyone else who witnessed a death from disclosing it publicly.  However, any school in the U.S. that posted an announcement about the death like that without the family's permission would probably get sued for emotional harm and probably privacy violation under the laws that apply to students - I don't think FERPA applies to medical info, but some other law probably does.
   I'm also curious to know what laws the UK has regarding this sort of situation.  In any case, they should have at least waited for the parents to give the ok to releae the info out of sympathy if nothing else.


Okay, what I don't get is why does any of this crap matters?  The kid died, mom knew, dad took his sweet time getting to the hospital and now the school is to blame for people calling him to offer condolences.  So what, that he found out that way.  Getting that kind of news will suck no matter how or who tells you, atleast those that broke the news were sympathetic.  I am sure he was also upset about not getting a chance to talk to the kid one last time, however that was just not to be.  The doc didn't say 'well dad isn't going to get here in time so lets just shoot the kid now and save time'.  If the dad wants to be pissed about not being close enough to his son, fine be pissed at himself.  Quite frankly, if he couldn't tell there was much more to it by his wife's behavior, then he is a well disconnected man.  I am sure the school figured with the mom knowing that dad would know as well.  He was informed by bad timing, not bad taste.  Now finding out by a joke being told about his kid being dead, then he would have a complaint.
 
2013-05-10 09:12:26 AM

doglover: The whole doctor pronouncing you dead thing, that has to go in garbage.


The whole false expert thing is a huge human problem.  People often forget that truth is absolute and outside of our ability grasp or identify which bit is true.  We have legal frameworks so we can label something as true or not true, according to the legal system, so that we can at least try and deal with the idea that sometimes we don't know.  However, it's lead to a culture where people honestly seem to believe something they know to be true can't be accepted as true until it's formally recognized by some governing authority.  You also see a lot of it when people refuse to admit when they know someone's guilty, because they can't seem to understand that legal guilt must be determined by judges and juries because non-witnesses need a framework to know which witnesses to trust.  That's certainly not always necessary if guilt isn't a matter of confusion.  It's necessary for the legal system to act, but not for individuals.
 
2013-05-10 09:16:11 AM
Spoilers, Sweetie.
 
2013-05-10 09:16:29 AM
FT Express Article -  William was a day boy at Worth School

This seems like a really gay expression NTTIAWWT
 
2013-05-10 09:18:17 AM

PsychoLaurie: This.

/Found out my Uncle Pat died via Facebook. Uncle Pat lived four miles away from me in Waikiki. I found out from my cousin who lives in Virginia. I was pissed. My cousin's dad (my Uncle John) was pissed because he thought I was the first to learn of Uncle Pat dying, but I wasn't. So stupid.
//My Grandma is currently comatose and shuffling off the mortal coil. I told my parents to tell me when she dies before anyone posts it on Facebook. I can't take finding out that way about my beloved Grandma Bear.


You are mad because you weren't the first to know about the death?  Why?  What does it matter?  If you knew first what would that have changed?  Did you want all the attention and the ability to post of FB that he died?   I don't understand any reason why it would matter.
 
2013-05-10 09:18:57 AM

octopied: As for the "We trusted them to look after him", he was hit crossing the street....freak accident, could have happened anywhere...the school isn't going top handhold all the kids across the street...


To be fair, he was crossing to get to the school's sports ground, during school time.
 
2013-05-10 09:21:44 AM

Mr Guy: doglover: The whole doctor pronouncing you dead thing, that has to go in garbage.

The whole false expert thing is a huge human problem.  People often forget that truth is absolute and outside of our ability grasp or identify which bit is true.  We have legal frameworks so we can label something as true or not true, according to the legal system, so that we can at least try and deal with the idea that sometimes we don't know.  However, it's lead to a culture where people honestly seem to believe something they know to be true can't be accepted as true until it's formally recognized by some governing authority.  You also see a lot of it when people refuse to admit when they know someone's guilty, because they can't seem to understand that legal guilt must be determined by judges and juries because non-witnesses need a framework to know which witnesses to trust.  That's certainly not always necessary if guilt isn't a matter of confusion.  It's necessary for the legal system to act, but not for individuals.


Grieving people tend to not want to grasp reality, telling them their love one is dead is going to fall on deaf ears, unless someone who is an expert tells them, then it can begin to sink in.
 
2013-05-10 09:22:53 AM

octopied: Fark: Different article has the mother wonder while school officials weren't helping kids cross the road. Decedant in question was 13 years old.Ultra Fark: road going directly by school allowed vehicles to drive at 60 mph. In Canada, we have school zones where cars crawl at 40 km/h

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2321924/Devastated-father-so n- William-Avery-Wright-died-Worth-School-website.html?ico=home


Years ago a kid got ran over by a large suv, crossing the road to catch a bus right in front of the mom.  It was on a 55mph road and of course cars are to stop for all school buses picking up kids.  Idk if the UK is different, but it is law that all buses turn on the red lights and have a stop sign pop out on the left side.  A lot of people called for the suv driver to be arrested and thrown in jail, however the kid was at fault.  The bus was still approaching, and did not have the yellow lights flashing warning traffic that it was coming to a stop.  The kid just bolted across the road in front of a large vehicle going 52mph (per investigation).  As terrible as it is, mom is to blame in this story.  The parents are most likely in anger stage.

Here the restricted speed zones are usually during certain times for drop off and pick up.  Not middle of the day when a small group of kids may be taken across the roads for whatever reason.  We had done this a few times when I was in school and we assumed the normal traffic laws and crossed safely.
 
2013-05-10 09:23:59 AM

The Envoy: octopied: As for the "We trusted them to look after him", he was hit crossing the street....freak accident, could have happened anywhere...the school isn't going top handhold all the kids across the street...

To be fair, he was crossing to get to the school's sports ground, during school time.


To be fair, what does that matter... Is the school supposed to hire people to hold every kids hand? Even still if they did, what would that have changed, the driver would have ran them both over.
 
2013-05-10 09:47:00 AM
CSB time (well, not so cool for the family involved):

The father of a friend of my wife's family (I'll call her Iulia) recently died in Eastern Europe. The grandson of the old man (Iulia's nephew), who still lives in Eastern Europe, decided that it would be most expedient to make the announcement of the death and the funeral plans via Facebook, rather than depend on telephone or e-mail tag. As far as he knew everybody in the family had FB accounts, and would be sure to receive the news either in their own feed or those of other relatives.

Nobody had bothered to inform him that Aunt Iulia, who'd moved to Canada years before and whose daughter was not close to her cousins in the old country, was not on Facebook.

Not only did she miss the funeral, but Iulia only learned of her father's death when an irate relative finally reached her by telephone and demanded to know why she'd couldn't have been bothered to bury her poor father.

Iulia has Facebook now.
 
2013-05-10 09:48:39 AM

thaylin: The Envoy: octopied: As for the "We trusted them to look after him", he was hit crossing the street....freak accident, could have happened anywhere...the school isn't going top handhold all the kids across the street...

To be fair, he was crossing to get to the school's sports ground, during school time.

To be fair, what does that matter... Is the school supposed to hire people to hold every kids hand? Even still if they did, what would that have changed, the driver would have ran them both over.


Or, and I hope this extra scenario doesn't tax you too much, the teacher could have stopped the kid trying to cross at all.  That's not the point though.  The point, which I'll assume you missed based on your ridiculously moronic and simplistic prediction of events had a teacher been present, is that during school hours, on school grounds, during school activities, a school has a duty of care to its students.  That's not opinion, that's a fact under UK law.  Whether or not the school fulfilled that duty is another matter and is for a court to decide.
 
2013-05-10 09:56:34 AM

The Envoy: thaylin: The Envoy: octopied: As for the "We trusted them to look after him", he was hit crossing the street....freak accident, could have happened anywhere...the school isn't going top handhold all the kids across the street...

To be fair, he was crossing to get to the school's sports ground, during school time.

To be fair, what does that matter... Is the school supposed to hire people to hold every kids hand? Even still if they did, what would that have changed, the driver would have ran them both over.

Or, and I hope this extra scenario doesn't tax you too much, the teacher could have stopped the kid trying to cross at all.  That's not the point though.  The point, which I'll assume you missed based on your ridiculously moronic and simplistic prediction of events had a teacher been present, is that during school hours, on school grounds, during school activities, a school has a duty of care to its students.  That's not opinion, that's a fact under UK law.  Whether or not the school fulfilled that duty is another matter and is for a court to decide.



I assume you were never a kid, or even an intelligent adult, otherwise I would have to assume you would know that 1 teacher cannot possibly prevent everyone from doing what they want especially during.a recess. I do like how you assume there was a teacher within arms reach to stop the kid. Even at 6'3 I only have so far I can reach when it comes to trying to stop a herd of children.
 
2013-05-10 10:13:00 AM

jpschwan: /give it a few damn hours, geez...


What's that going to do?
 
2013-05-10 10:20:10 AM
25.media.tumblr.com
/Just me?
//Really?
 
2013-05-10 10:43:32 AM

thaylin: I assume you were never a kid, or even an intelligent adult, otherwise I would have to assume you would know that 1 teacher cannot possibly prevent everyone from doing what they want especially during.a recess. I do like how you assume there was a teacher within arms reach to stop the kid. Even at 6'3 I only have so far I can reach when it comes to trying to stop a herd of children.


Wow.  Are you on medication?  Should you be?  There's so much wrong with your post and the inferences that you've drawn that I'm almost at a loss for words.  Almost.

How have you concluded that this was a recess?  In my experience, when children go to rugby pitches, as this one was, they are going to play or practice.  Further, when they're in a class group (you'll notice that the claim is that he and his classmates should have been supervised) the more logical inference is that it's an organised activity such as practice or possibly a PE lesson.  If it was recess it wouldn't be restricted by class, would it?  I am very interested as to where your incorrect notion of this being "recess" came from.

Moving on, I haven't assumed that there was a teacher within arms reach.  Again, I'd be very interested for you to point out where I have even hinted at that assumption because at the moment the only way I can see you coming to that conclusion is down to a moderate/severe lack of reading comprehension.  Now, you'll probably go back and quote this:

The Envoy: Or, and I hope this extra scenario doesn't tax you too much, the teacher could have stopped the kid trying to cross at all.

  Unfortunately for you, that "extra scenario" is predicated solely upon, and is in response to, your preceding post about the school hiring people to look after everyone and the moronic contention that, had that happened, the assigned carer would also have been run over: 

thaylin: Is the school supposed to hire people to hold every kids hand? Even still if they did, what would that have changed, the driver would have ran them both over.


As for trying to stop a "herd" of children (the obvious conclusion is that this isn't the case, but I'll humour you) - teachers do it all the time.  My condolences that you appear to have been educated in a zoo but I would wager that one could go in to any major museum right now and see herds of children being controlled by a small number of teachers.  What's more that control is not attained by constant physical contact.

These are not difficult concepts.  I have simply read the article and applied some critical thinking.  You appear to have read the article and had some form of stroke or aneurysm.
 
2013-05-10 11:05:07 AM
Completely irrelevant to any on-going arguements but the road that Worth School is on is a nightmare for speeding vehicles. The speed limit for the stretch of road by the school is signposted for 40mph but most vehicles whizz done there at 60. The road is fairly busy too as it is favoured shortcut/'avoid the A roads' type of road and this sort of thing has happened before.

You'd have thought a light-controled pedestrian crossing would be installed but there is no crossing there at all.
 
2013-05-10 11:14:08 AM

I'm no expert but...: Completely irrelevant to any on-going arguements but the road that Worth School is on is a nightmare for speeding vehicles. The speed limit for the stretch of road by the school is signposted for 40mph but most vehicles whizz done there at 60. The road is fairly busy too as it is favoured shortcut/'avoid the A roads' type of road and this sort of thing has happened before.

You'd have thought a light-controled pedestrian crossing would be installed but there is no crossing there at all.


Or even a footbridge, it's not that wide a road.  It's expensive, but not as expensive as having students killed.  It is quite open though, how did he not see a Range Rover coming?
 
2013-05-10 11:19:01 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: RexTalionis:

Heh. I just watched that again last night.


Hey, I just read this post!
 
2013-05-10 11:44:40 AM

The Envoy: I'm no expert but...: Completely irrelevant to any on-going arguements but the road that Worth School is on is a nightmare for speeding vehicles. The speed limit for the stretch of road by the school is signposted for 40mph but most vehicles whizz done there at 60. The road is fairly busy too as it is favoured shortcut/'avoid the A roads' type of road and this sort of thing has happened before.

You'd have thought a light-controled pedestrian crossing would be installed but there is no crossing there at all.

Or even a footbridge, it's not that wide a road.  It's expensive, but not as expensive as having students killed.  It is quite open though, how did he not see a Range Rover coming?


Knowing Range Rovers drivers, it was probably pedal to the metal so the kid see a dot in the distance figures it is ok to cross gets halfway and bammo....
 
2013-05-10 11:44:51 AM

The Envoy: Again, I'd be very interested for you to point out where I have even hinted at that assumption because at the moment the only way I can see you coming to that conclusion is down to a moderate/severe lack of reading comprehension.  Now, you'll probably go back and quote this: The Envoy: Or, and I hope this extra scenario doesn't tax you too much, the teacher could have stopped the kid trying to cross at all.  Unfortunately for you, that "extra scenario" is predicated solely upon, and is in response to, your preceding post about the...


Holy cow someone doth protest too much.  Was the road and long and winding as your writing style?
 
2013-05-10 11:46:15 AM

doglover: I don't think that's such a problem. They were already aware their son was in the hospital greviously hurt and they were en route. It's not like the school didn't contact them ASAP. And quite frankly, if you send your kids to boarding school, they're out of your family for the time and part of that organization. That organization has an obligation to its members when something happens to one.

Tragedy, but compared to the Syria situation and stuff like that it's a non-issue.


Picking kind of a low bar there, aren't you?
 
2013-05-10 11:59:34 AM

trappedspirit: The Envoy: Again, I'd be very interested for you to point out where I have even hinted at that assumption because at the moment the only way I can see you coming to that conclusion is down to a moderate/severe lack of reading comprehension.  Now, you'll probably go back and quote this: The Envoy: Or, and I hope this extra scenario doesn't tax you too much, the teacher could have stopped the kid trying to cross at all.  Unfortunately for you, that "extra scenario" is predicated solely upon, and is in response to, your preceding post about the...

Holy cow someone doth protest too much.  Was the road and long and winding as your writing style?


Too many syllables for you?  *pat pat*.
 
2013-05-10 12:08:56 PM

The Envoy: trappedspirit: The Envoy: Again, I'd be very interested for you to point out where I have even hinted at that assumption because at the moment the only way I can see you coming to that conclusion is down to a moderate/severe lack of reading comprehension.  Now, you'll probably go back and quote this: The Envoy: Or, and I hope this extra scenario doesn't tax you too much, the teacher could have stopped the kid trying to cross at all.  Unfortunately for you, that "extra scenario" is predicated solely upon, and is in response to, your preceding post about the...

Holy cow someone doth protest too much.  Was the road and long and winding as your writing style?

Too many syllables for you?  *pat pat*.


Ok, so your writing sucks and your reading comprehension is broke.  Anything else you want to throw on the fail pyre?
 
2013-05-10 12:12:07 PM

jpschwan: manwithplanx: Welcome to the Information Age. If it wasn't the school then it would've been someone on Twitter or Facebook.

As someone who found out through Facebook posts that their grandfather had passed away, I must concur.

Nothing like randomly surfing on Facebook only to start seeing all your cousins start posting "RIP Grandpa" all over the place.

/give it a few damn hours, geez...



And having the aunt you hate call up weeks later "BTW, Grandma died and the family had a private service at the house, thought you should know". Yeah, fark you too. The obit online gave more info after the fact than you did.
 
2013-05-10 12:36:06 PM

RexTalionis: [media.tumblr.com image 500x375]


More head masters like him the fewer juvenile delinquents we would have on the streets.
 
2013-05-10 01:08:18 PM
He should have said "spoiler alert". That way people know not to read any further or tell other people the ending.
 
2013-05-10 01:55:24 PM

doglover: I don't think that's such a problem. They were already aware their son was in the hospital greviously hurt and they were en route. It's not like the school didn't contact them ASAP. And quite frankly, if you send your kids to boarding school, they're out of your family for the time and part of that organization. That organization has an obligation to its members when something happens to one.

Tragedy, but compared to the Syria situation and stuff like that it's a non-issue.


I agree that it's not as bad as the Syria situation, but the closest parallel I can think of is death in the military, where there are STRONG rules about notifying the family in the event of a service member's death.  The rules are quite simple:
1.  NO public release before the family is notified.
2.  The Family will be notified in PERSON, by an officer accompanied with a Chaplain.  If possible, by the member's commander, if not I believe they want at least a Colonel(O-6) to be doing it.

As such, the 'proper' procedure would have been to meet the parents at the hospital to let them know, THEN release to the rest of the school/website/whatever.

Barricaded Gunman: FTFA: The notice was signed by the school's headmaster, Gino Carminati, who expressed his great disdain in making the tragic announcement.

Huh?


I figure it's a difference between UK English and American English.  I assumed that it meant that it was an announcement that the headmaster really, really didn't like doing, but did so out of duty.

The Envoy: Or even a footbridge, it's not that wide a road. It's expensive, but not as expensive as having students killed. It is quite open though, how did he not see a Range Rover coming?


He probably completely failed to look for vehicles?  Though at 13 the habit should be there.
 
JW
2013-05-10 03:35:59 PM

Mattyb710: JW: thaylin: Barricaded Gunman: FTFA: The notice was signed by the school's headmaster, Gino Carminati, who expressed his great disdain in making the tragic announcement.

Huh?

He does not like making those sort of announcements, who would.

Words have meaning:

disdain:The feeling that someone or something is unworthy of one's consideration or respect; contempt.

Not really sure what you are trying to prove, but I think we all know what disdain means.


Seemed to me thaylin did not.  Disdain doesn't make sense in this context.  Dismay would.  Making the announcement is not unworthy of his consideration.
 
2013-05-10 04:21:21 PM
Sounds to me like he's pissed he didn't get to say 'FIRST!'.

He sent his boy away because he couldn't be bothered.

Just go home and cry ya' jackhole.  Maybe eventually some good will come of it..
 
2013-05-10 05:04:25 PM

Silly_Sot: fusillade762: RELIGION

religion/christianity/catholicism

Wat?

The website is a leftist outlet


*citation needed*
 
2013-05-11 03:52:34 AM

trappedspirit: The Envoy: trappedspirit: The Envoy: Again, I'd be very interested for you to point out where I have even hinted at that assumption because at the moment the only way I can see you coming to that conclusion is down to a moderate/severe lack of reading comprehension.  Now, you'll probably go back and quote this: The Envoy: Or, and I hope this extra scenario doesn't tax you too much, the teacher could have stopped the kid trying to cross at all.  Unfortunately for you, that "extra scenario" is predicated solely upon, and is in response to, your preceding post about the...

Holy cow someone doth protest too much.  Was the road and long and winding as your writing style?

Too many syllables for you?  *pat pat*.

Ok, so your writing sucks and your reading comprehension is broke.  Anything else you want to throw on the fail pyre?


Favourited!  "Requires remedial English, salve for arse".
 
2013-05-11 03:56:20 AM

Amy Winehouse's Ghost: He sent his boy away because he couldn't be bothered.


Yes, he sent his son to an excellent school every day and worked to pay for it.  Truly, this man is a hideously callous beast who should be hanged for his negligent parenting style.

Or, he's like hundreds of millions of fathers around the world whose children go to school every day?  You'll notice, unless your reading skills are on a par with thaylin and trappedspirit, that he attended the school as a day pupil.
 
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