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2013-05-09 08:17:07 PM  

LovingTeacher:
my alt's alt's alt:
megarian:


Thanks for the input, y'all!   =)


CynicalLA: Adderall is a serious drug and hopefully you are taking it for the right reasons.


lol...they're ALL serious drugs.  In fact, of the three listed Adderal isn't even the most dangerous.  Just the most abused.
 
2013-05-09 08:18:19 PM  

megarian: Really: Detroit sucks. People get shot...often. And no one really cares. But I've sort of been fascinated by the strange degradation...and I have jobs that I *love* and I get to interact with the actual inhabitants of Detroit everyday. They're messed up, but pretty cool and they have a lot of interesting, shockingly humanistic awesome things to say. I do mental health and social work, so I see a lot to ridiculous assholes, too. And they SUCK.


Sounds like an interesting job and you must have tons of patience.  This country needs to put a lot more money into your field.   I
 
2013-05-09 08:18:39 PM  

What_do_you_want_now: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Have any of you sad sacks tried manning (or womanning) up and dealing with things? Depression is like adhd, namely that its not a real thing.

10/10

You will do well with this derp, and catch many a fish. You, sir/madam, are the Westboro Baptist Church of trolls!


Really?  I thought that it was ridiculously hamfisted and unrealistic.
 
2013-05-09 08:19:09 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Should have embraced buddhism or some other philosophy when she was having the existential breakdown about everything being pointless. There's absolutely nothing wrong with thinking that, and it can lead to a new, more honest, way to be happy. Instead it seems her road to happiness is to continue trying to be happy about the meaningless and superficial crap she became disillusioned with.

/"Products and TV shows give my life meaning!"


I don't think that is what she said at all. The toys and bowling and dead goldfish were just analogies to help explain depression to non-depressed people. Suggesting that a new philosophy or religion will cure depression is rather insulting to the depressed person and just another form of telling them to "man up and get through it". Just imagine how insulting it would be to tell someone "become a christian and jesus will cure your depression, see if you were just a better christian you wouldn't be depressed". You may not mean to but that is essentially what you are doing here but with buddism instead of jesus.

Don't get me wrong, talk therapy kind of IS helping you to change your philosophy about life but it is much more than that too and for severe long term depression like what she seems to have usually works best when it goes along with medication.
 
2013-05-09 08:20:24 PM  
I vividly remember getting my rage back.  All I did when I was depressed was sleep, everything else was just a fuzzy blob of people I had to interact with.  I was trying to sleep one night, I was desperate for sleep, since I'd been taken to a party the night before which turned into me driving people all over the place (airport etc...) and not sleeping for about 35 hours.  My roommates/friends were in the living room playing Mario party and every time i thought I was getting close to falling asleep they would make a noise that snapped me out of it.  I eventually raged out and burst out of my room screaming gibberish and ranting.

The next day I think I cried for about 10 hours straight thinking that I had just ruined my friendships (I had) and my life and just totally hating myself.  I took a day or two for me to fully realize that even though it was pretty negative, I was actually caring enough about something to be angry and upset about it, something I hadn't been able to do for a year and a half.

The thing that got me back on track was, oddly enough, getting a job a few weeks later - I latched onto it as a sense of purpose and a reason to care about something.  I burned myself out at work pretty quickly but it got me started back on the right track.

I have not felt truly depressed (I still get blue sometimes) in years but was always worried that it was right there, waiting to snatch me up again, when I fell in love with someone.  I didn't work out (unrequited) but loving someone was something I didn't even know I was capable of until it happened.

I've been pretty happy the last three years, managed to finish up a degree, get a career, and really start my life back up.  I know that my story is pretty tame compared to what many depression sufferers have gone through, but I kind of feel compelled to tell it.
 
2013-05-09 08:20:43 PM  

radarlove: CynicalLA: Adderall is a serious drug and hopefully you are taking it for the right reasons.

lol...they're ALL serious drugs.  In fact, of the three listed Adderal isn't even the most dangerous.  Just the most abused.


I've know a few people that went from Adderall to meth.  I think Adderall is a lot more addictive than the other ones.  Speed is a helluva drug.
 
2013-05-09 08:21:14 PM  

mesmer242: radarlove: Okay, this is probably a longshot and I know that, but...does anyone in this thread have any experience with or know anyone who has experience with the use of ECT or Trans-cranial Electromagnets in the treatment of depression?

I know someone who had the magnet thing done and it seems to have helped. They still have other issues, but the depressive component (not enjoying doing anything, withdrawing, etc.) seems to be gone.


I've been really intrigued ever since I saw Alan Alda do it for Scientific American.  I keep looking on the web to see if there are any clinical trials I can sign up for, but no luck yet.  *sigh*  Someday!

/I's po' folk, but I's can dream, yessir!
 
2013-05-09 08:21:35 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: J. Frank Parnell: Should have embraced buddhism or some other philosophy when she was having the existential breakdown about everything being pointless...

Oh ffs, don't even start with this. This isn't the thread for proselytizing.


lightenupfrancis.jpg
 
2013-05-09 08:23:16 PM  
Contrabulous Fabtraption
Have any of you sad sacks tried manning (or womanning) up and dealing with things? Depression is like adhd, namely that its not a real thing.

Go fark yourself with a rusty chainsaw.
 
2013-05-09 08:24:55 PM  

CynicalLA: radarlove: CynicalLA: Adderall is a serious drug and hopefully you are taking it for the right reasons.

lol...they're ALL serious drugs.  In fact, of the three listed Adderal isn't even the most dangerous.  Just the most abused.

I've know a few people that went from Adderall to meth.  I think Adderall is a lot more addictive than the other ones.  Speed is a helluva drug.


Like I said, it's the most abused.  But with Wellbutrin there's a fighting chance that you'll off yourself, and if you come to your senses and chuck the bottle down the toilet, there's a fighting chance that you'll die from the withdrawals anyhow.
 
2013-05-09 08:27:34 PM  

radarlove: CynicalLA: radarlove: CynicalLA: Adderall is a serious drug and hopefully you are taking it for the right reasons.

lol...they're ALL serious drugs.  In fact, of the three listed Adderal isn't even the most dangerous.  Just the most abused.

I've know a few people that went from Adderall to meth.  I think Adderall is a lot more addictive than the other ones.  Speed is a helluva drug.

Like I said, it's the most abused.  But with Wellbutrin there's a fighting chance that you'll off yourself, and if you come to your senses and chuck the bottle down the toilet, there's a fighting chance that you'll die from the withdrawals anyhow.


And people wonder why I left the free mental health clinic in Los Angeles when they started that pill soup BS on me.

/I need two drugs and therapy, that's it. Seriously.
//drugs are comparatively easy to get compared to long-term therapy
 
2013-05-09 08:28:20 PM  

What_do_you_want_now: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Have any of you sad sacks tried manning (or womanning) up and dealing with things? Depression is like adhd, namely that its not a real thing.

10/10

You will do well with this derp, and catch many a fish. You, sir/madam, are the Westboro Baptist Church of trolls!


I'm quite pleased with myself that only two of the trolls in this thread weren't already on my ignore list. It's a HELL of an ignore list though. Pretty much the only reason to get a Fark account is to block the trolls.
 
2013-05-09 08:30:31 PM  

cherryl taggart: I think I'm seeing that in my house right now.  It worries me that I don't know how to help the injured parties, and I don't want to make it worse, especially after reading her reactions to well meaning idiots.


I've seen it before with someone I dated for a while. It's really unpleasant; I pretty much felt helpless. I  think I didn't really say anything as dumb (well, unhelpful at least) as some what she talked about, but who knows. (My philosophy was and is that if saying that stuff was actually helpful, then "depression" wouldn't be a thing.) I tried to be supportive, presumably with varying degrees of success.

In my case it seems to have a happy ending. We broke up long ago, but we've met up a couple times since, and she at least has seemed happy during those visits. I hope that your situation resolves similarly.
 
2013-05-09 08:30:44 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: caddisfly: Bathia_Mapes: Yay!

Yippee!  I've been checking her page occasionally for the past year.  The utter lack of updates was making ME depressed.  Allie is 10 kinds of awesome.

She is indeed. And I've been quite concerned about her after her last appearance and subsequent long disappearance.


Thanks!!!  FYI, I've been solely a Liter for about a decade because I've always been afraid of how much time I'm capable of devoting to Fark.  I already spend about 2-3 hours every day reading linked articles and comments (and I don't even own Photoshop).  I am so very frightened at what the next month holds in store for my already waning self-employment discipline!
 
2013-05-09 08:31:24 PM  

radarlove: mesmer242: radarlove: Okay, this is probably a longshot and I know that, but...does anyone in this thread have any experience with or know anyone who has experience with the use of ECT or Trans-cranial Electromagnets in the treatment of depression?

I know someone who had the magnet thing done and it seems to have helped. They still have other issues, but the depressive component (not enjoying doing anything, withdrawing, etc.) seems to be gone.

I've been really intrigued ever since I saw Alan Alda do it for Scientific American.  I keep looking on the web to see if there are any clinical trials I can sign up for, but no luck yet.  *sigh*  Someday!

/I's po' folk, but I's can dream, yessir!


http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01829165?term=rtms&recr=Op en &cond=%22Depression%22&rank=3
http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01768052?term=rtms&recr=Op en &cond=%22Depression%22&rank=5
http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01431001?term=rtms&recr=Op en &cond=%22Depression%22&rank=7
 
2013-05-09 08:33:25 PM  

Peki: radarlove: CynicalLA: radarlove: CynicalLA: Adderall is a serious drug and hopefully you are taking it for the right reasons.

lol...they're ALL serious drugs.  In fact, of the three listed Adderal isn't even the most dangerous.  Just the most abused.

I've know a few people that went from Adderall to meth.  I think Adderall is a lot more addictive than the other ones.  Speed is a helluva drug.

Like I said, it's the most abused.  But with Wellbutrin there's a fighting chance that you'll off yourself, and if you come to your senses and chuck the bottle down the toilet, there's a fighting chance that you'll die from the withdrawals anyhow.

And people wonder why I left the free mental health clinic in Los Angeles when they started that pill soup BS on me.

/I need two drugs and therapy, that's it. Seriously.
//drugs are comparatively easy to get compared to long-term therapy


Yup, same story here, with every free clinic.

"So, what antis have ya tried?"

*Reads off the list of twelve.*  "Can we maybe try something different this time please?"

"None of em worked, eh?"

"No, in fact they tended to make things much worse.  Can we please try something else now?"

"Well, of the ones that you've tried, which made you least worse?  Because I'd like to try that in conjunction with Abilify and this new tricyclic that just came out..."

Just give me a sack of Durban Poison and rap with me, ffs.
 
2013-05-09 08:33:40 PM  

radarlove: LovingTeacher:
my alt's alt's alt:
megarian:

Thanks for the input, y'all!   =)


CynicalLA: Adderall is a serious drug and hopefully you are taking it for the right reasons.

lol...they're ALL serious drugs.  In fact, of the three listed Adderal isn't even the most dangerous.  Just the most abused.


You are welcome and I am serious about contacting me at the e-mail listed in my profile for anyone here who is suffering through depression or bi-polar disorder (I've got the bi-polar but the last major episode was a tremendous depression that took me down for a couple of years). It does get better and there are places that can help both with the depression and the paying for treatment thing. you may have to get creative and you may have to look in some places you haven't thought about but it is there.
 
2013-05-09 08:34:40 PM  

CynicalLA: Adderall is a serious drug and hopefully you are taking it for the right reasons.


It's pretty messy with bupropion, too, but bupropion is the only anti-depressant that actually does anything for me and if I want to be a functional adult, I have to keep my adult ADHD controlled. One of the emotions that I am missing is satisfaction. Something about reward pathways something something.

I don't enjoy it at all and I'm trying to find a non-drug solution to improving my focus, at least, but it's difficult. I was off of it for a while, but I got a motorcycle and when I found myself going full space cadet WHILE RIDING, I reluctantly admitted to myself that being back on it was probably going to turn out better than staying off of it.

Fark the college kids who use it to cram for exams and make it harder for people with real problems to get help.
 
2013-05-09 08:35:10 PM  

megarian: radarlove: megarian: radarlove: Okay, this is probably a longshot and I know that, but...does anyone in this thread have any experience with or know anyone who has experience with the use of ECT or Trans-cranial Electromagnets in the treatment of depression?

I do. I am an intern, though. What do you want to know?

Mainly, how effective is it in someone who has run the gamut of SSRIs and Tricyclics and such but for whom those only exacerbated the depression?  Also, how difficult is it to find someone qualified and reliable to do it, and can a fella like me make you, the taxpayer, foot the bill?

I wish I had a better answer:

It completely depends. As an intern, I see three things: a month or so before, the day of, and every week after until discharge. Most have wonderful results...more with the electromagnetic response than the ECT. The ECT are usually more of an overdose-of-barbiturate effect. The magnetic responses are delayed but they seems to be more long term. The ETCs are usually pretty far-gone...I would say half are catatonic before treatment. But I have seen 10 or so (out of the 30 or 40 ECTs that I have seen) make some serious, remarkable recovery. 7 that I know personally are doing very well and are actually a productive person now. The 'magnets have an even better outcome. This is not scientific, this is just what I have see. The 'magnets are doing well, but insurance is sort of a factor here. Out of the ~20 I have seen, 9 of them are extremely responsive, and 7 of them are out of inpatient care for the last 6 months when they usually go back for mental treatment within the next 2 months if discharge. The ECTs come back within a year or so. Less severe, but it happens.


just wanted to throw my 2 cents in here. my ex ended up getting ECT. after 3 suicide attempts and 4 hospitalizations in a 4 year period, her psych recommended it. i will say this to you, MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT THERE IS NOTHING ELSE LEFT UNTRIED. it turns out she was mildly bi-polar, and you DO NOT give ECT to bi-polar people. she had never been diagnosed as bi-polar, nor had it ever been on anyone's radar prior to the ECT. ended up frying out the part of her brain that dealt with her decision making. she started second guessing herself on everything. she lost her job because of this. ended up losing me as well. i stuck with her through all the bad crap, but i ended up not being able her being so irresponsible with our money. she made a couple of purchases that were right out there, even after she had lost her job and we were struggling to pay the mortgage. she is now on disability and will probably never be able to hold down a job again. and it didn't help with her depression.
 
2013-05-09 08:35:44 PM  
(((((hugs)))))) to Allie and all the farkers feeling (or more aptly not feeling) this way. 

I'm hopelessly and annoyingly upbeat and optimistic, I also have a lot of feels. But knowing this situation exists gives me a sad. 

I would share my feels if I could.
 
2013-05-09 08:35:57 PM  

LovingTeacher: I don't think that is what she said at all. The toys and bowling and dead goldfish were just analogies to help explain depression to non-depressed people. Suggesting that a new philosophy or religion will cure depression is rather insulting to the depressed person and just another form of telling them to "man up and get through it".


Not even remotely. And i wasn't drawing that conclusion from the analogies. Many spiritualities believe that the material world is pointless, and that's all i was bringing it up for. Her realizing that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

I'm not even a buddhist, so don't perceive this as me trying to recruit or anything. And Christianity, along with other religions, do not share that sentiment.
 
2013-05-09 08:36:43 PM  

hawcian: MarkEC: Quantum Apostrophe: [www.tandyonline.co.uk image 492x492]

What does the most common NPN transistor in the world have to do with this thread?

I'm guessing it's a bipolar transistor?


Oh DUH!
 
2013-05-09 08:37:49 PM  

radarlove: Just give me a sack of Durban Poison and rap with me, ffs.


That strand is hard to find in Los Angeles.  One of my favorites.
 
2013-05-09 08:39:13 PM  

megarian: Well, I can but it takes like, a half an hour and an act of Congress.


My ex as like that. I learned to be very patient because of her.
 
2013-05-09 08:39:31 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Have any of you sad sacks tried manning (or womanning) up and dealing with things? Depression is like adhd, namely that its not a real thing.


I am 100% certain that if you had to spend five minutes inside my head you would be crushed into an infinitely dense point of utter blackness and despair, and then implode.

You know NOTHING. You understand NOTHING. Your opinions mean NOTHING. You goddamned ignorant bee-eating toad dropping.
 
2013-05-09 08:40:06 PM  

gglibertine: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Have any of you sad sacks tried manning (or womanning) up and dealing with things? Depression is like adhd, namely that its not a real thing.

I am 100% certain that if you had to spend five minutes inside my head you would be crushed into an infinitely dense point of utter blackness and despair, and then implode.

You know NOTHING. You understand NOTHING. Your opinions mean NOTHING. You goddamned ignorant bee-eating toad dropping.


(golf clap)
 
2013-05-09 08:41:31 PM  

megarian: CynicalLA: megarian: I don't want so sound like something I'm not. I like things about sex. I have never had an orgasm and that's not my focus. I like being physical and look at it as a sport...as in I want to make the other person have a really REALLY good time. So that's the goal and I am willing to work for it. But as far as me getting off? Not going to happen. I can do it manually but it takes a while and is not worth the effort. I like sex, though. I get a lot of information and mental pleasure through sex. I like aerobic activity.

You need to leave Detroit.

I don't mind Detroit. Maybe it's symptomatic?


I agree with CynicalLA.  Leave Detroit.
 
2013-05-09 08:41:58 PM  
It sucks to be clinically depressed, and it sucks to be AROUND someone who's clinically depressed. Things don't make sense like they're supposed to, normal interactions don't have the expected effects, and in a certain way, depression is contagious, which makes it especially difficult on the support network, when they actually can't be around a person that's depressed for long periods of time.

A lot of the strip hit a bit close to home for me. Glad that she's still around, though.
 
2013-05-09 08:42:01 PM  

Alexei Novikov: CynicalLA: Adderall is a serious drug and hopefully you are taking it for the right reasons.

It's pretty messy with bupropion, too, but bupropion is the only anti-depressant that actually does anything for me and if I want to be a functional adult, I have to keep my adult ADHD controlled. One of the emotions that I am missing is satisfaction. Something about reward pathways something something.

I don't enjoy it at all and I'm trying to find a non-drug solution to improving my focus, at least, but it's difficult. I was off of it for a while, but I got a motorcycle and when I found myself going full space cadet WHILE RIDING, I reluctantly admitted to myself that being back on it was probably going to turn out better than staying off of it.

Fark the college kids who use it to cram for exams and make it harder for people with real problems to get help.


It sounds like you have it under control.  Keep it up and I hope everything works out for you.:)
 
2013-05-09 08:43:27 PM  

LovingTeacher: You are welcome and I am serious about contacting me at the e-mail listed in my profile for anyone here who is suffering through depression or bi-polar disorder


PTSD included in that?

radarlove: Just give me a sack of Durban Poison and rap with me, ffs.


Heh. Haven't heard of that one. I prefer purps, but I use it for the sleep issues (insomnia + daily or 2x daily RISP episodes). Daily use means I don't get RISP episodes.
 
2013-05-09 08:43:29 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Have any of you sad sacks tried manning (or womanning) up and dealing with things? Depression is like adhd, namely that its not a real thing.


Have you ever tried eating a bowl of dicks?
 
2013-05-09 08:45:03 PM  

musicmanboston: megarian: radarlove: megarian: radarlove: Okay, this is probably a longshot and I know that, but...does anyone in this thread have any experience with or know anyone who has experience with the use of ECT or Trans-cranial Electromagnets in the treatment of depression?

I do. I am an intern, though. What do you want to know?

Mainly, how effective is it in someone who has run the gamut of SSRIs and Tricyclics and such but for whom those only exacerbated the depression?  Also, how difficult is it to find someone qualified and reliable to do it, and can a fella like me make you, the taxpayer, foot the bill?

I wish I had a better answer:

It completely depends. As an intern, I see three things: a month or so before, the day of, and every week after until discharge. Most have wonderful results...more with the electromagnetic response than the ECT. The ECT are usually more of an overdose-of-barbiturate effect. The magnetic responses are delayed but they seems to be more long term. The ETCs are usually pretty far-gone...I would say half are catatonic before treatment. But I have seen 10 or so (out of the 30 or 40 ECTs that I have seen) make some serious, remarkable recovery. 7 that I know personally are doing very well and are actually a productive person now. The 'magnets have an even better outcome. This is not scientific, this is just what I have see. The 'magnets are doing well, but insurance is sort of a factor here. Out of the ~20 I have seen, 9 of them are extremely responsive, and 7 of them are out of inpatient care for the last 6 months when they usually go back for mental treatment within the next 2 months if discharge. The ECTs come back within a year or so. Less severe, but it happens.

just wanted to throw my 2 cents in here. my ex ended up getting ECT. after 3 suicide attempts and 4 hospitalizations in a 4 year period, her psych recommended it. i will say this to you, MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT THERE IS NOTHING ELSE LEFT UNTRIED. it turns out she was mildly bi-polar, and you DO NOT give ECT to bi-polar people. she had never been diagnosed as bi-polar, nor had it ever been on anyone's radar prior to the ECT. ended up frying out the part of her brain that dealt with her decision making. she started second guessing herself on everything. she lost her job because of this. ended up losing me as well. i stuck with her through all the bad crap, but i ended up not being able her being so irresponsible with our money. she made a couple of purchases that were right out there, even after she had lost her job and we were struggling to pay the mortgage. she is now on disability and will probably never be able to hold down a job again. and it didn't help with her depression.


This is *exactly* why I do not agree with this unless depressives are in a pretty desperate place.

And she's bipolar?!? Yikes. I'm sorry. The system failed you and yours really bad and I mean than with zero snark. It sucks. There's not a lot more I can say;
That absolutely sucks. I'm sorry. I wish I had some awesome piece of advice to offer but...fark... I found an amazing shrink that helped me. Lamical. After waaaaay too much lithium.

I'm sorry and I hope the battle is worth it it. It will be... And I don't
mean that in any weird ecard way.
 
2013-05-09 08:45:54 PM  
I think it's brilliant.  I'm Bipolar type 2 and suffer from severe, long, drawn out bouts of depression.  I've never seen anything that describes it so well.
 
2013-05-09 08:52:04 PM  

James F. Campbell: JRoo: Emotions are just roadblocks on the path to higher intelligence.

Sounds like the credo of a psychopath.


It's a cornerstone of Stoic philosophy.

You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everyone else, and we are all a part of the same compost pile.

/This is your life, and it's ending one minute at a time
 
2013-05-09 08:52:15 PM  
Food for thought.

Sometimes I worry that I might be depressed, sometimes I think I just have a hard time giving a shiat about stuff.  Do things matter?  Do they have to matter?  Would it make any difference if everything was pointless

Minds are weird.
 
2013-05-09 08:53:19 PM  

megarian: musicmanboston: megarian: radarlove: megarian: radarlove: Okay, this is probably a longshot and I know that, but...does anyone in this thread have any experience with or know anyone who has experience with the use of ECT or Trans-cranial Electromagnets in the treatment of depression?

I do. I am an intern, though. What do you want to know?

Mainly, how effective is it in someone who has run the gamut of SSRIs and Tricyclics and such but for whom those only exacerbated the depression?  Also, how difficult is it to find someone qualified and reliable to do it, and can a fella like me make you, the taxpayer, foot the bill?

I wish I had a better answer:

It completely depends. As an intern, I see three things: a month or so before, the day of, and every week after until discharge. Most have wonderful results...more with the electromagnetic response than the ECT. The ECT are usually more of an overdose-of-barbiturate effect. The magnetic responses are delayed but they seems to be more long term. The ETCs are usually pretty far-gone...I would say half are catatonic before treatment. But I have seen 10 or so (out of the 30 or 40 ECTs that I have seen) make some serious, remarkable recovery. 7 that I know personally are doing very well and are actually a productive person now. The 'magnets have an even better outcome. This is not scientific, this is just what I have see. The 'magnets are doing well, but insurance is sort of a factor here. Out of the ~20 I have seen, 9 of them are extremely responsive, and 7 of them are out of inpatient care for the last 6 months when they usually go back for mental treatment within the next 2 months if discharge. The ECTs come back within a year or so. Less severe, but it happens.

just wanted to throw my 2 cents in here. my ex ended up getting ECT. after 3 suicide attempts and 4 hospitalizations in a 4 year period, her psych recommended it. i will say this to you, MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT THERE IS NOTHING ELSE LEFT UNTRIED. it turns out ...


Bipolarism is exceedingly difficult to diagnose correctly.  So the system not catching a mild form of it is not necessarily a case of failing her.  However, it taking four years and three suicide attempts to get any real help is a case of the system failing.
 
2013-05-09 08:54:45 PM  
This is officially my favorite fark thread EVER.  Well...minus the trolls.  For the first time since I was 21 or so I don't feel completely alone in my worldview and attitude.  SO AWESOME.
 
2013-05-09 08:56:13 PM  
I does bring back some of the bad memories of my down time. Divorce, losing a job I was at for 28 years, and a heart attack within the same month was the straw. But now I see this had to happen, I'm much better, and seem to have changed many of my bad habits, even with out realising it. Good luck everyone, I hope you all find your lonely kearnel of corn.
 
2013-05-09 08:57:44 PM  
"When I woke up from that sleep I was happier than I'd ever been." Hummer, Smashing Pumpkins

I thought of that line when I started to finally get over crippling depression in my freshman year of college. It wasn't medication or talking about it that made me get better. It was passive. One day my brain decided to show me some mercy. The evil voice in my head decided to stfu for a while.
 
2013-05-09 09:00:36 PM  

OgreMagi: megarian: musicmanboston: megarian: radarlove: megarian: radarlove: Okay, this is probably a longshot and I know that, but...does anyone in this thread have any experience with or know anyone who has experience with the use of ECT or Trans-cranial Electromagnets in the treatment of depression?

I do. I am an intern, though. What do you want to know?

Mainly, how effective is it in someone who has run the gamut of SSRIs and Tricyclics and such but for whom those only exacerbated the depression?  Also, how difficult is it to find someone qualified and reliable to do it, and can a fella like me make you, the taxpayer, foot the bill?

I wish I had a better answer:

It completely depends. As an intern, I see three things: a month or so before, the day of, and every week after until discharge. Most have wonderful results...more with the electromagnetic response than the ECT. The ECT are usually more of an overdose-of-barbiturate effect. The magnetic responses are delayed but they seems to be more long term. The ETCs are usually pretty far-gone...I would say half are catatonic before treatment. But I have seen 10 or so (out of the 30 or 40 ECTs that I have seen) make some serious, remarkable recovery. 7 that I know personally are doing very well and are actually a productive person now. The 'magnets have an even better outcome. This is not scientific, this is just what I have see. The 'magnets are doing well, but insurance is sort of a factor here. Out of the ~20 I have seen, 9 of them are extremely responsive, and 7 of them are out of inpatient care for the last 6 months when they usually go back for mental treatment within the next 2 months if discharge. The ECTs come back within a year or so. Less severe, but it happens.

just wanted to throw my 2 cents in here. my ex ended up getting ECT. after 3 suicide attempts and 4 hospitalizations in a 4 year period, her psych recommended it. i will say this to you, MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT THERE IS NOTHING ELSE LEFT UNTRIED. it turns out ...

Bipolarism is exceedingly difficult to diagnose correctly.  So the system not catching a mild form of it is not necessarily a case of failing her.  However, it taking four years and three suicide attempts to get any real help is a case of the system failing.


Please understand that I REALLY appreciate comments like this and I am so happy and grateful that you said something for someone you care about. I know this is Fark and I love me some horrible, evil snark...but this is something I actually share with my research cooperatives and seriously...we have those feels (if not for ourselves, but someone extreme close) and I do everything I can to push this in my research. So honestly, thank you.
 
2013-05-09 09:01:15 PM  

MarkEC: hawcian: MarkEC: Quantum Apostrophe: [www.tandyonline.co.uk image 492x492]

What does the most common NPN transistor in the world have to do with this thread?

I'm guessing it's a bipolar transistor?

Oh DUH!


Too subtle, I guess.
 
2013-05-09 09:01:51 PM  
Also, run-on sentences are awesome. STFU.
 
2013-05-09 09:03:07 PM  

cherryl taggart: I think I'm seeing that in my house right now.  It worries me that I don't know how to help the injured parties, and I don't want to make it worse, especially after reading her reactions to well meaning idiots.

I'm scared.


Allie's right on target with how NOT to interact with someone who's suffering from severe depression.  Having been on both sides of this (my mom, who was about one step away from catatonic for years, and myself, who thankfully was never *quite* that bad), I'll add my two cents of advice.  For both me and my mom, often the most helpful thing when we were having a really bad day was just to have someone sit with us.  You don't have to deliberately make conversation, or try to distract the person, or talk through "issues" or anything like that.  Just watching a movie/TV with us, surfing the internet together, any kind of light interaction like that was immensely comforting at some deep primal level.  Luckily, my dad and my husband both kind of do this instinctively.  I didn't - I couldn't figure out how to relate to my mom during her bad periods, and it wasn't until I came down with the same thing that I really understood how to help her.  Admittedly, since my mom and I both have bipolar II, our bad days tend to be more unexplainable crying jags and suicidal thoughts, so it may be a little different from what you're seeing in your family member.  But I figured I'd share my coping strategy just in case.

As long as I'm on an anecdote roll, I can add my mom's experience to radarlove's question about ECT.  After going through every antidepressant, antipsychotic, and mood stabilizer in the book (and oodles of combinations of them), my mom was still essentially non-functional, so they sent her in for a series of ECT treatments.  They seemed to work pretty well on her.  It certainly didn't cure her, and she's still on a cocktail of about six meds, but the ECT did seem to provide kind of a kick-start to push her brain into a space where the meds could start to work.  She did have memory loss, though.  Some of it was probably a blessing (she says she doesn't really remember her worst periods), some of it weirdly sporadic (we're still finding random events from the past that she doesn't recall), and some of it really obnoxious (she would go out to the same grocery store she's gone to for 25 years and not remember where the house was located so she could get home).  YMMV, of course, but her experience seems to be fairly common.
 
2013-05-09 09:09:03 PM  
dat biatch sound cray
 
2013-05-09 09:09:21 PM  
Repressing your feelings because youve been made to feel ashamed when showing them... Not good, either. I cant ever show anger or that i am upset or peeved, "Hes going to kill me" my mother said. I was 12. Im 27 now. Dont dare really let much through. Too... Much everything. I have them, but...

At least my daily panic attacks stopped. Theres that. And i dont see the world as a pointless wasteland, just my future.
 
2013-05-09 09:09:25 PM  

Ethertap: I vividly remember getting my rage back.  All I did when I was depressed was sleep, everything else was just a fuzzy blob of people I had to interact with.  I was trying to sleep one night, I was desperate for sleep, since I'd been taken to a party the night before which turned into me driving people all over the place (airport etc...) and not sleeping for about 35 hours.  My roommates/friends were in the living room playing Mario party and every time i thought I was getting close to falling asleep they would make a noise that snapped me out of it.  I eventually raged out and burst out of my room screaming gibberish and ranting.

The next day I think I cried for about 10 hours straight thinking that I had just ruined my friendships (I had) and my life and just totally hating myself.  I took a day or two for me to fully realize that even though it was pretty negative, I was actually caring enough about something to be angry and upset about it, something I hadn't been able to do for a year and a half.

The thing that got me back on track was, oddly enough, getting a job a few weeks later - I latched onto it as a sense of purpose and a reason to care about something.  I burned myself out at work pretty quickly but it got me started back on the right track.

I have not felt truly depressed (I still get blue sometimes) in years but was always worried that it was right there, waiting to snatch me up again, when I fell in love with someone.  I didn't work out (unrequited) but loving someone was something I didn't even know I was capable of until it happened.

I've been pretty happy the last three years, managed to finish up a degree, get a career, and really start my life back up.  I know that my story is pretty tame compared to what many depression sufferers have gone through, but I kind of feel compelled to tell it.


Welcome back to the land of the living.  I'm glad you got better.

Oh, and I don't think much of your "friends" who would stop being friends with you just because you had one rage burst.  Especially when they were keeping you up when you were trying to sleep.

/Unless you hurt them physically or something.
 
2013-05-09 09:13:10 PM  

megarian: OgreMagi: megarian: musicmanboston: megarian: radarlove: megarian: radarlove: Okay, this is probably a longshot and I know that, but...does anyone in this thread have any experience with or know anyone who has experience with the use of ECT or Trans-cranial Electromagnets in the treatment of depression?

I do. I am an intern, though. What do you want to know?

Mainly, how effective is it in someone who has run the gamut of SSRIs and Tricyclics and such but for whom those only exacerbated the depression?  Also, how difficult is it to find someone qualified and reliable to do it, and can a fella like me make you, the taxpayer, foot the bill?

I wish I had a better answer:

It completely depends. As an intern, I see three things: a month or so before, the day of, and every week after until discharge. Most have wonderful results...more with the electromagnetic response than the ECT. The ECT are usually more of an overdose-of-barbiturate effect. The magnetic responses are delayed but they seems to be more long term. The ETCs are usually pretty far-gone...I would say half are catatonic before treatment. But I have seen 10 or so (out of the 30 or 40 ECTs that I have seen) make some serious, remarkable recovery. 7 that I know personally are doing very well and are actually a productive person now. The 'magnets have an even better outcome. This is not scientific, this is just what I have see. The 'magnets are doing well, but insurance is sort of a factor here. Out of the ~20 I have seen, 9 of them are extremely responsive, and 7 of them are out of inpatient care for the last 6 months when they usually go back for mental treatment within the next 2 months if discharge. The ECTs come back within a year or so. Less severe, but it happens.

just wanted to throw my 2 cents in here. my ex ended up getting ECT. after 3 suicide attempts and 4 hospitalizations in a 4 year period, her psych recommended it. i will say this to you, MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT THERE IS NOTHING ELSE LEFT UN ...


Are you trying to ruin my "asshole" reputation?  Stop that.

And you're still hot, even if you are crazy.  :D

/or is that you're hot because you are crazy?
//with me, it's hard to know
 
2013-05-09 09:13:16 PM  

Dinobot: Elandriel: Woo! My first green. :D

This is one of her heavier pieces but most of her other posts are absolutely hilarious. Much advised.

Honestly I don't care if she's "back" or not, just that she is okay. She disappeared fairly abruptly when she became depressed.

I noticed Boyfriend is not mentioned at all on this post nor the previous depression one.


There's a picture of him in this one. He found her crying on the floor before she found the corn.
 
2013-05-09 09:13:36 PM  
Wow being depressed sounds shiatty
 
2013-05-09 09:18:26 PM  
To support the fish analogy, in response to her, "my fish are dead." I'd offer: "yeah, my fish seem like they die sometimes too.  That's OK. You're OK. Lets go do some other things for awhile and check on your fish later. Maybe they're not dead."

/Get involved with something important in your life and you'll start to give a shait.
//and don't underestimate good therapy
 
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