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2013-05-09 05:41:27 PM  

another cultural observer: A risk I'm willing to run,


"Some of you may die.. but that is a risk I am willing to take..."

but you're incorrect that anyone "MUST" follow the law. You can go murder someone.

You know what I meant. Sheesh.

And if you can choose to break the speed limit (and accept the possible punishment), then why are you hating on other people who are choosing to break the 'stay right except to pass' law and accept the possible punishment? These people are just like you- they want to break the law, and they are breaking the law.
 
2013-05-09 05:43:38 PM  

un4gvn666: fredklein: And one of those 'risks' is getting your Drivers License taken away. Then you can't drive AT ALL

You're kidding right?

When you lose your license, do they chop off your hands or something where you live?


So, your advocating for driving without a license??
 
2013-05-09 05:44:53 PM  

another cultural observer: Speed is a "factor", not a "cause"


So, you wanna play word games to justify breaking the law?
 
2013-05-09 05:45:27 PM  

Koodz: #18 is how I know you don't know what a zip merge is. You're the problem, not the solution when you move over too early.


Except zip merges are for 2 lanes that are merging. On an exit, if you have 1 exit lane, you get in the lane behind everyone else, or you should be forced to wait.
 
2013-05-09 05:45:55 PM  

BolloxReader: serial_crusher: I've always thought they should do graduated speed limits in 5mph increments per lane.
i.e. if posted sign says 70mph,
right lane: no minimum, max 70mph
center lane: 70 min, 75 max
left lane: 75 min, 80 max
etc

You'd probably have to work on the "slower traffic keep right" laws to be compatible with that though.  i.e. it's currently illegal to drive the speed limit in the left lane, if you're not passing anybody, but with this there's good reason to be hanging out in the left lane, so need some way to resolve the situation where a guy going faster than you approaches.  I guess it's reasonable to say that you need to change lanes and slow down to that lane's sped limit until the other guy has passed you?

Uh yeah. Run that by the state police. I'm sure they will be 100% supportive of your contention that it is illegal to go the speed limit in the left hand lane.

I've only lived in two states, but I'm pretty sure that the drivers ed I took through my high school was totally incorrect about the speed limit applying to all lanes of traffic. That state trooper who led the class was just yanking our chains.


The legality of failure to keep right has nothing to do with the speed limit.  The illegal part is that you're driving in the wrong lane.  "I can totally shoot my machine gun out the window, officer.  I was going the speed limit!"

It is illegal to be in the left lane at all if you're not passing somebody.  Specific laws vary by state, but I'm not aware of any that allow you to drive the speed limit in the left lane of an empty highway. (technically in the situation I mentioned earlier the guy in the left lane was violating the law before any speeders approached him.  It's just that when somebody's behind him wanting to pass, he's being a dick in addition to breaking the law)
 
2013-05-09 05:46:27 PM  

Koodz: #18 is how I know you don't know what a zip merge is. You're the problem, not the solution when you move over too early.


I'm not talking about spots where a lane ends, I'm talking about dickheads who use the passing lane of a two-lane roadway to fly past traffic in the right lane that's approaching a turn off and then cut them off at the last minute because they want to turn right off that roadway with them. People who effectively make a right turn onto a ramp from the left turn lane because they didn't feel like following the normal flow of traffic.

But you go be smug if it makes you feel better.
 
2013-05-09 05:47:06 PM  
Now if they'd do something about the idjots who leave the blinker on forever...
 
2013-05-09 05:47:41 PM  

fredklein: another cultural observer: Speed is a "factor", not a "cause"

So, you wanna play word games to justify breaking the law?


Every time I pass a state trooper and I'm going 6 mph over the limit, and that trooper sees me and continues eating his donut, my speeding is justified.
 
2013-05-09 05:48:13 PM  

fredklein: un4gvn666: fredklein: And one of those 'risks' is getting your Drivers License taken away. Then you can't drive AT ALL

You're kidding right?

When you lose your license, do they chop off your hands or something where you live?

So, your advocating for driving without a license??


I'm advocating that you don't be a damn zombie and follow any rule just because the morons in D.C. or your state capitol decide it should be a law.

There are definitely situations where I can imagine having to drive without a license. Just like I regularly speed because I acknowledge that speed limits are largely arbitrary, and meant to keep dumber people from injuring themselves or others on the road.
 
2013-05-09 05:48:30 PM  

another cultural observer: Huggermugger: All of you speed demons who think that you should be allowed to drive at unlimited speed just like on the Autobahn ignore one major thing, which is that they have extremely restrictive laws on the behavior of drivers. In exchange for the right to drive fast, you lose the right to tailgate and intimidate and act like a bully. It appears that many of you enjoy the aggression so much that you'd rather drive like a bully than drive fast.

I bully slow drivers by passing them and then going more slowly than they are.  It's quite satisfying.  "what's wrong, old lady?  Someone going slow? Inconveniencing you? I can relate.  I guess you'll have to muster up your old lady courage and pass me."


What most of you bullies do is not to pass, but to tailgate and cut in front and honk and flip the bird. As an old lady who just wants to get from point A to point B, I shouldn't have to be the target of your psychological issues. And by the way, I found a place to live near work so that I can drive less than 100 miles a month, but sometimes I'm forced to drive someplace, and sometimes I need to turn left, which requires being in the left lane, but that doesn't mean you have the right to rage at me and threaten me.
 
2013-05-09 05:50:39 PM  

Huggermugger: another cultural observer: Huggermugger: All of you speed demons who think that you should be allowed to drive at unlimited speed just like on the Autobahn ignore one major thing, which is that they have extremely restrictive laws on the behavior of drivers. In exchange for the right to drive fast, you lose the right to tailgate and intimidate and act like a bully. It appears that many of you enjoy the aggression so much that you'd rather drive like a bully than drive fast.

I bully slow drivers by passing them and then going more slowly than they are.  It's quite satisfying.  "what's wrong, old lady?  Someone going slow? Inconveniencing you? I can relate.  I guess you'll have to muster up your old lady courage and pass me."

What most of you bullies do is not to pass, but to tailgate and cut in front and honk and flip the bird. As an old lady who just wants to get from point A to point B, I shouldn't have to be the target of your psychological issues. And by the way, I found a place to live near work so that I can drive less than 100 miles a month, but sometimes I'm forced to drive someplace, and sometimes I need to turn left, which requires being in the left lane, but that doesn't mean you have the right to rage at me and threaten me.


Old ladies who want to get from A to B don't bother me if they stay off the roads during rush hour.  They're adults, they know people have to get to work.  Go 40 mph in a 55mph zone at 10:00am instead of 7:30am.  You're retired anyway.  I provide a valuable, aggressively-passive educational service.
 
2013-05-09 05:52:53 PM  

skozlaw: fredklein: Really?

Good point. Let me rephrase:

Speeding is virtually never the cause of a crash.


And the fall didn't kill him- it was the sudden stop at the end.

Speeding means you are going further down the road per unit time, and thus have less time to react to road hazards. You don't see that pothole until it's too late to avoid it. So you hit it, pop a tire, and crash. Speeding 'per se' didn't "cause" the crash- the popped tire did. But if you follow the chain back (Crash was caused by popped tire, which was caused by hitting pothole, which was caused by not being able to avoid it in time, because.... you were speeding), you see that speeding was indeed the 'cause' of the accident. If you weren't speeding, the accident would not have happened.

I mean, this is basic Drivers Ed stuff here.
 
2013-05-09 05:53:12 PM  

Huggermugger: What most of you bullies do is not to pass, but to tailgate and cut in front and honk and flip the bird.


STRAW...

*wait for it*

MAN!

Huggermugger: As an old lady who just wants to get from point A to point B, I shouldn't have to be the target of your psychological issues.


You would have nothing to worry about if you operated your vehicle effectively. If you're complaining about people tailgating you in the left lane, get the fark out of the left lane.

Huggermugger: And by the way, I found a place to live near work so that I can drive less than 100 miles a month, but sometimes I'm forced to drive someplace, and sometimes I need to turn left, which requires being in the left lane, but that doesn't mean you have the right to rage at me and threaten me.


If you have to turn left, get in the left lane with your signal on. However, if you are in the left lane and you're not passing someone on your right, get the fark out of the lane. People should not have to be delayed because of your lack of driving knowledge and misplaced sense of entitlement.
 
2013-05-09 05:54:53 PM  

another cultural observer: Huggermugger: another cultural observer: Huggermugger: All of you speed demons who think that you should be allowed to drive at unlimited speed just like on the Autobahn ignore one major thing, which is that they have extremely restrictive laws on the behavior of drivers. In exchange for the right to drive fast, you lose the right to tailgate and intimidate and act like a bully. It appears that many of you enjoy the aggression so much that you'd rather drive like a bully than drive fast.

I bully slow drivers by passing them and then going more slowly than they are.  It's quite satisfying.  "what's wrong, old lady?  Someone going slow? Inconveniencing you? I can relate.  I guess you'll have to muster up your old lady courage and pass me."

What most of you bullies do is not to pass, but to tailgate and cut in front and honk and flip the bird. As an old lady who just wants to get from point A to point B, I shouldn't have to be the target of your psychological issues. And by the way, I found a place to live near work so that I can drive less than 100 miles a month, but sometimes I'm forced to drive someplace, and sometimes I need to turn left, which requires being in the left lane, but that doesn't mean you have the right to rage at me and threaten me.

Old ladies who want to get from A to B don't bother me if they stay off the roads during rush hour.  They're adults, they know people have to get to work.  Go 40 mph in a 55mph zone at 10:00am instead of 7:30am.  You're retired anyway.  I provide a valuable, aggressively-passive educational service.


I'm not retired. I work, and I have just as much right to be on the road. The only time I drive less than the speed limit us when there's congestion on the road. Try telling a judge that you have the right to intimidate me.
 
2013-05-09 05:54:55 PM  

fredklein: I mean, this is basic Drivers Ed stuff here.


Said the troll.

I know you've reeled in some other suckers but I'm not going to treat your trolling crap like it's anything but trolling crap. Just a tip for the future, go a little lighter on the derp right out of the gate and build up to it instead. Makes it too obvious.
 
2013-05-09 05:55:18 PM  

fredklein: you see that speeding was indeed the 'cause' of the accident.


Um, no, not really. Speeding increased the chances of the accident, but did not cause it.

Words mean things.
 
2013-05-09 05:55:20 PM  

another cultural observer: Every time I pass a state trooper and I'm going 6 mph over the limit, and that trooper sees me and continues eating his donut, my speeding is justified.


And every time I commit murder and the cops don't catch me, does that mean killing is justified??

Just because you get away with it doesn't mean it's not against the law.
 
2013-05-09 05:56:13 PM  

un4gvn666: I'm advocating that you don't be a damn zombie and follow any rule just because the morons in D.C. or your state capitol decide it should be a law.


So, anarchist much?
 
2013-05-09 05:58:33 PM  

un4gvn666: speed limits are largely arbitrary, and meant to keep dumber people from injuring themselves or others on the road.


Ah, yes. "The laws are for other folks, not me". 'I'm smarter than everyone else'.

I think that's a sign of being a sociopath. Or is it psychopath? Something like that.
 
2013-05-09 05:58:52 PM  

fredklein: un4gvn666: I'm advocating that you don't be a damn zombie and follow any rule just because the morons in D.C. or your state capitol decide it should be a law.

So, anarchist much?


Wow, skozlaw isn't kidding, you're a seriously pathetic little authoritarian troll. Congrats on pulling me for a bit, but I'm done with you.

Getting back on topic, as a Floridian, I'm sure to bring a lot of smiles to a lot of family and friend's faces when I tell them about this bill. Assholes driving slow in the left lane is the number one complaint you hear from people in this state when it comes to driving on the highways, particularly in Miami, where you can basically wash up on shore and be handed a license without much of a fuss.
 
2013-05-09 06:00:32 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: As a guy who thinks people who drive more than 5 or 10 over the speed limit are dangerous psychotics except in case of extreme emergency, This is an idea I can support.

The left lane is for people going the speed limit or slightly over.  Not for slow driving.


Current posted speed limit in Ohio is 60, so by your logic that makes anyone in Ohio going 65+ a dangerous psychotic with no regards for safety or life. In July when the speed limits are raised to 70 could you please explain to me how someone goes from being a "dangerous psychotic" to someone driving under the speed limit?

I have never understood anyone who believes speed limits have anything to do with safety but if you are right and speed limits truely are for safety Ohio is sending everyone to their death.
 
2013-05-09 06:01:21 PM  
Thread is TL;DR, but on the chance that it hasn't been pointed out yet, California has had a minimum speed on the freeway (all lanes) since forever. (45 when I lived there, way back in the dark days of the national 55 limit) Pretty certain I've been in other states with similar laws.

/Hero tag was missing?
 
2013-05-09 06:01:29 PM  

fredklein: So, like I said, speeding causes MORE crashes, and WORSE crashes.


Let's be honest...

More crashes happen due to more people are on the road now than just a few years ago, and more of these people are bad drivers that simply do not follow the rules correctly.

I've yet to see a single accident that was due to speed, they were all due to bad driving, mechanical problems or road conditions.

Every driver believes that they are good drivers because they haven't crashed yet.... in my life, I'd say that less than ten people I've known would truly qualify as a truly good driver.

The problem isn't speed, it's that during courses, people only learn about the "rules" and nothing about their machines, about reacting, about the fact that you're piloting a death machine (your death or others') and that you need to put that phone down and pay attention to the road and your surroundings.

Too many feel too safe in their metal shell and many believe that after spending their teenage years playing Mario Kart or Need for speed that they're the shiats behind a wheel.  And none have a clue about truly pushing their attention to the road and their surroundings.
 
2013-05-09 06:03:10 PM  

un4gvn666: fredklein: you see that speeding was indeed the 'cause' of the accident.

Um, no, not really. Speeding increased the chances of the accident, but did not cause it.

Words mean things.


If you are speeding too fast to react to road conditions, then you literally CANNOT avoid the pothole. You are going too fast to do so. Your car will be at the pothole in less than your reaction time. Thus, speeding directly led to hitting the pothole (and thus to the popped tire and crash). In this case, there is no 'increased the chances'- it made it a certainty. (Which, I suppose you could argue, was just 'increasing the chances' to 100%)
 
2013-05-09 06:04:06 PM  

cloister the stupid: The All-Powerful Atheismo: As a guy who thinks people who drive more than 5 or 10 over the speed limit are dangerous psychotics except in case of extreme emergency, This is an idea I can support.

The left lane is for people going the speed limit or slightly over.  Not for slow driving.

Current posted speed limit in Ohio is 60, so by your logic that makes anyone in Ohio going 65+ a dangerous psychotic with no regards for safety or life. In July when the speed limits are raised to 70 could you please explain to me how someone goes from being a "dangerous psychotic" to someone driving under the speed limit?

I have never understood anyone who believes speed limits have anything to do with safety but if you are right and speed limits truely are for safety Ohio is sending everyone to their death.


The people that sincerely frighten me are the ones that think laws or religion keep them from doing dangerous and harmful things. These are the people that cannot decide for themselves what is responsible, safe, or smart, they need someone else to do that for them, like traffic laws or religion or w/e the fark.
 
2013-05-09 06:05:50 PM  

un4gvn666: f you're complaining about people tailgating you in the left lane, get the fark out of the left lane.


That's a bit unfair. There are some real dicks who will come up and tailgate you even as you're in the midst of passing other people (and hence can't move over) because you're not passing them fast enough. Or who will come up and tailgate you for a second even though a further left lane is clear.

un4gvn666: If you have to turn left, get in the left lane with your signal on. However, if you are in the left lane and you're not passing someone on your right, get the fark out of the lane.


Also not always a fair criticism. Suppose you're coming up on a left exit in half a mile, or maybe a mile (but you're not quite sure of how far ahead it is because the signage isn't wonderful). It's totally reasonable in that circumstance to move to the left lane at that point, but it's (IMO) way too early to really have your turn signal on. This is especially true if the traffic is heavy -- in that case it can be "difficult" to change lanes, and if you have to slow down to try to get a space because you waited until you're very close to the exit and you'll soon pass it, it becomes even harder.

My philosophy is that if you're around left exits, the "keep rule" right really breaks down pretty badly.
 
2013-05-09 06:06:26 PM  

Gleeman: Thread is TL;DR, but on the chance that it hasn't been pointed out yet, California has had a minimum speed on the freeway (all lanes) since forever. (45 when I lived there, way back in the dark days of the national 55 limit) Pretty certain I've been in other states with similar laws.

/Hero tag was missing?


Florida actually does have a minimum limit on several highways (it's usually 15 mph under the limit). The problem being that you can still be driving ten miles under the limit in the left lane, slowing down everyone behind you, and not even the cops can do anything about it. It's bullshiat, and I'm glad something is being done about it (even though I'm confident it won't be enforced, because cops don't do a farking thing here except catch speeders. For anything else, they're practically worthless).
 
2013-05-09 06:08:54 PM  

evaned: un4gvn666: f you're complaining about people tailgating you in the left lane, get the fark out of the left lane.

That's a bit unfair. There are some real dicks who will come up and tailgate you even as you're in the midst of passing other people (and hence can't move over) because you're not passing them fast enough. Or who will come up and tailgate you for a second even though a further left lane is clear.

un4gvn666: If you have to turn left, get in the left lane with your signal on. However, if you are in the left lane and you're not passing someone on your right, get the fark out of the lane.

Also not always a fair criticism. Suppose you're coming up on a left exit in half a mile, or maybe a mile (but you're not quite sure of how far ahead it is because the signage isn't wonderful). It's totally reasonable in that circumstance to move to the left lane at that point, but it's (IMO) way too early to really have your turn signal on. This is especially true if the traffic is heavy -- in that case it can be "difficult" to change lanes, and if you have to slow down to try to get a space because you waited until you're very close to the exit and you'll soon pass it, it becomes even harder.

My philosophy is that if you're around left exits, the "keep rule" right really breaks down pretty badly.


Left exits are pretty rare in Florida. They usually only occur at intersections of major highways. In Miami, Tampa, Orlando, St. Petersburg (all of which I see from time to time), nearly all exits are on the right.

You're right, the rule isn't universal, but it works in almost all everyday situations.
 
2013-05-09 06:11:10 PM  

imfallen_angel: I've yet to see a single accident that was due to speed, they were all due to bad driving, mechanical problems or road conditions.


Bad driving- like not obeying the rules of the road (such as the speed limit)

Mechanical problems- if your tire pops, you are more likely to crash (as opposed to be able to safely pull over) the faster you are going. The same for most other mechanical problems.

Road conditions- Again, you are motre likely to have a problem the faster you are going. This is why you are supposed to slow down if it's raining, for instance- "In general, cars aquaplane at speeds above 53 mph (72 km/h), where water ponds to a depth of at least 1/10 of an inch (2.5 mm) over a distance of 30 feet (9 meters) or more." (wikipedia) Go slower, no hydroplaning.

Too many feel too safe in their metal shell and many believe that after spending their teenage years playing Mario Kart or Need for speed that they're the shiats behind a wheel. And none have a clue about truly pushing their attention to the road and their surroundings.

Very true.
 
2013-05-09 06:11:10 PM  

skozlaw: Koodz: #18 is how I know you don't know what a zip merge is. You're the problem, not the solution when you move over too early.

I'm not talking about spots where a lane ends, I'm talking about dickheads who use the passing lane of a two-lane roadway to fly past traffic in the right lane that's approaching a turn off and then cut them off at the last minute because they want to turn right off that roadway with them. People who effectively make a right turn onto a ramp from the left turn lane because they didn't feel like following the normal flow of traffic.

But you go be smug if it makes you feel better.


Oh, well, then, fark them.

But fark you too, for your assumption and on general principles.
 
2013-05-09 06:14:15 PM  

lennavan: ZeroCorpse: There's no sense in speeding. You won't get there much faster, thanks to stop signs, signals, traffic, and other factors. You might beat me to the same destination by a minute. Ooooh. I bet that minute really helped you when you were wandering around finding a close parking space while I parked in the back and walked, STILL beating you to the actual destination.

It's 20 miles to work for me, one way.  I work 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year (well probably more than that actually).  That's 10,000 miles.  If I drive 1mph faster average (31mph v. 30mph), I save over 10 hours on the road per year.  I save 50 hours on the road per year if I drive 5mph faster.  I'm not racing you.  I don't care how much faster you got there compared to me.  I care how much faster I got there compared to what I could have gotten there in.

I also park in the back and walk.


You save a little less time than that speeding five over.  And that's only if you're going five over and the original speed limit was 30.  At interstate speeds your savings are negligible and you waste a lot more gas while increasing your stopping distance dramatically.  Thanks for confirming that biologists are bad at math though.
 
2013-05-09 06:16:28 PM  

Dr_Gene: I once knew an old bag senior citizen who intentionally drove slow in the fast/passing lane.
She said it was for safety reasons: "The families of those fast drivers will thank me for ensuring they got home safely after driving at a nice, safe speed"


My grandparents drive max 35mph anywhere.
 
2013-05-09 06:18:30 PM  

imfallen_angel: 5- getting stuck behind the asshat in the standard at a red light in a small hill, where the asshat cannot handle being able to prevent his vehicle from creeping backwards bit by bit as he has no ability with a clutch. (but will assure you of how great a driver they are)


When I taught a friend how to drive a clutch, I included starting up on a hill.  Here's what I taught her.

Put on your hand brake.  If your car rolls back, you need new brakes and can not continue with this exercise.  Now start out as if on a flat road.  When you feel your car wanting to go forward, start releasing the hand brake.  Congratulations.  You now have completed the basics.

Now work on learning how to use the clutch properly so you don't need to do the hand brake trick.  Starting up on a hill is hard for some people and takes some practice.  This trick is meant as a TEMPORARY solution.
 
2013-05-09 06:24:05 PM  
I don't think fredklein is a troll, he always spouts out retarded shiat. I think he's just a moran. Finally ignored him (long overdue)
 
2013-05-09 06:28:22 PM  

Huggermugger: The only time I drive less than the speed limit us when there's congestion on the road.


Let me repeat this since you don't seem to understand the concept.

If you are in the left lane on the freeway, and you are not passing someone, you are in the wrong farking lane.  Move over biatch!

I don't care if you are going the speed limit.  You are still in the wrong farking lane.  Move over biatch.
 
2013-05-09 06:31:13 PM  
Here's another law I'd like, for all of you look-at-me-I'm-a-super-driver-get-out-of-my-way douchebags.

If I'm in the right lane, and I'm going 10 miles an hour over the speed limit, and the left two lanes are empty, and you come up and tailgate me, because you think you own every farking lane on the road, and you demand that I move left so that you can pass me on the right, then you're a jerk and you get a nice hefty ticket.

Here's another one.  If I move from the left lane to the middle lane to pass someone who is going at or below the speed limit, and you come up behind me 25+ miles over the limit, and again you tailgate me, because you're so farking important that the road belongs to you, again, jerk, ticket.

People who imagine themselves to be super drivers do not own the road.  They give me far more headaches than people driving below the speed limit in the left lane.  In fact, I almost never see people driving below the speed limit in the left lane.  But I have jerks tailgating me in the right lane, when I'm going over the limit, all the time.

I think what you super drivers mean is "anybody driving slower than I do in the left lane."
 
2013-05-09 06:37:49 PM  

CrazyCracka420: retarded shiat


Yeah- like obeying the law. Everyone knows that's crazy.
 
2013-05-09 06:38:51 PM  

Kibbler: Here's another law I'd like, for all of you look-at-me-I'm-a-super-driver-get-out-of-my-way douchebags.

If I'm in the right lane, and I'm going 10 miles an hour over the speed limit, and the left two lanes are empty, and you come up and tailgate me, because you think you own every farking lane on the road, and you demand that I move left so that you can pass me on the right, then you're a jerk and you get a nice hefty ticket.

Here's another one.  If I move from the left lane to the middle lane to pass someone who is going at or below the speed limit, and you come up behind me 25+ miles over the limit, and again you tailgate me, because you're so farking important that the road belongs to you, again, jerk, ticket.

People who imagine themselves to be super drivers do not own the road.  They give me far more headaches than people driving below the speed limit in the left lane.  In fact, I almost never see people driving below the speed limit in the left lane.  But I have jerks tailgating me in the right lane, when I'm going over the limit, all the time.

I think what you super drivers mean is "anybody driving slower than I do in the left lane."


None of those things have ever happened.
 
2013-05-09 06:39:38 PM  
I have to confess that I used to speed but don't much any more.  I strictly do the speed limit except on empty, curvy roads where I play a little.

I pass on the left and then get over but, and nobody's going to like this, I don't speed to pass.  My pass takes as long as it takes and as soon as I'm clear I get over.  If it looks like the pass isn't happening because the dick on my right has decided to speed up, I'll slow down and drop behind him.  Tailgate me all you want.  I have insurance and nothing to live for.
 
2013-05-09 06:47:39 PM  

fredklein: Bad driving- like not obeying the rules of the road (such as the speed limit)

Mechanical problems- if your tire pops, you are more likely to crash (as opposed to be able to safely pull over) the faster you are going. The same for most other mechanical problems.

Road conditions- Again, you are motre likely to have a problem the faster you are going. This is why you are supposed to slow down if it's raining, for instance-


I'd go with: for some, the speed limit is MORE than they can handle, hence they need to stay off the passing lane, heck, they should avoid highways as much as possible.

But, the speed limit in many (and I mean MANY) places are exagerated.... the highway that I take is hard to stay at the limit... seriously, it's difficult to do because it's so low and my transmission keeps switching gears because it's a speed where it's ratio of torque against speed is razor on.  No one, including cops, buses, ambulances, city vehicle do NOT respect it.

Mechanical problem, a good driver will know how to prevent a crash, or at least minimize it, regardless of the speed but overall, this one is dumb luck.  With a mechanical issue, going 20 under the limit and you could still end up in an accident.

Road condition... not speed, but driver skills.  A good driver would/should expect that anything can happen and adjust their speed accordingly.  So it's not speed that's the issue as the person could be going well under (let's say winter on icy roads)... even at 40 under the limit, hit a ice patch that the tire doesn't grab right and the car goes skating... I've had it happen to me a few times where black ice and situation made it that the car simply took off... I took my time and recovered as best I could (no accident), but I was going slow, I was being extremely careful, but the snow hid the ice very well and there was no avoiding it.

You said it yourself... "you are supposed to slow down if it's raining ".. so speed is NOT the issue, it's the driver's choice, his competence,  his ability to be honest about his driving abilities.

Honestly, I fell 100x safer with people passing me in a proper way (regardless of their speed), or myself being part of a "group" (but with safe distance between them and myself, of course) going at a fair speed in relation to the road condition (weather and visibility)  than in a crowded road with people switching lanes back and forth, going over the lines, not using signal lights, etc. even if we are all going 20 under the limit.
 
2013-05-09 06:47:41 PM  
I don't get too bent out of shape about slowpokes in the left lane.  My two peeves...folks who stop past the stop line to my left so I have to nose out into traffic to see if it's clear to make a right on red, and folks who slow down for a turn before putting their blinker on. Other than that it's usually a pleasant ride.
 
2013-05-09 07:01:12 PM  

imfallen_angel: do NOT respect it


That should be coming off as "none of them respect the limit"
 
2013-05-09 07:26:10 PM  

OgreMagi: Huggermugger: The only time I drive less than the speed limit us when there's congestion on the road.

Let me repeat this since you don't seem to understand the concept.

If you are in the left lane on the freeway, and you are not passing someone, you are in the wrong farking lane.  Move over biatch!

I don't care if you are going the speed limit.  You are still in the wrong farking lane.  Move over biatch.


Totally straw man. I said nothing on that quote about driving in the left lane. Take a chill pill before you hurt someone. You're a perfect example of a rageaholic.
 
2013-05-09 07:33:04 PM  

serial_crusher: bdm26: 20. Don't block turns to your right when traffic comes to a stop at a light, dipshiats.


That's one of the most annoying things ever...Encounter it everyday on my drive home from work.

There's two lanes going the same direction and some idiot always is in the right lane at the stop light, only car there besides me behind them, with no one in the left lane, and the idiot sits there to go straight when it turns green while I am stuck waiting 7 minutes to make a right turn.

Hmm, I think I misinterpreted him when I read that.  Yes, that is a big pet peeve.

When I'm on my bike I'm obviously not getting into the left lane.  I will usually move over to the left side of the right lane and give you enough room to make your turn.  If you signal, that is.  If you're not signaling, I will stand there and hold you up.
/ I don't want a guy who's going straight to nestle up next to me, then try to pass me on the right after the light turns green.
// Yes, that has actually happened to me before.


The left lane (or, "passing" lane) was just verbosely and grandiosely denied to me because I'm not actively passing someone, so I'm not allowed there.  The right lane is not allowed because you might need to turn.

Which lane on this two-lane road am I supposed to occupy again?

/Oh right, "none of them, this is my road and my road alone, waaah!"
 
2013-05-09 07:58:28 PM  
anyone driving faster than me is a maniac.
anyone driving slower than me is an idiot.

that is all.
 
2013-05-09 08:09:48 PM  
I am going to use this traffic thread to ask people the following question: If there are signs indicating that one of 2 lanes will be ending in 2-3 miles due to construction do you have a legal/moral obligation to merge as soon as possible if traffic is backed up in a traffic jam in the remaining lane? I personally see 2-3 miles of traffic backed up, one empty lane, and think it stupid to not use the perfectly good lane to pass everyone. In my mind one should only merge as soon as possible if traffic was moving fast enough to make last minute merging a danger. Course some people get pissed off that I'm passing them and I even had someone driving half in one lane half in the other to try to keep people like me from passing them in that lane. So, anyone know the legality of using a lane until the last minute when instant merging is not required for safety?.

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2013-05-09 08:12:50 PM  
It's simple. If you aren't passing someone, look to your right. If there's a place there, that's where you're supposed to be. Doesn't matter if you're doing 2 mph or 200mph.

Instead, we have an America of anarchy on the highways, jackasses driving whatever speed in whatever lane. It's inefficient as hell and unnecessary. Now, the center lane is the "get in and tune out lane" where you exist in your own world, fark all anyone else.
 
2013-05-09 08:30:08 PM  

x1v16: I am going to use this traffic thread to ask people the following question: If there are signs indicating that one of 2 lanes will be ending in 2-3 miles due to construction do you have a legal/moral obligation to merge as soon as possible if traffic is backed up in a traffic jam in the remaining lane? I personally see 2-3 miles of traffic backed up, one empty lane, and think it stupid to not use the perfectly good lane to pass everyone. In my mind one should only merge as soon as possible if traffic was moving fast enough to make last minute merging a danger. Course some people get pissed off that I'm passing them and I even had someone driving half in one lane half in the other to try to keep people like me from passing them in that lane. So, anyone know the legality of using a lane until the last minute when instant merging is not required for safety?.

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It's not only legal, it's expected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_merge

Do NOT move over early.  Those people who are pissed off at you for passing them and congratulating themselves for being in the right lane are the source of the traffic jam.
 
2013-05-09 08:38:44 PM  

scottydoesntknow: None of those things have ever happened.


Hahahaha; yeah right. I've had the second one (three-lane road, I'm in the middle lane, someone is to my right, left lane is clear, someone comes up and tailgates me) happen to me  many times.
 
2013-05-09 08:43:46 PM  

Koodz: x1v16: I am going to use this traffic thread to ask people the following question: If there are signs indicating that one of 2 lanes will be ending in 2-3 miles due to construction do you have a legal/moral obligation to merge as soon as possible if traffic is backed up in a traffic jam in the remaining lane? I personally see 2-3 miles of traffic backed up, one empty lane, and think it stupid to not use the perfectly good lane to pass everyone. In my mind one should only merge as soon as possible if traffic was moving fast enough to make last minute merging a danger. Course some people get pissed off that I'm passing them and I even had someone driving half in one lane half in the other to try to keep people like me from passing them in that lane. So, anyone know the legality of using a lane until the last minute when instant merging is not required for safety?.

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It's not only legal, it's expected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_merge

Do NOT move over early.  Those people who are pissed off at you for passing them and congratulating themselves for being in the right lane are the source of the traffic jam.


Which brings up the people who pass everyone else on the shoulder in those situations, or when passing an accident.
 
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