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2013-05-09 08:47:24 PM

Koodz: x1v16: I am going to use this traffic thread to ask people the following question: If there are signs indicating that one of 2 lanes will be ending in 2-3 miles due to construction do you have a legal/moral obligation to merge as soon as possible if traffic is backed up in a traffic jam in the remaining lane? I personally see 2-3 miles of traffic backed up, one empty lane, and think it stupid to not use the perfectly good lane to pass everyone. In my mind one should only merge as soon as possible if traffic was moving fast enough to make last minute merging a danger. Course some people get pissed off that I'm passing them and I even had someone driving half in one lane half in the other to try to keep people like me from passing them in that lane. So, anyone know the legality of using a lane until the last minute when instant merging is not required for safety?.

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It's not only legal, it's expected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_merge

Do NOT move over early.  Those people who are pissed off at you for passing them and congratulating themselves for being in the right lane are the source of the traffic jam.


Unfortunately, some people that late merge do it in such a hazardous way that they cut off the people in front of them, causing those people to apply the brakes.  Or they get to the very end of their lane and see that they cannot safely merge over while still maintaining speed.  So they stop and hope that there is a gap between cars and quickly accelerate and merge into that lane.  Of course the acceleration usually doesn't match up and this causes the car that is traveling straight to slow down to allow the person in.  Either case, causes a chain reaction that slows down the entire merged lane.
 
2013-05-09 08:52:35 PM

colon_pow: anyone driving faster than me is a maniac.
anyone driving slower than me is an idiot.

that is all.


+1
 
2013-05-09 09:11:38 PM
Good farking luck.  Getting the cops to pull anyone over for anything other than speeding (through a speed trap) or suspicion of DUI/DWB is nearly impossible.
 
2013-05-09 09:14:32 PM

Koodz: x1v16: I am going to use this traffic thread to ask people the following question: If there are signs indicating that one of 2 lanes will be ending in 2-3 miles due to construction do you have a legal/moral obligation to merge as soon as possible if traffic is backed up in a traffic jam in the remaining lane? I personally see 2-3 miles of traffic backed up, one empty lane, and think it stupid to not use the perfectly good lane to pass everyone. In my mind one should only merge as soon as possible if traffic was moving fast enough to make last minute merging a danger. Course some people get pissed off that I'm passing them and I even had someone driving half in one lane half in the other to try to keep people like me from passing them in that lane. So, anyone know the legality of using a lane until the last minute when instant merging is not required for safety?.

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It's not only legal, it's expected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_merge

Do NOT move over early.  Those people who are pissed off at you for passing them and congratulating themselves for being in the right lane are the source of the traffic jam.


Personally, there are 2 separate states that must be treated individually.

State #1: A lane is ending and you need to merge as late as possible using the zipper to make the traffic jam as shallow and wide as possible.  (And this is the bit you're asking about)
State #2: Your exit is backed up and you need to get over as early as possible to clear the road for the rest of us and make the jam as narrow as possible (accepting that the jam is going to be really long).  See my Rengstorff Road rant from up above where a 4 lane freeway is a giant traffic jam because the limitation is the left turn arrow at the exit and this backs up the entire 4 lane freeway.  At some point, Caltrans is going to have to come in and kick their asses into gear to redesign that whole area, because that backs up all the way past Palo Alto.
 
2013-05-09 09:18:12 PM

x1v16: I am going to use this traffic thread to ask people the following question: If there are signs indicating that one of 2 lanes will be ending in 2-3 miles due to construction do you have a legal/moral obligation to merge as soon as possible if traffic is backed up in a traffic jam in the remaining lane? I personally see 2-3 miles of traffic backed up, one empty lane, and think it stupid to not use the perfectly good lane to pass everyone. In my mind one should only merge as soon as possible if traffic was moving fast enough to make last minute merging a danger. Course some people get pissed off that I'm passing them and I even had someone driving half in one lane half in the other to try to keep people like me from passing them in that lane. So, anyone know the legality of using a lane until the last minute when instant merging is not required for safety?.

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Drive to the merge point and alternate.
 
2013-05-09 09:21:50 PM

meyerkev: State #2: Your exit is backed up and you need to get over as early as possible to clear the road for the rest of us and make the jam as narrow as possible (accepting that the jam is going to be really long).  See my Rengstorff Road rant from up above where a 4 lane freeway is a giant traffic jam because the limitation is the left turn arrow at the exit and this backs up the entire 4 lane freeway.


I was driving east through Chicago last holiday season, going east on I-90 and going to do the I-290 -> I-294 bypass around the city. The first exit after entering I-290 from 90 was very busy. Traffic backed up onto 290, down the entrance ramp from I-90, and caused 5mph bumper-to-bumper traffic on 3 lanes of I-90 for miles.
 
2013-05-09 10:35:40 PM

serial_crusher: Sidetrack: I think cars should have a "straight" signal as well as the turn signals.  That way when you're at an intersection you know whether the guy is actually going straight or whether he's some idiot who's just not signaling.


I don't know... I'm against it.
 
2013-05-09 11:51:00 PM
OH, quit whining and drive.

1. Trucks, at least in CA, have 1/2 mile to complete overtaking any other vehicle. If they can't or won't do it in that space, they can be cited. I've seen it happen.

2. Europeans are a lot more grown up about driving in my opinion - drive on the autostrada or the autobahn and see how laws regarding keeping right to yield to faster traffic are followed. They absolutely will not stand for people camping out in the "fast lane" unless they are doing 160 or so. (Maybe this had to change a bit due to increased traffic, but when I drove over there in the 70s it was very much the case)

3. All the dick waving about fast lanes, slow lanes, passing lanes is mainly a bunch of posturing by morons who, although they may have great eyesight and reflexes,rarely exercise any sort of good judgment while driving. Part of driving, like it or not, is LOOKING OUT FOR THE OTHER GUY. That haviing been said, SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT is the single rule that allows traffic to flow smoothly. Stay cool. Be patient when required. IF not, you will eventually stack it up and hopefully you will not kill anyone important. It's not a goddam game out there.

4. There was a time many years ago, when truckers were known as the "Knights of the Road" - if you broke down, they'd stop and help. That still happens, a little. Nowadays these guys have no time for little things like that. BUT they have 75000 or 80000 pounds and you got 2 tons. They can't handle like you, especially they can't stop on a dime, so try to remember that when your jamming the lane in front of them just in advance of stopped traffic. You may put yourself first in line for an unpleasant surprise. Likewise, passing a big rig on the right (called undertaking) is a dicey move. It's also a ticket on the autostrada.

5. Yes, you're going to get where you're going. Calm the hell down and maybe it won't be your final destination.
 
2013-05-10 12:21:14 AM

colon_pow: anyone driving faster than me is a maniac.
anyone driving slower than me is an idiot.

that is all.


Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got it George.
 
2013-05-10 12:40:54 AM
As a guy who sets his cruise control at about 7 under the speed limit and stays to the right, I find driving incredibly relaxing.

I'll see you guys on the commute tomorrow, I'll hit I-75 around 6:30. Be sure to wave hello!
 
2013-05-10 12:41:27 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: As a guy who thinks people who drive more than 5 or 10 over the speed limit are dangerous psychotics except in case of extreme emergency, This is an idea I can support.

The left lane is for people going the speed limit or slightly over.  Not for slow driving.


Kindly stay the fark out of Va. or at least out of the left lane.

The Code of Virginia §46.2-804 requires vehicles to be driven in the right lane, except when overtaking and passing other vehicles.
 
2013-05-10 03:37:55 AM
I like driving at the speed limit in the correct lane -- that would be the RIGHT lane -- because it's a completely legal way to annoy random strangers.
 
2013-05-10 04:15:48 AM
every day, taking Trop to get to work, motherf*ckers are going 35 in a 45.  every single day, taking Trop home, same f*cking thing.  no reason.  six lane road down the middle of town, day or night, 35 in a 45.  takes 30 minutes to go seven f*cking miles.

f*ck everyone in Vegas.

//if i take the 215, i eat 8 extra miles and it takes the same amount of time getting to and from work, again, day or night.  these twats just need to go the speed limit and everything would be fine.
 
2013-05-10 04:38:59 AM

bdm26: skozlaw: Well I use Mac/Linux...: is when you are in a line at a stoplight that has just turned green, and people leave like 6 to 8 car lengths in between themselves and the car in front of them

Oh, yea, forgot about that one:

19. The car in front of you isn't going to let out a huge burrito fart. CLOSE THE DAMN GAP, ASSHOLE, YOU'RE WASTING USABLE SPACE.

And also:

20. Don't block turns to your right when traffic comes to a stop at a light, dipshiats.


That's one of the most annoying things ever...Encounter it everyday on my drive home from work.

There's two lanes going the same direction and some idiot always is in the right lane at the stop light, only car there besides me behind them, with no one in the left lane, and the idiot sits there to go straight when it turns green while I am stuck waiting 7 minutes to make a right turn.

Also, why is it every driver I see with one of these is the worst driver on the road, does being handicapped make you unable to use a turn signal, have to drive 20 below the speed limit, and suddenly drift into your lane?:

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You forgot the 'jesus fish' on the back of the car.  And woe to anyone stuck behind a driver with both!
 
2013-05-10 07:11:15 AM
This is a huge problem in Maryland. If I was a trooper, I'd drive up and down I-70 and hand out tickets to people not actively passing in the left lane.
 
2013-05-10 07:24:06 AM

imfallen_angel: I'm guess you're a standard driver... and you're probably a great one too (like they all claim to be)


You guessed wrong. I started driving when I was 13 (just short trips between farms in an old generation 1 Dodge Ram on "a paved back road", usually following a wagon full of straw or hay).  I have driven tractors (Everything from a CASE 5130 to a Farmall H) , A combine, ATV's, and a dump truck.

I consider myself a "slightly offensive asshole" driver, in the sense that I piss people off sometimes due to me wanting to pass them because they are going 1 under the speed limit.  My commute is 1.5 hours.  15 mins of that is back roads (hilly, curvy, gravel), 30 is interstate (with lite traffic) and 45 is one lane state route through Amish country.  I pass semis on the state route when I can because It is easy to be stuck behind them going 10-15 under for the entire 45 mins, so whenever I have a chance to pass them I take it (not on double lanes though, I am not stupid).  This also applies to slow drivers and Amish buggies.

Of course, I have also "driven" in Atlanta and LA (for work), if you can call sitting in traffic for hours "driving".

I have got one ticket in my life, and it took me 13 years to get it.  I was cited for going 68 in a 55. Now, I usually just go 5 over, but it was a beautiful fall day, the road is perfect to drive on (lots of curves and hills on a state route going though the Appalachian Foothills, can really get a feel for the curves) so i gout caught up in the moment.

I am by no means a "great" driver.  I consider myself a good driver, but not "safe", at least not in the eyes of the law.  OF course, just because you are a safe driver doesn't mean you are a good one as well.
 
2013-05-10 08:15:36 AM

Raspil: every day, taking Trop to get to work, motherf*ckers are going 35 in a 45.  every single day, taking Trop home, same f*cking thing.  no reason.  six lane road down the middle of town, day or night, 35 in a 45.  takes 30 minutes to go seven f*cking miles.

f*ck everyone in Vegas.

//if i take the 215, i eat 8 extra miles and it takes the same amount of time getting to and from work, again, day or night.  these twats just need to go the speed limit and everything would be fine.


The other extreme over in Johnson City, TN is 55 in a 40.  The 55 mile an hour road has a clear sign switching over.  Yet they think that whole entire road has always been 55.  I love seeing the red faced, cussing and arm waving, drivers who are irritated with the police for pulling them over.
 
2013-05-10 10:15:41 AM
Oh man...I love a good right/left lane flamewar.  Too bad I'm late for this one.

I don't normally enjoy watching other people suffer...but on this particular subject I really like seeing the butt-hurt out of every obnoxious a-hole who thinks they are so important that the rest of us should scramble to get our of their way.

I drive in the way that I think is safest for me and my family.  If that means you are ever so slightly inconvenienced...tough shiat.
 
2013-05-10 10:30:39 AM

Pocket Ninja: the_sidewinder: Difficulty: There is no fast lane

See, this is truly the crux of the problem, and has always been so. The issue here is that generations of Americans have, as a sort of shorthand, referred to the left lane on a highway as "the fast lane." But the problem with that is that the word "fast" is quite subjective. I might, for example, believe that since the speed limit is 55, and I am going 57, I am going "fast" and therefore have every much a right to be in the lane as anyone else. Yes, I would have to be a slack-jawed simpleton to believe this, a halfwit bumpkin of no relative merit or worth, but the fact of the matter is that many American are exactly those things. I mean, have you been to Maryland?

So stop calling it a fast lane. Spend the extra syllable, refer to it as a passing lane. As in the following:

If I am not at this moment actively engaged in the process of passing a vehicle situated on my right-hand side, I should move immediately into the right lane myself and only re-enter the left lane when it becomes again necessary to pass another vehicle. The speed of my passing is irrelevant. How fast I believe I am going is irrelevant. All that matters is the action of passing, nothing else, and then, like a salmon who has just finished spawning and will now rest and die, the act of again moving right. This until it is time to spawn again.

Think of slack-jawed simpletons, the halfwit bumpkins everywhere. The Marylanders struggling to understand difficult concepts like "signs" and "signals." Make things easier, not more complicated. Passing lane. It is more difficult to say, but think of the payoffs.


Sadly, Virginians are the biggest traffic violators in the area.  Car companies can save money by not installing turn or brake lights on cars sold in VA since nobody uses them.
 
2013-05-10 11:04:15 AM

fredklein: another cultural observer: Every time I pass a state trooper and I'm going 6 mph over the limit, and that trooper sees me and continues eating his donut, my speeding is justified.

And every time I commit murder and the cops don't catch me, does that mean killing is justified??

Just because you get away with it doesn't mean it's not against the law.


If you kill someone in front of law enforcement, and the officers do not arrest you...yes, I'd be willing to bet your homicide is justifiable.  This isn't as hard as you're making it.
 
2013-05-10 02:33:21 PM

the_sidewinder: Difficulty: There is no fast lane

/Use the left lane to pass, then get the fark out of it


This.

If you're not passing slower traffic then you shouldn't be in the left lane.

And those who think that they are regulating traffic by slowing everyone else down, then you are twats and morons because you are actually making things worse by pissing off those (with the same stunted intellect as you) who would go zipping through traffic around you, which raises the threat level for everyone around them.

And it's usually women hogging the left lane. Why is that, ladies? Can you not read the signs that say "Left lane for passing only"? No... you can't... because you're farking busy putting on make-up and texting to bother with all those stupid signs. Just like the coont I saw yesterday afternoon doing 60 in the left lane on North Mo-Pac (a 75 mph zone) with more eyes on her phone than on the road.

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2013-05-10 05:46:26 PM
CorruptDB: 9- Drivers who refuse to merge when their lane is ending until the lines force them over.  Once they hit the end of the lane, they just start drifting into the through lane (no signal of course) and force their way in, usually slowing down (the ...

This is actually a rational practice that makes the most efficient use of the available roadway. Would you rather everyone stack up in a single file line two miles long? Traffic studies have shown that if cars are equally distributed between the closing lane, and the continuing lane to the very end, traffic moves more quickly, smoothly and efficiently.

/ I heard it on NPR, it must be true!
// I'll try to find the cite ...
 
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