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2013-05-09 08:31:23 PM
Yeah well I know it's fun for some of you Farkers to say DURR BOTH PARTIES ARE THE SAME HURRRR but the Republicans have really been farking up this country by opposing good progressive ideas simply to spite the the ruling party. It's really pathetic that people continue to keep voting for social conservatives, when we no longer have the luxury to be this gridlocked country anymore.
 
2013-05-09 08:32:38 PM

vernonFL: Its only the EPA. No big deal. The EPA sucks anyway. Just a lot of government red tape and regulations.


That has been a total failure.
Or are you arguing that they did a great job in this case?


Right?
 
2013-05-09 08:33:43 PM

Without Fail: The Republican Party is not better at cutting spending.
The Republican Party is not better at defending the country.
The Republican Party is not better at reducing the size of government.

All of these statement are easily documented facts.

So why do people vote for them?


Okay, if it is so easily to document those "facts", please do.
Citations?
Show your work.
Thank you
 
2013-05-09 08:37:03 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Bush was the superior choice.


The historical revisionism surrounding Bush and his successful rise from the shiatpile is beyond Rovian. Somebody got a steak and a BJ for coming up with that one. 10/10
 
2013-05-09 08:38:23 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Okay, if it is so easily to document those "facts", please do.
Citations?
Show your work.
Thank you


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2013-05-09 08:47:02 PM

impaler: tenpoundsofcheese: Okay, if it is so easily to document those "facts", please do.
Citations?
Show your work.
Thank you

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so you think the President is the dictator and creates all those policies?
Where do the spending bills originate?  For example the 2008 stimulus and other changes of $773B?
Which party was controlling spending since 2011?  You want to give 0bama credit for that?  LOL.
 
2013-05-09 08:48:54 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: so you think the President is the dictator and creates all those policies?


No, but he can veto them, and he has to approve them all.

Shift, deflect, etc.
 
2013-05-09 09:01:08 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: impaler: tenpoundsofcheese: Okay, if it is so easily to document those "facts", please do.
Citations?
Show your work.
Thank you

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so you think the President is the dictator and creates all those policies?
Where do the spending bills originate?  For example the 2008 stimulus and other changes of $773B?
Which party was controlling spending since 2011?  You want to give 0bama credit for that?  LOL.


Wait.. so You're actually admitting that Obama is NOT singlehandly responsible for every dime spent and every policy put in place? Or only when the outcome is positive? I just want to be clear on this..
 
2013-05-09 09:04:40 PM
Obstructionism for this administration means 'Not doing everything I want'.
 
2013-05-09 09:07:27 PM

randomjsa: Obstructionism for this administration means 'Not doing everything I want'.


Who do you think you are fooling?  They have more blocked votes than any party in HISTORY by almost DOUBLE...
 
2013-05-09 09:07:45 PM

Stroop: Wait.. so You're actually admitting that Obama is NOT singlehandly responsible for every dime spent and every policy put in place? Or only when the outcome is positive? I just want to be clear on this..


He's very clear. He wants it both ways, incompetent empty suit or dictator, depending on the situation.
 
2013-05-09 09:09:41 PM

shadow9d9: randomjsa: Obstructionism for this administration means 'Not doing everything I want'.

Who do you think you are fooling?  They have more blocked votes than any party in HISTORY by almost DOUBLE...


It's farking unreal. It's like they get off on looking like foolish douchebags. And they get worse every year.
 
2013-05-09 09:09:41 PM
It's not even accurate to say that the GOP is a relic of a bygone era. There never existed a time when the current GOP's policies would work or make any sense whatsoever. They're a cancerous cyst that grew out of actual conservative policies of past decades. Its policies and practices create a toxic political environment that affects not just the United States but the whole world.
 
2013-05-09 09:11:51 PM
What the f*ck do you mean WE think the President is a dictator!!??

It's the Dems who've been turning him into the minion of Satan all these years??

Really, you're gonna go with that??

It's actually the Democrats who all this time have constantly loudly hysterically screamed and wailed and pointed and thumped and pissed millions of gallons of stink all over the floor about Obama being a usurper, dijon mustard, aruuuuugula, BENGHAZI and teleprompters too!!??

Holy rabid syphilitic sh*tballs.
 
2013-05-09 09:18:13 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well what else is the minority part suppose to do?!


They are supposed to play the role of the loyal opposition.
 
2013-05-09 09:26:51 PM
Well, they're dealing with historic levels of Democratic incompetence.
 
2013-05-09 09:30:36 PM

Agneska: Well, they're dealing with historic levels of Democratic incompetence.


You got your talking points mixed up.  This week the Democrats are shoving their progressive agenda down America's throat.  It's next week that they're incompetent buffoons who can't do anything right.
 
2013-05-09 09:32:53 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: impaler: tenpoundsofcheese: Okay, if it is so easily to document those "facts", please do.
Citations?
Show your work.
Thank you

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 160x106]

[images1.dailykos.com image 377x252]

[www.washingtonpost.com image 454x504]

so you think the President is the dictator and creates all those policies?
Where do the spending bills originate?  For example the 2008 stimulus and other changes of $773B?
Which party was controlling spending since 2011?  You want to give 0bama credit for that?  LOL.


Just admit you have no idea how bills work and get on with your life.
 
2013-05-09 09:34:02 PM

randomjsa: Obstructionism for this administration means 'Not doing everything I want'.


Obstructionism for the GOP is "I hate the black guy and I will tank the entire economy to make him look bad"
 
2013-05-09 09:34:50 PM
I think the Republican party is bent on destroying themselves so they can resurrect the Whigs.
 
2013-05-09 09:39:09 PM

Stroop: tenpoundsofcheese: impaler: tenpoundsofcheese: Okay, if it is so easily to document those "facts", please do.
Citations?
Show your work.
Thank you

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 160x106]

[images1.dailykos.com image 377x252]

[www.washingtonpost.com image 454x504]

so you think the President is the dictator and creates all those policies?
Where do the spending bills originate?  For example the 2008 stimulus and other changes of $773B?
Which party was controlling spending since 2011?  You want to give 0bama credit for that?  LOL.

Wait.. so You're actually admitting that Obama is NOT singlehandly responsible for every dime spent and every policy put in place? Or only when the outcome is positive? I just want to be clear on this..


I never said otherwise.
 
2013-05-09 09:43:23 PM

Zeppelininthesky: randomjsa: Obstructionism for this administration means 'Not doing everything I want'.

Obstructionism for the GOP is "I hate the black guy and I will tank the entire economy to make him look bad"


And since the GOP got control of the House and has getting spending under control, how has that tanking of the economy been working out?
How has the Dow been?
How has employment been?

Oh yeah, after that historic shellacking in 2010 and the President had to deal with the GOP, everything totally tanked.
 
2013-05-09 09:44:58 PM

FlashHarry: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well what else is the minority part suppose to do?!

be the loyal opposition and put country ahead of party?

NAH.


Republicans think THIS America isn't the kind of America that they want. In fact, they hate this current form of America with a seething hate and would love to destroy it and replace it with their deranged totalitarian nightmare regime version of it as quickly as possible.

To borrow the line from Game of Thrones, the gop would burn down this country just so that they could be kings of the ashes.
 
2013-05-09 09:49:12 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Zeppelininthesky: randomjsa: Obstructionism for this administration means 'Not doing everything I want'.

Obstructionism for the GOP is "I hate the black guy and I will tank the entire economy to make him look bad"

And since the GOP got control of the House and has getting spending under control, how has that tanking of the economy been working out?
How has the Dow been?
How has employment been?

Oh yeah, after that historic shellacking in 2010 and the President had to deal with the GOP, everything totally tanked.


The GOP held the debt ceiling hostage. The US credit rating was lowered and the GOP were singled out as the cause. Every bill having to do with jobs, education, infrastructure, and other issues that would help the economy were either filibustered, or not passed because they would make Obama look good. The filibustered the OWN farkING BILL.
 
2013-05-09 09:57:49 PM

remus: FlashHarry: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well what else is the minority part suppose to do?!

be the loyal opposition and put country ahead of party?

NAH.

Want to take odds what course the Dems take next time the pendulum swings and they are the minority?  (hint:  last time they obstructed too).  It's the game.  Both sides do it when they are in the minority.  Give up the holier than thou attitude.


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BOTH SIDES ARE BAD!
 
2013-05-09 10:10:11 PM

remus: FlashHarry: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well what else is the minority part suppose to do?!

be the loyal opposition and put country ahead of party?

NAH.

Want to take odds what course the Dems take next time the pendulum swings and they are the minority?  (hint:  last time they obstructed too).  It's the game.  Both sides do it when they are in the minority.  Give up the holier than thou attitude.


The Senate actions on cloture motions while the Democrats were in the minority between 1995 and 2006 were from 62 to 82 per two-year period for an average of 70.5.  The Senate actions since then, with the GOP in the minority, was 139, 137, and 115 per two-year period, for an average of 130 1/3.

So yeah, Democrats do filibuster.  But they haven't sworn to filibuster everything the way people like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul have.

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/cloture_motions/clotureCo un ts.htm
 
2013-05-09 10:10:34 PM

impaler: It's like they get off on looking like foolish douchebags.


Hey now, just because tenpoundsofcheese has a quirky fetish doesn't mean it's OK to make fun of him like that.
 
2013-05-09 10:13:34 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Zeppelininthesky: randomjsa: Obstructionism for this administration means 'Not doing everything I want'.

Obstructionism for the GOP is "I hate the black guy and I will tank the entire economy to make him look bad"

And since the GOP got control of the House and has getting spending under control, how has that tanking of the economy been working out?
How has the Dow been?
How has employment been?

Oh yeah, after that historic shellacking in 2010 and the President had to deal with the GOP, everything totally tanked.


Lulz. So if the Economy tanked, it was the Presidents fault. But now that the stock market is doing so well, the brave GOP was behind it all. Even though most of the Job growth was based on government spending. GOP Austerity and union busting had NOTHING to do with the economy. (See: Spain, Greece, etc.)

This is a wonderful backpedaling from what the GOP was saying last year on the Campaign trail. Of course, doubletalk is how the GOP operates these days on virtual any issue.
 
2013-05-09 10:15:06 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: The GOP really needs to do everything that 0bama wants.
That is why they were voted into office.
That was the whole point of the historic shellacking in the 2010 midterms, the 2012 House races and the wins in the state governorship.


Soooooo no debate, then.

Got it.
 
2013-05-09 10:19:55 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well what else is the minority part suppose to do?!


Work in the best interests of the people who elected them.

HOW DID YOU NOT KNOW THIS?

/The Republican Party isn't doing that.
 
2013-05-09 10:20:11 PM
♫ I'm just a bill, obstructed on Capitol Hill.  ♫
 
2013-05-09 10:35:53 PM

Zeppelininthesky: tenpoundsofcheese: Zeppelininthesky: randomjsa: Obstructionism for this administration means 'Not doing everything I want'.

Obstructionism for the GOP is "I hate the black guy and I will tank the entire economy to make him look bad"

And since the GOP got control of the House and has getting spending under control, how has that tanking of the economy been working out?
How has the Dow been?
How has employment been?

Oh yeah, after that historic shellacking in 2010 and the President had to deal with the GOP, everything totally tanked.

The GOP held the debt ceiling hostage. The US credit rating was lowered and the GOP were singled out as the one of thecauses.


Okay, so what was the impact of the US Credit Rating being lowered?

 Every bill having to do with jobs, education, infrastructure, and other issues that would help the economy were either filibustered, or not passed because they would make Obama look good.

Oh please, you mean like bills that gave us the Summer of Recovery (FAILED), the cash for clunkers (FAILED), the shovel ready jobs (FAILED), the Green Energy Investments (FAILED, FAILED and FAILED again).  There has been NOTHING stopped that would have helped the economy.  The credit rating downgrade had to do with the out of control spending which the GOP got under control by stopping these failed programs from losing even more money.

The filibustered the OWN farkING BILL.
I have no idea what you are saying.
 
2013-05-09 10:39:23 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Okay, so what was the impact of the US Credit Rating being lowered?


Tremendous. The Dow is doing well, but perhaps if all sections of the economy grew faster and the GOP were not obstructionists holding on to the dying embers of Austerity, No Taxes on the Wealthy and Reaganomics, we'd actually could afford the infrastructure this country needs to continue across the board wealth for all Americans for decades to come. (See what infrastructure PLUS a great economy did for the US in the 50's and 60's.)
 
2013-05-09 10:40:27 PM

The Lone Gunman: remus: FlashHarry: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well what else is the minority part suppose to do?!

be the loyal opposition and put country ahead of party?

NAH.

Want to take odds what course the Dems take next time the pendulum swings and they are the minority?  (hint:  last time they obstructed too).  It's the game.  Both sides do it when they are in the minority.  Give up the holier than thou attitude.

The Senate actions on cloture motions while the Democrats were in the minority between 1995 and 2006 were from 62 to 82 per two-year period for an average of 70.5.  The Senate actions since then, with the GOP in the minority, was 139, 137, and 115 per two-year period, for an average of 130 1/3.

So yeah, Democrats do filibuster.  But they haven't sworn to filibuster everything the way people like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul have.


Funny that you would compare a group (the Democrats) to just two outspoken members (Cruz and Paul) and you have to lie about their position.
(or do you have a citation where they swore to filibuster everything?)

Did you ever think that there were several Democrats who were as vocal of filibusters back when they were in the minority?  (careful.  this is a trick question designed to trap you).
 
2013-05-09 10:45:03 PM

Job Creator: So why do people vote for them?

Because Jesus


Wrong, plenty of Christians vote Democratic.
/I have for years.
 
2013-05-09 10:47:19 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Did you ever think that there were several Democrats who were as vocal of filibusters back when they were in the minority? (careful. this is a trick question designed to trap you).


So when the other guy does it, doing it three times as bad is better for the republic how?
 
2013-05-09 10:53:44 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Zeppelininthesky: tenpoundsofcheese: Zeppelininthesky: randomjsa: Obstructionism for this administration means 'Not doing everything I want'.

Obstructionism for the GOP is "I hate the black guy and I will tank the entire economy to make him look bad"

And since the GOP got control of the House and has getting spending under control, how has that tanking of the economy been working out?
How has the Dow been?
How has employment been?

Oh yeah, after that historic shellacking in 2010 and the President had to deal with the GOP, everything totally tanked.

The GOP held the debt ceiling hostage. The US credit rating was lowered and the GOP were singled out as the one of thecauses.

Okay, so what was the impact of the US Credit Rating being lowered?

 Every bill having to do with jobs, education, infrastructure, and other issues that would help the economy were either filibustered, or not passed because they would make Obama look good.

Oh please, you mean like bills that gave us the Summer of Recovery (FAILED), the cash for clunkers (FAILED), the shovel ready jobs (FAILED), the Green Energy Investments (FAILED, FAILED and FAILED again).  There has been NOTHING stopped that would have helped the economy.  The credit rating downgrade had to do with the out of control spending which the GOP got under control by stopping these failed programs from losing even more money.

The filibustered the OWN farkING BILL.
I have no idea what you are saying.

You have no idea what you are saying.


http://www.standardandpoors.com/ratings/articles/en/us/?assetID=12453 1 6529563">http://www.standardandpoors.com/ratings/articles/en/us/?asse tID=124531 6529563

They directly blame the GOP for downgrading the credit rating. This is because the GOP held it hostage to get tax cuts.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/06/democrats-watch-in-awe-as-mcco nn ell-filibusters-himself/

Mconnell filibusters himself because the Senate may actually work with him on what he proposed.
 
2013-05-09 10:54:59 PM

themindiswatching: More like we're stopping you irresponsible farks from spending this country into ruin.


weknowmemes.com
 
2013-05-09 10:58:02 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: The Lone Gunman: remus: FlashHarry: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well what else is the minority part suppose to do?!

be the loyal opposition and put country ahead of party?

NAH.

Want to take odds what course the Dems take next time the pendulum swings and they are the minority?  (hint:  last time they obstructed too).  It's the game.  Both sides do it when they are in the minority.  Give up the holier than thou attitude.

The Senate actions on cloture motions while the Democrats were in the minority between 1995 and 2006 were from 62 to 82 per two-year period for an average of 70.5.  The Senate actions since then, with the GOP in the minority, was 139, 137, and 115 per two-year period, for an average of 130 1/3.

So yeah, Democrats do filibuster.  But they haven't sworn to filibuster everything the way people like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul have.

Funny that you would compare a group (the Democrats) to just two outspoken members (Cruz and Paul) and you have to lie about their position.
(or do you have a citation where they swore to filibuster everything?)

Did you ever think that there were several Democrats who were as vocal of filibusters back when they were in the minority?  (careful.  this is a trick question designed to trap you).


A record of every filibuster by year:

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/cloture_motions/113.htm

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/cloture_motions/112.htm

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/cloture_motions/111.htm

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/cloture_motions/110.htm

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/cloture_motions/109.htm
 
2013-05-09 11:00:37 PM
Also: "We lowered our long-term rating on the U.S. because we believe that the prolonged controversy over raising the statutory debt ceiling and the related fiscal policy debate indicate that further near-term progress containing the growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or on reaching an agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and will remain a contentious and fitful process. We also believe that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration agreed to this week falls short of the amount that we believe is necessary to stabilize the general government debt burden by the middle of the decade."
 
2013-05-09 11:01:43 PM

remus: FlashHarry: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well what else is the minority part suppose to do?!

be the loyal opposition and put country ahead of party?

NAH.

Want to take odds what course the Dems take next time the pendulum swings and they are the minority?  (hint:  last time they obstructed too).  It's the game.  Both sides do it when they are in the minority.  Give up the holier than thou attitude.


Uh, not like to "Fatal Attraction" levels.  Sorry, but what Dems did wasn't even in the same time zone as what the GOP's done.
 
2013-05-09 11:02:28 PM

randomjsa: Obstructionism for this administration means 'Not doing everything I want'.


Hey look, projection from you.  Also: Water wet, sky blue.
 
2013-05-09 11:06:16 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: This doesn't even make sense! They were elected too. Should they just roll over and let things they know are a bad idea go though?!


But it's NOT just bad ideas. It's good ideas too. It's EVERYTHING. They couldn't even get a medical bill passed for the first responders on 9/11!! That's like the most patriotic bill ever and should have been rubber-stamped with 100% approval. They shot down the firefighters and police officers suffering from asthma and cancer from helping people on 9/11. How do you justify obstructing something like that? I can't think of anything more unAmerican.

That's right: The GOP hates America. They've always hated America, they only care about themselves and they'll filibuster like a 3-year old throwing a tantrum on the floor until they get their way.
 
2013-05-09 11:08:47 PM

Hobodeluxe: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]
The top two Republicans in Congress informed President Obama on Thursday that they will refuse to fulfill their duty under the Affordable Care Act to recommend members of a new board with the power to contain Medicare spending.


Sounds like grounds for impeachment.
 
2013-05-09 11:33:24 PM

Ishkur: That's right: The GOP hates America. They've always hated America, they only care about themselves and they'll filibuster like a 3-year old throwing a tantrum on the floor until they get their way.

 
2013-05-09 11:40:06 PM
They're the Congressional equivalent of those "sovereign citizen" assholes - they have a terminal case of "you're not the boss of me" syndrome, and so will continue to obstruct what the rest of the country not only wants, but has voted into law.

They're the most un-American assholes I've seen lately, and that's saying something given the Boston Marathon bombings.
 
2013-05-09 11:41:27 PM
Marcus Aurelius:
I still believe that the Democrats to some degree have an interest in governing.  The GOP, on the other hand, farks everything up on purpose and then says "See? government doesn't work!".  That's the fundamental difference.

'Party of Bad Ideas' vs 'Party of No Ideas'

Pick your poison.
 
2013-05-09 11:43:37 PM
Y'all really think cheese is gonna click on any of your dirty Marxist liberal links?
 
2013-05-09 11:51:38 PM
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) sad Republicans still had questions they wanted McCarthy to answer.

Well Libs, I was in the meeting and here's a transcript

McConnell: ARE YOU A LIB
McCarthy: Define Lib
McConnell: YOU'RE A LIB
McCarthy: Sure
McConnell: LIB
McCarthy: Ok
McConnell: WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT BENGHAZI
McCarthy: Probably as much as you do Senator
McConnell: YOU'RE A LIB AND YOU'RE HIDING SOMETHING BENGHAZI IS A SCANDAL
McCarthy: What does this have to do with the EPA
McConnell: LIB
McCarthy: Do you know what the EPA is
McConnell: I'LL ASK THE QUESTIONS LIB ARE YOU AWARE YOUR NAME IS MCCARTHY
McCarthy: And?
McConnell: JOSEPH MCCARTHY HE WAS A COMMUNIST SAME THING AS OBAMA HE'S A SOCIALIST
McCarthy: Are we done
McConnell: LIB

as you can see, completely unqualified. Nice try libs.
 
2013-05-10 12:09:28 AM

whidbey: A Dark Evil Omen: Bush was the superior choice.

The historical revisionism surrounding Bush and his successful rise from the shiatpile is beyond Rovian. Somebody got a steak and a BJ for coming up with that one. 10/10


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