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(Guardian)   State Department rejects the Benghazi criticism from its own senior diplomat Gregory Hicks, says he's full of sh*t about his demotion and his views of the event   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 292
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2013-05-09 02:05:05 PM
IOW, he's a lying sack of shiat that just torpedoed whatever career plans he had.
 
2013-05-09 02:16:56 PM

Rwa2play: IOW, he's a lying sack of shiat that just torpedoed whatever career plans he had.


Actually, I think he was auditioning for a position at Fox News. I'd say he passed with flying colors. What a complete piece of shiat.
 
2013-05-09 02:26:34 PM

The State Department was diplomatic about it. Foreign Policy has another take:


From an American diplomat, e-mailing Situation Report this morning: "Hicks is classic case of underachiever who whines when big breaks don't come his way. 22 years as an FSO and he is still an FS-1 (COL equivalent). His uninformed comments about F-16s validates why he is still a mid-ranked officer. Where was his testimony on his role in trying to talk his ambassador out of making an overnight visit to a place he knew was dangerous? Very few DCMs who lose an ambassador can expect greater responsibilities...and there are dozens of talented FS-1 ranked 'desk officers' working honorably at the State Department. Also of interest is that he is running for a senior leadership position in the State Dept. union/professional association, [American Foreign Service Association]. He didn't get my vote."
 
2013-05-09 02:59:50 PM
I did enjoy that in the Yahoo News article on this, they used a commentator from Hot Air as a source.
 
2013-05-09 03:00:25 PM
user.math.uzh.ch
 
2013-05-09 03:41:54 PM
This guy practically screams "TEABAGGER".
static.guim.co.uk
 
2013-05-09 03:42:41 PM
He did everything but wipe away a tear.
What a ham.
 
2013-05-09 03:44:12 PM

Marcus Aurelius: This guy practically screams "TEABAGGER".
[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]


yep, just phrenology it out
 
2013-05-09 03:44:45 PM

JerseyTim: The State Department was diplomatic about it. Foreign Policy has another take:
From an American diplomat, e-mailing Situation Report this morning: "Hicks is classic case of underachiever who whines when big breaks don't come his way. 22 years as an FSO and he is still an FS-1 (COL equivalent). His uninformed comments about F-16s validates why he is still a mid-ranked officer. Where was his testimony on his role in trying to talk his ambassador out of making an overnight visit to a place he knew was dangerous? Very few DCMs who lose an ambassador can expect greater responsibilities...and there are dozens of talented FS-1 ranked 'desk officers' working honorably at the State Department. Also of interest is that he is running for a senior leadership position in the State Dept. union/professional association, [American Foreign Service Association]. He didn't get my vote."


That's some serious poo-flinging right there.
 
2013-05-09 03:45:20 PM
Patrick Ventrell, the acting deputy press secretary at the State Department, said in an email that the failure of Hicks to find a satisfactory post was because he had cut short his Libyan assignment and that he was competing with colleagues of the same grade for future assignments. Ventrell said Hicks enjoyed the same pay and rank as before, and that a temporary post had been found for him pending possible reassignment elsewhere.

"The Department has not and will not retaliate against Mr. Hicks," said Patrick Ventrell, acting deputy spokesman for the State Department.

Hicks asked to be reassigned from Libya in the wake of the attack due to understandable family issues, said Mr. Ventrell. But that meant he was out of step with the annual assignment cycle. Finding a suitable post isn't always easy under such circumstances, he added.


God, what an attention whore.
 
2013-05-09 03:45:41 PM
Oh, so that demotion story was pure unadulterated bullshiat, eh?
 
2013-05-09 03:47:06 PM
The plot thickens. Clearly, Obama's goons have infiltrated the government!
 
2013-05-09 03:47:11 PM

theknuckler_33: Oh, so that demotion story was pure unadulterated bullshiat, eh?


Yeah, but it sure SOUNDS good.  So let's go with it!
 
2013-05-09 03:47:42 PM
Wow, Hicks tells the truth and the libs all come unglued like Hillary at a Congressional hearing. Woot!!! I love it.

What a bunch of sore losers. God, I hate Democrats.
 
2013-05-09 03:47:47 PM
Man, this is getting old. Go ahead and start the impeachment process and see how far it gets.
 
2013-05-09 03:48:26 PM

make me some tea: JerseyTim: The State Department was diplomatic about it. Foreign Policy has another take:
From an American diplomat, e-mailing Situation Report this morning: "Hicks is classic case of underachiever who whines when big breaks don't come his way. 22 years as an FSO and he is still an FS-1 (COL equivalent). His uninformed comments about F-16s validates why he is still a mid-ranked officer. Where was his testimony on his role in trying to talk his ambassador out of making an overnight visit to a place he knew was dangerous? Very few DCMs who lose an ambassador can expect greater responsibilities...and there are dozens of talented FS-1 ranked 'desk officers' working honorably at the State Department. Also of interest is that he is running for a senior leadership position in the State Dept. union/professional association, [American Foreign Service Association]. He didn't get my vote."

That's some serious poo-flinging right there.


As opposed to Hicks' testimony?
 
2013-05-09 03:49:27 PM
I keep seeing a lot of right-wing outrage in the comments on various websites about this whole Benghazi thing, but what the hell is the scandal?  All their theories don't make any sense.  Given the opportunity, we all know Dronebama would rain hellfire down on any brown people anywhere in that part of the world.  No sitting president would tell a strike team or the like to stand down if there was something they could have done.

The only thing I can think is that security was inadequate at the consulate on that day, a fact that we can blame on republicans who cut the state department budget for embassy security.

This whole thing is unnecessarily retarded, and the more this drags on the angrier I get at these idiots who keep trying to make it a scandal.

/Not related, but if Issa ever asked me any questions, I would simply ignore him and say "I don't respond to someone with the morals of a car-thief".
 
2013-05-09 03:49:48 PM
What did you expect? Christmas cards?
 
2013-05-09 03:50:13 PM

Pick: Wow, Hicks tells the truth and the libs all come unglued like Hillary at a Congressional hearing. Woot!!! I love it.

What a bunch of sore losers. God, I hate Democrats.


Don't let objective reality interfere with that hatred of yours!
 
2013-05-09 03:50:18 PM
Perhaps he was demoted because he stopped doing his job and instead chose to feed bullshiat to the GOP?
 
2013-05-09 03:51:14 PM
Ok, now they can shut the fark up about this.
/i know they won't, but i can hope.
 
2013-05-09 03:52:28 PM
When petty shiat like this starts happening, and we start giving validity on a Congressional level to paranoid and lunatic fantasies, it's hard not to see this country as deserving of a saturation bombing at the hands of one of this planet's much better nations.

We don't deserve this country.
 
2013-05-09 03:52:40 PM
Hicks, who had been deputy head of mission at the time of the Benghazi attack, claimed that special forces had been on their way to help the beleaguered diplomatic mission but had been stood down, a version disputed by the Obama administration and the Pentagon

Someone is lying. Now THAT would be a scandal if either the witness or his bosses are lying to Congress.
 
2013-05-09 03:52:41 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: What did you expect? Christmas cards?


Pointing out that someone who claimed under sworn testimony that they were demoted when in fact they weren't seems particularly relevant. Perhaps we can get Hicks back in front of that committe and have them ask him if he has received a cut in pay or rank?  Wouldn't you like to know that from his own mouth now?

/I know he's gone already
 
2013-05-09 03:52:57 PM

Rwa2play: IOW, he's a lying sack of shiat that just torpedoed whatever career plans he had.


But wait, the State Department said it wouldn't retaliate. Are you saying they're lying about that? In your view, what else are they lying about?
 
2013-05-09 03:53:09 PM
www.bitlogic.com
 
2013-05-09 03:53:50 PM

Skanque: I keep seeing a lot of right-wing outrage in the comments on various websites about this whole Benghazi thing, but what the hell is the scandal?


The president is a black dude
 
2013-05-09 03:53:51 PM
WTF is going on? This has been up on Fark for a full nine minutes, and only 20 comments ad hominen-ing this guy or other similar crap? I expected it to be in the low triple digits by now.

Where are all the shills my tax-dollars are paying for, is it a government holiday or something? Work your Farkers, work!

/BTW how are the benefits? Are they hiring?
 
2013-05-09 03:54:05 PM

theknuckler_33: make me some tea: JerseyTim: The State Department was diplomatic about it. Foreign Policy has another take:
From an American diplomat, e-mailing Situation Report this morning: "Hicks is classic case of underachiever who whines when big breaks don't come his way. 22 years as an FSO and he is still an FS-1 (COL equivalent). His uninformed comments about F-16s validates why he is still a mid-ranked officer. Where was his testimony on his role in trying to talk his ambassador out of making an overnight visit to a place he knew was dangerous? Very few DCMs who lose an ambassador can expect greater responsibilities...and there are dozens of talented FS-1 ranked 'desk officers' working honorably at the State Department. Also of interest is that he is running for a senior leadership position in the State Dept. union/professional association, [American Foreign Service Association]. He didn't get my vote."

That's some serious poo-flinging right there.

As opposed to Hicks' testimony?


Both.
 
2013-05-09 03:54:21 PM

Pick: Wow, Hicks tells the truth and the libs all come unglued like Hillary at a Congressional hearing. Woot!!! I love it.

What a bunch of sore losers. God, I hate Democrats.


Lithium.  Look into it.
 
2013-05-09 03:54:31 PM
And now that we get down to the "meat" of the Benghazi scandal we see what ridiculously thin soup it really is (and how laughable it is that  so many on the right want to try to make it out as an impeachment-worthy scandal).  In the final analysis, even if what this guy says is absolutely true, what this comes down to is second-guessing a command decision to commit or not commit troops to a combat situation.   Sorry, but that's not Congress' purview or really anyone elses'   We pay Obama and his executive staff the big bucks precisely because they have to make the hard calls.   Would that special forces unit have been able to arrive in time?  Were they a sufficent force to face down a rampaging mob?  With what casulty rate to themselves?  How about to the (at least partially) civilian mob attacking the consulate?  What damage would that have done to our relationship with the Libyans which was already badly strained because the CIA once tortured the now-leader or the new Libyan govenrment?   and Bluntly were four American lives worth all that?

That the complicated calculus the leaders of the world's most powerful military force has to make every day.  And just because you don;t happen to like that decision doesn;t mean it's somehow a "scandal"

(and don;t for a second pretend this is about the "cover-up" because there wasn;t one,  there was misinformation and an incomplete understanding of what happened that got corrected, publicly ASAP)
 
2013-05-09 03:55:11 PM

vernonFL: Hicks, who had been deputy head of mission at the time of the Benghazi attack, claimed that special forces had been on their way to help the beleaguered diplomatic mission but had been stood down, a version disputed by the Obama administration and the Pentagon

Someone is lying. Now THAT would be a scandal if either the witness or his bosses are lying to Congress.


Yeah, no doubt.

Of course, it's gotten so partisan I don't think it would matter either way in the court of public opinion should someone be prosecuted for it.
 
2013-05-09 03:55:16 PM

California Rep. Darrell Issa is already eyeing a massive expansion of oversight for next year, including hundreds of hearings; creating new subcommittees; and launching fresh investigations into the bank bailout, the stimulus and, potentially, health care reform.

Issa told POLITICO in an interview that he wants each of his seven subcommittees to hold "one or two hearings each week."

"I want seven hearings a week, times 40 weeks," Issa said.

Issa is also targeting some ambitious up-and-comers like Reps. Jason Chaffetz of Utah, Patrick McHenry of North Carolina and Jim Jordan of Ohio - all aggressive partisans - to chair some of his subcommittees.


It was a scandal two years before it happened.
 
2013-05-09 03:56:19 PM
Every time there is a Bengazi thread it makes me want a Bengali Tiger IPA. In fact, I think I will have one now.

i568.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-09 03:56:20 PM

Skanque: The only thing I can think is that security was inadequate at the consulate on that day, a fact that we can blame on republicans who cut the state department budget for embassy security.


And even assuming that to be true, what about the folks who went ahead and put people in there anyway knowing that the security was inadequate? Do they bear any responsibility, or is that reserved for people with (R)  by their names?
 
2013-05-09 03:57:04 PM

Skanque: The only thing I can think is that security was inadequate at the consulate on that day, a fact that we can blame on republicans who cut the state department budget for embassy security.


That would, it is sad to say, ultimately be the fault of Ambassador Stevens who is the chief of the mission there. To the extent security budgets were limited it would implicate both parties.   Keep in mind however, that the Obama administration actually (despite these 4 deaths) has a pretty farking phenomenal record on diplomatic security by any fair standard.

If they made any mistakes, it was speaking out too soon with information that was not properly verified.  Of course, the GOP would have attacked them for releasing information too slowly as well.  Either way, it was going to be labelled a cover-up by the GOP.
 
2013-05-09 03:57:27 PM

Headso: Skanque: I keep seeing a lot of right-wing outrage in the comments on various websites about this whole Benghazi thing, but what the hell is the scandal?

The president is a black dude


It's more than that - the reality is that Mr. Obama may have been black throughout this entire current administration, and the media is just now being forced to cover it.
 
2013-05-09 03:57:55 PM

Citrate1007: Perhaps he was demoted because he stopped doing his job and instead chose to feed bullshiat to the GOP?


He wasn't demoted but he did disrupt his own career path. Anyone who has worked for a large company for any length of time knows that a request for change of assignment can put you last in line for further requests.
 
2013-05-09 03:58:51 PM
Look this is all BULLshiat.  Obama ordered a stand down in Benghazi then went to bed early.   That was his prerogative as Commander-in-Chief.  NO SCANDAL HERE?
 
2013-05-09 03:58:55 PM

Magorn: (and don;t for a second pretend this is about the "cover-up" because there wasn;t one,  there was misinformation and an incomplete understanding of what happened that got corrected, publicly ASAP)


That's the part that tells me that there is no scandal here. Mistakes were made, things that were misunderstood at first are now understood, an independent analysis has been performed, we're told it's been corrected. What more is there to say about it?
 
2013-05-09 03:59:09 PM

vernonFL: Hicks, who had been deputy head of mission at the time of the Benghazi attack, claimed that special forces had been on their way to help the beleaguered diplomatic mission but had been stood down, a version disputed by the Obama administration and the Pentagon

Someone is lying. Now THAT would be a scandal if either the witness or his bosses are lying to Congress.


I think that may be why he didn't repeat the "compliment."
 
2013-05-09 03:59:24 PM
Is Benghazi a Fark tag yet?
 
2013-05-09 03:59:33 PM

MisterLoki: Every time there is a Bengazi thread it makes me want a Bengali Tiger IPA. In fact, I think I will have one now.

[i568.photobucket.com image 480x270]


That's some damn good beer.
 
2013-05-09 04:00:13 PM
Analysis: Gregory Hicks - a Foreign Service Officer and the former Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy in Libya - claimed during his pre-hearing testimony that fighter jets could have been flown over Benghazi, preventing the second wave of the attack from occurring. Ranking Member Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) questioned that statement, asking Hicks whether he disagreed with Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff Gen Martin Dempsey's assessment that no air assets were in range the night of the attack. Hicks didn't disagree, saying he was "speaking from [his] perspective" and what "veteran Libyan revolutionaries" told him, rather than Pentagon assessments.

If he's just voicing his opinion, that's fine. It just means that when it comes to military assessments, he's a civil service officer and we can take his views with appropriate skepticism. If this is what Pentagon is telling State, its what State is going to say about military deployments. If the House Republicans have a problem with that they should be asking the Joint Chiefs and former Sec Def Leon Panetta to testify.
 
2013-05-09 04:00:39 PM

jjorsett: Skanque: The only thing I can think is that security was inadequate at the consulate on that day, a fact that we can blame on republicans who cut the state department budget for embassy security.

And even assuming that to be true, what about the folks who went ahead and put people in there anyway knowing that the security was inadequate? Do they bear any responsibility, or is that reserved for people with (R)  by their names?


I'm pretty sure Stevens went to Benghazi on his own. It's not like Clinton or Obama ordered him to go there from Tripoli.  That really is the one thing I would love to come out of all this. If they really did know that the security situation in Benghazi was so tenuous, why did Stevens go there in the first place?
 
2013-05-09 04:00:57 PM

jjorsett: And even assuming that to be true, what about the folks who went ahead and put people in there anyway knowing that the security was inadequate? Do they bear any responsibility, or is that reserved for people with (R)  by their names?


As, Mrs. How already pointed out, Ambassador Stevens is the one who thought keeping the Benghazi consulate open despite the security risks.  But, hey, get up on that cross and complain how the R's are the persecuted while they hold endless witch-hunt hearings.  You guys are always crying about something.
 
2013-05-09 04:01:27 PM
Just remember that you and I are paying the salaries of all these people.
 
2013-05-09 04:02:12 PM

Diogenes: Is Benghazi a Fark tag yet?


The REAL scandal is that this is taking away from the birth certificate discussion. Why doesn't anyone want to look into that??????
 
2013-05-09 04:02:39 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-09 04:02:41 PM
I'm SOOOO glad this Kabuki play is still going on.... ugh
 
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