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2013-05-09 04:35:29 PM

lennavan: moothemagiccow: You could save 172 hours (over a WEEK) if you moved 10 miles closer to your workplace.

Yeah, you should see the housing prices 10 miles closer to my work places.  I'm willing to sacrifice 172 hours a year so I can afford a house rather than still live in a shiatty apartment for the same price.

What do I get in return for those 50 hours I lose by driving 5 mph slower?  It sure as fark isn't increased safety.

moothemagiccow: You could also save 277 hours (11 days) if you worked from home one day a week.

I cannot legally work from home.  You need permits and shiat to use some of this science stuff.  The rest, well if you can convince my boss to buy me a $200,000 microscope to use at home, I'm all for it.

Hey, I'm open to more suggestions on how to save more time on the road.  But you're not telling me to do something instead of speeding.  You're giving me ideas to use in addition to speeding.  And by the way,  5mph over the limit is not so terrible.


If you secretly moved into some forgotten basement corner of the building where you work, you wouldn't have to drive at all. Catch rain water for sponge baths and hunt rats for food. For the good of the planet. Plus, good exercise (the rat hunting - they're wily from living among humans for so long).
 
2013-05-09 04:36:39 PM

moothemagiccow: justtray: ZeroCorpse: Wow. A lot of armchair NASCAR professionals here.

Don't let me get in the way of your posturing, fellas. We all know that every single one of you drives better than anyone else on the road, including each other.

Just stay away from me when you're driving. That's all I ask. I drive exactly the speed limit. I avoid huge clusters and packs of cars and prefer to drive between the packs... AWAY from the other drivers. The only way to be safe from other drivers is to avoid them completely.

And when you come cruising up at high speed on my left, be sure to wave, because I'll probably wave back when I catch up to you a moment later at the next light.

There's no sense in speeding. You won't get there much faster, thanks to stop signs, signals, traffic, and other factors. You might beat me to the same destination by a minute. Ooooh. I bet that minute really helped you when you were wandering around finding a close parking space while I parked in the back and walked, STILL beating you to the actual destination.

People who treat driving like its a competition are to be avoided.

That's great, and I'm happy for you and ignorance must surely be bliss to think that going faster doesn't allow you to make lights that you would otherwise hit a red at, but do be just this one solid, and don't use the left lane unless you're passing someone.

Thanks.

I don't understand why you're so pressed for time.

Leave earlier. Relax. You'll get where you need to in time. Being two or three minutes early just isn't worth it. You might even live longer.

It's like waiting for someone to leave the front row in a parking lot. Just park in the back and walk.


I guess I just have empathy for everyone on the road and think others should as well. Not everyone likes sitting in traffic for 20 minutes for what should be a 10 minute drive because people want to filter out to all lanes going the exact same speed.

It's nothing like waiting for someone to leave the front row spot. Again that is more akin to someone with your mentality. I understand saving time, whereas your mentality of "its just a few minutes" is more akin to waiting for the front parking spot. Both horrible, self-serving behaviors that you should be ashamed of.

Also;

Nutsac_Jim: ZeroCorpse: There's no sense in speeding. You won't get there much faster, thanks to stop signs, signals, traffic, and other factors. You might beat me to the same destination by a minute.

This is false.   'Speeding only gets you there a minute earlier' only applies if you are going site to site.  The extra factor is lights.  If you speed and get to a long light early enough and make it.. you make it through before the light turns red.  Chump McSpeedLimit has to wait a full cycle.  That can ad 3-4 minutes.  Do that to a couple of lights, and whammo, you are at work 10 minutes earlier.


Bingo.

stevetherobot: If you just barely make it through one light, chances are you will be caught be the next.


Wrong. I don't know where you got your education, but you should get a refund.
 
2013-05-09 04:38:36 PM
OK... so confession time. I did not grow up in the US (although if I had l been born here I might not have grown up yet either, but that's another issue), but I have now lived in Florida for nearly 2 decades.

The one thing that stuck out like a sore thumb when I first arrived on US shores, and still does, is how often I can drive unobstructed in the right lane of the interstate because everyone else is either in the center or left lane. Its like they are zombies and cannot figure out that the fastest lane at that moment is the right hand one. Nope, stick in the left lane because I want to go somewhere.... fast. Or, worse yet... why the heck bother to move over no matter my speed? I like this lane and its suited me for years, so here I will stay and screw everyone else

And it seems like it doesn't matter who, but as soon as they enter the interstate, all these drivers head to the left as if it was magnetized.

There's nothing like the little old lady who says she never has problems on the Interstate. "I just drive in the left lane and there is a clear road ahead of me." Yeah lady, but did you look behind you at the line of 50 cars that you are holding up?

There has to be a cultural reason for this. Can anyone explain?
 
2013-05-09 04:39:07 PM
Well I use Mac/Linux...:
I'm not talking about people not pulling up to the car in front of them when stopped at a red light.  I'm talking about once the light has turned green, and the car in front of them is now driving through the intersection, instead of immediately following they leave a space big enough for 6 other cars to fit into, thus farking over people at the back of the line who could have easily gotten through before the light changed again.

Inevitably these are the same people who spent the entire red light creeping forward 1" at a time, finally the light turns green and they suddenly want to sit there for a few more seconds.  Maybe they were creeping forward to get to the precise spot that they wanted and now that they have their spot they don't want to leave it?
 
2013-05-09 04:39:23 PM
My new favorite traffic game is boxing out people who got in the wrong lane and try to jump in front of traffic (often speeding across 3 lanes of traffic) to cut in front of everyone to make their last-second turn.

I swear to GOD I will steamroll your little POS Mitsubishi and make you take a long-ass detour to get where you're going. Get in the proper lane and wait like everyone else, I don't let anyone in front of me (or behind me) if I can help it.

/Big truck SMASH!
 
2013-05-09 04:39:28 PM

Nutsac_Jim: ZeroCorpse: There's no sense in speeding. You won't get there much faster, thanks to stop signs, signals, traffic, and other factors. You might beat me to the same destination by a minute.

This is false.   'Speeding only gets you there a minute earlier' only applies if you are going site to site.  The extra factor is lights.  If you speed and get to a long light early enough and make it.. you make it through before the light turns red.  Chump McSpeedLimit has to wait a full cycle.  That can ad 3-4 minutes.  Do that to a couple of lights, and whammo, you are at work 10 minutes earlier.


This is true. Since our office moved about 10 miles farther away, I go through about, eh, 15 lights now to get to work. Having to stop at most of them vs. not having to makes quite a difference. So is being stuck behind some dipshiat going slower than traffic because they don't know where they're going/are yapping on their phone/some other stupid excuse.
 
2013-05-09 04:40:03 PM
Speaking of people who don't follow the signs: 11foot8

/used to work just down the block from this bridge
 
2013-05-09 04:40:25 PM

SevenT: one thing that stuck out like a sore thumb when I first arrived on US shores, and still does, is how often I can drive unobstructed in the right lane of the interstate because everyone else is either in the center or left lane. Its like they are zombies and cannot figure out that the fastest lane at that moment is the right hand one. Nope, stick in the left lane because I want to go somewhere.... fast. Or, worse yet... why the heck bother to move over no matter my speed? I like this lane and its suited me for years, so here I will stay and screw everyone else

And it seems like it doesn't matter who, but as soon as they enter the interstate, all these drivers head to the left as if it was magnetized.

There's nothing like the little old lady who says she never has problems on the Interstate. "I just drive in the left lane and there is a clear road ahead of me." Yeah lady, but did you look behind you at the line of 50 cars that you are holding up?


Entitlement.
 
2013-05-09 04:40:32 PM

SevenT: OK... so confession time. I did not grow up in the US (although if I had l been born here I might not have grown up yet either, but that's another issue), but I have now lived in Florida for nearly 2 decades.

The one thing that stuck out like a sore thumb when I first arrived on US shores, and still does, is how often I can drive unobstructed in the right lane of the interstate because everyone else is either in the center or left lane. Its like they are zombies and cannot figure out that the fastest lane at that moment is the right hand one. Nope, stick in the left lane because I want to go somewhere.... fast. Or, worse yet... why the heck bother to move over no matter my speed? I like this lane and its suited me for years, so here I will stay and screw everyone else

And it seems like it doesn't matter who, but as soon as they enter the interstate, all these drivers head to the left as if it was magnetized.

There's nothing like the little old lady who says she never has problems on the Interstate. "I just drive in the left lane and there is a clear road ahead of me." Yeah lady, but did you look behind you at the line of 50 cars that you are holding up?

There has to be a cultural reason for this. Can anyone explain?


They're stupid.
 
2013-05-09 04:42:26 PM
bschool.pepperdine.edu


We're gonna need more ticket books!
 
2013-05-09 04:43:10 PM

PJ-: imfallen_angel: How about just going with a pet peeve while driving bingo.

1- slow drivers

2- drivers that have no clue on how to use their signal lights

3- drivers that believe that those lines on the ground are only for decoration and doesn't apply to them

4- similar to #3, but these drivers believe that regardless of how many lanes they are, that they are driving on all of them, swerving from one side of the road to the other back and forth, over and over again, I'm guessing after learning to drive on a racing video game.

5- getting stuck behind the asshat in the standard at a red light in a small hill, where the asshat cannot handle being able to prevent his vehicle from creeping backwards bit by bit as he has no ability with a clutch. (but will assure you of how great a driver they are)

6- cellphones, either talking or texting, they should be pulled over and kicked and such like a faulty printer.  I've see idiots holding their cells to their head while letting go of the steering wheel because they needed to make gestures while talking. Same with the ones applying make-up while driving.

7- dogs, another scenario where the driver that has the dog on their lap (or jumping all over the place) should be pulled over and beaten until their spleen comes out.

8- bumper riders... "look idiot, I'm either going at the limit or even higher (and that's the limit that I will go as I refuse to get a ticket over your dumbass), there is no way for me to let you pass right now because if I could I would as I enjoy having a buffer for the cops to go after, and if you seriously need to get to that red light 3 seconds faster so you can show your amazing braking abilities, you should go rent a racetrack and get it out of your system."

You do realize that right now your post makes you look like one of those people who scream at their windshield because someone isn't driving the way they want them to.  #5 by the way, OH NOES!!! A little bump to your car that probably didn't even cause a dent in your bumper.

You need to relax a bit there, not everybody in the world works by your schedule.  I'm one of those people that drives under the speed limit if i'm not in a rush to get anywhere.  If I am in fact in a rush, then I might push it to 5-10 over the speed limit.  I don't do it because i'm a scared driver, I do it because you don't farking know who is going to do what on the road, and if you are going too fast, your reflex speed won't be fast enough to prevent you from t-boning some douchebag who didn't stop for a red light.


You say that like the douchebag running the red light doesn't fully deserve a t-boning. You wouldn't be found at fault, hell, you'd probably get a new car out of the deal if you have decent insurance.
 
2013-05-09 04:46:02 PM

Gos2Slo: My new favorite traffic game is boxing out people who got in the wrong lane and try to jump in front of traffic (often speeding across 3 lanes of traffic) to cut in front of everyone to make their last-second turn.

I swear to GOD I will steamroll your little POS Mitsubishi and make you take a long-ass detour to get where you're going. Get in the proper lane and wait like everyone else, I don't let anyone in front of me (or behind me) if I can help it.

/Big truck SMASH!


My favorite is the eventual obituary if it hasn't already happened, of the (maybe 18) year old motorcycle rider who first came up in the left lane (3 lanes, I was in the middle) on the interstate and swung with a half an inch to spare in front of the Lexus SUV my mother owns and had me driving while she napped.  We were passing an 18 wheeler at the time.  Then the motorcycle sped up, and swung with the same distance to spare in front of the truck.  Following which the rider turned off on the exit. 

While I had enough line of sight to see the motorcycle, and enough room behind me to slow down.  The trucker never saw the guy in his mirror, was too high off the ground to see the motorcycle, and he definitely did not see Future Smear swing in front of him.  And I guarantee that if he saw anything at all, he wondered where the hell the motorcycle came from that turned off at the exit.
 
2013-05-09 04:49:02 PM

CrazyCracka420: That's another pet peeve I would see every day after work. The entrance turn lane would always be backed up very far. It was the same every single day. Not every car will get through the turn before the light turns red. The faster people are at the turn, the more cars get through. But you always have one or two assholes who take their sweet time and instead of 20 cars making it through, only 15 do. Not something to rage over, but certainly inconsiderate of them. I just think that a lot of the drivers on the road, just don't think all that much about their actions and how it affects the other drivers.


Nothing beats being stuck behind someone that sits there inching forward as slow as they can and just as they reach the intersection, they appear to wait for the light to go yellow and THEN they slam forward like a bat out of hell. And then the light is too far gone for anyone else to go through.

But then again, the number of red lights infraction I see on an ongoing bases is staggering.  The cops are asses about doing "safety week" and go for anyone going under a yellow, but in "real life" the number of red lights goers that get away (some within an inch of smashing into someone or have someone smash into them) is just amazing.
 
2013-05-09 04:49:26 PM

Gentoolive: The All-Powerful Atheismo: As a guy who thinks people who drive more than 5 or 10 over the speed limit are dangerous psychotics except in case of extreme emergency, This is an idea I can support.

The left lane is for people going the speed limit or slightly over.  Not for slow driving.

You are the one everyone in this thread is complaining about.


Hilarious, retarded, and wrong.

Considering that I agree with everyone in this thread that says this law is a good idea.

BTW if you feel the need or desire to go 80 in a 65 when there is a single other car on the road, (which there always is around here), you are a dangerous person.
 
2013-05-09 04:55:00 PM
justtray:stevetherobot: If you just barely make it through one light, chances are you will be caught be the next.

Wrong. I don't know where you got your education, but you should get a refund.

On tha street, bayybeee! It's happened to me and I've seen it happen to others.
 
2013-05-09 04:55:14 PM

run4urlife: [img.gawkerassets.com image 640x360]


hey, where the hell did that come from?
www.majhost.com
 
2013-05-09 04:55:50 PM

SevenT: OK... so confession time. I did not grow up in the US (although if I had l been born here I might not have grown up yet either, but that's another issue), but I have now lived in Florida for nearly 2 decades.

The one thing that stuck out like a sore thumb when I first arrived on US shores, and still does, is how often I can drive unobstructed in the right lane of the interstate because everyone else is either in the center or left lane. Its like they are zombies and cannot figure out that the fastest lane at that moment is the right hand one. Nope, stick in the left lane because I want to go somewhere.... fast. Or, worse yet... why the heck bother to move over no matter my speed? I like this lane and its suited me for years, so here I will stay and screw everyone else

And it seems like it doesn't matter who, but as soon as they enter the interstate, all these drivers head to the left as if it was magnetized.

There's nothing like the little old lady who says she never has problems on the Interstate. "I just drive in the left lane and there is a clear road ahead of me." Yeah lady, but did you look behind you at the line of 50 cars that you are holding up?

There has to be a cultural reason for this. Can anyone explain?


You want to know the honest reason? Those people are actually scared of driving. They consider being on the road to be a terrifying thing, and by getting in the far left lane, it ensures that they only have to focus on what's in front, to the right, and behind them (although behind them is usually not a concern), unlike any other lane where you have to be aware of all your surroundings.

They're chicken-shiats (which is why I called them that in the boobies (haha fark filter, I TYPED boobies, not you!!) who really don't want to be there in the first place and don't want to have the responsiblity of being aware of their surroundings.
 
2013-05-09 04:58:10 PM
"Minimum speed" laws like this Florida one don't make much sense. Here in CA we have a very sensible rule, written with a fancy, lawyer-y word in it:

"21654.  (a) Notwithstanding the prima facie speed limits, any vehicle proceeding upon a highway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at such time shall be driven in the right-hand lane for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand edge or curb, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway."

And we have signage to that effect pretty much everywhere:

phantomtraffic.com

Is that so hard?
 
2013-05-09 04:59:29 PM

Pud: I think it should be legal to do the PIT maneuver on any car pacing the car in the lane to their right. If you're going to do the same speed as the car next to you, get in front of them, get behind them, just get the hell out of MY way


My favorite thing when driving is when am coming up on someone and move over to pass, despite the fact that I'm on cruise control and haven't varied my speed at all, I suddenly find that the car to my right is going the same speed as me.

Or when I've just passed someone and the guy who's tailgating me cuts over to the right lane and passes me on the right because apparently they've never learned about safe following distances on either side of a car. That becomes even more awesome when other cars start doing the same thing, so now you've got several cars passing you on your right.
 
2013-05-09 05:00:24 PM

timujin: run4urlife: [img.gawkerassets.com image 640x360]

hey, where the hell did that come from?
[www.majhost.com image 489x323]


Mine's from 2008, btw, farking copycats...
http://www.fark.com/comments/3692641/Seattle-police-are-ticketing-sl ow -drivers-in-fast-lane

/*grumble*
 
2013-05-09 05:02:36 PM
Whateva whateva, I drive a Mustang, I do what I want.
 
2013-05-09 05:08:51 PM
::sigh::

Yet another thread full of people who don't know that the speed limit is... the limit. The fastest you are supposed to go. Doesn't matter if you are passing. Doesn't matter if the 'flow of traffic' (another way to say "everyone else was doin it...") is going faster. Doesn't matter if you're the only one on the road.

The speed limit is the fastest you can go, given perfect road conditions. (note that last part- if there are any adverse conditions- rain/snow/hail/sleet/dust storm/wet road surface/sun glare in your eyes/etc/etc/etc/, you should be going SLOWER than the limit.) Under no conditions can you go faster than the limit.

If everyone followed that one simple rulelaw, there would be fewer accidents, less severe accidents, and no stupid arguing over 'keep right except to pass' (aka, 'get outa my way so Ican break the law!')

Buy y'all wanna get to your destination 20 seconds faster, so....
 
2013-05-09 05:10:19 PM

Pocket Ninja: Passing lane. It is more difficult to say, but think of the payoffs.


What's that? Ah -Payoffs? Don't talk about -payoffs?You kidding me?Payoffs? I just hope we can get another lane! Another lane!
 
2013-05-09 05:13:00 PM

fredklein: ::sigh::

Yet another thread full of people who don't know that the speed limit is... the limit. The fastest you are supposed to go. Doesn't matter if you are passing. Doesn't matter if the 'flow of traffic' (another way to say "everyone else was doin it...") is going faster. Doesn't matter if you're the only one on the road.

The speed limit is the fastest you can go, given perfect road conditions. (note that last part- if there are any adverse conditions- rain/snow/hail/sleet/dust storm/wet road surface/sun glare in your eyes/etc/etc/etc/, you should be going SLOWER than the limit.) Under no conditions can you go faster than the limit.

If everyone followed that one simple rulelaw, there would be fewer accidents, less severe accidents, and no stupid arguing over 'keep right except to pass' (aka, 'get outa my way so Ican break the law!')

Buy y'all wanna get to your destination 20 seconds faster, so....


Except the speed limit is usually 80% of the maximum rated speed the road is designed to handle.  The law is a LIE.
 
2013-05-09 05:14:33 PM

serial_crusher: I've always thought they should do graduated speed limits in 5mph increments per lane.
i.e. if posted sign says 70mph,
right lane: no minimum, max 70mph
center lane: 70 min, 75 max
left lane: 75 min, 80 max
etc

You'd probably have to work on the "slower traffic keep right" laws to be compatible with that though.  i.e. it's currently illegal to drive the speed limit in the left lane, if you're not passing anybody, but with this there's good reason to be hanging out in the left lane, so need some way to resolve the situation where a guy going faster than you approaches.  I guess it's reasonable to say that you need to change lanes and slow down to that lane's sped limit until the other guy has passed you?


Uh yeah. Run that by the state police. I'm sure they will be 100% supportive of your contention that it is illegal to go the speed limit in the left hand lane.

I've only lived in two states, but I'm pretty sure that the drivers ed I took through my high school was totally incorrect about the speed limit applying to all lanes of traffic. That state trooper who led the class was just yanking our chains.

/who the fark teaches that the speed limit only applies to one lane? No wonder there are so many idiots on the road
//truck driver
///truck governed at 65 and I WILL pass that other truck going 64 even if it takes me 5 miles to do it taking hills into consideration. Call my company all you like, they won't care. They care about me getting from point A to point B with the load ASAP
 
2013-05-09 05:15:38 PM
BMW Isetta !
BMW the ultimate driving machine
 
2013-05-09 05:19:28 PM

fredklein: ::sigh::

Yet another thread full of people who don't know that the speed limit is... the limit. The fastest you are supposed to go. Doesn't matter if you are passing. Doesn't matter if the 'flow of traffic' (another way to say "everyone else was doin it...") is going faster. Doesn't matter if you're the only one on the road.

The speed limit is the fastest you can go, given perfect road conditions. (note that last part- if there are any adverse conditions- rain/snow/hail/sleet/dust storm/wet road surface/sun glare in your eyes/etc/etc/etc/, you should be going SLOWER than the limit.) Under no conditions can you go faster than the limit.

If everyone followed that one simple rulelaw, there would be fewer accidents, less severe accidents, and no stupid arguing over 'keep right except to pass' (aka, 'get outa my way so Ican break the law!')

Buy y'all wanna get to your destination 20 seconds faster, so....


That's bullshiat and you know it. The speed limit is an arbitrary number that's mainly designed to maximize the number of tickets for law enforcement. The only time it's actually for safety are in school zones (which I don't dare go above 20 in).

Texas raised the speed limit to 85 on long stretches because it was asinine to have a cap at 70 when you aren't seeing shiat for 3-4 hours at a time.
 
2013-05-09 05:20:06 PM

another cultural observer: Except the speed limit is usually 80% of the maximum rated speed the road is designed to handle. The law is a LIE.


So get the law changed. I'll be behind you all the way.

Until then, however, you must follow the law as it is written.
 
2013-05-09 05:22:30 PM

fredklein: another cultural observer: Except the speed limit is usually 80% of the maximum rated speed the road is designed to handle. The law is a LIE.

So get the law changed. I'll be behind you all the way.

Until then, however, you must follow the law as it is written.


I cannot be forced to follow the law.  I can choose to follow the law, or choose not to follow the law, taking into account the risks and rewards.
 
2013-05-09 05:23:11 PM

fredklein: If everyone followed that one simple rulelaw, there would be fewer accidents, less severe accidents, and no stupid arguing over 'keep right except to pass' (aka, 'get outa my way so Ican break the law!')

 
I know you're just being a prick to annoy people (although you're awfully late for this sort of trolling), but, no, there wouldn't. Speed is virtually never the cause of a crash. And cars are far safer today than they were when almost every speed limit in the country was last set. And in my state it's just as illegal to drive in the left lane without passing as it is to speed.


tl;dr: shut the fark up, troll
 
2013-05-09 05:23:29 PM

fredklein: other cultural observer: Except the speed limit is usually 80% of the maximum rated speed the road is designed to handle. The law is a LIE.

So get the law changed. I'll be behind you all the way.


No the problem is you're in front of me all the way and won't get the fark over!
 
2013-05-09 05:24:02 PM
I'm ok with this. And they'll be easy to catch because they're going so slow.
 
2013-05-09 05:24:55 PM

scottydoesntknow: That's bullshiat and you know it. The speed limit is an arbitrary number that's mainly designed to maximize the number of tickets for law enforcement.


Whether this is true or not, the law is the law. If you disagree with it, you have the right to petition for it to be changed. However, until and unless it is changed, you must follow it as it currently is. You can't just up and say say "I think this law is wrong" and expect to be allowed to get away with breaking it.
 
2013-05-09 05:27:05 PM

another cultural observer: I cannot be forced to follow the law. I can choose to follow the law, or choose not to follow the law, taking into account the risks and rewards.


And one of those 'risks' is getting your Drivers License taken away. Then you can't drive AT ALL, not to mention speed. (Well, you could drive without a license, but if you keep doing that, you'll end up in jail, and lose a lot more than driving privileges.)
 
2013-05-09 05:31:15 PM
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2013-05-09 05:31:28 PM
I'll be glad when these problems don't exist in 10-15 years.
 
2013-05-09 05:32:21 PM

fredklein: You can't just up and say say "I think this law is wrong" and expect to be allowed to get away with breaking it.


Really? I've gotten away with it a lot more than not. One ticket in 20 years. I speed almost every day.

I think you might be full of crap.
 
2013-05-09 05:33:23 PM

fredklein: another cultural observer: I cannot be forced to follow the law. I can choose to follow the law, or choose not to follow the law, taking into account the risks and rewards.

And one of those 'risks' is getting your Drivers License taken away. Then you can't drive AT ALL, not to mention speed. (Well, you could drive without a license, but if you keep doing that, you'll end up in jail, and lose a lot more than driving privileges.)


A risk I'm willing to run, but you're incorrect that anyone "MUST" follow the law.  You can go murder someone.  The law won't stop you.  You'll get consequences, but maybe not.  Even if you do get caught...you still murdered someone, despite the law.
 
2013-05-09 05:34:10 PM

skozlaw: Speed is virtually never the cause of a crash.


Really?

http://www.swov.nl/rapport/Factsheets/UK/FS_Speed.pdf
The exact relation between speed and crashes depends on many factors.However, in a general
sense the relation is very clear: if on a road the driven speeds become higher, the crash rate will also
increase. The crash rate is also higher for an individual vehicle that drives at higher speed than the other traffic
on that road.
As speeds get higher, crashes also result in more serious injury, for the
driver who caused the crash as well as for the crash opponent.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision
A number of factors contribute to the risk of collision, including vehicle design, speed of operation, road design, road environment, driver skill and/or impairment, and driver behaviour.
...
The U.S. Department of Transportation's Federal Highway Administration review research on traffic speed in 1998. The summary states:

That the evidence shows that the risk of having a crash is increased both for vehicles traveling slower than the average speed, and for those traveling above the average speed.
That the risk of being injured increases exponentially with speeds much faster than the median speed.
That the severity/lethality of a crash depends on the vehicle speed change at impact.
That there is limited evidence that suggests that lower speed limits result in lower speeds on a system wide basis.
That most crashes related to speed involve speed too fast for the conditions.


So, like I said, speeding causes MORE crashes, and WORSE crashes.
 
2013-05-09 05:34:51 PM

fredklein: And one of those 'risks' is getting your Drivers License taken away. Then you can't drive AT ALL


You're kidding right?

When you lose your license, do they chop off your hands or something where you live?
 
2013-05-09 05:36:56 PM

fredklein: skozlaw: Speed is virtually never the cause of a crash.

Really?

http://www.swov.nl/rapport/Factsheets/UK/FS_Speed.pdf
The exact relation between speed and crashes depends on many factors.However, in a general
sense the relation is very clear: if on a road the driven speeds become higher, the crash rate will also
increase. The crash rate is also higher for an individual vehicle that drives at higher speed than the other traffic
on that road.
As speeds get higher, crashes also result in more serious injury, for the
driver who caused the crash as well as for the crash opponent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision
A number of factors contribute to the risk of collision, including vehicle design, speed of operation, road design, road environment, driver skill and/or impairment, and driver behaviour.
...
The U.S. Department of Transportation's Federal Highway Administration review research on traffic speed in 1998. The summary states:

That the evidence shows that the risk of having a crash is increased both for vehicles traveling slower than the average speed, and for those traveling above the average speed.
That the risk of being injured increases exponentially with speeds much faster than the median speed.
That the severity/lethality of a crash depends on the vehicle speed change at impact.
That there is limited evidence that suggests that lower speed limits result in lower speeds on a system wide basis.
That most crashes related to speed involve speed too fast for the conditions.

So, like I said, speeding causes MORE crashes, and WORSE crashes.


Speed is a "factor", not a "cause"
 
2013-05-09 05:36:58 PM

skozlaw: fredklein: You can't just up and say say "I think this law is wrong" and expect to be allowed to get away with breaking it.

Really? I've gotten away with it a lot more than not. One ticket in 20 years. I speed almost every day.

I think you might be full of crap.


Hope you don't live next door to someone who disagrees with the Laws against kidnapping/rape/murder...
 
2013-05-09 05:37:04 PM

un4gvn666: fredklein: And one of those 'risks' is getting your Drivers License taken away. Then you can't drive AT ALL

You're kidding right?

When you lose your license, do they chop off your hands or something where you live?


I lost a pinky after getting 5 points on my license. They said if I get another one they'll take a thumb.
 
2013-05-09 05:37:24 PM
All of you speed demons who think that you should be allowed to drive at unlimited speed just like on the Autobahn ignore one major thing, which is that they have extremely restrictive laws on the behavior of drivers. In exchange for the right to drive fast, you lose the right to tailgate and intimidate and act like a bully. It appears that many of you enjoy the aggression so much that you'd rather drive like a bully than drive fast.
 
2013-05-09 05:37:27 PM

fredklein: Really?


Good point. Let me rephrase:

Speeding is virtually never the cause of a crash.
 
2013-05-09 05:38:02 PM

fredklein: Hope you don't live next door to someone who disagrees with the Laws against kidnapping/rape/murder...


Said the troll.
 
2013-05-09 05:38:16 PM

fredklein: skozlaw: fredklein: You can't just up and say say "I think this law is wrong" and expect to be allowed to get away with breaking it.

Really? I've gotten away with it a lot more than not. One ticket in 20 years. I speed almost every day.

I think you might be full of crap.

Hope you don't live next door to someone who disagrees with the Laws against kidnapping/rape/murder...


Well...that escalated quickly!
 
2013-05-09 05:39:47 PM

Huggermugger: All of you speed demons who think that you should be allowed to drive at unlimited speed just like on the Autobahn ignore one major thing, which is that they have extremely restrictive laws on the behavior of drivers. In exchange for the right to drive fast, you lose the right to tailgate and intimidate and act like a bully. It appears that many of you enjoy the aggression so much that you'd rather drive like a bully than drive fast.


So are they speed demons or bullies? Nm, this is a strawman anyways, I don't really care.

If you're not good enough at driving to drive fast, leave the left lane to those who can.
 
2013-05-09 05:39:53 PM

skozlaw: Driving rant thread!

1. Don't be left of any traffic you aren't passing

2. Don't drive under the speed limit on the interstate no matter what lane you're in (barring weather or other special conditions)

3. Use your farking turn signal

4. Don't change lanes just because the person in front of you isn't passing "fast enough" for your taste

5. Don't merge without looking

6. Don't stop at a farking yield sign unless you actually have to

7. Don't ride all the way to the end of the farking onramp before you stop if you can see you're not going to be able to merge

8. 4 way stops have three simple rules: FIFO, Yield to the right, Yield on a left turn

9. If your goddamn wheels never actually stop moving at the intersection, you didn't stop and it's my farking turn

10. Don't slow down to 3 mph to make a right turn

11. Don't fark around with your phone just because the light's red, pay attention

12. Don't "wave me through" something when it's not my turn

13. You have an accelerator, use it. Don't take 30 seconds to get up to speed for no reason

14. Don't pull onto the interstate early from the ramp if you're not up to speed yet

15. Don't gawk at accidents you drooling dipshiats, I'd like to get home, not stare at blinky fire truck lights

16. AWD doesn't mean you can go 60 mph in the snow safely on your summer tires

17. Don't stomp on your gas just because the line of stopped traffic moved another 10 feet

18. The fact that you used the wrong lane for 500 feet to try and fly past a line of traffic you didn't feel like waiting in isn't my problem and I won't slow down just to let you over where you need to be.

I have no idea why people go out of their way to make driving so hard. It really isn't that difficult.


#18 is how I know you don't know what a zip merge is. You're the problem, not the solution when you move over too early.
 
2013-05-09 05:40:22 PM

Huggermugger: All of you speed demons who think that you should be allowed to drive at unlimited speed just like on the Autobahn ignore one major thing, which is that they have extremely restrictive laws on the behavior of drivers. In exchange for the right to drive fast, you lose the right to tailgate and intimidate and act like a bully. It appears that many of you enjoy the aggression so much that you'd rather drive like a bully than drive fast.


I bully slow drivers by passing them and then going more slowly than they are.  It's quite satisfying.  "what's wrong, old lady?  Someone going slow? Inconveniencing you? I can relate.  I guess you'll have to muster up your old lady courage and pass me."
 
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