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(NJ.com)   It's confirmed, the TCNJ student that last month left her purse for identification on the George Washington Bridge before she jumped off did in fact jump off the bridge   (nj.com ) divider line 96
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2013-05-09 04:57:59 PM  
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Huh, I thought only ugly people jumped off bridges.
 
2013-05-09 05:21:40 PM  
Oh, well, congrats on successful plan then
 
2013-05-09 05:36:19 PM  
For all you believers - Cheney is alive and this girl is dead.

No god: confirmed.
 
2013-05-09 05:36:41 PM  
She believed she could fly.
She believed she could touch the sky.
She thought about it every day.
Slipped her bonds and flew away.
She spread her wings and soared.
Took a leap off that bridge railing.
She believed she could fly.
She believed she could fly.
Splat.
 
2013-05-09 05:37:51 PM  
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2013-05-09 05:37:59 PM  
White people's problems?
J/k I always wanted to know what the fark would make someone want to kill themselves and hurt their family
 
2013-05-09 05:39:01 PM  
Jeez, a month in the Hudson. Yeccch.
I kayak a lot and I am always afraid I'll find a floater.
 
2013-05-09 05:42:06 PM  
. . . is the really news when you find someone from Jersey floating in a river?
 
2013-05-09 05:42:14 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: White people's problems?
J/k I always wanted to know what the fark would make someone want to kill themselves and hurt their family



Mental disease is a terrible thing to go through, and it manifests itself most commonly in the early 20s.
 
2013-05-09 05:42:42 PM  

Maud Dib: Jeez, a month in the Hudson. Yeccch.
I kayak a lot and I am always afraid I'll find a floater.


Gal I know rowed women's crew on the Hudson...her first week, they found a floater.

A change of pace from the regular masturbating trenchcoat flasher guys on shore, at least...
 
2013-05-09 05:42:43 PM  

blatz514: Huh, I thought only ugly people jumped off bridges.


No, ugly people live under bridges
 
2013-05-09 05:47:35 PM  

Mazzic518: blatz514: Huh, I thought only ugly people jumped off bridges.

No, ugly people live under bridges


Well they have to get there first.
 
2013-05-09 05:55:26 PM  
I don't usually invest any attention on "Missing White Girls", but this one bothers me. Mostly because it sounds to me that she was pushed by a pair of over-achieving dolts who most likely placed a titanic-sized amount of pressure on her to "succeed". She's been described as "driven"- I'll bet that it was actually the PARENTS who were driven and transferred that to her. Fark, Capt. of the tennis team, accepted to NINE law schools... she probably wanted to be a farking vet or cut hair. But no- that wouldn't be enough for them.
 
2013-05-09 05:56:52 PM  
The circumstances that led to her being found in the Hudson River a month later remain under investigation.

Let me clear that part up for you.
Someone saw a body floating in the river.

/investigation closed
 
2013-05-09 05:59:22 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: White people's problems?
J/k I always wanted to know what the fark would make someone want to kill themselves and hurt their family


You could do a little reading up on depression. Then you wouldn't have to "always wonder."

Wouldn't have to make ignorant public comments, either.

/seriously, there are only like fifteen million websites about it.
 
2013-05-09 05:59:45 PM  

PunGent: Maud Dib: Jeez, a month in the Hudson. Yeccch.
I kayak a lot and I am always afraid I'll find a floater.

Gal I know rowed women's crew on the Hudson...her first week, they found a floater.

A change of pace from the regular masturbating trenchcoat flasher guys on shore, at least...


Where on the Hudson does she row?

/you know, for a friend
 
2013-05-09 06:00:03 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: White people's problems?
J/k I always wanted to know what the fark would make someone want to kill themselves and hurt their family


You get to a point where you believe that all you've ever brought your family is stress and disappointment; that you'll never be anything else to them. At that moment, it's easy to conclude your family will be better off without you. You're saving them from a lifetime of disappointment by removing yourself from the equation.
 
2013-05-09 06:01:36 PM  

darch: Fark, Capt. of the tennis team, accepted to NINE law schools... she probably wanted to be a farking vet or cut hair. But no- that wouldn't be enough for them.


That's a rather weird comment, since it's actually fairly hard to get into veterinary school.
 
2013-05-09 06:01:40 PM  
I'm glad they found the body for closure, because otherwise I was afraid she had wound up chained to a bed in some Cleveland sex dungeon.
 
2013-05-09 06:06:03 PM  
College officials are planning to honor Aiello during graduation ceremonies.

why?
 
2013-05-09 06:08:58 PM  

big_hed: drjekel_mrhyde: White people's problems?
J/k I always wanted to know what the fark would make someone want to kill themselves and hurt their family


Mental disease is a terrible thing to go through, and it manifests itself most commonly in the early 20s.


Having seen it first hand manifest itself in a person I had known for years in the few weeks leading up to college graduation was eye opening. We grappled with the decision for days before finally alerting the parents.

Keep an eye out on your friends college kids, those weeks before graduation can cause tremendous stress. And sometimes trigger mental illness
 
2013-05-09 06:08:59 PM  
Jesus God in Heaven, why'd you have to kill such hot snatch?

i40.tinypic.com

/It's a joke man. Geez, people are so serious.
 
2013-05-09 06:09:16 PM  

Krieghund: darch: Fark, Capt. of the tennis team, accepted to NINE law schools... she probably wanted to be a farking vet or cut hair. But no- that wouldn't be enough for them.

That's a rather weird comment, since it's actually fairly hard to get into veterinary school.


I'm aware of that. My point is that she might have wanted to do something else with her life, but her type-A parents had other ideas.
 
2013-05-09 06:09:21 PM  

Twist2005: drjekel_mrhyde: White people's problems?
J/k I always wanted to know what the fark would make someone want to kill themselves and hurt their family

You get to a point where you believe that all you've ever brought your family is stress and disappointment; that you'll never be anything else to them. At that moment, it's easy to conclude your family will be better off without you. You're saving them from a lifetime of disappointment by removing yourself from the equation.


Or, in a moment of anger, you believe that they're to blame for all of your ills. That killing yourself will "show them" or something. Or you do it just because you feel that you're suffering so much that death will be a nicer alternative, and that you're so small in the world that it won't be a big deal that you're gone. People can rationalize just about anything.

That being said, can I take a moment to note that suicide has not been officially ruled as the cause of death? I mean, it's obviously the most likely thing, but the article even says that the police are still investigating. I know it's silly to suggest "maybe she tripped, maybe she was being stupid and hanging over the side, maybe she was pushed", but let's please stop the jumping to conclusions.
 
2013-05-09 06:10:56 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [theelephantgun.files.wordpress.com image 299x156]


Dude, what's up with that?
Do you have some beef with her that's not apparent from TFA?
 
2013-05-09 06:16:37 PM  

Twist2005: drjekel_mrhyde: White people's problems?
J/k I always wanted to know what the fark would make someone want to kill themselves and hurt their family

You get to a point where you believe that all you've ever brought your family is stress and disappointment; that you'll never be anything else to them. At that moment, it's easy to conclude your family will be better off without you. You're saving them from a lifetime of disappointment by removing yourself from the equation.


My stepsister commit suicide last month.  She was in her low 30s, no history of depression or mental illness.  Much like this young woman she was showing some stress (work-related, she wanted to quit but they needed her income to pay the rent) and her mom was making meals and stuff for her and her husband to take some pressure off them (and she mentioned feeling guilty about that to her husband), but no one saw anything else.  The morning after a job performance review her husband woke up and found her hanging in the shower.  Mental illnesses can come on at any age, but the 20-40 range is pretty common.  Mix up some stress, some feeling trapped, and throw the brain chemistry out of whack at the same time and you unfortunately have a potentially lethal combination.
 
2013-05-09 06:16:47 PM  

thy crotch: College officials are planning to honor Aiello during graduation ceremonies.

why?


That is exactly what I was wondering. Why? She offed herself. What exactly are they honoring? Here is an idea, why not do something to help people with mental issues? People are freakin' dumb en masse, they just clearly miss opportunities to do anything of real benefit when it comes to tragedy.
 
2013-05-09 06:17:04 PM  
That is one heck of a popular bridge to suicide from - I think there has been at least 3 jumpers in my very recent memory.
I wonder if it is rivaling the Golden Gate for the deaths?

I saw a program recently about the feet in sneakers/ running shoes washing up on shore. Pretty certain that they came from suiciders. The feet break off on impact, apparently. I thought I should let you know that if you are sad and depressed, that's what happens. Don't do it. You'll break your feet off.
 
2013-05-09 06:21:42 PM  
Maybe she just didn't want to get her iPhone wet.
 
2013-05-09 06:22:00 PM  
Aiello would have graduated from TCNJ in Ewing next week.

I hope her family can get at least a partial refund for the money wasted on her education.
 
2013-05-09 06:30:09 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: White people's problems?
J/k I always wanted to know what the fark would make someone want to kill themselves and hurt their family


The desire not to hurt my family and loved ones has always been my primary reason not to consider suicide.
 
2013-05-09 06:32:31 PM  

Gilligann: Aiello would have graduated from TCNJ in Ewing next week.

I hope her family can get at least a partial refund for the money wasted on her education.


They are getting her diploma. It's what they paid for. As someone mentioned upthread the school is honoring her...WTF. Honor the ones who hung around to drop candles off at the vigil.
 
2013-05-09 06:38:20 PM  

Nidstang: The morning after a job performance review her husband woke up and found her hanging in the shower.


Goddamn man, I'm honestly sorry to hear that.
 
2013-05-09 06:38:26 PM  

softshoes: Gilligann: Aiello would have graduated from TCNJ in Ewing next week.

I hope her family can get at least a partial refund for the money wasted on her education.

They are getting her diploma. It's what they paid for. As someone mentioned upthread the school is honoring her...WTF. Honor the ones who hung around to drop candles off at the vigil.


There is no honor in suicide. Unless she's a Klingon
 
2013-05-09 06:40:28 PM  

DumbAmerican: Here is an idea, why not do something to help people with mental issues?


Like show them that the world cares about other people in similar situation?

I'm not saying there's nothing else that could be done, but this doesn't seem worthless, and the cost is pretty low.
 
2013-05-09 06:40:38 PM  
As a graduate of TCNJ (back when was still called Trenton State College), I am not getting a kick out of this article.
 
2013-05-09 06:40:45 PM  
The body wasn't identified as "Sarah Manning" by any chance, was it? 'Cuz if so... um... might want to check again.
 
2013-05-09 06:42:53 PM  
Nidstang:

My stepsister commit suicide last month.  She was in her low 30s, no history of depression or mental illness.  Much like this young woman she was showing some stress (work-related, she wanted to quit but they needed her income to pay the rent) and her mom was making meals and stuff for her and her husband to take some pressure off them (and she mentioned feeling guilty about that to her husband), but no one saw anything else.  The morning after a job performance review her husband woke up and found her hanging in the shower.  Mental illnesses can come on at any age, but the 20-40 range is pretty common.  Mix up some stress, some feeling trapped, and throw the brain chemistry out of whack at the same time and you unfortunately have a potentially lethal combination.

That's horrible.  I'm so sorry
 
2013-05-09 06:44:45 PM  

Gilligann: softshoes: Gilligann: Aiello would have graduated from TCNJ in Ewing next week.

I hope her family can get at least a partial refund for the money wasted on her education.

They are getting her diploma. It's what they paid for. As someone mentioned upthread the school is honoring her...WTF. Honor the ones who hung around to drop candles off at the vigil.

There is no honor in suicide. Unless she's a Klingon


Christ, what have you done?
 
2013-05-09 06:58:48 PM  

Honest Bender: drjekel_mrhyde: White people's problems?
J/k I always wanted to know what the fark would make someone want to kill themselves and hurt their family

The desire not to hurt my family and loved ones has always been my primary reason not to consider suicide.


When you're in the depths of suicidal depression, the desire to not hurt your family and loved ones becomes your primary reason to do it.
 
2013-05-09 07:03:20 PM  

Gilligann: There is no honor in suicide. Unless she's a Klingon


Around the time and place of Yeshua bin Yussuf, there was a small sect of ascetic Jews for whom the greatest mitzvah (blessing) one could perform was to allow one's self to starve to death.
 
2013-05-09 07:07:09 PM  

hardinparamedic: She believed she could fly.
She believed she could touch the sky.
She thought about it every day.
Slipped her bonds and flew away.
She spread her wings and soared.
Took a leap off that bridge railing.
She believed she could fly.
She believed she could fly.
Splat

splash.

FTFY
 
2013-05-09 07:12:50 PM  

Gilligann: There is no honor in suicide.


So someone who throws herself on a grenade to save his platoon, knowing that doing so is certain death, has no honor? A man who dashes in front of a car to shove a child to safety and dies in the effort ... he should be viewed with derision?

/in before "suicide is the coward's way out"
 
2013-05-09 07:14:50 PM  

GungFu: That is one heck of a popular bridge to suicide from - I think there has been at least 3 jumpers in my very recent memory.
I wonder if it is rivaling the Golden Gate for the deaths?

I saw a program recently about the feet in sneakers/ running shoes washing up on shore. Pretty certain that they came from suiciders. The feet break off on impact, apparently. I thought I should let you know that if you are sad and depressed, that's what happens. Don't do it. You'll break your feet off.


Yeah, though. Wiki says 18 last year. Not quite the widowmaker of the Golden Gate, but still crazy shiat.
 
2013-05-09 07:33:17 PM  

darch: I don't usually invest any attention on "Missing White Girls", but this one bothers me. Mostly because it sounds to me that she was pushed by a pair of over-achieving dolts who most likely placed a titanic-sized amount of pressure on her to "succeed". She's been described as "driven"- I'll bet that it was actually the PARENTS who were driven and transferred that to her. Fark, Capt. of the tennis team, accepted to NINE law schools... she probably wanted to be a farking vet or cut hair. But no- that wouldn't be enough for them.


I was thinking how sad it was, but then this: "Aiello was last seen by her family after her father drove her home from classes on the afternoon of April 9. She then took her mother's car without permission..." made me think something really creepy was going on.  I am probably being horribly unfair to the parents, but what is a dad doing driving his 22 year old daughter home from classes?  Why does the phrase "without permission" appear when referencing her use of a family vehicle?
 
2013-05-09 07:45:36 PM  

Chupacabra Sandwich: GungFu: That is one heck of a popular bridge to suicide from - I think there has been at least 3 jumpers in my very recent memory.
I wonder if it is rivaling the Golden Gate for the deaths?

I saw a program recently about the feet in sneakers/ running shoes washing up on shore. Pretty certain that they came from suiciders. The feet break off on impact, apparently. I thought I should let you know that if you are sad and depressed, that's what happens. Don't do it. You'll break your feet off.

Yeah, though. Wiki says 18 last year. Not quite the widowmaker of the Golden Gate, but still crazy shiat.


I've been reading about them since the 70s, it's a high traffic bridge.

/grew up in the area
 
2013-05-09 07:55:26 PM  

The WindowLicker: darch: I don't usually invest any attention on "Missing White Girls", but this one bothers me. Mostly because it sounds to me that she was pushed by a pair of over-achieving dolts who most likely placed a titanic-sized amount of pressure on her to "succeed". She's been described as "driven"- I'll bet that it was actually the PARENTS who were driven and transferred that to her. Fark, Capt. of the tennis team, accepted to NINE law schools... she probably wanted to be a farking vet or cut hair. But no- that wouldn't be enough for them.

I was thinking how sad it was, but then this: "Aiello was last seen by her family after her father drove her home from classes on the afternoon of April 9. She then took her mother's car without permission..." made me think something really creepy was going on.  I am probably being horribly unfair to the parents, but what is a dad doing driving his 22 year old daughter home from classes?  Why does the phrase "without permission" appear when referencing her use of a family vehicle?


"Without permission" caught my eye as well, more like 12 not 22.  Why had she moved back home?  This sounds more like a L&O episode with an Asian parents hammering on a son/daughter to excel.  She even parked her mother's car and took the train and left here purse and cell so she could be "found".

Maybe she was just trying to get out of Jersey once and for all.
 
2013-05-09 07:57:01 PM  

abhorrent1: The circumstances that led to her being found in the Hudson River a month later remain under investigation.

Let me clear that part up for you.
Someone saw a body floating in the river.

/investigation closed


But that hasn't stopped all the conversation up on Choctaw Ridge
 
2013-05-09 07:59:53 PM  

Nidstang: Twist2005: drjekel_mrhyde: White people's problems?
J/k I always wanted to know what the fark would make someone want to kill themselves and hurt their family

You get to a point where you believe that all you've ever brought your family is stress and disappointment; that you'll never be anything else to them. At that moment, it's easy to conclude your family will be better off without you. You're saving them from a lifetime of disappointment by removing yourself from the equation.

My stepsister commit suicide last month.  She was in her low 30s, no history of depression or mental illness.  Much like this young woman she was showing some stress (work-related, she wanted to quit but they needed her income to pay the rent) and her mom was making meals and stuff for her and her husband to take some pressure off them (and she mentioned feeling guilty about that to her husband), but no one saw anything else.  The morning after a job performance review her husband woke up and found her hanging in the shower.  Mental illnesses can come on at any age, but the 20-40 range is pretty common.  Mix up some stress, some feeling trapped, and throw the brain chemistry out of whack at the same time and you unfortunately have a potentially lethal combination.


My deepest condolences to your family and in-laws.
 
2013-05-09 08:00:20 PM  

BiffSpiffy: The WindowLicker: darch: I don't usually invest any attention on "Missing White Girls", but this one bothers me. Mostly because it sounds to me that she was pushed by a pair of over-achieving dolts who most likely placed a titanic-sized amount of pressure on her to "succeed". She's been described as "driven"- I'll bet that it was actually the PARENTS who were driven and transferred that to her. Fark, Capt. of the tennis team, accepted to NINE law schools... she probably wanted to be a farking vet or cut hair. But no- that wouldn't be enough for them.

I was thinking how sad it was, but then this: "Aiello was last seen by her family after her father drove her home from classes on the afternoon of April 9. She then took her mother's car without permission..." made me think something really creepy was going on.  I am probably being horribly unfair to the parents, but what is a dad doing driving his 22 year old daughter home from classes?  Why does the phrase "without permission" appear when referencing her use of a family vehicle?

"Without permission" caught my eye as well, more like 12 not 22.  Why had she moved back home?  This sounds more like a L&O episode with an Asian parents hammering on a son/daughter to excel.  She even parked her mother's car and took the train and left here purse and cell so she could be "found".

Maybe she was just trying to get out of Jersey once and for all.



Sounds like she'd been on the edge for a while, since she'd moved back home and everything. Her folks may not have trusted her to drive for fear she'd commit suicide via a nice, one-car "accident".
 
2013-05-09 08:06:15 PM  
One GG Bridge suicide that stuck in my mind was a local talk show host who got into a series of bad investments, then turned to counterfeiting a famous ball player's jersey in order to recoup. He somehow knew he was busted and did his swan dive. The station ran a benefit for his widow who was left saddled his money problems.

Not good. And from what survivors have testified, hitting the water from 200 ft elevation deck is painful.
 
2013-05-09 08:21:14 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Gilligann: There is no honor in suicide.

So someone who throws herself on a grenade to save his platoon, knowing that doing so is certain death, has no honor? A man who dashes in front of a car to shove a child to safety and dies in the effort ... he should be viewed with derision?


Yes that's exactly what I said....moran
 
2013-05-09 08:23:17 PM  

The WindowLicker: darch: I don't usually invest any attention on "Missing White Girls", but this one bothers me. Mostly because it sounds to me that she was pushed by a pair of over-achieving dolts who most likely placed a titanic-sized amount of pressure on her to "succeed". She's been described as "driven"- I'll bet that it was actually the PARENTS who were driven and transferred that to her. Fark, Capt. of the tennis team, accepted to NINE law schools... she probably wanted to be a farking vet or cut hair. But no- that wouldn't be enough for them.

I was thinking how sad it was, but then this: "Aiello was last seen by her family after her father drove her home from classes on the afternoon of April 9. She then took her mother's car without permission..." made me think something really creepy was going on.  I am probably being horribly unfair to the parents, but what is a dad doing driving his 22 year old daughter home from classes?  Why does the phrase "without permission" appear when referencing her use of a family vehicle?


Yeah, you two have me thinking that this is a case of cracking under parental pressure.
 
2013-05-09 08:34:21 PM  

BiffSpiffy: Maybe she was just trying to get out of Jersey once and for all.


How fast was this car?


The WindowLicker: I was thinking how sad it was, but then this: "Aiello was last seen by her family after her father drove her home from classes on the afternoon of April 9. She then took her mother's car without permission..." made me think something really creepy was going on.  I am probably being horribly unfair to the parents, but what is a dad doing driving his 22 year old daughter home from classes?  Why does the phrase "without permission" appear when referencing her use of a family vehicle?


I think you are reading too much into this. She probably didn't have a car so Dad drove her home after the semester was over. Then she didn't ask before using Mom's car. I am an adult and still ask if I am going to borrow my dad's car. Not that I would need to, but I don't read anything into "without permission" other than she didn't ask. Just common courtesy in my mind, no more no less. My kids visit and fly in, they ask me if they can use the car.
 
2013-05-09 08:37:01 PM  

tb tibbles: One GG Bridge suicide that stuck in my mind was a local talk show host who got into a series of bad investments, then turned to counterfeiting a famous ball player's jersey in order to recoup. He somehow knew he was busted and did his swan dive. The station ran a benefit for his widow who was left saddled his money problems.

Not good. And from what survivors have testified, hitting the water from 200 ft elevation deck is painful.


One thing I've always heard from survivors of bridge dives is that the moment they're falling, they suddenly have the epiphany that things weren't worth dying over, and that they regret ever taking that step off.
 
2013-05-09 08:40:06 PM  

hardinparamedic: tb tibbles: One GG Bridge suicide that stuck in my mind was a local talk show host who got into a series of bad investments, then turned to counterfeiting a famous ball player's jersey in order to recoup. He somehow knew he was busted and did his swan dive. The station ran a benefit for his widow who was left saddled his money problems.

Not good. And from what survivors have testified, hitting the water from 200 ft elevation deck is painful.

One thing I've always heard from survivors of bridge dives is that the moment they're falling, they suddenly have the epiphany that things weren't worth dying over, and that they regret ever taking that step off.


Maybe that's why they survive. Their body has ways to shut that down.
 
2013-05-09 08:49:55 PM  

lacydog: That being said, can I take a moment to note that suicide has not been officially ruled as the cause of death? I mean, it's obviously the most likely thing, but the article even says that the police are still investigating. I know it's silly to suggest "maybe she tripped, maybe she was being stupid and hanging over the side, maybe she was pushed", but let's please stop the jumping to conclusions.



Yeah, let's not ALL jump on the bandwagon.
 
2013-05-09 08:52:18 PM  

hardinparamedic: tb tibbles: One GG Bridge suicide that stuck in my mind was a local talk show host who got into a series of bad investments, then turned to counterfeiting a famous ball player's jersey in order to recoup. He somehow knew he was busted and did his swan dive. The station ran a benefit for his widow who was left saddled his money problems.

Not good. And from what survivors have testified, hitting the water from 200 ft elevation deck is painful.

One thing I've always heard from survivors of bridge dives is that the moment they're falling, they suddenly have the epiphany that things weren't worth dying over, and that they regret ever taking that step off.


So for those that jump, and change their mind on the way down, is there anything they can do to increase the chance of surviving? Feet first? Head first? Cannonball?
 
2013-05-09 08:56:09 PM  

Honest Bender: drjekel_mrhyde: White people's problems?
J/k I always wanted to know what the fark would make someone want to kill themselves and hurt their family

The desire not to hurt my family and loved ones has always been my primary reason not to consider suicide.



I simply decided not to let a bunch of worthless losers win by getting rid of me.
 
2013-05-09 08:56:09 PM  

blatz514: [sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net image 250x244]

Huh, I thought only ugly people jumped off bridges.


Uh, your point is?
 
2013-05-09 09:04:20 PM  

Fano: Maybe that's why they survive. Their body has ways to shut that down.


Ouch. That allegory hurt as much as hitting the water at terminal velocity. :)
 
2013-05-09 09:05:42 PM  

unfarkingbelievable: blatz514: [sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net image 250x244]

Huh, I thought only ugly people jumped off bridges.

Uh, your point is?


I'm still alive?
 
2013-05-09 09:08:52 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Gilligann: There is no honor in suicide.

So someone who throws herself on a grenade to save his platoon, knowing that doing so is certain death, has no honor? A man who dashes in front of a car to shove a child to safety and dies in the effort ... he should be viewed with derision?

/in before "suicide is the coward's way out"


There's a difference between "suicide" and "self-sacrifice".  You might've done better if you'd gone with "man kills himself so family gets the insurance pay out.

Depends on the state/company, but most do, assuming you've had your policy for more than two years prior to self-termination.  Yes, I've looked into it...
 
2013-05-09 09:12:45 PM  
This is the sort of sticktoitiveness that will take her far in today's economy .
 
2013-05-09 09:14:17 PM  

hardinparamedic: tb tibbles: Not good. And from what survivors have testified, hitting the water from 200 ft elevation deck is painful.

One thing I've always heard from survivors of bridge dives is that the moment they're falling, they suddenly have the epiphany that things weren't worth dying over, and that they regret ever taking that step off.



In my whole life, I have never once heard anything about this.
 
2013-05-09 09:26:48 PM  

serialsuicidebomber: hardinparamedic: tb tibbles: Not good. And from what survivors have testified, hitting the water from 200 ft elevation deck is painful.

One thing I've always heard from survivors of bridge dives is that the moment they're falling, they suddenly have the epiphany that things weren't worth dying over, and that they regret ever taking that step off.


In my whole life, I have never once heard anything about this.


Achmed, is that you?

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2013-05-09 09:47:41 PM  

Loren: The WindowLicker: darch: I don't usually invest any attention on "Missing White Girls", but this one bothers me. Mostly because it sounds to me that she was pushed by a pair of over-achieving dolts who most likely placed a titanic-sized amount of pressure on her to "succeed". She's been described as "driven"- I'll bet that it was actually the PARENTS who were driven and transferred that to her. Fark, Capt. of the tennis team, accepted to NINE law schools... she probably wanted to be a farking vet or cut hair. But no- that wouldn't be enough for them.

I was thinking how sad it was, but then this: "Aiello was last seen by her family after her father drove her home from classes on the afternoon of April 9. She then took her mother's car without permission..." made me think something really creepy was going on.  I am probably being horribly unfair to the parents, but what is a dad doing driving his 22 year old daughter home from classes?  Why does the phrase "without permission" appear when referencing her use of a family vehicle?

Yeah, you two have me thinking that this is a case of cracking under parental pressure.


Listen, we could be wrong, but our supposition sure feels right. I knew a couple of kids like that growing up- type-A parents, "learning" camps in the summer instead of regular camp, honors courses IN MIDDLE SCHOOL, nothing less than A's accepted, etc. I remember watching them and thinking "when are they gonna crack?". Not sure if they ever did but I am sure that much $ was spent on therapy through the years.
 
2013-05-09 10:09:14 PM  

serialsuicidebomber: Honest Bender: drjekel_mrhyde: White people's problems?
J/k I always wanted to know what the fark would make someone want to kill themselves and hurt their family

The desire not to hurt my family and loved ones has always been my primary reason not to consider suicide.


I simply decided not to let a bunch of worthless losers win by getting rid of me.


At my really low moments, that thought saw me through.
 
2013-05-09 10:10:18 PM  
serialsuicidebomber:

One thing I've always heard from survivors of bridge dives is that the moment they're falling, they suddenly have the epiphany that things weren't worth dying over, and that they regret ever taking that step off.


In my whole life, I have never once heard anything about this.


There was a good documentary on it.  NPR, This American Life, perhaps?  It featured an interview with a survivor, in which he detailed his "What did I just do!?!" moment.

It came out shortly after the kid on the field trip jumped off (to show off) and survived.
 
2013-05-09 10:12:27 PM  
Hurting my family is never the reason I consider suicide, it's one of the things that prevents it.

For me, it offers a definitive end of pain, it trades the potential for improvement, in the future, for the guarantee of nothingness.

To some of us, that's a very fair trade.
 
2013-05-09 10:17:43 PM  
Apparently, the most recent Hyperbole and a Half does a good job explaining depression, and what it feels like.
 
2013-05-09 10:19:49 PM  

Gilligann: ArcadianRefugee: Gilligann: There is no honor in suicide.

So someone who throws herself on a grenade to save his platoon, knowing that doing so is certain death, has no honor? A man who dashes in front of a car to shove a child to safety and dies in the effort ... he should be viewed with derision?

Yes that's exactly what I said....moran


Ah, the sensitivity of the thin-skinned. Can't stand being questioned without resorting to insults and not bothering to answer the question.

Now that is a lack of intelligence.
 
2013-05-09 10:24:47 PM  

RatMaster999: ArcadianRefugee: Gilligann: There is no honor in suicide.

So someone who throws herself on a grenade to save his platoon, knowing that doing so is certain death, has no honor? A man who dashes in front of a car to shove a child to safety and dies in the effort ... he should be viewed with derision?

/in before "suicide is the coward's way out"

There's a difference between "suicide" and "self-sacrifice".  You might've done better if you'd gone with "man kills himself so family gets the insurance pay out".


Self-sacrifice is still suicide; it's voluntarily ending one's own life prematurely. Just because it is done out of altruism, and not selfishness (or desperation) doesn't change that.

But that was the point; the nimrod above said "there is no honor in suicide" but some self-sacrifices show that he is completely and utterly wrong.

Though I am not sure if "man kills himself so family gets the insurance pay out" is honorable, even if it is self-sacrifice.
 
2013-05-09 10:35:25 PM  
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2013-05-09 11:08:23 PM  
Depression is a scary goddamn thing, and whatever doofus further up thread said they couldn't understand why people killed themselves, why don't you get off your lazy ass and research a little bit into what makes people suicidal.  I've lost a friend to suicide.....I wouldn't wish that feeling on my worst enemy's dog.  A part of me wishes I'd gone into psychiatry so that I could better understand what goes on inside the mind of someone struggling with a mental illness, because I don't think these people get anywhere near the amount of attention/help they need and deserve.
 
2013-05-10 12:02:24 AM  

Twist2005: drjekel_mrhyde: White people's problems?
J/k I always wanted to know what the fark would make someone want to kill themselves and hurt their family

You get to a point where you believe that all you've ever brought your family is stress and disappointment; that you'll never be anything else to them. At that moment, it's easy to conclude your family will be better off without you. You're saving them from a lifetime of disappointment by removing yourself from the equation.


my mother tended to do that to me but i never thought of suicide as an out. well that one time but the finality of it all was enough to stop that right quick.
 
2013-05-10 12:17:31 AM  

Nidstang: My stepsister commit suicide last month.


I'm so sorry.  My condolences.
 
2013-05-10 12:39:11 AM  

DumbAmerican: thy crotch: College officials are planning to honor Aiello during graduation ceremonies.

why?

That is exactly what I was wondering. Why? She offed herself. What exactly are they honoring? Here is an idea, why not do something to help people with mental issues? People are freakin' dumb en masse, they just clearly miss opportunities to do anything of real benefit when it comes to tragedy.


It's a college graduation. By "honor" they mention her name in absentiaand then move on to the few hundred remaining names who are actually sitting there.
 
2013-05-10 12:47:19 AM  

Do the needful: BiffSpiffy: Maybe she was just trying to get out of Jersey once and for all.

How fast was this car?


The WindowLicker: I was thinking how sad it was, but then this: "Aiello was last seen by her family after her father drove her home from classes on the afternoon of April 9. She then took her mother's car without permission..." made me think something really creepy was going on.  I am probably being horribly unfair to the parents, but what is a dad doing driving his 22 year old daughter home from classes?  Why does the phrase "without permission" appear when referencing her use of a family vehicle?

I think you are reading too much into this. She probably didn't have a car so Dad drove her home after the semester was over. Then she didn't ask before using Mom's car. I am an adult and still ask if I am going to borrow my dad's car. Not that I would need to, but I don't read anything into "without permission" other than she didn't ask. Just common courtesy in my mind, no more no less. My kids visit and fly in, they ask me if they can use the car.


I'm in my thirties and I don't borrow a car from my parents without asking. It's a courtesy to ask before you use something that belongs to someone else. And if you ask it ensures that no one else had planned to use it only to go to the driveway and not find it.
 
2013-05-10 12:48:49 AM  

kindms: dua


7 - 8 billion humans and counting, we dont need the self-offers.  in fact, give families a tax break  to encourage more of it.  farking losers.  oh i'm so sad, i have a car and a house and 3 boyfriends buying ne shiat every day, have never gone a day without food and i will live some cushy yuppy life with a well paying byuy totally non contributing corporate feel good job and never even break a sweat unless i go to yoga-pilates-taibo.  but i am so sad my life just sucks ! well,  good riddance biatch.
 
2013-05-10 01:36:18 AM  
darch:I knew a couple of kids like that growing up- type-A parents, "learning" camps in the summer instead of regular camp, honors courses IN MIDDLE SCHOOL, nothing less than A's accepted, etc. I remember watching them and thinking "when are they gonna crack?". Not sure if they ever did but I am sure that much $ was spent on therapy through the years.

In my case it was about my sophomore year of college.  I pretty much said "farkit" and stopped going to classes.
 
2013-05-10 01:51:50 AM  
Re: taking the car "without permission"...it's not uncommon, if there's some kind of high-powered sports car, or antique, or similar vehicle in the garage, to exclude a teen or young adult driver from that vehicle so you don't get really hammered on insurance rates, or, in some cases, so you can insure the vehicle at all.   Not all insurance companies will permit this kind of exclusion, figuring that sooner or later the kid is going to get his hands on the keys anyway, and you also have to be darn certain that the kid is NEVER going to operate that particular vehicle.

Hell, this was even a plot point in the film  Risky Business, where the whole thing starts when Tom Cruise takes his dad's Porsche 928 out without permission.  (He was allowed to use the station wagon if he needed a car for anything while they were gone.)  So, "you can use that car, but not this one" is not an uncommon circumstance in lots of households, I would imagine.
 
2013-05-10 01:52:01 AM  

Mimic_Octopus: kindms: dua

7 - 8 billion humans and counting, we dont need the self-offers.  in fact, give families a tax break  to encourage more of it.  farking losers.  oh i'm so sad, i have a car and a house and 3 boyfriends buying ne shiat every day, have never gone a day without food and i will live some cushy yuppy life with a well paying byuy totally non contributing corporate feel good job and never even break a sweat unless i go to yoga-pilates-taibo.  but i am so sad my life just sucks ! well,  good riddance biatch.


Irony...
 
2013-05-10 01:56:05 AM  
Does anyone know how the judges scored her dive?
 
2013-05-10 02:07:47 AM  

Mimic_Octopus: kindms: dua

7 - 8 billion humans and counting, we dont need the self-offers.  in fact, give families a tax break  to encourage more of it.  farking losers.  oh i'm so sad, i have a car and a house and 3 boyfriends buying ne shiat every day, have never gone a day without food and i will live some cushy yuppy life with a well paying byuy totally non contributing corporate feel good job and never even break a sweat unless i go to yoga-pilates-taibo.  but i am so sad my life just sucks ! well,  good riddance biatch.


3/10

You'll get some bites, but the exclamation point out of place is a dead giveaway. Keep trying Sparky.
 
2013-05-10 02:45:42 AM  
You guys read one article then start dreaming up these scenarios of why she jumped. This place is turning into Reddit with all this speculation.
 
2013-05-10 03:15:51 AM  

CokeBear: hardinparamedic: tb tibbles: One GG Bridge suicide that stuck in my mind was a local talk show host who got into a series of bad investments, then turned to counterfeiting a famous ball player's jersey in order to recoup. He somehow knew he was busted and did his swan dive. The station ran a benefit for his widow who was left saddled his money problems.

Not good. And from what survivors have testified, hitting the water from 200 ft elevation deck is painful.

One thing I've always heard from survivors of bridge dives is that the moment they're falling, they suddenly have the epiphany that things weren't worth dying over, and that they regret ever taking that step off.

So for those that jump, and change their mind on the way down, is there anything they can do to increase the chance of surviving? Feet first? Head first? Cannonball?




Skip to around 53:20
 
2013-05-10 03:16:33 AM  

matthew_tray: Mimic_Octopus: kindms: dua

7 - 8 billion humans and counting, we dont need the self-offers.  in fact, give families a tax break  to encourage more of it.  farking losers.  oh i'm so sad, i have a car and a house and 3 boyfriends buying ne shiat every day, have never gone a day without food and i will live some cushy yuppy life with a well paying byuy totally non contributing corporate feel good job and never even break a sweat unless i go to yoga-pilates-taibo.  but i am so sad my life just sucks ! well,  good riddance biatch.

3/10

You'll get some bites, but the exclamation point out of place is a dead giveaway. Keep trying Sparky.


I would have thought that, too, before I moved to San Diego.

People actually think like that.  I doubt this is a troll.
 
2013-05-10 03:24:30 AM  

CokeBear: hardinparamedic: tb tibbles: One GG Bridge suicide that stuck in my mind was a local talk show host who got into a series of bad investments, then turned to counterfeiting a famous ball player's jersey in order to recoup. He somehow knew he was busted and did his swan dive. The station ran a benefit for his widow who was left saddled his money problems.

Not good. And from what survivors have testified, hitting the water from 200 ft elevation deck is painful.

One thing I've always heard from survivors of bridge dives is that the moment they're falling, they suddenly have the epiphany that things weren't worth dying over, and that they regret ever taking that step off.

So for those that jump, and change their mind on the way down, is there anything they can do to increase the chance of surviving? Feet first? Head first? Cannonball?


Face down, body parallel to the water, limbs spread out as far as possible, mouth open.
 
2013-05-10 10:57:27 AM  

brimed03: You could do a little reading up on depression. Then you wouldn't have to "always wonder."

Wouldn't have to make ignorant public comments, either.

/seriously, there are only like fifteen million websites about it.


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2013-05-10 11:38:02 AM  

4NTLRZ: brimed03: You could do a little reading up on depression. Then you wouldn't have to "always wonder."

Wouldn't have to make ignorant public comments, either.

/seriously, there are only like fifteen million websites about it.

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-10 points from Hufflepuff for wildly inappropriate use of gotabadass.jpg
 
2013-05-10 02:25:21 PM  

Do the needful: I think you are reading too much into this. She probably didn't have a car so Dad drove her home after the semester was over. Then she didn't ask before using Mom's car. I am an adult and still ask if I am going to borrow my dad's car. Not that I would need to, but I don't read anything into "without permission" other than she didn't ask. Just common courtesy in my mind, no more no less. My kids visit and fly in, they ask me if they can use the car.


This is the solid counterpoint.  If her father was driving her home from school at the end of the semester, that seems relatively normal.  If he has been driving her to and from classes regularly, then that seems odd.

I would never have used my parents vehicle without asking, but it is not a phrase that would ever appear in a news article.  I would like to think that my parents would not be focusing on the fact that I took the car without permission.  My hope is that the reporter asked if she had asked permission to use the vehicle, and that it was not what they were dwelling on.  xx

I feel horrible for her family.  We are sharing our observations about what stands out as odd to us in the article, but they are dealing with the death of their daughter.  The last thing I would want to do, is blame them for killing their daughter.  She made the decision of her own volition to kill herself.  I am sure they all wish that she had chosen differently, but nobody in that family pushed her off the bridge.
 
2013-05-10 03:55:43 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Gilligann: ArcadianRefugee: Gilligann: There is no honor in suicide.

So someone who throws herself on a grenade to save his platoon, knowing that doing so is certain death, has no honor? A man who dashes in front of a car to shove a child to safety and dies in the effort ... he should be viewed with derision?

Yes that's exactly what I said....moran

Ah, the sensitivity of the thin-skinned. Can't stand being questioned without resorting to insults and not bothering to answer the question.

Now that is a lack of intelligence.


I was thinking the same thing, although I doubt we're talking about the same person.
 
2013-05-10 03:57:14 PM  

The WindowLicker: Do the needful: I think you are reading too much into this. She probably didn't have a car so Dad drove her home after the semester was over. Then she didn't ask before using Mom's car. I am an adult and still ask if I am going to borrow my dad's car. Not that I would need to, but I don't read anything into "without permission" other than she didn't ask. Just common courtesy in my mind, no more no less. My kids visit and fly in, they ask me if they can use the car.

This is the solid counterpoint.  If her father was driving her home from school at the end of the semester, that seems relatively normal.  If he has been driving her to and from classes regularly, then that seems odd.

I would never have used my parents vehicle without asking, but it is not a phrase that would ever appear in a news article.  I would like to think that my parents would not be focusing on the fact that I took the car without permission.  My hope is that the reporter asked if she had asked permission to use the vehicle, and that it was not what they were dwelling on.  xx

I feel horrible for her family.  We are sharing our observations about what stands out as odd to us in the article, but they are dealing with the death of their daughter.  The last thing I would want to do, is blame them for killing their daughter.  She made the decision of her own volition to kill herself.  I am sure they all wish that she had chosen differently, but nobody in that family pushed her off the bridge.


Know how I know you've never been the kid of 2 Type-A overachievers?
 
2013-05-10 07:35:17 PM  
darch:
Know how I know you've never been the kid of 2 Type-A overachievers?

Oh I fully believe that people like that could have caused her to kill herself, I just don't want to claim that is the case based off of one crappy article on the internet.  I would rather under-accuse than over assign blame on the off chance that her parents are Not that type of people.  Their lives are crappy enough at the moment already.  I guess it is some twinge of conscience that I have come down with.
 
2013-05-11 01:43:30 AM  

The WindowLicker: darch:
Know how I know you've never been the kid of 2 Type-A overachievers?

Oh I fully believe that people like that could have caused her to kill herself, I just don't want to claim that is the case based off of one crappy article on the internet.  I would rather under-accuse than over assign blame on the off chance that her parents are Not that type of people.  Their lives are crappy enough at the moment already.  I guess it is some twinge of conscience that I have come down with.


I hear you and I hope to hell that I'm wrong but I've been following this one since its inception and... My conclusion is the only one that makes sense. Like I said above, I could be wrong- I HOPE I'm wrong... But I don't think I am.
 
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