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(New York Daily News)   Reassuring news for NYC straphangers, critical parts of the subway system haven't been inspected in years - if ever   (nydailynews.com) divider line 48
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2013-05-09 02:43:00 PM
The Capital Project has only been in existence since 1984 IIRC, so I'm not real sure if they could've covered every inch of 500 miles of tunnel, steel and track.

Heck, only in 1999 did they do a full renovation on the tracks of the Williamsburg Bridge.  To say nothing of the nearly two decades they had to figure a way to make the tracks on the Manhattan Bridge not susceptible to the weather.
 
2013-05-09 02:43:04 PM
Ha, years ago I used to work at the office that generated this report (MTA OIG). This surprises me not one bit.
 
2013-05-09 02:45:13 PM
The moment this gets done, immediately expect the subway fare to increase again...

/Then again I do get data underground now at my train stop so at least they're trying.
 
2013-05-09 02:46:31 PM
I will inspect things that hang from straps ...

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d23 [TotalFark]
2013-05-09 02:51:05 PM
Well screw that.  We don't want JOB KILLING REGULATIONS!!@!@11

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We're going back to the feudal system.
 
2013-05-09 02:53:30 PM
If they have caused problems so far I am sure they are fine.
 
2013-05-09 02:57:45 PM
so glad I no longer commute to the city every day.
 
2013-05-09 03:00:54 PM
Can't they just get the C.H.U.Ds and the Mole People to keep an eye on things?
 
2013-05-09 03:02:26 PM

Rwa2play: The Capital Project has only been in existence since 1984 IIRC, so I'm not real sure if they could've covered every inch of 500 miles of tunnel, steel and track.

Heck, only in 1999 did they do a full renovation on the tracks of the Williamsburg Bridge.  To say nothing of the nearly two decades they had to figure a way to make the tracks on the Manhattan Bridge not susceptible to the weather.


The track geometry cars were supposed to cover every inch of rail every 3 years or so, and the most heavily used every 6 months, IIRC.

/great issue of IEEE Spectrum about the recovery of the system, essential reading
//April 1988
 
2013-05-09 03:04:28 PM

d23: Well screw that.  We don't want JOB KILLING REGULATIONS!!@!@11











We're going back to the feudal system.


You did very poorly on the analogy section of the SAT didn't you.
 
2013-05-09 03:05:16 PM
It's because of the ROUSes. I don't believe they exist.
 
2013-05-09 03:13:08 PM
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2013-05-09 03:15:55 PM

dallylamma: Can't they just get the C.H.U.Ds and the Mole People to keep an eye on things?


Nah, they're too unreliable.  The Ninja Turtles though...
 
2013-05-09 03:20:54 PM
Rwa2play: The Capital Project has only been in existence since 1984 IIRC, so I'm not real sure if they could've covered every inch of 500 miles of tunnel, steel and track.
Heck, only in 1999 did they do a full renovation on the tracks of the Williamsburg Bridge. To say nothing of the nearly two decades they had to figure a way to make the tracks on the Manhattan Bridge not susceptible to the weather.


And they did that after a piece of the roadway broke off leaving a hole in the car traffic lane.  I happened to be crossing on the pedestrian side heading towards Manhattan the day it happened watching the backed up traffic.  Most amusing thing was a guy who took off his shirt and was trying to get a tan in his convertible while waiting.
 
2013-05-09 03:22:23 PM
Arkanaut:  dallylamma: Can't they just get the C.H.U.Ds and the Mole People to keep an eye on things?
Nah, they're too unreliable.  The Ninja Turtles though...

Just give them a couple of pizzas.
 
2013-05-09 03:28:03 PM
If you see something take a photo and say something.
 
2013-05-09 03:37:36 PM

LegacyDL: The moment this gets done, immediately expect the subway fare to increase again...


Since when has the MTA gotten things "done"?
 
2013-05-09 03:43:51 PM

Hyggelig lurker: If you see something take a photo and say something.


heh heh....well played.
 
2013-05-09 03:45:10 PM

dallylamma: Can't they just get the C.H.U.Ds and the Mole People to keep an eye on things?


The CHUDs unionized back in '03 and still haven't agreed on a contract.
The Mole People were never reliable for any real work.
 
2013-05-09 03:53:40 PM

Shadune: dallylamma: Can't they just get the C.H.U.Ds and the Mole People to keep an eye on things?

The CHUDs unionized back in '03 and still haven't agreed on a contract.
The Mole People were never reliable for any real work.


Thanks a lot Obama!
 
2013-05-09 03:56:49 PM
I blame Reagan.
 
2013-05-09 03:58:21 PM
Maybe the inspectors are busy looking for Big Gulp cups and salt shakers in restaurants.
 
2013-05-09 03:58:47 PM

LegacyDL: The moment this gets done, immediately expect the subway fare to increase again...


You'll get over it. Come to DC sometime and see what we pay and what we get for it. The fare in NY, to go anywhere in the system, is what, $2? Cry me a river.
 
2013-05-09 03:59:05 PM
This is what happens when you defer 100 years of maintenance.
 
2013-05-09 04:01:41 PM

thornhill: This is what happens when you defer 100 years of maintenance.


As the DC Metro is finding out, only deferring a few decades worth can wind up leading to you having to rebuild the whole farking system.
 
2013-05-09 04:05:00 PM

cptjeff: LegacyDL: The moment this gets done, immediately expect the subway fare to increase again...

You'll get over it. Come to DC sometime and see what we pay and what we get for it. The fare in NY, to go anywhere in the system, is what, $2? Cry me a river.


Yeah, I don't have to commute downtown often, but the rush hour prices are ridiculous.

Ever gone to the Bethesda station?  It's awesome when both the escalator and elevator are out.

Yeah, I love how they take care of the Metro.

1.  Do nothing
2.  Wait for an accident that kills/injures people
3.  Fire the guy in charge
4.  See step 1
 
2013-05-09 04:08:03 PM
Americans might one day wake up to the fact they've been living in a low tax country with poor infrastructure investment and maintenance, and that the state of much of their country is now at the third world level.
 
2013-05-09 04:15:54 PM

VoiceOfReason499: Americans might one day wake up to the fact they've been living in a low tax country with poor infrastructure investment and maintenance, and that the state of much of their country is now at the third world level.


Jesus hates taxes and public works projects.
 
2013-05-09 04:16:24 PM
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2013-05-09 04:22:30 PM
Obvious tag is stuck between stations...
 
2013-05-09 04:23:31 PM

cptjeff: LegacyDL: The moment this gets done, immediately expect the subway fare to increase again...

You'll get over it. Come to DC sometime and see what we pay and what we get for it. The fare in NY, to go anywhere in the system, is what, $2? Cry me a river.


For better or for worse, until the 90s fare rates increased extremely slowly. From 1904 to 1948 it was just $0.05, and it didn't break $0.50 until 1980.

The MTA had planned to go to a contact-less card system by this year; obviously that never happened. And while I don't think it's been stated, I'm sure the longterm goal of the contact-less system is to have variable rates based on the length of the commute (which of course will squeeze low income people the most because they tend to have the longest commutes).

Here's my feeling on this: if we building $200 million bridges to nowhere in Alaska, then the MTA really deserves a bailout to cleanup its debt situation perform some long overdue maintenance.
 
2013-05-09 04:33:43 PM
They bought their metrocards, I say let 'em crash.
 
2013-05-09 04:35:59 PM

thornhill: Here's my feeling on this: if we building $200 million bridges to nowhere in Alaska, then the MTA really deserves a bailout to cleanup its debt situation perform some long overdue maintenance.


I'm all in favor of infrastructure investment, and certainly in favor of a lot of that money going to public transit. But the rest of the world is paying twice what you are, why should the rest of the country bail NYC subway riders out when they've been getting ridiculously cheap fares for decades? Prices should be matched to the costs, unless you want to subsidize it by other means. But that subsidy should come from the people in the region who benefit from it. You can't give everybody what is, for most systems, a discount fare, and then cry poor.
 
2013-05-09 04:43:12 PM

cptjeff: thornhill: Here's my feeling on this: if we building $200 million bridges to nowhere in Alaska, then the MTA really deserves a bailout to cleanup its debt situation perform some long overdue maintenance.

I'm all in favor of infrastructure investment, and certainly in favor of a lot of that money going to public transit. But the rest of the world is paying twice what you are, why should the rest of the country bail NYC subway riders out when they've been getting ridiculously cheap fares for decades?


Not the rest of the country.  Alaskans that voted for Sarah Palin.  I've no compunction about punishing them.
 
2013-05-09 05:03:29 PM

born_yesterday: cptjeff: LegacyDL: The moment this gets done, immediately expect the subway fare to increase again...

You'll get over it. Come to DC sometime and see what we pay and what we get for it. The fare in NY, to go anywhere in the system, is what, $2? Cry me a river.

Yeah, I don't have to commute downtown often, but the rush hour prices are ridiculous.

Ever gone to the Bethesda station?  It's awesome when both the escalator and elevator are out.

Yeah, I love how they take care of the Metro.

1.  Do nothing
2.  Wait for an accident that kills/injures people
3.  Fire the guy in charge
4.  See step 1


Amen. My company keeps offering me a post at one of our DC clients, whenever they show me the money I'll get Ill end up paying more and then some to go from Shady Grove to DC. Back when we wore onions on our belts we could go downtown for 2 bucks.
 
2013-05-09 05:14:09 PM
I read that as "stray-fang-ers".  I was sure that was a reference to feral cats but couldn't understand why they spelled fang with a ph,  Still it would be good news to feral cats there aren't inspections -- fewer humans interupting tunnel cat activities.

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/ Run!
 
2013-05-09 05:18:32 PM
Wait, you mean we have to maintain these subway system? I thought it was like Ronco...

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2013-05-09 06:11:06 PM
Old news. The subway system in NYC is fine. It has survived many years of continuous use.
 
2013-05-09 06:35:07 PM
Inspected?  Hell, we in Boston wish there were inspections.   The farking Andrew station hasn't been cleaned since it was farking built!  If there were inspections, the current contractor would have been farking fired.
 
2013-05-09 06:36:01 PM

VoiceOfReason499: Americans might one day wake up to the fact they've been living in a low tax country with poor infrastructure investment and maintenance, and that the state of much of their country is now at the third world level.


Clearly you have never seen the relentless march of New York tax bills.

Got a $100,000 shiatbox house upstate? That'll be five grand a year in property taxes for starters because fark you, that's why.
 
2013-05-09 06:59:25 PM
Still not the scariest thing about the New York subway system.
 
2013-05-09 07:23:33 PM
The easternmost platform of the BMT Chambers Street station was closed 82 years ago, and I'm convinced it hasn't been cleaned since then, much less inspected.
 
2013-05-09 10:57:12 PM

cptjeff: thornhill: Here's my feeling on this: if we building $200 million bridges to nowhere in Alaska, then the MTA really deserves a bailout to cleanup its debt situation perform some long overdue maintenance.

I'm all in favor of infrastructure investment, and certainly in favor of a lot of that money going to public transit. But the rest of the world is paying twice what you are, why should the rest of the country bail NYC subway riders out when they've been getting ridiculously cheap fares for decades? Prices should be matched to the costs, unless you want to subsidize it by other means. But that subsidy should come from the people in the region who benefit from it. You can't give everybody what is, for most systems, a discount fare, and then cry poor.


For one, there is a net flow of tax money out of NYC.
For two, the whole point of public transit in a dense city is to get private cars off the road. If the fare keeps inching upward more people will go back to their cars.
For three, there is no way vacuuming little bits of pocket money out of the working and middle class does not result in a net hit on the economy. If it costs $50 more to travel this month, that represents $50 less in restaurant trips, movie tickets, impulse shopping, etc. If its $7 both ways to go out and do something, broke people are probably gonna stay home all together. It just doesn't make sense to squeeze public transport.
 
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2013-05-09 10:58:44 PM
Dollars spent on public transit are net gains for society. It allows people to get to work cheaply. And these people are productive and pay taxes. Public money works here.
 
2013-05-09 11:20:39 PM

LiberalEastCoastElitist: cptjeff: thornhill: Here's my feeling on this: if we building $200 million bridges to nowhere in Alaska, then the MTA really deserves a bailout to cleanup its debt situation perform some long overdue maintenance.

I'm all in favor of infrastructure investment, and certainly in favor of a lot of that money going to public transit. But the rest of the world is paying twice what you are, why should the rest of the country bail NYC subway riders out when they've been getting ridiculously cheap fares for decades? Prices should be matched to the costs, unless you want to subsidize it by other means. But that subsidy should come from the people in the region who benefit from it. You can't give everybody what is, for most systems, a discount fare, and then cry poor.

For one, there is a net flow of tax money out of NYC.
For two, the whole point of public transit in a dense city is to get private cars off the road. If the fare keeps inching upward more people will go back to their cars.
For three, there is no way vacuuming little bits of pocket money out of the working and middle class does not result in a net hit on the economy. If it costs $50 more to travel this month, that represents $50 less in restaurant trips, movie tickets, impulse shopping, etc. If its $7 both ways to go out and do something, broke people are probably gonna stay home all together. It just doesn't make sense to squeeze public transport.


You want to subsidize it? Fine do that with NYC's own money. But NYC's transit system should not get a bailout from the Fed when other transit systems don't. I understand that there's an economic hit- but it would not be nearly enough to make people drive, with what parking runs in any big city. An increase from $4 round trip to $5 or $6 does not result in very many people paying $20 to park.

I get the desire to keep fares low, but keeping prices artificially low comes at a cost that somebody has to pay. Shiat isn't free. That extra cost you're incurring that other major transit systems don't should be paid by the people who benefit from those reduced fares. I don't want to be paying the full cost of riding the DC Metro while subsidizing you so you can ride the NYC Subway at half of the real cost. Either I pay half price too, and both systems get subsidies, or you pay the cost for your system or subsidize it locally.
 
2013-05-10 03:18:41 AM

LiberalEastCoastElitist: For one, there is a net flow of tax money out of NYC.


There's a net flow of tax money out of Wall Street and the Upper East Side. It's not Woodlawn, Flatbush and Astoria that are subsidizing the rest of the state.
 
2013-05-10 10:07:40 AM
Hyggelig lurker: If you see something take a photo and say something.

And get arrested for it.  Taking pictures of certain things, like switch boxes and such, can get you arrested.  but it could be worse, a few years back the MTA attempted to ban all picture taking in their system, like PATH still does, but they later backed down.
 
2013-05-10 05:33:06 PM

Latinwolf: Hyggelig lurker: If you see something take a photo and say something.

And get arrested for it.  Taking pictures of certain things, like switch boxes and such, can get you arrested.  but it could be worse, a few years back the MTA attempted to ban all picture taking in their system, like PATH still does, but they later backed down.


I would maybe cc Arnold Diaz or some shiat like that. I thing structural weaknesses are important to point out.

Especially when it is something like rotten I beams. What's the likelihood you're going to notice a bad switch box from the platform.
 
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