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(Deadspin)   Make your jokes about Joe Girardi and The Binder, but having Vernon Wells play third base and batting a pitcher 8th resulted in a Yankees win. All hail The Binder   (deadspin.com) divider line 36
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2013-05-09 03:41:53 PM
Managers should do this kind of crap more often. Not because it makes a difference, but for the entertainment value of it.

Here's an idea: if your starting pitcher is left-handed (say), put a right-handed pitcher in the outfield, and maybe have your knuckleballer* play first. Then swap them around according to the handedness of the batter, with the knuckleballer coming in for switch-hitters and every batter whose uniform number is prime.

A good idea? No, but it'd give the broadcasters something to talk about.

You should always have a knuckleballer on your pitching staff, something approximately 29 teams are negligent about. Ideally, you should also have an underhander and a switch-pitcher.
 
2013-05-09 04:26:41 PM

semiotix: Managers should do this kind of crap more often. Not because it makes a difference, but for the entertainment value of it.

Here's an idea: if your starting pitcher is left-handed (say), put a right-handed pitcher in the outfield, and maybe have your knuckleballer* play first. Then swap them around according to the handedness of the batter, with the knuckleballer coming in for switch-hitters and every batter whose uniform number is prime.

A good idea? No, but it'd give the broadcasters something to talk about.

*  You should always have a knuckleballer on your pitching staff, something approximately 29 teams are negligent about. Ideally, you should also have an underhander and a switch-pitcher.


So far the knuckle ball pitcher isn't working out for one team.  Though I firmly believe for things to improve as we get into the warmer weather.

I can pitch with either hand, but I'm far from MLB caliber.   In fact, I'm far from Chicago Cubs caliber.
 
2013-05-09 05:05:49 PM
Well, batting the pitcher 8th instead of 9th is, in general, a good managerial move, so...
 
2013-05-09 05:12:17 PM
I don't know how much credit Girardi deserves, but the Yankees are squeezing every last bit out of the roster they assembled on the fly when half their team went down with injuries. Vernon Wells and Travis Hafner contributing anything at all is more than I thought would happen, anyway. Something is definitely going right.
 
2013-05-09 05:14:09 PM
Managers have been doing that for decades. Earl Weaver used have flash cards. Casey Stengal had platoon matchups.
 
2013-05-09 05:21:29 PM
Binders full of Whiners
 
2013-05-09 05:22:09 PM

Outrageous Muff: Managers have been doing that for decades. Earl Weaver used have flash cards. Casey Stengal had platoon matchups.


Yogi Berra had good ol' fashioned country wisdom
 
2013-05-09 05:22:59 PM
I bet we will all feel stupid when we find out all that's in his binder is a print out of pork belly prices from the Chicago Mercantile Exchange at day's end on July 25th, 1985.
 
2013-05-09 05:41:39 PM
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2013-05-09 05:43:46 PM

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2013-05-09 05:45:19 PM

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2013-05-09 06:06:07 PM
Wasn't Vernon Wells the actor that played Bennett in Commando? Well I hope he was wearing his chain mail vest. DNRTFA, obviously.
 
2013-05-09 06:10:20 PM

Cagey B: I don't know how much credit Girardi deserves, but the Yankees are squeezing every last bit out of the roster they assembled on the fly when half their team went down with injuries. Vernon Wells and Travis Hafner contributing anything at all is more than I thought would happen, anyway. Something is definitely going right.


^dat
 
2013-05-09 06:23:52 PM

semiotix: Managers should do this kind of crap more often. Not because it makes a difference, but for the entertainment value of it.

Here's an idea: if your starting pitcher is left-handed (say), put a right-handed pitcher in the outfield, and maybe have your knuckleballer* play first. Then swap them around according to the handedness of the batter, with the knuckleballer coming in for switch-hitters and every batter whose uniform number is prime.

A good idea? No, but it'd give the broadcasters something to talk about.

*  You should always have a knuckleballer on your pitching staff, something approximately 29 teams are negligent about. Ideally, you should also have an underhander and a switch-pitcher.


so you are all for 6 hour or over game lengths?
 
2013-05-09 07:06:41 PM
Hey, Boone Logan came into a game and didn't immediately blow it! Madness!
 
2013-05-09 07:16:12 PM
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. And it's not like The Binder has been helping the Yankees win the World Series every year.
 
2013-05-09 07:20:08 PM

skinink: Even a broken clock is right twice a day. And it's not like The Binder has been helping the Yankees win the World Series every year.


Winning a World Series is -hard-. It is probably one of if not the hardest title in pro sports for a single team to win year in and out.

I've certainly had my problems with Girardi, but they've all been specific incidents as opposed to a methodology on a whole. I honestly can't think of anyone else in the game today I would rather manage the Yankees.
 
2013-05-09 07:36:59 PM

The Bestest: Winning a World Series is -hard-. It is probably one of if not the hardest title in pro sports for a single team to win year in and out.


Really?  Because the Giants have won 3 out of the last 4.

posted from the year 2014
 
2013-05-09 07:40:51 PM

The Bestest: Hey, Boone Logan came into a game and didn't immediately blow it! Madness!


Seriously. WTF is going on.
 
2013-05-09 07:44:45 PM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: so you are all for 6 hour or over game lengths?


Actually, if I recall correctly, a "new" pitcher under those circumstances doesn't get the whole warmup rigamarole each time he takes the mound, but only the first time. So it wouldn't extend the game all that much. The Mets tried it once, although they just sent two pitchers out in the late innings, not in the starting lineup. I don't know if they even switched the "relief" pitcher back out into the field.

But as a rule, yes, I am in favor of 6-hour games, if only to get the cost-per-hour of my nosebleed obstructed-view tickets down into the single digits.
 
2013-05-09 10:34:48 PM

Outrageous Muff: Managers have been doing that for decades. Earl Weaver used have flash cards. Casey Stengal had platoon matchups.


But it's the Yankees, and when they do it, it's different.  Just look at the usual suspects in the Yankees threads with their kneepads on.
 
2013-05-10 02:36:33 AM
semiotix: 'You should always have a knuckleballer on your pitching staff... ideally, you should also have an underhander and a switch-pitcher.'

I miss the 'odd' delivery pitchers that seem to have mostly gone from the game - I'd guess mostly because kids coming up through the ranks are groomed earlier out of bad habits and receive more cookie cutter type training. Yes there are a few that disguise their release point, and/or are great at disguising their change of speed, but...

I miss the Louis Tiant hesitation pitch. I loved seeing pitchers that could throw an excellent eephus pitch and watch batters dislocate both ankles trying to hit it. Or a Kent Tekulve submarine delivery.

/all that being said, imho the two best starting pitchers in my lifetime were both 'normal delivery' pitchers: Tom Seaver and Greg Maddux... so there's probably a reason it's gone the way it has. :>/
 
2013-05-10 03:08:31 AM
I_Am_Weasel:
So far the knuckle ball pitcher isn't working out for one team.  Though I firmly believe for things to improve as we get into the warmer weather.

I can pitch with either hand, but I'm far from MLB caliber.   In fact, I'm far from Chicago Cubs caliber.


A knuckle ball pitcher typically has problems with humidity.  The ball seems to hang and doesn't have the drop as the pitcher intends it to.
 
2013-05-10 03:09:01 AM

Tired_of_the_BS: I miss the 'odd' delivery pitchers that seem to have mostly gone from the game - I'd guess mostly because kids coming up through the ranks are groomed earlier out of bad habits and receive more cookie cutter type training. Yes there are a few that disguise their release point, and/or are great at disguising their change of speed, but...


Sometimes I wonder "what if..?"

In high school, I was one of those oddball pitchers, usually only used in relief. Twisty, gangly windup with a flailing, sidearm delivery. Coaches said I looked like a cartoon on the mound. Decent control and I wouldn't so much call it a "deceptive" delivery as I would "confusing". Problem was no power whatsoever and I was pretty much useless after a few batters got a good look at me, nevermind a second time through a lineup. Still, I always wonder if maybe I had a bit more strength or a couple more pitches that looked close enough to my usual junk how far I could've gone.
 
2013-05-10 03:18:43 AM
..also, it's by the slimmest of margins, but mark down May 9th.. Yankees in 1st!
 
2013-05-10 03:22:26 AM

The Bestest: ..also, it's by the slimmest of margins, but mark down May 9th.. Yankees in 1st!


.606 to .600, I'll take it!
 
2013-05-10 06:49:32 AM
Yankees playing real baseball without buying a free agent allstar at every position? The hail you say.
 
2013-05-10 09:59:56 AM

aNihilV10L8tr: Yankees playing real baseball without buying a free agent allstar at every position? The hail you say.


It almost makes me think how great it would be if the Yankees kept the current lineup and went all the way with it - what would the haters say about payroll then?
 
2013-05-10 10:11:39 AM
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2013-05-10 10:29:06 AM

idesofmarch: aNihilV10L8tr: Yankees playing real baseball without buying a free agent allstar at every position? The hail you say.

It almost makes me think how great it would be if the Yankees kept the current lineup and went all the way with it - what would the haters say about payroll then?


Wait till next year. Cleveland will have some players out-playing their contract after this years playoff run, Yank-offs will be able to pluck a few free and easy.

/you can have swisher back
 
2013-05-10 11:07:39 AM

LessO2: Outrageous Muff: Managers have been doing that for decades. Earl Weaver used have flash cards. Casey Stengal had platoon matchups.

But it's the Yankees, and when they do it, it's different.  Just look at the usual suspects in the Yankees threads with their kneepads on.


If you can't see the "WTF?" in the Yankees seizing first place thanks to the bats of Wells, Hafner, Overbay, and Youkilis, you haven't been paying attention.  Heck, Andy Pettite is 41, and still worth a rotation slot after coming out of retirement.  Even the vortex of suck surrounding Eduardo Nunez, Jayson Nix, and Chris Stewart (all of whom lead their position in PA) hasn't stopped them.

Either Girardi and his scouts are geniuses, or some serious voodoo is happening.
 
2013-05-10 11:10:41 AM

chimp_ninja: Heck, Andy Pettite is 41, and still worth a rotation slot after coming out of retirement.


AND missing a ton of last year due to an injury.

/Accept no substitutes.
 
2013-05-10 11:18:16 AM

chimp_ninja: Even the vortex of suck surrounding Eduardo Nunez, Jayson Nix, and Chris Stewart


heck, just Boone Logan has blown 3 of the Yankees' 13 losses.
The current lineup looks like a cross between the Charleston Riverdogs and Shady Oaks Retirement Palace, so their record despite it is nothing short of miraculous.
 
2013-05-10 02:11:51 PM

chimp_ninja: LessO2: Outrageous Muff: Managers have been doing that for decades. Earl Weaver used have flash cards. Casey Stengal had platoon matchups.

But it's the Yankees, and when they do it, it's different.  Just look at the usual suspects in the Yankees threads with their kneepads on.

If you can't see the "WTF?" in the Yankees seizing first place thanks to the bats of Wells, Hafner, Overbay, and Youkilis, you haven't been paying attention.  Heck, Andy Pettite is 41, and still worth a rotation slot after coming out of retirement.  Even the vortex of suck surrounding Eduardo Nunez, Jayson Nix, and Chris Stewart (all of whom lead their position in PA) hasn't stopped them.

Either Girardi and his scouts are geniuses, or some serious voodoo is happening.


If you took a moment to read the post I replied to and the context of my post, you'd realize that the record wasn't the point.

But if you get an erection over beating teams like The Blue Jays, Astros, Diamondbacks and The Rockies, that's your prerogative.
 
2013-05-10 03:42:48 PM

semiotix: The Mets tried it once, although they just sent two pitchers out in the late innings, not in the starting lineup. I don't know if they even switched the "relief" pitcher back out into the field.


The Mets had McDowell and Orosco alternating in the OF for four innings; they went back and forth several times, and would also switch to the OF corner where each batter was less likely to hit. Here's McDowell talking about it in 2008:

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080404&content_id =2 491867&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym">http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/ news/article.jsp?ymd=20080404&content_id=2 491867&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym
 
2013-05-10 11:21:57 PM
..and Girardi has just recorded his 500th win as Yankees manager
 
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