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2013-05-09 01:10:19 PM  
Fark that, it should be anything slower than the posted speed limit (barring traffic/accidents). If you're in the left lane going 56 in a 65 you're still royally farking up traffic flow.

/Hate chicken-shiat douchebags that just ride in the left lane because they don't know how to actually drive
 
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2013-05-09 01:12:18 PM  
I think it should be legal to do the PIT maneuver on any car pacing the car in the lane to their right. If you're going to do the same speed as the car next to you, get in front of them, get behind them, just get the hell out of MY way
 
2013-05-09 01:14:11 PM  
Difficulty: There is no fast lane

/Use the left lane to pass, then get the fark out of it
 
2013-05-09 01:14:55 PM  
Before everyone starts calling them heroes and lauding this new law, just remember this.

They're going to have more patrol cars out to monitor the fast lane, which means they'll be catching more people for speeding too. You're gonna get busted just like the dbag going ten under.
 
2013-05-09 01:25:58 PM  

scottydoesntknow: it should be anything slower than the posted speed limit


I think VA is like this for trucks.
 
2013-05-09 01:33:42 PM  

the_sidewinder: Difficulty: There is no fast lane


See, this is truly the crux of the problem, and has always been so. The issue here is that generations of Americans have, as a sort of shorthand, referred to the left lane on a highway as "the fast lane." But the problem with that is that the word "fast" is quite subjective. I might, for example, believe that since the speed limit is 55, and I am going 57, I am going "fast" and therefore have every much a right to be in the lane as anyone else. Yes, I would have to be a slack-jawed simpleton to believe this, a halfwit bumpkin of no relative merit or worth, but the fact of the matter is that many American are exactly those things. I mean, have you been to Maryland?

So stop calling it a fast lane. Spend the extra syllable, refer to it as a passing lane. As in the following:

If I am not at this moment actively engaged in the process of passing a vehicle situated on my right-hand side, I should move immediately into the right lane myself and only re-enter the left lane when it becomes again necessary to pass another vehicle. The speed of my passing is irrelevant. How fast I believe I am going is irrelevant. All that matters is the action of passing, nothing else, and then, like a salmon who has just finished spawning and will now rest and die, the act of again moving right. This until it is time to spawn again.

Think of slack-jawed simpletons, the halfwit bumpkins everywhere. The Marylanders struggling to understand difficult concepts like "signs" and "signals." Make things easier, not more complicated. Passing lane. It is more difficult to say, but think of the payoffs.
 
2013-05-09 01:35:36 PM  

TheHighlandHowler: scottydoesntknow: it should be anything slower than the posted speed limit

I think VA is like this for trucks.


I remember going to Houston from Dallas one summer between semesters. Two douchebag big-rigs were doing 68 (in a 70) and right next to each other, taking up both lanes. This went on for a few minutes (everyone behind honking, flashing lights, etc.) I'm right behind him and I notice he has one of those "How Am I Driving?" stickers.

I call it up, speak to the woman on the other line, tell her exactly what's happening and threaten to call Highway Patrol because they're obstructing traffic. About one minute later the douchebag in the left lane hits his brakes (slowing everyone down), and gets over into the right behind the other one.

He probably got about 40 middle fingers as everyone was passing him.
 
2013-05-09 01:40:57 PM  
It's a good start. Now on to bicycles.

Let's pass a law acknowledging that if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic on the road you are a hazard to yourself and others, running red lights to make up the time that you spent jacking up traffic previously is not a viable solution, and you should not be allowed to endanger lives on public roadways just to satisfy your need to feel morally superior.
 
2013-05-09 01:45:53 PM  

TheHighlandHowler: I think VA is like this for trucks.


In Missouri, I believe that if a highway is more than two lanes in your direction, trucks are never allowed in the left lane.
 
2013-05-09 01:46:12 PM  
what about trikes

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2013-05-09 01:51:50 PM  

scottydoesntknow: big-rigs were doing 68 (in a 70) and right next to each other, taking up both lanes.


IIRC, a few years back VA used to have a 55 limit for trucks and a 65 for cars.  This resulted in what I used to call "the sixty mile per hour truck races," and miles of back-up traffic.
 
2013-05-09 01:52:56 PM  
Lots of states have been doing similar things for years:

www.mesalek.com
 
2013-05-09 01:55:57 PM  
Only if an infraction merits the death penalty is this worthwhile.
 
2013-05-09 01:58:54 PM  
I assume they once again failed to address the menace of uncanceled turn signals?
 
2013-05-09 01:59:29 PM  

eraser8: Lots of states have been doing similar things for years:

[www.mesalek.com image 650x400]


they should make the speed limit 65 and make minimum 64.68 and monitor the road with lasers
 
2013-05-09 02:06:34 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: I assume they once again failed to address the menace of uncanceled turn signals?


The people I want cannonized* are the people who brake and only use their turn signals once they've slowed down to 5 miles per hour.  Please, for the love of all that is good, signal your turn BEFORE applying the brake.

*cannonized: to be shot out of a cannon.  Not to be confused with canonized: to be declared a saint.
 
2013-05-09 02:10:36 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: eraser8: Lots of states have been doing similar things for years:

[www.mesalek.com image 650x400]

they should make the speed limit 65 and make minimum 64.68 and monitor the road with lasers


Wait...are the lasers for measuring speed of for vaporizing offenders?
 
2013-05-09 02:11:40 PM  
Yeah, this will be enforced.

*rolls eyes*

"Feel good" legislation.

Now excuse me, I have a call from CARD SERVICES coming in.
 
2013-05-09 02:25:57 PM  
I've always thought they should do graduated speed limits in 5mph increments per lane.
i.e. if posted sign says 70mph,
right lane: no minimum, max 70mph
center lane: 70 min, 75 max
left lane: 75 min, 80 max
etc

You'd probably have to work on the "slower traffic keep right" laws to be compatible with that though.  i.e. it's currently illegal to drive the speed limit in the left lane, if you're not passing anybody, but with this there's good reason to be hanging out in the left lane, so need some way to resolve the situation where a guy going faster than you approaches.  I guess it's reasonable to say that you need to change lanes and slow down to that lane's sped limit until the other guy has passed you?
 
2013-05-09 02:35:45 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Fark that, it should be anything slower than the posted speed limit (barring traffic/accidents). If you're in the left lane going 56 in a 65 you're still royally farking up traffic flow.

/Hate chicken-shiat douchebags that just ride in the left lane because they don't know how to actually drive



Ugh....that's too common in Washington State.
 
2013-05-09 02:37:56 PM  
Alot of anger and frustration being expressed in this thread.

When you embrace that fact that everyone else is more important than you, you won't be nearly as frustrated with driving.
 
2013-05-09 02:39:03 PM  

serial_crusher: I've always thought they should do graduated speed limits in 5mph increments per lane.


Whoa there, cowboy. In theory I agree with you, but half the people driving on Interstates now can't handle it. Just because it's the law isn't going to stop grandpa from hugging the left shoulder.
 
2013-05-09 02:40:54 PM  

Diogenes: Alot of anger and frustration being expressed in this thread.

When you embrace that fact that everyone else is more important than you, you won't be nearly as frustrated with driving.


Don't you have to go look for an honest man or something?
 
2013-05-09 02:46:03 PM  
Any RV driver who willfully moves into the left-most (or "passing" lane) for any reason other than avoiding an accident or at the express command of an on-duty law enforcement officer shall have the driver's license suspended and revoked and the physical license itself cut into triangular pieces no smaller than one-half inch and no larger than one inch on each said and have the aforementioned pieces hammered up the driver's urethra using a rusty ball-peen hammer at a public ceremony.
 
2013-05-09 02:47:30 PM  
Dammit. "side" not "said."

I'm smashing my keyboard into 1/3rd inch pieces and getting a hammer.
 
2013-05-09 02:50:15 PM  

show me: Diogenes: Alot of anger and frustration being expressed in this thread.

When you embrace that fact that everyone else is more important than you, you won't be nearly as frustrated with driving.

Don't you have to go look for an honest man or something?


My barrel is in the shop.  I rear ended someone cruising in the left lane.
 
2013-05-09 02:51:45 PM  

the_sidewinder: Difficulty: There is no fast lane

/Use the left lane to pass, then get the fark out of it


I dunno, Americans, I've found, are actually pretty good at this, until you add a third lane and everyone gets stupid.

/Canadian who finds most of your two-lane highways much saner than we have up here.
 
2013-05-09 02:52:09 PM  

Pocket Ninja: the_sidewinder: Difficulty: There is no fast lane

See, this is truly the crux of the problem, and has always been so. The issue here is that generations of Americans have, as a sort of shorthand, referred to the left lane on a highway as "the fast lane." But the problem with that is that the word "fast" is quite subjective. I might, for example, believe that since the speed limit is 55, and I am going 57, I am going "fast" and therefore have every much a right to be in the lane as anyone else. Yes, I would have to be a slack-jawed simpleton to believe this, a halfwit bumpkin of no relative merit or worth, but the fact of the matter is that many American are exactly those things. I mean, have you been to Maryland?

So stop calling it a fast lane. Spend the extra syllable, refer to it as a passing lane. As in the following:

If I am not at this moment actively engaged in the process of passing a vehicle situated on my right-hand side, I should move immediately into the right lane myself and only re-enter the left lane when it becomes again necessary to pass another vehicle. The speed of my passing is irrelevant. How fast I believe I am going is irrelevant. All that matters is the action of passing, nothing else, and then, like a salmon who has just finished spawning and will now rest and die, the act of again moving right. This until it is time to spawn again.

Think of slack-jawed simpletons, the halfwit bumpkins everywhere. The Marylanders struggling to understand difficult concepts like "signs" and "signals." Make things easier, not more complicated. Passing lane. It is more difficult to say, but think of the payoffs.


sings on our highways say the left lane if for passing only. or something to that effect
 
2013-05-09 02:53:51 PM  

Aarontology: Before everyone starts calling them heroes and lauding this new law, just remember this.

They're going to have more patrol cars out to monitor the fast lane, which means they'll be catching more people for speeding too. You're gonna get busted just like the dbag going ten under.


I highly doubt they're going to have more patrol cars out specifically for this. All this really does is allow a patrol car to pull over and cite a driver for driving too slow.
 
2013-05-09 02:55:05 PM  
If you go rushin' down that freeway you'll get messed around and get lost .
 
2013-05-09 02:55:25 PM  

eraser8: I_Am_Weasel: I assume they once again failed to address the menace of uncanceled turn signals?

The people I want cannonized* are the people who brake and only use their turn signals once they've slowed down to 5 miles per hour.  Please, for the love of all that is good, signal your turn BEFORE applying the brake.

*cannonized: to be shot out of a cannon.  Not to be confused with canonized: to be declared a saint.


Also people who wait to put on their directional until the light turns green.
 
2013-05-09 02:56:53 PM  
Minimum speed limits are already common, and even where they're not, cops can and will pull you over if you're going dangerously slow and there's no extenuating circumstance.

People who zone out and trudge along in the left lane won't stop doing it because of this law any more than people who drive 85 because they can handle it because [reasons]* are stopped by speed limits.

* not to be construed as wanting to hear your reasons
 
2013-05-09 02:58:32 PM  

The_Sponge: scottydoesntknow: Fark that, it should be anything slower than the posted speed limit (barring traffic/accidents). If you're in the left lane going 56 in a 65 you're still royally farking up traffic flow.

/Hate chicken-shiat douchebags that just ride in the left lane because they don't know how to actually drive


Ugh....that's too common in Washington State.

In the US

Didnt see this happen a lot in Europe.
 
2013-05-09 03:00:03 PM  

eraser8: I_Am_Weasel: I assume they once again failed to address the menace of uncanceled turn signals?

The people I want cannonized* are the people who brake and only use their turn signals once they've slowed down to 5 miles per hour.  Please, for the love of all that is good, signal your turn BEFORE applying the brake.

*cannonized: to be shot out of a cannon.  Not to be confused with canonized: to be declared a saint.


Also the guy who is already halfway into your lane before he turns the signal on for 2 blinks.  Why even bother at that point?

/ Sidetrack: I think cars should have a "straight" signal as well as the turn signals.  That way when you're at an intersection you know whether the guy is actually going straight or whether he's some idiot who's just not signaling.
 
2013-05-09 03:00:05 PM  

Cyno01: eraser8: I_Am_Weasel: I assume they once again failed to address the menace of uncanceled turn signals?

The people I want cannonized* are the people who brake and only use their turn signals once they've slowed down to 5 miles per hour.  Please, for the love of all that is good, signal your turn BEFORE applying the brake.

*cannonized: to be shot out of a cannon.  Not to be confused with canonized: to be declared a saint.

Also people who wait to put on their directional until the light turns green.


But that clicking sound is the  worst sound in the world!
 
2013-05-09 03:00:32 PM  

TheHighlandHowler: scottydoesntknow: big-rigs were doing 68 (in a 70) and right next to each other, taking up both lanes.

IIRC, a few years back VA used to have a 55 limit for trucks and a 65 for cars.  This resulted in what I used to call "the sixty mile per hour truck races," and miles of back-up traffic.


The I-5 in Southern Oregon is particularly evil for this. There is a 65/55 rule there and the place is very hilly, two lanes, and results in ridiculous truck road hogging where the truck drivers think they can pass a "slower" truck but end up losing a shiat ton of speed on the uphill slope. GAH.
 
2013-05-09 03:01:35 PM  

Aarontology: Before everyone starts calling them heroes and lauding this new law, just remember this.

They're going to have more patrol cars out to monitor the fast lane, which means they'll be catching more people for speeding too. You're gonna get busted just like the dbag going ten under.


Unless you're driving a Volvo station wagon. They seem to be invisible to cops.
 
2013-05-09 03:01:38 PM  

serial_crusher: I've always thought they should do graduated speed limits in 5mph increments per lane.
i.e. if posted sign says 70mph,
right lane: no minimum, max 70mph
center lane: 70 min, 75 max
left lane: 75 min, 80 max
etc

You'd probably have to work on the "slower traffic keep right" laws to be compatible with that though.  i.e. it's currently illegal to drive the speed limit in the left lane, if you're not passing anybody, but with this there's good reason to be hanging out in the left lane, so need some way to resolve the situation where a guy going faster than you approaches.  I guess it's reasonable to say that you need to change lanes and slow down to that lane's sped limit until the other guy has passed you?


I like this idea a lot. On wider freeways, I'd go with unlimited in the left lane, but if someone puts a petition for this in front of me, I'll sign it. If it gets on the ballot, I'll vote for it.
 
2013-05-09 03:02:11 PM  

Pocket Ninja: the_sidewinder: Difficulty: There is no fast lane

See, this is truly the crux of the problem, and has always been so. The issue here is that generations of Americans have, as a sort of shorthand, referred to the left lane on a highway as "the fast lane." But the problem with that is that the word "fast" is quite subjective. I might, for example, believe that since the speed limit is 55, and I am going 57, I am going "fast" and therefore have every much a right to be in the lane as anyone else. Yes, I would have to be a slack-jawed simpleton to believe this, a halfwit bumpkin of no relative merit or worth, but the fact of the matter is that many American are exactly those things. I mean, have you been to Maryland?

So stop calling it a fast lane. Spend the extra syllable, refer to it as a passing lane. As in the following:

If I am not at this moment actively engaged in the process of passing a vehicle situated on my right-hand side, I should move immediately into the right lane myself and only re-enter the left lane when it becomes again necessary to pass another vehicle. The speed of my passing is irrelevant. How fast I believe I am going is irrelevant. All that matters is the action of passing, nothing else, and then, like a salmon who has just finished spawning and will now rest and die, the act of again moving right. This until it is time to spawn again.

Think of slack-jawed simpletons, the halfwit bumpkins everywhere. The Marylanders struggling to understand difficult concepts like "signs" and "signals." Make things easier, not more complicated. Passing lane. It is more difficult to say, but think of the payoffs.


If you think Marylanders drive bad... Drive around Oklahoma... Still couldn't believe it.
 
2013-05-09 03:02:38 PM  

scottydoesntknow: TheHighlandHowler: scottydoesntknow: it should be anything slower than the posted speed limit

I think VA is like this for trucks.

I remember going to Houston from Dallas one summer between semesters. Two douchebag big-rigs were doing 68 (in a 70) and right next to each other, taking up both lanes.


Right...the reason for this is that driving a tractor and trailer that are close to 80,000 lb (or more depending on the state and cargo) is not like driving your Prius. If one truck in the right lane is going 68 and the one is the "passing lane" is going 69, this can go on for miles. However, the trucks are generally tracked for speed by GPS, so going 70MPH or more to pass may not be an option. Slowing down or speeding up is a trick in itself in those things and both of those take up a considerable amount of fuel. Consider they are getting maybe 4-5 MPG as it is and have hundreds more miles to go, and suddenly his unwillingness to "move" for you is not unimaginable.
 
2013-05-09 03:04:14 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Any RV driver who willfully moves into the left-most (or "passing" lane) for any reason other than avoiding an accident or at the express command of an on-duty law enforcement officer shall have the driver's license suspended and revoked and the physical license itself cut into triangular pieces no smaller than one-half inch and no larger than one inch on each said and have the aforementioned pieces hammered up the driver's urethra using a rusty ball-peen hammer at a public ceremony.


Well, I've seen RVs stuck behind a dumbass that couldn't move faster than 20 under the limit, the RV passed them, returned to their lanes and the dumbass was left behind...

So it's not an RV thing.

I couldn't care less if it's an RV or a Ferrari, if you're in the passing lane, pass, and return to the right side once cleared the slower traffic.
 
2013-05-09 03:06:40 PM  
I'm OK with this, and I"m usually the one saying you shouldn't be going over the speed limit.  You shouldn't be going slower then the posted speed anyway.

/everybody should be going the speed limit.
 
2013-05-09 03:06:45 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Yes, I would have to be a slack-jawed simpleton to believe this, a halfwit bumpkin of no relative merit or worth, but the fact of the matter is that many American are exactly those things. I mean, have you been to Maryland?

So stop calling it a fast lane. Spend the extra syllable, refer to it as a passing lane. As in the following:


In defense of Marylanders (I now feel dirty), I-95 in Maryland has entirely too many left exists and entrances, so even the term "passing lane" is only incompletely correct.
 
2013-05-09 03:07:46 PM  
I once knew an old bag senior citizen who intentionally drove slow in the fast/passing lane.
She said it was for safety reasons: "The families of those fast drivers will thank me for ensuring they got home safely after driving at a nice, safe speed"
 
2013-05-09 03:07:53 PM  

bigbadideasinaction: the_sidewinder: Difficulty: There is no fast lane

/Use the left lane to pass, then get the fark out of it

I dunno, Americans, I've found, are actually pretty good at this, until you add a third lane and everyone gets stupid.

/Canadian who finds most of your two-lane highways much saner than we have up here.


In many states, the "left lane is only for passing" rule only applies when the highway is two lanes each way. If you add a third lane, then slow traffic can use any lane. Trucks may have to stay out of the left lane since they have HUGE blind spots.
 
2013-05-09 03:07:53 PM  

Calmamity: It's a good start. Now on to bicycles.

Let's pass a law acknowledging that if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic on the road you are a hazard to yourself and others, running red lights to make up the time that you spent jacking up traffic previously is not a viable solution, and you should not be allowed to endanger lives on public roadways just to satisfy your need to feel morally superior.


OH god bicyles are the worst.  If I were traveling in my car the speed that people on bicycles go I would be ticked for obstructing the flow of traffic,  Sure you can share the road but you also get the same responsibilities and that includes keeping up with the flow of traffic.
 
2013-05-09 03:08:02 PM  

eraser8: I_Am_Weasel: I assume they once again failed to address the menace of uncanceled turn signals?

The people I want cannonized*


cache.jalopnik.com

The only way to be sure.
 
2013-05-09 03:08:22 PM  
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2013-05-09 03:08:28 PM  
If we wanted sane Left Lane Laws, it would be completely legal to drag left lane squatters from their vehicles and beat them with sticks.

/something both Democrats and Republicans can get behind.  Republicans because Hey, Violence! and Democrats because they can draft minutae regulating the size, heft and composition of the sticks and the duration of the beating.
 
2013-05-09 03:08:49 PM  

This text is now purple: Pocket Ninja: Yes, I would have to be a slack-jawed simpleton to believe this, a halfwit bumpkin of no relative merit or worth, but the fact of the matter is that many American are exactly those things. I mean, have you been to Maryland?

So stop calling it a fast lane. Spend the extra syllable, refer to it as a passing lane. As in the following:


In defense of Marylanders (I now feel dirty), I-95 in Maryland has entirely too many left exits and entrances, so even the term "passing lane" is only incompletely correct.

\Fixed
 
2013-05-09 03:08:50 PM  
As a guy who thinks people who drive more than 5 or 10 over the speed limit are dangerous psychotics except in case of extreme emergency, This is an idea I can support.

The left lane is for people going the speed limit or slightly over.  Not for slow driving.
 
2013-05-09 03:08:52 PM  
Stupid. How about a law that forbids going slower than the speed limit in the fast lane? Or better yet, a law that says if you're going slower than the traffic around you, stay out of the fast lane?
 
2013-05-09 03:09:11 PM  

okamsrazor: and suddenly his unwillingness to "move" for you is not unimaginable.


Oh. Then stay in the right lane(s, if there's more than one). If "A" is "appropriate number of lanes for trucks to use" and "n" is "number of lanes on the road", then:
A = n - 1

// and that 1 is the left-most lane
// equation not valid for n < 1
 
2013-05-09 03:10:16 PM  

Dr_Gene: I once knew an old bag senior citizen who intentionally drove slow in the fast/passing lane.
She said it was for safety reasons: "The families of those fast drivers will thank me for ensuring they got home safely after driving at a nice, safe speed"


Until the frustrated driver goes home and beats his or her spouse and children mercilessly.
 
2013-05-09 03:10:27 PM  
So a bunch of illiterate, red-neck, shiat-kickers think that passing even more legislation will change the way an even bigger bunch of illiterate, red-neck, shiat-kickers will drive.  That's Florida in one.
 
2013-05-09 03:10:34 PM  
Driving rant thread!

1. Don't be left of any traffic you aren't passing

2. Don't drive under the speed limit on the interstate no matter what lane you're in (barring weather or other special conditions)

3. Use your farking turn signal

4. Don't change lanes just because the person in front of you isn't passing "fast enough" for your taste

5. Don't merge without looking

6. Don't stop at a farking yield sign unless you actually have to

7. Don't ride all the way to the end of the farking onramp before you stop if you can see you're not going to be able to merge

8. 4 way stops have three simple rules: FIFO, Yield to the right, Yield on a left turn

9. If your goddamn wheels never actually stop moving at the intersection, you didn't stop and it's my farking turn

10. Don't slow down to 3 mph to make a right turn

11. Don't fark around with your phone just because the light's red, pay attention

12. Don't "wave me through" something when it's not my turn

13. You have an accelerator, use it. Don't take 30 seconds to get up to speed for no reason

14. Don't pull onto the interstate early from the ramp if you're not up to speed yet

15. Don't gawk at accidents you drooling dipshiats, I'd like to get home, not stare at blinky fire truck lights

16. AWD doesn't mean you can go 60 mph in the snow safely on your summer tires

17. Don't stomp on your gas just because the line of stopped traffic moved another 10 feet

18. The fact that you used the wrong lane for 500 feet to try and fly past a line of traffic you didn't feel like waiting in isn't my problem and I won't slow down just to let you over where you need to be.

I have no idea why people go out of their way to make driving so hard. It really isn't that difficult.
 
2013-05-09 03:10:50 PM  

ruetheday69: TheHighlandHowler: scottydoesntknow: big-rigs were doing 68 (in a 70) and right next to each other, taking up both lanes.

IIRC, a few years back VA used to have a 55 limit for trucks and a 65 for cars.  This resulted in what I used to call "the sixty mile per hour truck races," and miles of back-up traffic.

The I-5 in Southern Oregon is particularly evil for this. There is a 65/55 rule there and the place is very hilly, two lanes, and results in ridiculous truck road hogging where the truck drivers think they can pass a "slower" truck but end up losing a shiat ton of speed on the uphill slope. GAH.


I've always advocated roof-mounted rocket launchers for situations like that.
 
2013-05-09 03:12:42 PM  

skozlaw: 16. AWD doesn't mean you can go 60 mph in the snow safely on your summer tires


Lot of 20-somethings in WRXs in your area?
 
PJ-
2013-05-09 03:13:22 PM  
As it may surprise some of you here, there are actually a lot of people who don't understand the 'left is for passing' rule.  I remember I was on a road trip going to Maine with my ex-girlfriend who decided she wanted to do the driving as she has never done long distance driving before.  She was cruising along in the left lane when a guy behind us started honking and blinking his lights, and she had no idea why.  I told her to shift over to the right lane, and then explained that the left lane is for passing and the right lane is for cruising.  She looked and said 'I had no idea, why didn't you explain this to me before?'  to my response 'well I thought it was taught to everybody and also common sense.'

Yea, we argued a good chunk of the road trip and how I thought so little of her because she didn't know that un-written rule.
 
2013-05-09 03:13:28 PM  
The Dad of a HS buddy was teaching him to drive. Told him, among other things, not to put the turn signal on until he was INTO the turn.... didn't want to wear out the bulb prematurely,
 
2013-05-09 03:14:03 PM  

eraser8: Jon iz teh kewl: eraser8: Lots of states have been doing similar things for years:

[www.mesalek.com image 650x400]

they should make the speed limit 65 and make minimum 64.68 and monitor the road with lasers

Wait...are the lasers for measuring speed of for vaporizing offenders?


the lasers notify the planes

www.alienspouse.com
 
2013-05-09 03:14:08 PM  
THAT will be enforced. Totally. No foolies. For reals.
 
2013-05-09 03:14:20 PM  
Conditions permitting, it should be illegal to drive 10 below ANY speed limit. It's a hazard, both because it can cause accidents and can lead to road rage when I start RAMMING THAT F*&KING CAR WHO WON'T GET THE F*&K OUT OF MY WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY. *middle fingers raised*
 
2013-05-09 03:15:57 PM  
How does this affect the move over law, which requires an open lane near the safety issue and traffic slowed to 20 mph below posted speed limit?
 
2013-05-09 03:16:27 PM  

Scruffinator: Cyno01: eraser8: I_Am_Weasel: I assume they once again failed to address the menace of uncanceled turn signals?

The people I want cannonized* are the people who brake and only use their turn signals once they've slowed down to 5 miles per hour.  Please, for the love of all that is good, signal your turn BEFORE applying the brake.

*cannonized: to be shot out of a cannon.  Not to be confused with canonized: to be declared a saint.

Also people who wait to put on their directional until the light turns green.

But that clicking sound is the  worst sound in the world!


When I'm holding my coffee and my cell phone while driving with my knees, it's hard to use the turn signal.  Traffic laws are for other people, anyway.
 
2013-05-09 03:17:17 PM  

eraser8: Lots of states have been doing similar things for years:

[www.mesalek.com image 650x400]


Yeah, I think it's "impeding traffic slow" or something similar.
/I've never seen it enforced.  Especially on I81 in Virginia,
 
2013-05-09 03:17:49 PM  
Lotsa butthurt considering you ostensibly "won" here.
 
2013-05-09 03:18:25 PM  
Oh, also - cabbies who break driving laws should be fined double.

// I'd say triple, but I also want the fine to include loss of an appendage
 
2013-05-09 03:18:38 PM  
 
2013-05-09 03:19:00 PM  
How about just going with a pet peeve while driving bingo.

1- slow drivers

2- drivers that have no clue on how to use their signal lights

3- drivers that believe that those lines on the ground are only for decoration and doesn't apply to them

4- similar to #3, but these drivers believe that regardless of how many lanes they are, that they are driving on all of them, swerving from one side of the road to the other back and forth, over and over again, I'm guessing after learning to drive on a racing video game.

5- getting stuck behind the asshat in the standard at a red light in a small hill, where the asshat cannot handle being able to prevent his vehicle from creeping backwards bit by bit as he has no ability with a clutch. (but will assure you of how great a driver they are)

6- cellphones, either talking or texting, they should be pulled over and kicked and such like a faulty printer.  I've see idiots holding their cells to their head while letting go of the steering wheel because they needed to make gestures while talking. Same with the ones applying make-up while driving.

7- dogs, another scenario where the driver that has the dog on their lap (or jumping all over the place) should be pulled over and beaten until their spleen comes out.

8- bumper riders... "look idiot, I'm either going at the limit or even higher (and that's the limit that I will go as I refuse to get a ticket over your dumbass), there is no way for me to let you pass right now because if I could I would as I enjoy having a buffer for the cops to go after, and if you seriously need to get to that red light 3 seconds faster so you can show your amazing braking abilities, you should go rent a racetrack and get it out of your system."
 
2013-05-09 03:19:07 PM  

Albert911emt: Stupid. How about a law that forbids going slower than the speed limit in the fast lane? Or better yet, a law that says if you're going slower than the traffic around you, stay out of the fast lane?


While I love the sentiment here, the speed limit is a law.  It's the limit.  If you are going 66 in a 65 mph zone, you're breaking the law.  This is exceedingly stupid, what I see in this law is a tacit acknowledgement that yeah, everyone speeds in the left lane.  So how about we not only introduce a minimum but we raise the speed limit for the left lane then?  Because really, there's no problem if speeders kept it under the limit.

And yes, yes I speed all the time.  I always try to keep it either 9 or 14 over the limit.
 
2013-05-09 03:19:18 PM  
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2013-05-09 03:19:32 PM  

tricycleracer: Lot of 20-somethings in WRXs in your area?


40-something women in XC90s.... Volvo + blonde woman with children = unstable lunatic.
 
2013-05-09 03:21:16 PM  
FTA:If Gov. Scott signs the legislation into law, drivers would face a $60 fine for driving 10 mph or more under the posted speed limit in the left lane.
The law would apply to any road or highway with two or more lanes.

Two lanes?  I'm assuming they mean two lanes going in the same direction.
 
2013-05-09 03:22:35 PM  
The only thing worse than the ones who don't signal are the dipshiats who drive around for miles with their farking turn signals on.

Also, quit turning into the far lane you stupid assholes.
 
2013-05-09 03:22:53 PM  

skozlaw: 8. 4 way stops have three simple rules: FIFO, Yield to the right, Yield on a left turn


Farking this.  I'm always amazed by how complicated drivers' handbooks (and that goddamn online defensive driving class I have to take to get out of my annual speeding ticket) try to make it seem.  They'll give you paragraphs and paragraphs that really just boil down to that.
Really, 4-way stops are not a special case at all.  All stop signs have 4 simple rules:  guy without a stop sign gets to go, then the 3 you mentioned
 
2013-05-09 03:23:15 PM  
They didn't care they were just dying to get off.
 
2013-05-09 03:23:31 PM  

Calmamity: It's a good start. Now on to bicycles.

Let's pass a law acknowledging that if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic on the road you are a hazard to yourself and others, running red lights to make up the time that you spent jacking up traffic previously is not a viable solution, and you should not be allowed to endanger lives on public roadways just to satisfy your need to feel morally superior.


Or you could blow me. Either way.
 
2013-05-09 03:23:49 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: what about trikes

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I didn't realize that Ernie was so hippy.
 
2013-05-09 03:23:52 PM  
Good.  Now maybe they'll start doing something about:

1.  People standing still on the left side of the escalator, and
2.  People in the "12 Items or Less" checkout lane with anything more than 12 items to pay for.
 
2013-05-09 03:24:21 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Fark that, it should be anything slower than the posted speed limit (barring traffic/accidents). If you're in the left lane going 56 in a 65 you're still royally farking up traffic flow.

/Hate chicken-shiat douchebags that just ride in the left lane because they don't know how to actually drive


Can't do that, at some point, if you reach someone going the same speed, you need to slow down to get behind them, since we can't give you carte blanche to speed in order to pass them.

Did you hear that, assholes?  If someone is traveling roughly the same speed as you in the right hand land, you need to slow down and get the hell over.
 
PJ-
2013-05-09 03:24:40 PM  

imfallen_angel: How about just going with a pet peeve while driving bingo.

1- slow drivers

2- drivers that have no clue on how to use their signal lights

3- drivers that believe that those lines on the ground are only for decoration and doesn't apply to them

4- similar to #3, but these drivers believe that regardless of how many lanes they are, that they are driving on all of them, swerving from one side of the road to the other back and forth, over and over again, I'm guessing after learning to drive on a racing video game.

5- getting stuck behind the asshat in the standard at a red light in a small hill, where the asshat cannot handle being able to prevent his vehicle from creeping backwards bit by bit as he has no ability with a clutch. (but will assure you of how great a driver they are)

6- cellphones, either talking or texting, they should be pulled over and kicked and such like a faulty printer.  I've see idiots holding their cells to their head while letting go of the steering wheel because they needed to make gestures while talking. Same with the ones applying make-up while driving.

7- dogs, another scenario where the driver that has the dog on their lap (or jumping all over the place) should be pulled over and beaten until their spleen comes out.

8- bumper riders... "look idiot, I'm either going at the limit or even higher (and that's the limit that I will go as I refuse to get a ticket over your dumbass), there is no way for me to let you pass right now because if I could I would as I enjoy having a buffer for the cops to go after, and if you seriously need to get to that red light 3 seconds faster so you can show your amazing braking abilities, you should go rent a racetrack and get it out of your system."


You do realize that right now your post makes you look like one of those people who scream at their windshield because someone isn't driving the way they want them to.  #5 by the way, OH NOES!!! A little bump to your car that probably didn't even cause a dent in your bumper.

You need to relax a bit there, not everybody in the world works by your schedule.  I'm one of those people that drives under the speed limit if i'm not in a rush to get anywhere.  If I am in fact in a rush, then I might push it to 5-10 over the speed limit.  I don't do it because i'm a scared driver, I do it because you don't farking know who is going to do what on the road, and if you are going too fast, your reflex speed won't be fast enough to prevent you from t-boning some douchebag who didn't stop for a red light.
 
2013-05-09 03:25:02 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Fark that, it should be anything slower than the posted speed limit (barring traffic/accidents). If you're in the left lane going 56 in a 65 you're still royally farking up traffic flow.

/Hate chicken-shiat douchebags that just ride in the left lane because they don't know how to actually drive


Yes, but your speeding, tailgating, illegal lane changes, and other aggressive driving behaviors cause wrecks too.
 
2013-05-09 03:27:31 PM  
Hero tag was made for this. In Jersey, PA, and a few other states "Keep Right, Pass Left" is the LAW, too bad it's never enforced or else you'd have no need for laws like this (that also won't be enforced.)
 
2013-05-09 03:27:57 PM  
The thing that drives me farking crazy, which I see EVERY DAMN MORNING on my way to work, is when you are in a line at a stoplight that has just turned green, and people leave like 6 to 8 car lengths in between themselves and the car in front of them. That's 6 people that you just made wait an extra 2-3 minutes while the lights cycle through again.  It makes my blood farking boil when I miss a light by 1 or 2 cars, and I see people leaving enough room in front of them for a bus to fit in.
 
2013-05-09 03:28:09 PM  
Also, I'm going to through this out there. With the exclusion, for some reason, of African American Males between 40 and 60ish, everyone who has ever driven a Lexus needs to lose their license.

I swear, those things must drive like a Sherman tank, because every single person who buys one immediately sets their level of giving a fark about other drivers to zero.
 
2013-05-09 03:29:52 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Yes, but your speeding, tailgating, illegal lane changes, and other aggressive driving behaviors cause wrecks too.


You know what would cut down on d-bags doing that?

Fewer idiots confusing careful driving with just driving like a slow-ass little biatch.

I don't like the maniacs either, but when you've got some asshole camped in the left lane blocking it up it's going to force those maniacs to weave into the other lanes. I'd rather first solve the problem of the idiots that block traffic up so the maniacs can just zip straight along before worrying about slowing the maniacs down.

The people blocking up lanes and causing more lane changes and speed differences are far more dangerous than the people who are just speeding. Speed alone aggravates a crash, but it rarely causes one.
 
2013-05-09 03:29:53 PM  

lokis_mentor: How does this affect the move over law, which requires an open lane near the safety issue and traffic slowed to 20 mph below posted speed limit?


It doesn't. Slow down for the safety issue, bypass it at appropriate speeds, don't farking gawk at it all god damned day, resume normal driving speeds and be on your merry. This law would apply during normal driving conditions. Construction, accidents, large hail, big dogs landing on my face, etc. are not normal driving conditions.
 
2013-05-09 03:30:13 PM  
I can see being in the left lane if you are making a left turn up ahead. BUT, you don't need to get into the left lane 8 miles before your turn.

As far as bicycles go, I ride one myself, but these pompous bustards that can't decide whether they are a pedestrian or a bicyclist.....................Or bicyclists that think it's OK to run red lights, not look both ways when crossing a road or intersection, ride into oncoming traffic, weave all over the place......Welcome to Gainesville.
 
PJ-
2013-05-09 03:32:20 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: The thing that drives me farking crazy, which I see EVERY DAMN MORNING on my way to work, is when you are in a line at a stoplight that has just turned green, and people leave like 6 to 8 car lengths in between themselves and the car in front of them. That's 6 people that you just made wait an extra 2-3 minutes while the lights cycle through again.  It makes my blood farking boil when I miss a light by 1 or 2 cars, and I see people leaving enough room in front of them for a bus to fit in.


These people are easy to correct, you just slip your car in the spot that they left open.  They learn very quickly that they shouldn't be leaving that gap.  Usually the cause of people feeling they need the gap is when they have been rear ended, which caused them to hit the person in front of them.
 
2013-05-09 03:32:21 PM  

imfallen_angel: How about just going with a pet peeve while driving bingo.

1- slow drivers

2- drivers that have no clue on how to use their signal lights

3- drivers that believe that those lines on the ground are only for decoration and doesn't apply to them

4- similar to #3, but these drivers believe that regardless of how many lanes they are, that they are driving on all of them, swerving from one side of the road to the other back and forth, over and over again, I'm guessing after learning to drive on a racing video game.

5- getting stuck behind the asshat in the standard at a red light in a small hill, where the asshat cannot handle being able to prevent his vehicle from creeping backwards bit by bit as he has no ability with a clutch. (but will assure you of how great a driver they are)

6- cellphones, either talking or texting, they should be pulled over and kicked and such like a faulty printer.  I've see idiots holding their cells to their head while letting go of the steering wheel because they needed to make gestures while talking. Same with the ones applying make-up while driving.

7- dogs, another scenario where the driver that has the dog on their lap (or jumping all over the place) should be pulled over and beaten until their spleen comes out.

8- bumper riders... "look idiot, I'm either going at the limit or even higher (and that's the limit that I will go as I refuse to get a ticket over your dumbass), there is no way for me to let you pass right now because if I could I would as I enjoy having a buffer for the cops to go after, and if you seriously need to get to that red light 3 seconds faster so you can show your amazing braking abilities, you should go rent a racetrack and get it out of your system."


9- Drivers who refuse to merge when their lane is ending until the lines force them over.  Once they hit the end of the lane, they just start drifting into the through lane (no signal of course) and force their way in, usually slowing down (they think the proper way to merge into 75 MPH traffic is to slow down to 45).  It seems like they are thinking "Well, there's no way I could have forseen this!  Well, the lines are forcing me over, nothing I can do, it's out of my hands!".  These morons drive the same route every day but don't seem to remember that the lane ends, maybe they think the DOT came in overnight and extended the lane.
 
2013-05-09 03:32:38 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: is when you are in a line at a stoplight that has just turned green, and people leave like 6 to 8 car lengths in between themselves and the car in front of them


Oh, yea, forgot about that one:

19. The car in front of you isn't going to let out a huge burrito fart. CLOSE THE DAMN GAP, ASSHOLE, YOU'RE WASTING USABLE SPACE.

And also:

20. Don't block turns to your right when traffic comes to a stop at a light, dipshiats.
 
2013-05-09 03:33:27 PM  

Calmamity: It's a good start. Now on to bicycles.

Let's pass a law acknowledging that if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic on the road you are a hazard to yourself and others, running red lights to make up the time that you spent jacking up traffic previously is not a viable solution, and you should not be allowed to endanger lives on public roadways just to satisfy your need to feel morally superior.


2/10
 
2013-05-09 03:34:05 PM  
Good. I would have expected anyone else but FL to come up with it but whatever.
 
2013-05-09 03:34:46 PM  
Wow. A lot of armchair NASCAR professionals here.

Don't let me get in the way of your posturing, fellas. We all know that every single one of you drives better than anyone else on the road, including each other.

Just stay away from me when you're driving. That's all I ask. I drive exactly the speed limit. I avoid huge clusters and packs of cars and prefer to drive between the packs... AWAY from the other drivers. The only way to be safe from other drivers is to avoid them completely.

And when you come cruising up at high speed on my left, be sure to wave, because I'll probably wave back when I catch up to you a moment later at the next light.

There's no sense in speeding. You won't get there much faster, thanks to stop signs, signals, traffic, and other factors. You might beat me to the same destination by a minute. Ooooh. I bet that minute really helped you when you were wandering around finding a close parking space while I parked in the back and walked, STILL beating you to the actual destination.

People who treat driving like its a competition are to be avoided.
 
PJ-
2013-05-09 03:35:24 PM  

CorruptDB: 9- Drivers who refuse to merge when their lane is ending until the lines force them over. Once they hit the end of the lane, they just start drifting into the through lane (no signal of course) and force their way in, usually slowing down (they think the proper way to merge into 75 MPH traffic is to slow down to 45). It seems like they are thinking "Well, there's no way I could have forseen this! Well, the lines are forcing me over, nothing I can do, it's out of my hands!". These morons drive the same route every day but don't seem to remember that the lane ends, maybe they think the DOT came in overnight and extended the lane.


But on the other hand, there is nothing better than watching a lineup of 30 cars working together blocking that person from merging in.
 
2013-05-09 03:35:57 PM  
I guess it shouldn't be surprising that they need that law in the state EVERYONE retires in...
 
2013-05-09 03:36:06 PM  

vabeard: eraser8: Lots of states have been doing similar things for years:

[www.mesalek.com image 650x400]

Yeah, I think it's "impeding traffic slow" or something similar.
/I've never seen it enforced.  Especially on I81 in Virginia,



We already have similar signs in Florida. Apparently they were never enforced either...
 
2013-05-09 03:36:56 PM  

skozlaw: 20. Don't block turns to your right when traffic comes to a stop at a light, dipshiats.


If my light is green, but I'm stopped to avoid clogging the intersection, you do not get to turn right on red once traffic across from me starts puttering along again.  You'll have your chance to turn when the light turns green.
 
2013-05-09 03:37:10 PM  
Only one rule needs to be implemented. If you're in the far left lane and you're not catching up to the car in front of you, GET OVER A-HOLE.

The self entitlement in this country is absurd.
 
2013-05-09 03:37:26 PM  

bigbadideasinaction: the_sidewinder: Difficulty: There is no fast lane

/Use the left lane to pass, then get the fark out of it

I dunno, Americans, I've found, are actually pretty good at this, until you add a third lane and everyone gets stupid.

/Canadian who finds most of your two-lane highways much saner than we have up here.


I can explain that.

2 lane road:

Right lane is for traffic, left lane is to pass.  It's also occasionally used to duck out of the way of drivers coming in off the on-ramp (which is long and straight enough that you can actually merge onto the freeway
"at speed"*) at which point you get back into the right lane.

3 lane road in theory:

Right lane is for traffic, left two lanes are for passing and additional traffic.

3 lane road in reality:

Right lane is an extension of the on and off-ramps.  Because 3-lane roads are usually urban to suburban, there are these extremely short on/off ramps and a fairly consistent stream of traffic coming on/off of them at very slow speeds.

The middle lane then becomes the defacto "slow lane".  Because it's a pain to duck out of the way of traffic all the time, most slow through drivers get into the middle lane because it's easier.

Left lane is now the "fast lane", middle lane is now the "slow lane", right lane is the "local lane".

The problem is that nobody bloody well understands that.  So you get local drivers getting into the left lanes trying to cut up past the traffic and thereby slowing down everybody when they can't merge back over.  (Seriously, all of 101 SB through Silicon Valley's problems are caused by the Rengstorff Road exit (Dinky exit that's near Google, a couple of shopping centers and all the apartments).  You get past that and the right 2 lanes literally empty during rush hour because of the line.  They're adding an extra lane to 101 right now and it will do NOTHING until they fix that exit or remove that exit (since the other nearby exits are much better, and forcing drivers to use them would improve traffic)).

Meanwhile, slow drivers are getting annoyed at exactly how slow the right lanes are (because they're used to thinking of the right lane as the slow lane), and cutting over at random, and fast drivers are stuck because of the craziness that the local and slow drivers are pulling.

*Assuming you're not in the state of Washington.  No one gets above 35 on the onramp and then they all act surprised when the traffic is going 65.  And little old Michigan me is screaming bloody murder because you're supposed to FARKING ACCELERATE.  HIT THE STINKING PEDAL, YOU IDIOTS.  I used to go really slow on the top half just so I could speed up to 45 by the end of the onramps and actually kinda sorta merge.

/Best-behaved traffic I ever saw was on I-40 W from OK/TX border to NM/AZ border.  Everyone went exactly the speed limit (75), everyone stayed in their lane, the high truck speed limits meant that trucks rarely needed to pass and didn't back up traffic when they did.  It was great.  Amarillo was a pain because of construction, but other than that it was great.
 
2013-05-09 03:38:51 PM  

PsyLord: FTA:If Gov. Scott signs the legislation into law, drivers would face a $60 fine for driving 10 mph or more under the posted speed limit in the left lane.
The law would apply to any road or highway with two or more lanes.
Two lanes?  I'm assuming they mean two lanes going in the same direction.


While he's at it, Gov. Lex also has a bill to sign that would hasten along death penalty sentences.

/I'd apply it to drivers of old Volvo wagons covered with stickers, who wander all over the road
 
2013-05-09 03:38:56 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Fark that, it should be anything slower than the posted speed limit (barring traffic/accidents). If you're in the left lane going 56 in a 65 you're still royally farking up traffic flow.

/Hate chicken-shiat douchebags that just ride in the left lane because they don't know how to actually drive


You do know what "limit" means, right?
 
2013-05-09 03:39:39 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Wow. A lot of armchair NASCAR professionals here.

Don't let me get in the way of your posturing, fellas. We all know that every single one of you drives better than anyone else on the road, including each other.

Just stay away from me when you're driving. That's all I ask. I drive exactly the speed limit. I avoid huge clusters and packs of cars and prefer to drive between the packs... AWAY from the other drivers. The only way to be safe from other drivers is to avoid them completely.

And when you come cruising up at high speed on my left, be sure to wave, because I'll probably wave back when I catch up to you a moment later at the next light.

There's no sense in speeding. You won't get there much faster, thanks to stop signs, signals, traffic, and other factors. You might beat me to the same destination by a minute. Ooooh. I bet that minute really helped you when you were wandering around finding a close parking space while I parked in the back and walked, STILL beating you to the actual destination.

People who treat driving like its a competition are to be avoided.


That's great, and I'm happy for you and ignorance must surely be bliss to think that going faster doesn't allow you to make lights that you would otherwise hit a red at, but do be just this one solid, and don't use the left lane unless you're passing someone.

Thanks.
 
2013-05-09 03:40:19 PM  
There was a similar thread a few weeks ago...where I posted this (which I think applies here as well):

There are a lot of unresolved anger issues in this thread.  I never realized just how much this issue tweaked peoples buttons.  It certainly helps me to understand how something like "road rage" can exist (a concept I've never been able to wrap my head around.

There will always be good drivers, and there will always be bad drivers.  Just as there will always be courteous drivers and there will always be inconsiderate idiots.  "slamming on breaks" or "blocking someone in" only makes you just as idiotic as them.  Why not just let people be idiots, stay clear of them, let them do their thing without getting in the way, and enjoy a good jam on the radio?  It's not like you're really going to get there any faster.  I have never understood why people get sooo worked up about driving.  I have never seen my friends as angry as when they are driving or talking about other drivers.
 
2013-05-09 03:41:34 PM  
Passing lane rules are pet peeves of mine.

If you can make a left turn from the lane, it's NOT a passing lane. And don't give me that "You can enter the lane right before the turn" crap. You haven't tried to drive in Florida. I regularly enter the left lane early if I chance. Granted, I don't halt the flow of traffic, but still. This is mainly aimed at the asshats who think you can drive 60 in a 45 zone.

But, on the majority of interstates where there are no left exit ramps (I'm looking at you, I-275), then I'm okay with this law. Then again, I actually follow the rules (for the most part), so whatever.
 
2013-05-09 03:42:12 PM  
Legislator probably got inconvenienced.
 
2013-05-09 03:42:38 PM  

skozlaw: Driving rant thread!


Ex-Boston cabbie gets a kick out of your list of peeves. I agree with most of them in principal but violate about half of them regularly in practice.

The safest way to drive here is to assume that everyone else is a menace to society on the road and to stay in a narrow zone between hyper-aggression and hyper-defensiveness. There is no normal. Hey,if everyone does it, you can't be surprised.
 
2013-05-09 03:42:44 PM  

CorruptDB: imfallen_angel: How about just going with a pet peeve while driving bingo.

1- slow drivers

2- drivers that have no clue on how to use their signal lights

3- drivers that believe that those lines on the ground are only for decoration and doesn't apply to them

4- similar to #3, but these drivers believe that regardless of how many lanes they are, that they are driving on all of them, swerving from one side of the road to the other back and forth, over and over again, I'm guessing after learning to drive on a racing video game.

5- getting stuck behind the asshat in the standard at a red light in a small hill, where the asshat cannot handle being able to prevent his vehicle from creeping backwards bit by bit as he has no ability with a clutch. (but will assure you of how great a driver they are)

6- cellphones, either talking or texting, they should be pulled over and kicked and such like a faulty printer.  I've see idiots holding their cells to their head while letting go of the steering wheel because they needed to make gestures while talking. Same with the ones applying make-up while driving.

7- dogs, another scenario where the driver that has the dog on their lap (or jumping all over the place) should be pulled over and beaten until their spleen comes out.

8- bumper riders... "look idiot, I'm either going at the limit or even higher (and that's the limit that I will go as I refuse to get a ticket over your dumbass), there is no way for me to let you pass right now because if I could I would as I enjoy having a buffer for the cops to go after, and if you seriously need to get to that red light 3 seconds faster so you can show your amazing braking abilities, you should go rent a racetrack and get it out of your system."

9- Drivers who refuse to merge when their lane is ending until the lines force them over.  Once they hit the end of the lane, they just start drifting into the through lane (no signal of course) and force their way in, usually slowing down (the ...


I see this all the time and it is a pet peeve.  When they see people merging right in front of them, the step on the gas and floor it, zooming way to the front where now they try to barge into the only lane.  Basically they just want to cut in front of all of the normal people that merge like they were suppose to.
 
2013-05-09 03:43:14 PM  

serial_crusher: I've always thought they should do graduated speed limits in 5mph increments per lane.


I've seen that before in Mexico City, but in 5Km/H increments.
 
2013-05-09 03:43:32 PM  
I suggest amending the law:

If anyone protests "But everyone else was speeding!" the cop gets to taze them before issuing the ticket.
 
2013-05-09 03:44:09 PM  
When I'm driving I always try to find someone just sitting in the fast lane. The faster the better of course. Then I make them my wingman. I'll stay in the lane just to their right and just ahead of them. Some people try to pass me but I don't let them. You do 95, I'll do 95. Then when I see a cop (I'm in front and see them first) I throw it from 5th to 4th (I have a stck), no brake lights and they zoom passed me. Only seen three people pulled over in 25 years of doing that but that's three tickets I didn't get. If they're dumb enough to just sit in the fast lane, I'm gonna use them.

/internet tough guy driving story
 
2013-05-09 03:44:10 PM  
As someone who spent 12 hours driving on freeway traffic over the last 2 days (traveling for a funeral) I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

My wife likes to remind me what a terrible driver I am, especially when I'm passing someone by going into the left lane, and then I will get back over into the right lane (even if nobody is behind me in the left lane).  Paraphrasing "Pick a lane and stick to it"...Of course I let her know that my opinion differed from hers and miles of butt hurt ensued.
 
2013-05-09 03:45:00 PM  

moothemagiccow:

You do know what "limit" means, right?


it means "no slower than"

No Slower Than
65

; )
 
2013-05-09 03:45:00 PM  
On I-85, the slow drivers are doing 20mph over the speed limit.
 
2013-05-09 03:45:20 PM  
I see this is a driving pet peeve thread...then I'll add on, Wisconsin drivers are farking terrible about using their turn signals (whether lane changing or actually turning).  They're there for a reason assholes.
 
2013-05-09 03:45:29 PM  
There was an interesting study correlating road rage to being circumcised, apparently cut men get much more upset about people driving slow in the 'fast lane' than uncut men.

Probably due to their inability to have complete sexual satisfaction.
 
2013-05-09 03:45:32 PM  

justtray: ZeroCorpse: Wow. A lot of armchair NASCAR professionals here.

Don't let me get in the way of your posturing, fellas. We all know that every single one of you drives better than anyone else on the road, including each other.

Just stay away from me when you're driving. That's all I ask. I drive exactly the speed limit. I avoid huge clusters and packs of cars and prefer to drive between the packs... AWAY from the other drivers. The only way to be safe from other drivers is to avoid them completely.

And when you come cruising up at high speed on my left, be sure to wave, because I'll probably wave back when I catch up to you a moment later at the next light.

There's no sense in speeding. You won't get there much faster, thanks to stop signs, signals, traffic, and other factors. You might beat me to the same destination by a minute. Ooooh. I bet that minute really helped you when you were wandering around finding a close parking space while I parked in the back and walked, STILL beating you to the actual destination.

People who treat driving like its a competition are to be avoided.

That's great, and I'm happy for you and ignorance must surely be bliss to think that going faster doesn't allow you to make lights that you would otherwise hit a red at, but do be just this one solid, and don't use the left lane unless you're passing someone.

Thanks.


I don't understand why you're so pressed for time.

Leave earlier. Relax. You'll get where you need to in time. Being two or three minutes early just isn't worth it. You might even live longer.

It's like waiting for someone to leave the front row in a parking lot. Just park in the back and walk.
 
2013-05-09 03:45:39 PM  
skozlaw: Well I use Mac/Linux...: is when you are in a line at a stoplight that has just turned green, and people leave like 6 to 8 car lengths in between themselves and the car in front of them

Oh, yea, forgot about that one:

19. The car in front of you isn't going to let out a huge burrito fart. CLOSE THE DAMN GAP, ASSHOLE, YOU'RE WASTING USABLE SPACE.

And also:

20. Don't block turns to your right when traffic comes to a stop at a light, dipshiats.


That's one of the most annoying things ever...Encounter it everyday on my drive home from work.

There's two lanes going the same direction and some idiot always is in the right lane at the stop light, only car there besides me behind them, with no one in the left lane, and the idiot sits there to go straight when it turns green while I am stuck waiting 7 minutes to make a right turn.

Also, why is it every driver I see with one of these is the worst driver on the road, does being handicapped make you unable to use a turn signal, have to drive 20 below the speed limit, and suddenly drift into your lane?:

blog.amsvans.com
 
2013-05-09 03:45:40 PM  
Anyone who hasn't spent a slow afternoon at work putting Russian Dash Cam into YouTube doesn't know a thing about awful driving.

/does everyone in Russia have a dash cam?
 
2013-05-09 03:45:48 PM  

meyerkev: Right lane is for traffic, left lane is to pass. It's also occasionally used to duck out of the way of drivers coming in off the on-ramp (which is long and straight enough that you can actually merge onto the freeway "at speed"*) at which point you get back into the right lane.


I love it when I'm passing a guy on the left and there's somebody coming up the on-ramp.  "omg, omg, what do I do?  I know, I'll just cut you off instead of letting the guy on the on-ramp adjust his speed a little."
 
2013-05-09 03:46:24 PM  
I go apeshiat on someone at least once a day for slowriding in the passing lane. I swear some drivers are so stupid and clueless its painful.
 
2013-05-09 03:46:38 PM  

ZeroCorpse: There's no sense in speeding. You won't get there much faster, thanks to stop signs, signals, traffic, and other factors. You might beat me to the same destination by a minute. Ooooh. I bet that minute really helped you when you were wandering around finding a close parking space while I parked in the back and walked, STILL beating you to the actual destination.


It's 20 miles to work for me, one way.  I work 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year (well probably more than that actually).  That's 10,000 miles.  If I drive 1mph faster average (31mph v. 30mph), I save over 10 hours on the road per year.  I save 50 hours on the road per year if I drive 5mph faster.  I'm not racing you.  I don't care how much faster you got there compared to me.  I care how much faster I got there compared to what I could have gotten there in.

I also park in the back and walk.
 
2013-05-09 03:46:42 PM  
Eh, I can afford the ticket.
 
2013-05-09 03:47:33 PM  
The worst drivers are the ones who go slowly up the entrance ramp and can't figure out how to merge onto the interstate. I almost ran into a guy who farking stopped up there rather than merged properly. Many birds were flipped.
 
2013-05-09 03:47:34 PM  

busy chillin': moothemagiccow:

You do know what "limit" means, right?

it means "no slower than"

No Slower Than
65

; )


The point, edge, or line beyond which something cannot or may not proceed.

I understand why you might be confused, since #5 is "a prescribed maximum or minimum amount, quantity, or number" and maybe you think it's the minimum. It's actually the maximum.
 
2013-05-09 03:47:34 PM  
How are all you people passing other drivers so much if you're going the speed limit?
 
2013-05-09 03:47:55 PM  

PsyLord: CorruptDB: imfallen_angel: How about just going with a pet peeve while driving bingo.

1- slow drivers

2- drivers that have no clue on how to use their signal lights

3- drivers that believe that those lines on the ground are only for decoration and doesn't apply to them

4- similar to #3, but these drivers believe that regardless of how many lanes they are, that they are driving on all of them, swerving from one side of the road to the other back and forth, over and over again, I'm guessing after learning to drive on a racing video game.

5- getting stuck behind the asshat in the standard at a red light in a small hill, where the asshat cannot handle being able to prevent his vehicle from creeping backwards bit by bit as he has no ability with a clutch. (but will assure you of how great a driver they are)

6- cellphones, either talking or texting, they should be pulled over and kicked and such like a faulty printer.  I've see idiots holding their cells to their head while letting go of the steering wheel because they needed to make gestures while talking. Same with the ones applying make-up while driving.

7- dogs, another scenario where the driver that has the dog on their lap (or jumping all over the place) should be pulled over and beaten until their spleen comes out.

8- bumper riders... "look idiot, I'm either going at the limit or even higher (and that's the limit that I will go as I refuse to get a ticket over your dumbass), there is no way for me to let you pass right now because if I could I would as I enjoy having a buffer for the cops to go after, and if you seriously need to get to that red light 3 seconds faster so you can show your amazing braking abilities, you should go rent a racetrack and get it out of your system."

9- Drivers who refuse to merge when their lane is ending until the lines force them over.  Once they hit the end of the lane, they just start drifting into the through lane (no signal of course) and force their way in, usually slowin ...


That is a pet peeve of many people, but it's only because we're all taught manners (for the most part) and we think of it as "budging" in line.  Sure if everyone is getting over a mile before the lane ends, and some people are flying ahead of 100 cars, it can seem like a dick move, but all those people getting over early are part of the problem (of the road being backed up).  It's proven that the zipper merge is the most efficient way for traffic to merge. That means using both lanes up until the point where one lane ends...not getting over a 1/4 mile before hand.

/themoreyouknow.jpg
 
2013-05-09 03:48:33 PM  
I hate to admit it, but I am tolerant and understanding of just about anything or anybody -- except goofballs who hog the left lane. Seriously.
 
2013-05-09 03:49:38 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: The worst drivers are the ones who go slowly up the entrance ramp and can't figure out how to merge onto the interstate. I almost ran into a guy who farking stopped up there rather than merged properly. Many birds were flipped.


Don't flip people off, they don't care.  Next time, give them a big smile and two thumbs up.  If they can hear you, tell them they're awesome.  It's way more effective.
 
2013-05-09 03:49:44 PM  

bdm26: 20. Don't block turns to your right when traffic comes to a stop at a light, dipshiats.


That's one of the most annoying things ever...Encounter it everyday on my drive home from work.

There's two lanes going the same direction and some idiot always is in the right lane at the stop light, only car there besides me behind them, with no one in the left lane, and the idiot sits there to go straight when it turns green while I am stuck waiting 7 minutes to make a right turn.


Hmm, I think I misinterpreted him when I read that.  Yes, that is a big pet peeve.

When I'm on my bike I'm obviously not getting into the left lane.  I will usually move over to the left side of the right lane and give you enough room to make your turn.  If you signal, that is.  If you're not signaling, I will stand there and hold you up.
/ I don't want a guy who's going straight to nestle up next to me, then try to pass me on the right after the light turns green.
// Yes, that has actually happened to me before.
 
2013-05-09 03:50:30 PM  
"My taxes paid for this road.  I have just as much right to use any lane I want as anyone else.
Do not flash your lights at me, you SOB.  They do that in Europe, but not here G*d dammit!"

--Overheard
 
2013-05-09 03:51:19 PM  

moothemagiccow: busy chillin': moothemagiccow:

You do know what "limit" means, right?

it means "no slower than"

No Slower Than
65

; )

The point, edge, or line beyond which something cannot or may not proceed.

I understand why you might be confused, since #5 is "a prescribed maximum or minimum amount, quantity, or number" and maybe you think it's the minimum. It's actually the maximum.


um, what? Confused?

I was f*cking joking.
 
2013-05-09 03:52:08 PM  

CrazyCracka420: It's proven that the zipper merge is the most efficient way for traffic to merge


I disagree with that "proof".  It holds up when you're in bumper to bumper rush hour traffic, but if both lanes are going a reasonable speed, it's more important to merge where there's a safe gap to fit in, instead of going all the way to the end where one or more likely both of you will have to slow down.
 
2013-05-09 03:52:10 PM  

imfallen_angel: How about just going with a pet peeve while driving bingo.

1- slow drivers

2- drivers that have no clue on how to use their signal lights

3- drivers that believe that those lines on the ground are only for decoration and doesn't apply to them

4- similar to #3, but these drivers believe that regardless of how many lanes they are, that they are driving on all of them, swerving from one side of the road to the other back and forth, over and over again, I'm guessing after learning to drive on a racing video game.

5- getting stuck behind the asshat in the standard at a red light in a small hill, where the asshat cannot handle being able to prevent his vehicle from creeping backwards bit by bit as he has no ability with a clutch. (but will assure you of how great a driver they are)

6- cellphones, either talking or texting, they should be pulled over and kicked and such like a faulty printer.  I've see idiots holding their cells to their head while letting go of the steering wheel because they needed to make gestures while talking. Same with the ones applying make-up while driving.

7- dogs, another scenario where the driver that has the dog on their lap (or jumping all over the place) should be pulled over and beaten until their spleen comes out.

8- bumper riders... "look idiot, I'm either going at the limit or even higher (and that's the limit that I will go as I refuse to get a ticket over your dumbass), there is no way for me to let you pass right now because if I could I would as I enjoy having a buffer for the cops to go after, and if you seriously need to get to that red light 3 seconds faster so you can show your amazing braking abilities, you should go rent a racetrack and get it out of your system."


I was in traffic school years ago with about 120 people. We did this and came up with 81 pet peeves. Some people didn't like that other people timed lights. WTF? Maybe they're just mad they're too dumb to realize that after the people turn left in front of you, you're next (at most lights here). So after 81 and we couldn't come up with any others then the instructor asked "How about people that don't move over to the right as far as they can while turning?" That made 82 pet peeves. Someone asked what if there wasn't a broken white line. He said it's legal to drive over solid white lines in Ca. Learn something new every day.
 
2013-05-09 03:52:14 PM  

PJ-: You do realize that right now your post makes you look like one of those people who scream at their windshield because someone isn't driving the way they want them to. #5 by the way, OH NOES!!! A little bump to your car that probably didn't even cause a dent in your bumper.

You need to relax a bit there, not everybody in the world works by your schedule. I'm one of those people that drives under the speed limit if i'm not in a rush to get anywhere. If I am in fact in a rush, then I might push it to 5-10 over the speed limit. I don't do it because i'm a scared driver, I do it because you don't farking know who is going to do what on the road, and if you are going too fast, your reflex speed won't be fast enough to prevent you from t-boning some douchebag who didn't stop for a red light.


hmm... guess you're ability to read and judge accordingly is skewed by the fact that I might have hit a nerve and you saw yourself in some of those...

1) nah, I want people to drive properly... going over the lines and not able to stay in a lane isn't a minor thing, it's plain bad driving and lack of ability to drive the vehicle properly.

2) someone bumping into another car.... errr... if you don't mind that, good for you, but personally, I prefer my vehicle undamaged.  That's bad driver skill and shows that you can't handle driving properly.

3) well, I don't know how you got to such a conclusion... put the bottle down I'd say. You're probably a "scared driver" more due to the fact that you drive poorly if I was to go with your comments.
 
2013-05-09 03:52:20 PM  

PsyLord: 9- Drivers who refuse to merge when their lane is ending until the lines force them over. Once they hit the end of the lane, they just start drifting into the through lane (no signal of course) and force their way in, usually slowing down (the ...

I see this all the time and it is a pet peeve. When they see people merging right in front of them, the step on the gas and floor it, zooming way to the front where now they try to barge into the only lane. Basically they just want to cut in front of all of the normal people that merge like they were suppose to.


Anyone who takes 395 in or out of DC (I'm thinking specifically about the GW Pkwy/400 exits) knows the annoyance of seeing, on a 3-lane highway, two or three SUPER-assholes sitting in the middle lane with their blinkers on, right next to a solid column (usually backed up onto the offramp from 395-S) attempting to take 395.

And 395-N, just after the 14th St bridge, exit 12 (to the L'Enfant Promenade) - there's always a cadre of lane-change-procrastinators gumming up the right lanes. It's not like they have 3 signs for the half-mile before the exit telling you that the 2 right lanes are for exiting. I want twin-mounted .50s behind my headlights for those folks.
 
2013-05-09 03:52:24 PM  
*gets popcorn*


this will be a well reasoned and rational thread
 
2013-05-09 03:52:40 PM  

lennavan: Igor Jakovsky: The worst drivers are the ones who go slowly up the entrance ramp and can't figure out how to merge onto the interstate. I almost ran into a guy who farking stopped up there rather than merged properly. Many birds were flipped.

Don't flip people off, they don't care.  Next time, give them a big smile and two thumbs up.  If they can hear you, tell them they're awesome.  It's way more effective.


I blow 'em a kiss.

Man, you can't believe how much that pisses off your average road rager.
 
2013-05-09 03:53:37 PM  

Cyno01: eraser8: I_Am_Weasel: I assume they once again failed to address the menace of uncanceled turn signals?

The people I want cannonized* are the people who brake and only use their turn signals once they've slowed down to 5 miles per hour.  Please, for the love of all that is good, signal your turn BEFORE applying the brake.

*cannonized: to be shot out of a cannon.  Not to be confused with canonized: to be declared a saint.

Also people who wait to put on their directional until the light turns green.


That's really farking annoying when you're at a light that only turns green (no signals).  I'm signaling I'm going to take a left turn, they have no signal, so naturally I assume they are going straight.  Light turns green, I wait for them to go straight, and then they turn left.  That makes me pretty angry.  It's probably a good thing I don't carry firearms in my car.
 
2013-05-09 03:53:55 PM  
Good. Now if we implemented some heavier driving tests for people over age 60 then we might get this state's driving out of the pits.

Yeah yeah people of all ages suck at driving, but in my entire life of being here 9/10 times a terrible driver is a shriveled old fark who probably doesn't even realize that they're driving at that very moment. They merge in front of you when they must yield, they go 20 mph in a 45 zone, they go the wrong way down the road, they don't know what. the. fark. is going on. I'd rather deal with a bunch of young assholes on crotchrockets than one fogie who mistakenly believes that they're still mentally and physically capable of driving.
 
2013-05-09 03:54:02 PM  

the_sidewinder: Difficulty: There is no fast lane

/Use the left lane to pass, then get the fark out of it


^this^ On I95 it's dbags in F150s or ricers that cruise the left lane instead of passing and moving over.
 
2013-05-09 03:54:28 PM  
ZeroCorpse:
Just stay away from me when you're driving. That's all I ask. I drive exactly the speed limit. I avoid huge clusters and packs of cars and prefer to drive between the packs... AWAY from the other drivers. The only way to be safe from other drivers is to avoid them completely.

Yup, completely agree.  Which brings to mind the bastards who want to use me as their own personal cruise control and stick to me like glue, no matter how much I try to shake them. (aka Highway Buddies)  Follow me at a distance all you want and all is well, but don't keep catching up to me and then obstructing most of my rear view mirror just because you're too lazy to keep your speed in check on your own.

/gears grinded
 
2013-05-09 03:54:37 PM  

serial_crusher: CrazyCracka420: It's proven that the zipper merge is the most efficient way for traffic to merge

I disagree with that "proof".  It holds up when you're in bumper to bumper rush hour traffic, but if both lanes are going a reasonable speed, it's more important to merge where there's a safe gap to fit in, instead of going all the way to the end where one or more likely both of you will have to slow down.


I was speaking more from my experience over the last couple days on 94 in Wisconsin.  Lots of construction going down to 1 lane.  Say the right lane is ending in a mile, people were stacking up in the left lane and the left lane would be completely stopped for about a half mile or so until the lane dropped, right lane is a ghost town.
 
2013-05-09 03:55:14 PM  

kaedric: Why not just let people be idiots, stay clear of them, let them do their thing without getting in the way, and enjoy a good jam on the radio?


Speaking for myself, I try to maintain my Zen on the road.  But inconsiderate drivers still make my blood boil.  The roads exist for us all to go places.  People who don't follow the rules of the road, written or unwritten, consciously or unconsciously, impede not just me, but everyone.  It's selfish and when I get mad enough, I'll refuse to reward it.  I won't take dangerous actions, but you bet I'd refuse to allow a merge for someone who should've done it way earlier and waited in line just like everyone else, for example.  I just won't reward that kind of bad behavior.

It's difficult to stay clear of these people, because most of the time, they actively put themselves in the way.

I'm not saying that I'm more important than any other particular driver out there.  I'm saying that the self-important or clueless drivers are NOT more important than everyone else.  I follow these rules of the road.  Lots of people follow these rules of the road.  No one should be above them.
 
2013-05-09 03:55:20 PM  
I usually find some speeder and then I shadow them in the lane to the right about 25-50 yards back.

That way, they are finding all the cops for me.   They intercept the ticket.  At worst, their brake lights let me know it is time to slow down.
 
2013-05-09 03:55:29 PM  
www.allaboutmoney.com

yep, I haven't flipped people off in years. A sarcastic thumbs up and mouthing "you suck at driving" is how I keep my sanity.

I actually don't get road rage....maybe that technique really does work.
 
2013-05-09 03:55:34 PM  
When are we going to get speedometers on the outside of cars, particularly placed in the back window so you can see exactly how fast the person in front of you is going?  One of my biggest annoyances while driving on the road is people who are braking heavily (for seemingly no reason, but maybe there's something in front of them causing them to stop suddenly) and you can't tell how hard they are breaking until it's almost too late.  Even if a speedometer is considered too much, how about metered brake lights that visually tell other drivers how hard the person is braking.. Brake lights on the front of the car would also help judge whether or not people are running red lights when you're trying to turn left.
 
2013-05-09 03:56:06 PM  
Pocket Ninja:
Think of slack-jawed simpletons, the halfwit bumpkins everywhere. The Marylanders struggling to understand difficult concepts like "signs" and "signals." Make things easier, not more complicated. Passing lane. It is more difficult to say, but think of the payoffs.

Hey!  Marylanders can handle signs reasonably well, and I haven't seen "signaling" done anywhere else on the East coast (once in NC I saw two cars signal.  One went the opposite direction, so I'm not sure what the point was).  On the other hand, we laugh at those of you so far in the sticks that you can leave a lane empty of traffic.  If you live there, you might be...

Merging.  Merging is what you should never expect from MD tags.  VA cars will get it wrong as well, only much more aggressively (and appear to know what they are doing, no matter how wrong it is).

/why yes, I know who Pocket Ninja is.
//those of you on the left coast, they aren't kidding about drivers here. Merging is the real problem.
 
2013-05-09 03:56:17 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: I usually find some speeder and then I shadow them in the lane to the right about 25-50 yards back.

That way, they are finding all the cops for me.   They intercept the ticket.  At worst, their brake lights let me know it is time to slow down.


Follow the speeder is one of my favorite games.
 
2013-05-09 03:56:18 PM  

eraser8: Lots of states have been doing similar things for years:

[www.mesalek.com image 650x400]


That's racist!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-05-09 03:56:37 PM  

lennavan: ZeroCorpse: There's no sense in speeding. You won't get there much faster, thanks to stop signs, signals, traffic, and other factors. You might beat me to the same destination by a minute. Ooooh. I bet that minute really helped you when you were wandering around finding a close parking space while I parked in the back and walked, STILL beating you to the actual destination.

It's 20 miles to work for me, one way.  I work 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year (well probably more than that actually).  That's 10,000 miles.  If I drive 1mph faster average (31mph v. 30mph), I save over 10 hours on the road per year.  I save 50 hours on the road per year if I drive 5mph faster.  I'm not racing you.  I don't care how much faster you got there compared to me.  I care how much faster I got there compared to what I could have gotten there in.

I also park in the back and walk.


You could save 172 hours (over a WEEK) if you moved 10 miles closer to your workplace.
You could also save 277 hours (11 days) if you worked from home one day a week.
 
2013-05-09 03:57:00 PM  

PJ-: Well I use Mac/Linux...: The thing that drives me farking crazy, which I see EVERY DAMN MORNING on my way to work, is when you are in a line at a stoplight that has just turned green, and people leave like 6 to 8 car lengths in between themselves and the car in front of them. That's 6 people that you just made wait an extra 2-3 minutes while the lights cycle through again.  It makes my blood farking boil when I miss a light by 1 or 2 cars, and I see people leaving enough room in front of them for a bus to fit in.

These people are easy to correct, you just slip your car in the spot that they left open.  They learn very quickly that they shouldn't be leaving that gap.  Usually the cause of people feeling they need the gap is when they have been rear ended, which caused them to hit the person in front of them.


I had someone tell me once that they left a gap at a light so they would be able to turn out and haul ass away if someone tried to car jack them.

/seriously
 
2013-05-09 03:57:32 PM  
BadJazz: ZeroCorpse:
Just stay away from me when you're driving. That's all I ask. I drive exactly the speed limit. I avoid huge clusters and packs of cars and prefer to drive between the packs... AWAY from the other drivers. The only way to be safe from other drivers is to avoid them completely.

Yup, completely agree.  Which brings to mind the bastards who want to use me as their own personal cruise control and stick to me like glue, no matter how much I try to shake them. (aka Highway Buddies)  Follow me at a distance all you want and all is well, but don't keep catching up to me and then obstructing most of my rear view mirror just because you're too lazy to keep your speed in check on your own.



Fender-huggers. Especially annoying if they get into your 7- or 5 o'clock position so they are just out of your direct line of sight. I've been known to toss the ice out of my empty drink cup onto their windshields. I've tried flicking boogers but that's not as effective.
 
2013-05-09 03:57:32 PM  

The_Sponge: Ugh....that's too common in Washington State.


Not as bad as in northwest Oregon.  You never want be around somebody while they are DWO.

My biggest issue with drivers in western Washington and Oregon is that they are so passive aggressive.  One of the worst behaviors is when people drive slow until a passing lane or straight stretch that allows passing in the oncoming lane comes up, and they speed up by 10-15 MPH.  If you do manage to get around them, they'll ghost you at your speed until you manage to get a few cars in between you. If you don't manage to get around them, they slow back down when the ability to pass goes away. US-2, US-30  and US-101 are the worst for that.
 
2013-05-09 03:57:46 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: As a guy who thinks people who drive more than 5 or 10 over the speed limit are dangerous psychotics except in case of extreme emergency, This is an idea I can support.

The left lane is for people going the speed limit or slightly over.  Not for slow driving.


You are the one everyone in this thread is complaining about.
 
2013-05-09 03:57:54 PM  
There isnt anything wrong with the "It's the speed limit, you SOB" type of people.

Its only when they are passive aggressive and unhappy with life so they feel it is their
civic duty to be a rolling traffic light and block as many speeders as possible.
 
2013-05-09 03:57:57 PM  

busy chillin': moothemagiccow: busy chillin': moothemagiccow:

You do know what "limit" means, right?

it means "no slower than"

No Slower Than
65

; )

The point, edge, or line beyond which something cannot or may not proceed.

I understand why you might be confused, since #5 is "a prescribed maximum or minimum amount, quantity, or number" and maybe you think it's the minimum. It's actually the maximum.

um, what? Confused?

I was f*cking joking.


Seems like you're confused pretty often. Maybe the bus is a better choice?
 
2013-05-09 03:58:39 PM  

wyltoknow: Good. Now if we implemented some heavier driving tests for people over age 60 then we might get this state's driving out of the pits.

Yeah yeah people of all ages suck at driving, but in my entire life of being here 9/10 times a terrible driver is a shriveled old fark who probably doesn't even realize that they're driving at that very moment. They merge in front of you when they must yield, they go 20 mph in a 45 zone, they go the wrong way down the road, they don't know what. the. fark. is going on. I'd rather deal with a bunch of young assholes on crotchrockets than one fogie who mistakenly believes that they're still mentally and physically capable of driving.


I was about 2 feet from wrapping myself around a tree because some old farker didn't look. Then, after I had my holy shiat moment, I had an old lady staring at me like it was my fault I almost died.
 
2013-05-09 03:59:02 PM  

tricycleracer: Dr_Gene: I once knew an old bag senior citizen who intentionally drove slow in the fast/passing lane.
She said it was for safety reasons: "The families of those fast drivers will thank me for ensuring they got home safely after driving at a nice, safe speed"

Until the frustrated driver goes home and beats his or her spouse and children mercilessly.


Dad?
 
2013-05-09 03:59:59 PM  

moothemagiccow:
Seems like you're confused pretty often. Maybe the bus is a better choice?


Good stuff.

quit your day job.
 
2013-05-09 04:01:26 PM  

serial_crusher: meyerkev: Right lane is for traffic, left lane is to pass. It's also occasionally used to duck out of the way of drivers coming in off the on-ramp (which is long and straight enough that you can actually merge onto the freeway "at speed"*) at which point you get back into the right lane.

I love it when I'm passing a guy on the left and there's somebody coming up the on-ramp.  "omg, omg, what do I do?  I know, I'll just cut you off instead of letting the guy on the on-ramp adjust his speed a little."


Yeah.  What I usually do when someone (or more usually someones where finding a gap is harder)

Option #1: If and only if the left lane is clear, get over.  Use my 5-10 MPH advantage to zip on past and merge back right.   It's only polite and it makes their job a little easier.  No point in creating unnecessary potential collisions.
Option #2: Play the zipper game.  Slow down a tad, back off the guy in front of me, and create a gap into which the other driver can merge into in front of me and hope that the people on the onramp are smart enough to give me a counter-gap.
Option #3: (Usually after Option #2 has failed).  Ignore the guy coming in off the on-ramp.  Everyone for himself and I have right of way and am more likely to get killed if I slow down.

/Heck, those little stoplights on the onramp are designed to put holes in traffic so that Option #2 is semi-viable in high traffic since Option #1 does terrible things to road capacity.
 
2013-05-09 04:01:44 PM  

moothemagiccow: You could save 172 hours (over a WEEK) if you moved 10 miles closer to your workplace.


Yeah, you should see the housing prices 10 miles closer to my work places.  I'm willing to sacrifice 172 hours a year so I can afford a house rather than still live in a shiatty apartment for the same price.

What do I get in return for those 50 hours I lose by driving 5 mph slower?  It sure as fark isn't increased safety.

moothemagiccow: You could also save 277 hours (11 days) if you worked from home one day a week.


I cannot legally work from home.  You need permits and shiat to use some of this science stuff.  The rest, well if you can convince my boss to buy me a $200,000 microscope to use at home, I'm all for it.

Hey, I'm open to more suggestions on how to save more time on the road.  But you're not telling me to do something instead of speeding.  You're giving me ideas to use in addition to speeding.  And by the way,  5mph over the limit is not so terrible.
 
2013-05-09 04:01:49 PM  

Pick: I can see being in the left lane if you are making a left turn up ahead. BUT, you don't need to get into the left lane 8 miles before your turn.

As far as bicycles go, I ride one myself, but these pompous bustards that can't decide whether they are a pedestrian or a bicyclist.....................Or bicyclists that think it's OK to run red lights, not look both ways when crossing a road or intersection, ride into oncoming traffic, weave all over the place......Welcome to Gainesville.


I had a friend on a bike get ran off the road by a bus when it didn't see him and it pulled over at one of the stops. His bike hit the curb and he busted his ass. He was in the bike lane at the time. There is a lot of stupidity to go around when it comes to moving about the UF campus area.
 
2013-05-09 04:02:05 PM  

imfallen_angel: 5- getting stuck behind the asshat in the standard at a red light in a small hill, where the asshat cannot handle being able to prevent his vehicle from creeping backwards bit by bit as he has no ability with a clutch. (but will assure you of how great a driver they are)


Maybe you shouldn't tailgate people at red lights...
 
2013-05-09 04:02:25 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Fark that, it should be anything slower than the posted speed limit (barring traffic/accidents). If you're in the left lane going 56 in a 65 you're still royally farking up traffic flow.

/Hate chicken-shiat douchebags that just ride in the left lane because they don't know how to actually drive


Couldn't agree more. Given the nature of the passing lane you should not be going slower than the limit.
 
2013-05-09 04:04:08 PM  
It's not a fast lane it is a passing lane.
 
2013-05-09 04:04:09 PM  
Here are my rules to the road.

1. Don't drive too fast when it will inconvenience ME.
2. Don't drive too fast when it will inconvenience ME.
3. No right turns when it will inconvenience ME.
4. No left turns when it will inconvenience ME.
5. No going straight when it will inconvenience ME.
6. No merging when it will inconvenience ME.
7. No staying in the same lane when it will inconvenience ME.
8. No passing when it will inconvenience ME.
9. No huge gas guzzling SUVs when it will inconvenience ME.
10. No fuel efficient small cars or hybrids when it will inconvenience ME.

In fact, if everyone would just remember to ask themselves if what they are about to do will inconvenience ME, before they do it, driving would be a lot better for everyone.
 
2013-05-09 04:04:20 PM  
In defense of Marylanders (I now feel dirty), I-95 in Maryland has entirely too many left exits and entrances, so even the term "passing lane" is only incompletely correct.


Left exits on I-95 in Maryland - Maryland House, Chesapeake House, I-695 (south of city - north side interchange was changed several years ago), MD-32 (entrance only).  is that really "too many"?

as a former Marylander, get the fark out of the left lane if you aren't doing at least 80.
 
2013-05-09 04:04:21 PM  

PsyLord: 9- Drivers who refuse to merge when their lane is ending until the lines force them over. Once they hit the end of the lane, they just start drifting into the through lane (no signal of course) and force their way in, usually slowing down (the ...

I see this all the time and it is a pet peeve. When they see people merging right in front of them, the step on the gas and floor it, zooming way to the front where now they try to barge into the only lane. Basically they just want to cut in front of all of the normal people that merge like they were suppose to.


yup, missed that one, and adding to it...

Where I drive to get home at night:

3 lanes, the left is the straight going one, the middle goes towards the off-ramp to go to a second highway, while the right is the off-ramp to get off the highway.

The middle lane is always the nasty one that gets congested, and where I get on, I need to flip to the left, and overall it's not too bad once you get in the middle one for a moment.

The "pet peeve" is that many move over to the left side (they are already in the middle lane heading where they are going anyways), and race to the end of the "line" where the off-ramp to the other highway is and then cut off everyone, and block the left lane.

Overall, these are the idiots that causes more slowdown that anything else does, and for both lanes.


CrazyCracka420: That is a pet peeve of many people, but it's only because we're all taught manners (for the most part) and we think of it as "budging" in line. Sure if everyone is getting over a mile before the lane ends, and some people are flying ahead of 100 cars, it can seem like a dick move, but all those people getting over early are part of the problem (of the road being backed up). It's proven that the zipper merge is the most efficient way for traffic to merge. That means using both lanes up until the point where one lane ends...not getting over a 1/4 mile before hand.

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Problem is, I'd agree but that's now how it's done...

if people would zipper in properly, it would be fine, but the general situation is those that aren't happy with the zipper, they MUST push forward as much as possible, merging properly goes to hell, they should get in from of anyone else.

So instead of the merging (zipper) in the last 50 feet of the end of the lane, they push to the last 2 feet and force themselves in... regardless if the person next to them is leaving space for them to merge, "they" have to get in front of that one car in front of them.
 
2013-05-09 04:04:32 PM  

Burr: imfallen_angel: 5- getting stuck behind the asshat in the standard at a red light in a small hill, where the asshat cannot handle being able to prevent his vehicle from creeping backwards bit by bit as he has no ability with a clutch. (but will assure you of how great a driver they are)

Maybe you shouldn't tailgate people at red lights...


No shiat. Rule of thumb is being able to see their back tires and the road. Closer than that, you're an asshole.
 
2013-05-09 04:05:18 PM  
Still no way to force someone in the fast lane to go faster than the speed limit when passing an 18 wheeler that is stuck constantly downshifting due to a slower truck because the law abiding speed limit only driver as very slowly and painstakingly passing them.

I generally try to go a minimum 5 over when passing one, just to get out of their way quicker.
 
2013-05-09 04:05:32 PM  

scalpod: The only thing worse than the ones who don't signal are the dipshiats who drive around for miles with their farking turn signals on.

Also, quit turning into the far lane you stupid assholes.


Abilene, TX has a law against that, and it's surprisingly strictly enforced. APD will pull your ass over and write you a ticket here if they catch you trying to pull that kind of bullshiat.

On the other hand, they don't investigate robberies (unless it's a business) and I've been a victim of a hit and run while on a bicycle and they made me walk to the police station to file a report, at which point they told me to my face that they weren't going to do anything about it unless the driver called them and confessed.

Really the only thing APD does is drive around and write traffic tickets. I've never heard of them lifting a finger about any other kind of crime unless someone gets killed. Even then they half-ass it.
 
2013-05-09 04:07:08 PM  

moothemagiccow: scottydoesntknow: Fark that, it should be anything slower than the posted speed limit (barring traffic/accidents). If you're in the left lane going 56 in a 65 you're still royally farking up traffic flow.

/Hate chicken-shiat douchebags that just ride in the left lane because they don't know how to actually drive

You do know what "limit" means, right?


www.martijnbreeuwer.nl
 
2013-05-09 04:07:15 PM  
OldManDownDRoad:

Fender-huggers. Especially annoying if they get into your 7- or 5 o'clock position so they are just out of your direct line of sight. I've been known to toss the ice out of my empty drink cup onto their windshields. I've tried flicking boogers but that's not as effective.

I've often wondered if there isn't some kind of slipstream effect that takes place at highway speeds when you get close enough to someone.  Like how bicyclists in a race sit right on each others tail and alternate who's in front, so everyone else behind can take advantage and not work as hard for a bit.  It happens to me WAY too often to just be other rude drivers trying to match me.  I'm almost always driving with cruise control on, and the number of times I'm passing someone (with cruise control on) and they speed up to match my speed, or someone's passing me and slows down to my speed, seems to be way more than coincidence.
 
2013-05-09 04:08:22 PM  
What I love with the zipper merge is the group of assholes who think that because I'm letting the car at the head of the line in, the 3 behind him get to go to. Hence now I've started giving the first car just enough space to move in, and as soon as he starts moving I close the gap to prevent the car behind him from going too.
 
2013-05-09 04:09:30 PM  

Burr: imfallen_angel: 5- getting stuck behind the asshat in the standard at a red light in a small hill, where the asshat cannot handle being able to prevent his vehicle from creeping backwards bit by bit as he has no ability with a clutch. (but will assure you of how great a driver they are)

Maybe you shouldn't tailgate people at red lights...


no tailgating needed... when you're a good 4-5 feet behind them and still they manage tp creep closer and closer until they're inches away... it's enough to get worried..

As I stated, I don't drive planning to damage someone else's car (nor do I consider it normal), and nobody should plan to do the same.

I'm guess you're a standard driver... and you're probably a great one too (like they all claim to be)
 
2013-05-09 04:10:59 PM  

ayrlander: OldManDownDRoad:

Fender-huggers. Especially annoying if they get into your 7- or 5 o'clock position so they are just out of your direct line of sight. I've been known to toss the ice out of my empty drink cup onto their windshields. I've tried flicking boogers but that's not as effective.

I've often wondered if there isn't some kind of slipstream effect that takes place at highway speeds when you get close enough to someone.  Like how bicyclists in a race sit right on each others tail and alternate who's in front, so everyone else behind can take advantage and not work as hard for a bit.  It happens to me WAY too often to just be other rude drivers trying to match me.  I'm almost always driving with cruise control on, and the number of times I'm passing someone (with cruise control on) and they speed up to match my speed, or someone's passing me and slows down to my speed, seems to be way more than coincidence.


Mythbusters did a test on whether following behind an 18-wheeler would increase your MPG. Turns out it's true and the closer you get the better mileage you can get. Of course it also becomes more and more dangerous and by the end they said it wasn't worth it (even though it was a pretty large difference). I think they were like 3 feet behind a big-rig and were getting something like 50-70% better mileage.
 
2013-05-09 04:11:18 PM  

ayrlander: OldManDownDRoad:

Fender-huggers. Especially annoying if they get into your 7- or 5 o'clock position so they are just out of your direct line of sight. I've been known to toss the ice out of my empty drink cup onto their windshields. I've tried flicking boogers but that's not as effective.

I've often wondered if there isn't some kind of slipstream effect that takes place at highway speeds when you get close enough to someone.  Like how bicyclists in a race sit right on each others tail and alternate who's in front, so everyone else behind can take advantage and not work as hard for a bit.  It happens to me WAY too often to just be other rude drivers trying to match me.  I'm almost always driving with cruise control on, and the number of times I'm passing someone (with cruise control on) and they speed up to match my speed, or someone's passing me and slows down to my speed, seems to be way more than coincidence.


There is a slip stream effect. It's called, in car racing parlance, drafting. You radically decrease your gas consumption when drafting behind a large semi, for instance. But you're a pacecar if you do that because you're asking to rear-end a semi while going 80 mph.
 
2013-05-09 04:11:51 PM  
Oh, and as far as the gap in traffic goes, let me throw this out there for some of you cretins:

When I'm sitting in a long line of rush hour traffic or similar, I try and figure out about how fast the average speed of my lane is. (Good lord, that's tortured syntax.) It's usually in the ballpark of half as fast as people go if they jackrabbit until their next stop. In other words, if the guy in front of me guns it from a dead stop and can get up to 15 before he slams on the brakes, the average speed of my lane is about 7.5 MPH. I don't know whythis tends to work, but it does.

Anyway, once I've figured out the speed my lane's going, I try and cruise at that speed. This not only keeps me rolling, it also lets everyone behind me roll at that speed without constantly jamming on their brakes. Plus, it looks cool in my rear-view mirrow when there's a line of smooth-flowing traffic behind me. The downside of driving like this, though, is that there's a gap created between me and the guy in front of me when he jams on his gas. If I'm timing things right, I should be approaching his bumper the instant he's punching the gas for his next hop.

If you're the person who's been cruising behind me at a constant speed for over a half-mile, there's really no point in whipping around me and filling that gap. You gain a car-length, and you make me hit my brakes. This slows down everyone behind me, too, since they all have to now use their brakes.
 
2013-05-09 04:12:51 PM  

Kaenneth: There was an interesting study correlating road rage to being circumcised, apparently cut men get much more upset about people driving slow in the 'fast lane' than uncut men.

Probably due to their inability to have complete sexual satisfaction.


They are also bad tippers and were breast fed.
 
2013-05-09 04:13:02 PM  
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Tried to make an image out of it.  I hate on cloverleaf interchanges when I'm the guy in yellow (entering the freeway) and the guy in red (exiting the freeway) jumps over the solid white line of my exit ramp.  So you're basically running straight into the side of their car if you were to run into them.  Gives you absolutely no ability to merge one into the other, after seeing that the first time, I always make sure nobodies pulling that shiat when I encounter these.  (Probably just jinxed myself and will die in a fiery accident to one of these people).
 
2013-05-09 04:14:10 PM  
you should signal your intention to move over into the turn lane.  once in the turn lane, you may turn off the signal, since being in the turn lane indicates that you intend to turn.
 
2013-05-09 04:14:15 PM  

Diogenes: Alot of anger and frustration being expressed in this thread.

When you embrace that fact that everyone else is more important than you, you won't be nearly as frustrated with driving.


I sarcastically yell "I'M IMPORTANT" when d-bags go by on the cell phone after doing something tremendously stupid.
 
2013-05-09 04:15:19 PM  

Pocket Ninja: the_sidewinder: Difficulty: There is no fast lane

See, this is truly the crux of the problem, and has always been so. The issue here is that generations of Americans have, as a sort of shorthand, referred to the left lane on a highway as "the fast lane." But the problem with that is that the word "fast" is quite subjective. I might, for example, believe that since the speed limit is 55, and I am going 57, I am going "fast" and therefore have every much a right to be in the lane as anyone else. Yes, I would have to be a slack-jawed simpleton to believe this, a halfwit bumpkin of no relative merit or worth, but the fact of the matter is that many American are exactly those things. I mean, have you been to Maryland?

So stop calling it a fast lane. Spend the extra syllable, refer to it as a passing lane. As in the following:

If I am not at this moment actively engaged in the process of passing a vehicle situated on my right-hand side, I should move immediately into the right lane myself and only re-enter the left lane when it becomes again necessary to pass another vehicle. The speed of my passing is irrelevant. How fast I believe I am going is irrelevant. All that matters is the action of passing, nothing else, and then, like a salmon who has just finished spawning and will now rest and die, the act of again moving right. This until it is time to spawn again.

Think of slack-jawed simpletons, the halfwit bumpkins everywhere. The Marylanders struggling to understand difficult concepts like "signs" and "signals." Make things easier, not more complicated. Passing lane. It is more difficult to say, but think of the payoffs.



Or you could be one of the many jerks in California who believe the car pool lane is 24/7 and feel since they have more than 2 people than can do 55 in the left lane.  Never mind the fact it is a Saturday and car pool hours are only for commute times.  MOVE THE EFF OVER.
 
2013-05-09 04:18:59 PM  

Gonz: Oh, and as far as the gap in traffic goes, let me throw this out there for some of you cretins:

When I'm sitting in a long line of rush hour traffic or similar, I try and figure out about how fast the average speed of my lane is. (Good lord, that's tortured syntax.) It's usually in the ballpark of half as fast as people go if they jackrabbit until their next stop. In other words, if the guy in front of me guns it from a dead stop and can get up to 15 before he slams on the brakes, the average speed of my lane is about 7.5 MPH. I don't know whythis tends to work, but it does.

Anyway, once I've figured out the speed my lane's going, I try and cruise at that speed. This not only keeps me rolling, it also lets everyone behind me roll at that speed without constantly jamming on their brakes. Plus, it looks cool in my rear-view mirrow when there's a line of smooth-flowing traffic behind me. The downside of driving like this, though, is that there's a gap created between me and the guy in front of me when he jams on his gas. If I'm timing things right, I should be approaching his bumper the instant he's punching the gas for his next hop.

If you're the person who's been cruising behind me at a constant speed for over a half-mile, there's really no point in whipping around me and filling that gap. You gain a car-length, and you make me hit my brakes. This slows down everyone behind me, too, since they all have to now use their brakes.


Yeah.  Problem is after one guy gets away with that, others will start it up, and you'll ultimately be the problem (because you'll be the one going slower than everybody else in the left lane at that point.
 
2013-05-09 04:19:24 PM  

ZeroCorpse: There's no sense in speeding. You won't get there much faster, thanks to stop signs, signals, traffic, and other factors. You might beat me to the same destination by a minute.


This is false.   'Speeding only gets you there a minute earlier' only applies if you are going site to site.  The extra factor is lights.  If you speed and get to a long light early enough and make it.. you make it through before the light turns red.  Chump McSpeedLimit has to wait a full cycle.  That can ad 3-4 minutes.  Do that to a couple of lights, and whammo, you are at work 10 minutes earlier.
 
2013-05-09 04:22:37 PM  

bruegel: Or you could be one of the many jerks in California who believe the car pool lane is 24/7 and feel since they have more than 2 people than can do 55 in the left lane.  Never mind the fact it is a Saturday and car pool hours are only for commute times.  MOVE THE EFF OVER.


Even funnier is the "Carpool aversion syndrome" a lot of people have whereby they will never, ever go into the carpool lane even when it's 3 AM on a Sunday and the carpool lane isn't active.  

What's really really funny is being from another state that doesn't have carpool, actually reading the sign, being the only person on the road who realizes that "Wait, it is Saturday, so this isn't carpool", and zipping along 10-15 MPH faster than the moderately congested weekend traffic.  (More valid in Seattle than CA)
 
2013-05-09 04:22:50 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: ZeroCorpse: There's no sense in speeding. You won't get there much faster, thanks to stop signs, signals, traffic, and other factors. You might beat me to the same destination by a minute.

This is false.   'Speeding only gets you there a minute earlier' only applies if you are going site to site.  The extra factor is lights.  If you speed and get to a long light early enough and make it.. you make it through before the light turns red.  Chump McSpeedLimit has to wait a full cycle.  That can ad 3-4 minutes.  Do that to a couple of lights, and whammo, you are at work 10 minutes earlier.


If you just barely make it through one light, chances are you will be caught be the next.
 
2013-05-09 04:22:58 PM  
What we need is a series of switches - great wall structures on a pivot, that when a vehicle is detected going slower than the average of speed used in that lane during the past two hours - the wall will pivot to obstruct the offending vehicle, and soundly flip that sonofabiatch into the next lane on the right.

I figure you'd only go slow in the far left lane once in your life.
 
2013-05-09 04:23:01 PM  

PJ-: Well I use Mac/Linux...: The thing that drives me farking crazy, which I see EVERY DAMN MORNING on my way to work, is when you are in a line at a stoplight that has just turned green, and people leave like 6 to 8 car lengths in between themselves and the car in front of them. That's 6 people that you just made wait an extra 2-3 minutes while the lights cycle through again.  It makes my blood farking boil when I miss a light by 1 or 2 cars, and I see people leaving enough room in front of them for a bus to fit in.

These people are easy to correct, you just slip your car in the spot that they left open.  They learn very quickly that they shouldn't be leaving that gap.  Usually the cause of people feeling they need the gap is when they have been rear ended, which caused them to hit the person in front of them.


I'm not talking about people not pulling up to the car in front of them when stopped at a red light.  I'm talking about once the light has turned green, and the car in front of them is now driving through the intersection, instead of immediately following they leave a space big enough for 6 other cars to fit into, thus farking over people at the back of the line who could have easily gotten through before the light changed again.
 
2013-05-09 04:23:57 PM  

Calmamity: It's a good start. Now on to bicycles.

Let's pass a law acknowledging that if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic on the road you are a hazard to yourself and others, running red lights to make up the time that you spent jacking up traffic previously is not a viable solution, and you should not be allowed to endanger lives on public roadways just to satisfy your need to feel morally superior.


The only time a cyclist can be anywhere but on the right is turning left, staying out of the right turn lane and avoiding crap in the far right lane.  Otherwise it is considered obstruction of traffic.

Not going to disagree that the current road designs aren't very good when combining both.
 
2013-05-09 04:24:01 PM  

OldManDownDRoad: BadJazz: ZeroCorpse:
Just stay away from me when you're driving. That's all I ask. I drive exactly the speed limit. I avoid huge clusters and packs of cars and prefer to drive between the packs... AWAY from the other drivers. The only way to be safe from other drivers is to avoid them completely.

Yup, completely agree.  Which brings to mind the bastards who want to use me as their own personal cruise control and stick to me like glue, no matter how much I try to shake them. (aka Highway Buddies)  Follow me at a distance all you want and all is well, but don't keep catching up to me and then obstructing most of my rear view mirror just because you're too lazy to keep your speed in check on your own.


Fender-huggers. Especially annoying if they get into your 7- or 5 o'clock position so they are just out of your direct line of sight. I've been known to toss the ice out of my empty drink cup onto their windshields. I've tried flicking boogers but that's not as effective.


I just might re-aim my windshield sprayers.
 
2013-05-09 04:24:59 PM  
All you people who think the left lane is just for passing must live in rural areas where there is little to no chance of seeing another car as your drive the 70 miles to a populated area and therefore your job.

Those of us who live in or near cities know there is no such thing as a passing lane. There are 3 or 4 lanes in each direction and they're all packed all the time, day or night.
 
2013-05-09 04:27:31 PM  

Kaenneth: There was an interesting study correlating road rage to being circumcised, apparently cut men get much more upset about people driving slow in the 'fast lane' than uncut men.

Probably due to their inability to have complete sexual satisfaction.


Nah, it's more likely that uncut men have had their brains eaten up from a chronic yeast infection and are too retarded to care by the time they are old enough to drive.
 
2013-05-09 04:27:32 PM  

Gonz: Anyway, once I've figured out the speed my lane's going, I try and cruise at that speed. This not only keeps me rolling, it also lets everyone behind me roll at that speed without constantly jamming on their brakes. Plus, it looks cool in my rear-view mirrow when there's a line of smooth-flowing traffic behind me. The downside of driving like this, though, is that there's a gap created between me and the guy in front of me when he jams on his gas. If I'm timing things right, I should be approaching his bumper the instant he's punching the gas for his next hop.


This was a popular problem to tackle with computer simulations while I was in school.  Traffic jams are largely caused by the standing wave effect.  Basically, if the capacity of the roadway is sufficient (where sufficient is kind of complicated to define), it really only takes one person per traffic jam to "reset" the wave and allow traffic to proceed.  However, it only takes a slight tap of the brakes for the wave to start up again.
 
2013-05-09 04:29:03 PM  

serial_crusher: eraser8: I_Am_Weasel: I assume they once again failed to address the menace of uncanceled turn signals?

The people I want cannonized* are the people who brake and only use their turn signals once they've slowed down to 5 miles per hour.  Please, for the love of all that is good, signal your turn BEFORE applying the brake.

*cannonized: to be shot out of a cannon.  Not to be confused with canonized: to be declared a saint.

Also the guy who is already halfway into your lane before he turns the signal on for 2 blinks.  Why even bother at that point?

/ Sidetrack: I think cars should have a "straight" signal as well as the turn signals.  That way when you're at an intersection you know whether the guy is actually going straight or whether he's some idiot who's just not signaling.


I dunno, sometimes the two-blink has a purpose. I moved from Missouri (chill, inattentive drivers) to New Jersey (enraged, aware drivers). In Missouri, the signal was a request... you flip it on and the person lets you in after they notice it. In New Jersey it was a warning... back the fark up cuz I'm moving over into that fleeting open space. If you didn't move immediately following the signal, they seemed to sense your weakness and close the gap.

\I was amazed at the cultural driving differences in MO and NJ
\\I think this is why driving in DC sucks so hard... the highest transplant rate city, so everybody drives belligerently according to their own culture and hates everyone else.
 
2013-05-09 04:29:12 PM  
I get really irritated at people who use cruise control and expect me to maintain a constant speed.  I try to go about 7 over, but generally I range between 3 under and 10 over.  These cruise control folks always try to pass me, and that pisses me off because I want to go 7 over and the cruiser is probably wanting to go 6 over, so I'll speed up to prevent their passing me.  They get really mad but I don't care.
 
2013-05-09 04:30:39 PM  
Driving pet peeve threads, probably the only time you'll see me agreeing with lennavan,,,So many pet peeves listed here that I agree with...my wife thinks a lot like some of the people here who think we're "racing" or like it's a competition.

I have a speed that I'm trying to go, it has nothing to do with how early or late I am, it has nothing to do with how fast or slow the other people are going.  If I'm trying to go 70 and I can go around someone who is not going as fast as me, I will.  If I have my cruise on and the person in front of me is fluxuating in speed by 10 mph, I will fly around them.  If there's a semi (or row of semi's) in the right lane, I will speed up considerably to go around them.  It has nothing to do with being aggressive, or racing, or being a bad driver, I'm taking control of my actions and there's reasons for it.  it's okay if you want to drive slower than me, but once you've passed the car next to you, move back over into the right lane. 

Too many people in this thread (and all these driving threads) think they are the speed limit enforcers.
 
2013-05-09 04:34:57 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: PJ-: Well I use Mac/Linux...: The thing that drives me farking crazy, which I see EVERY DAMN MORNING on my way to work, is when you are in a line at a stoplight that has just turned green, and people leave like 6 to 8 car lengths in between themselves and the car in front of them. That's 6 people that you just made wait an extra 2-3 minutes while the lights cycle through again.  It makes my blood farking boil when I miss a light by 1 or 2 cars, and I see people leaving enough room in front of them for a bus to fit in.

These people are easy to correct, you just slip your car in the spot that they left open.  They learn very quickly that they shouldn't be leaving that gap.  Usually the cause of people feeling they need the gap is when they have been rear ended, which caused them to hit the person in front of them.

I'm not talking about people not pulling up to the car in front of them when stopped at a red light.  I'm talking about once the light has turned green, and the car in front of them is now driving through the intersection, instead of immediately following they leave a space big enough for 6 other cars to fit into, thus farking over people at the back of the line who could have easily gotten through before the light changed again.


That's another pet peeve I would see every day after work.  The entrance turn lane would always be backed up very far.  It was the same every single day.  Not every car will get through the turn before the light turns red. The faster people are at the turn, the more cars get through.  But you always have one or two assholes who take their sweet time and instead of 20 cars making it through, only 15 do.  Not something to rage over, but certainly inconsiderate of them.  I just think that a lot of the drivers on the road, just don't think all that much about their actions and how it affects the other drivers.
 
2013-05-09 04:35:29 PM  

lennavan: moothemagiccow: You could save 172 hours (over a WEEK) if you moved 10 miles closer to your workplace.

Yeah, you should see the housing prices 10 miles closer to my work places.  I'm willing to sacrifice 172 hours a year so I can afford a house rather than still live in a shiatty apartment for the same price.

What do I get in return for those 50 hours I lose by driving 5 mph slower?  It sure as fark isn't increased safety.

moothemagiccow: You could also save 277 hours (11 days) if you worked from home one day a week.

I cannot legally work from home.  You need permits and shiat to use some of this science stuff.  The rest, well if you can convince my boss to buy me a $200,000 microscope to use at home, I'm all for it.

Hey, I'm open to more suggestions on how to save more time on the road.  But you're not telling me to do something instead of speeding.  You're giving me ideas to use in addition to speeding.  And by the way,  5mph over the limit is not so terrible.


If you secretly moved into some forgotten basement corner of the building where you work, you wouldn't have to drive at all. Catch rain water for sponge baths and hunt rats for food. For the good of the planet. Plus, good exercise (the rat hunting - they're wily from living among humans for so long).
 
2013-05-09 04:36:39 PM  

moothemagiccow: justtray: ZeroCorpse: Wow. A lot of armchair NASCAR professionals here.

Don't let me get in the way of your posturing, fellas. We all know that every single one of you drives better than anyone else on the road, including each other.

Just stay away from me when you're driving. That's all I ask. I drive exactly the speed limit. I avoid huge clusters and packs of cars and prefer to drive between the packs... AWAY from the other drivers. The only way to be safe from other drivers is to avoid them completely.

And when you come cruising up at high speed on my left, be sure to wave, because I'll probably wave back when I catch up to you a moment later at the next light.

There's no sense in speeding. You won't get there much faster, thanks to stop signs, signals, traffic, and other factors. You might beat me to the same destination by a minute. Ooooh. I bet that minute really helped you when you were wandering around finding a close parking space while I parked in the back and walked, STILL beating you to the actual destination.

People who treat driving like its a competition are to be avoided.

That's great, and I'm happy for you and ignorance must surely be bliss to think that going faster doesn't allow you to make lights that you would otherwise hit a red at, but do be just this one solid, and don't use the left lane unless you're passing someone.

Thanks.

I don't understand why you're so pressed for time.

Leave earlier. Relax. You'll get where you need to in time. Being two or three minutes early just isn't worth it. You might even live longer.

It's like waiting for someone to leave the front row in a parking lot. Just park in the back and walk.


I guess I just have empathy for everyone on the road and think others should as well. Not everyone likes sitting in traffic for 20 minutes for what should be a 10 minute drive because people want to filter out to all lanes going the exact same speed.

It's nothing like waiting for someone to leave the front row spot. Again that is more akin to someone with your mentality. I understand saving time, whereas your mentality of "its just a few minutes" is more akin to waiting for the front parking spot. Both horrible, self-serving behaviors that you should be ashamed of.

Also;

Nutsac_Jim: ZeroCorpse: There's no sense in speeding. You won't get there much faster, thanks to stop signs, signals, traffic, and other factors. You might beat me to the same destination by a minute.

This is false.   'Speeding only gets you there a minute earlier' only applies if you are going site to site.  The extra factor is lights.  If you speed and get to a long light early enough and make it.. you make it through before the light turns red.  Chump McSpeedLimit has to wait a full cycle.  That can ad 3-4 minutes.  Do that to a couple of lights, and whammo, you are at work 10 minutes earlier.


Bingo.

stevetherobot: If you just barely make it through one light, chances are you will be caught be the next.


Wrong. I don't know where you got your education, but you should get a refund.
 
2013-05-09 04:38:36 PM  
OK... so confession time. I did not grow up in the US (although if I had l been born here I might not have grown up yet either, but that's another issue), but I have now lived in Florida for nearly 2 decades.

The one thing that stuck out like a sore thumb when I first arrived on US shores, and still does, is how often I can drive unobstructed in the right lane of the interstate because everyone else is either in the center or left lane. Its like they are zombies and cannot figure out that the fastest lane at that moment is the right hand one. Nope, stick in the left lane because I want to go somewhere.... fast. Or, worse yet... why the heck bother to move over no matter my speed? I like this lane and its suited me for years, so here I will stay and screw everyone else

And it seems like it doesn't matter who, but as soon as they enter the interstate, all these drivers head to the left as if it was magnetized.

There's nothing like the little old lady who says she never has problems on the Interstate. "I just drive in the left lane and there is a clear road ahead of me." Yeah lady, but did you look behind you at the line of 50 cars that you are holding up?

There has to be a cultural reason for this. Can anyone explain?
 
2013-05-09 04:39:07 PM  
Well I use Mac/Linux...:
I'm not talking about people not pulling up to the car in front of them when stopped at a red light.  I'm talking about once the light has turned green, and the car in front of them is now driving through the intersection, instead of immediately following they leave a space big enough for 6 other cars to fit into, thus farking over people at the back of the line who could have easily gotten through before the light changed again.

Inevitably these are the same people who spent the entire red light creeping forward 1" at a time, finally the light turns green and they suddenly want to sit there for a few more seconds.  Maybe they were creeping forward to get to the precise spot that they wanted and now that they have their spot they don't want to leave it?
 
2013-05-09 04:39:23 PM  
My new favorite traffic game is boxing out people who got in the wrong lane and try to jump in front of traffic (often speeding across 3 lanes of traffic) to cut in front of everyone to make their last-second turn.

I swear to GOD I will steamroll your little POS Mitsubishi and make you take a long-ass detour to get where you're going. Get in the proper lane and wait like everyone else, I don't let anyone in front of me (or behind me) if I can help it.

/Big truck SMASH!
 
2013-05-09 04:39:28 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: ZeroCorpse: There's no sense in speeding. You won't get there much faster, thanks to stop signs, signals, traffic, and other factors. You might beat me to the same destination by a minute.

This is false.   'Speeding only gets you there a minute earlier' only applies if you are going site to site.  The extra factor is lights.  If you speed and get to a long light early enough and make it.. you make it through before the light turns red.  Chump McSpeedLimit has to wait a full cycle.  That can ad 3-4 minutes.  Do that to a couple of lights, and whammo, you are at work 10 minutes earlier.


This is true. Since our office moved about 10 miles farther away, I go through about, eh, 15 lights now to get to work. Having to stop at most of them vs. not having to makes quite a difference. So is being stuck behind some dipshiat going slower than traffic because they don't know where they're going/are yapping on their phone/some other stupid excuse.
 
2013-05-09 04:40:03 PM  
Speaking of people who don't follow the signs: 11foot8

/used to work just down the block from this bridge
 
2013-05-09 04:40:25 PM  

SevenT: one thing that stuck out like a sore thumb when I first arrived on US shores, and still does, is how often I can drive unobstructed in the right lane of the interstate because everyone else is either in the center or left lane. Its like they are zombies and cannot figure out that the fastest lane at that moment is the right hand one. Nope, stick in the left lane because I want to go somewhere.... fast. Or, worse yet... why the heck bother to move over no matter my speed? I like this lane and its suited me for years, so here I will stay and screw everyone else

And it seems like it doesn't matter who, but as soon as they enter the interstate, all these drivers head to the left as if it was magnetized.

There's nothing like the little old lady who says she never has problems on the Interstate. "I just drive in the left lane and there is a clear road ahead of me." Yeah lady, but did you look behind you at the line of 50 cars that you are holding up?


Entitlement.
 
2013-05-09 04:40:32 PM  

SevenT: OK... so confession time. I did not grow up in the US (although if I had l been born here I might not have grown up yet either, but that's another issue), but I have now lived in Florida for nearly 2 decades.

The one thing that stuck out like a sore thumb when I first arrived on US shores, and still does, is how often I can drive unobstructed in the right lane of the interstate because everyone else is either in the center or left lane. Its like they are zombies and cannot figure out that the fastest lane at that moment is the right hand one. Nope, stick in the left lane because I want to go somewhere.... fast. Or, worse yet... why the heck bother to move over no matter my speed? I like this lane and its suited me for years, so here I will stay and screw everyone else

And it seems like it doesn't matter who, but as soon as they enter the interstate, all these drivers head to the left as if it was magnetized.

There's nothing like the little old lady who says she never has problems on the Interstate. "I just drive in the left lane and there is a clear road ahead of me." Yeah lady, but did you look behind you at the line of 50 cars that you are holding up?

There has to be a cultural reason for this. Can anyone explain?


They're stupid.
 
2013-05-09 04:42:26 PM  
bschool.pepperdine.edu


We're gonna need more ticket books!
 
2013-05-09 04:43:10 PM  

PJ-: imfallen_angel: How about just going with a pet peeve while driving bingo.

1- slow drivers

2- drivers that have no clue on how to use their signal lights

3- drivers that believe that those lines on the ground are only for decoration and doesn't apply to them

4- similar to #3, but these drivers believe that regardless of how many lanes they are, that they are driving on all of them, swerving from one side of the road to the other back and forth, over and over again, I'm guessing after learning to drive on a racing video game.

5- getting stuck behind the asshat in the standard at a red light in a small hill, where the asshat cannot handle being able to prevent his vehicle from creeping backwards bit by bit as he has no ability with a clutch. (but will assure you of how great a driver they are)

6- cellphones, either talking or texting, they should be pulled over and kicked and such like a faulty printer.  I've see idiots holding their cells to their head while letting go of the steering wheel because they needed to make gestures while talking. Same with the ones applying make-up while driving.

7- dogs, another scenario where the driver that has the dog on their lap (or jumping all over the place) should be pulled over and beaten until their spleen comes out.

8- bumper riders... "look idiot, I'm either going at the limit or even higher (and that's the limit that I will go as I refuse to get a ticket over your dumbass), there is no way for me to let you pass right now because if I could I would as I enjoy having a buffer for the cops to go after, and if you seriously need to get to that red light 3 seconds faster so you can show your amazing braking abilities, you should go rent a racetrack and get it out of your system."

You do realize that right now your post makes you look like one of those people who scream at their windshield because someone isn't driving the way they want them to.  #5 by the way, OH NOES!!! A little bump to your car that probably didn't even cause a dent in your bumper.

You need to relax a bit there, not everybody in the world works by your schedule.  I'm one of those people that drives under the speed limit if i'm not in a rush to get anywhere.  If I am in fact in a rush, then I might push it to 5-10 over the speed limit.  I don't do it because i'm a scared driver, I do it because you don't farking know who is going to do what on the road, and if you are going too fast, your reflex speed won't be fast enough to prevent you from t-boning some douchebag who didn't stop for a red light.


You say that like the douchebag running the red light doesn't fully deserve a t-boning. You wouldn't be found at fault, hell, you'd probably get a new car out of the deal if you have decent insurance.
 
2013-05-09 04:46:02 PM  

Gos2Slo: My new favorite traffic game is boxing out people who got in the wrong lane and try to jump in front of traffic (often speeding across 3 lanes of traffic) to cut in front of everyone to make their last-second turn.

I swear to GOD I will steamroll your little POS Mitsubishi and make you take a long-ass detour to get where you're going. Get in the proper lane and wait like everyone else, I don't let anyone in front of me (or behind me) if I can help it.

/Big truck SMASH!


My favorite is the eventual obituary if it hasn't already happened, of the (maybe 18) year old motorcycle rider who first came up in the left lane (3 lanes, I was in the middle) on the interstate and swung with a half an inch to spare in front of the Lexus SUV my mother owns and had me driving while she napped.  We were passing an 18 wheeler at the time.  Then the motorcycle sped up, and swung with the same distance to spare in front of the truck.  Following which the rider turned off on the exit. 

While I had enough line of sight to see the motorcycle, and enough room behind me to slow down.  The trucker never saw the guy in his mirror, was too high off the ground to see the motorcycle, and he definitely did not see Future Smear swing in front of him.  And I guarantee that if he saw anything at all, he wondered where the hell the motorcycle came from that turned off at the exit.
 
2013-05-09 04:49:02 PM  

CrazyCracka420: That's another pet peeve I would see every day after work. The entrance turn lane would always be backed up very far. It was the same every single day. Not every car will get through the turn before the light turns red. The faster people are at the turn, the more cars get through. But you always have one or two assholes who take their sweet time and instead of 20 cars making it through, only 15 do. Not something to rage over, but certainly inconsiderate of them. I just think that a lot of the drivers on the road, just don't think all that much about their actions and how it affects the other drivers.


Nothing beats being stuck behind someone that sits there inching forward as slow as they can and just as they reach the intersection, they appear to wait for the light to go yellow and THEN they slam forward like a bat out of hell. And then the light is too far gone for anyone else to go through.

But then again, the number of red lights infraction I see on an ongoing bases is staggering.  The cops are asses about doing "safety week" and go for anyone going under a yellow, but in "real life" the number of red lights goers that get away (some within an inch of smashing into someone or have someone smash into them) is just amazing.
 
2013-05-09 04:49:26 PM  

Gentoolive: The All-Powerful Atheismo: As a guy who thinks people who drive more than 5 or 10 over the speed limit are dangerous psychotics except in case of extreme emergency, This is an idea I can support.

The left lane is for people going the speed limit or slightly over.  Not for slow driving.

You are the one everyone in this thread is complaining about.


Hilarious, retarded, and wrong.

Considering that I agree with everyone in this thread that says this law is a good idea.

BTW if you feel the need or desire to go 80 in a 65 when there is a single other car on the road, (which there always is around here), you are a dangerous person.
 
2013-05-09 04:55:00 PM  
justtray:stevetherobot: If you just barely make it through one light, chances are you will be caught be the next.

Wrong. I don't know where you got your education, but you should get a refund.

On tha street, bayybeee! It's happened to me and I've seen it happen to others.
 
2013-05-09 04:55:14 PM  

run4urlife: [img.gawkerassets.com image 640x360]


hey, where the hell did that come from?
www.majhost.com
 
2013-05-09 04:55:50 PM  

SevenT: OK... so confession time. I did not grow up in the US (although if I had l been born here I might not have grown up yet either, but that's another issue), but I have now lived in Florida for nearly 2 decades.

The one thing that stuck out like a sore thumb when I first arrived on US shores, and still does, is how often I can drive unobstructed in the right lane of the interstate because everyone else is either in the center or left lane. Its like they are zombies and cannot figure out that the fastest lane at that moment is the right hand one. Nope, stick in the left lane because I want to go somewhere.... fast. Or, worse yet... why the heck bother to move over no matter my speed? I like this lane and its suited me for years, so here I will stay and screw everyone else

And it seems like it doesn't matter who, but as soon as they enter the interstate, all these drivers head to the left as if it was magnetized.

There's nothing like the little old lady who says she never has problems on the Interstate. "I just drive in the left lane and there is a clear road ahead of me." Yeah lady, but did you look behind you at the line of 50 cars that you are holding up?

There has to be a cultural reason for this. Can anyone explain?


You want to know the honest reason? Those people are actually scared of driving. They consider being on the road to be a terrifying thing, and by getting in the far left lane, it ensures that they only have to focus on what's in front, to the right, and behind them (although behind them is usually not a concern), unlike any other lane where you have to be aware of all your surroundings.

They're chicken-shiats (which is why I called them that in the boobies (haha fark filter, I TYPED boobies, not you!!) who really don't want to be there in the first place and don't want to have the responsiblity of being aware of their surroundings.
 
2013-05-09 04:58:10 PM  
"Minimum speed" laws like this Florida one don't make much sense. Here in CA we have a very sensible rule, written with a fancy, lawyer-y word in it:

"21654.  (a) Notwithstanding the prima facie speed limits, any vehicle proceeding upon a highway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at such time shall be driven in the right-hand lane for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand edge or curb, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway."

And we have signage to that effect pretty much everywhere:

phantomtraffic.com

Is that so hard?
 
2013-05-09 04:59:29 PM  

Pud: I think it should be legal to do the PIT maneuver on any car pacing the car in the lane to their right. If you're going to do the same speed as the car next to you, get in front of them, get behind them, just get the hell out of MY way


My favorite thing when driving is when am coming up on someone and move over to pass, despite the fact that I'm on cruise control and haven't varied my speed at all, I suddenly find that the car to my right is going the same speed as me.

Or when I've just passed someone and the guy who's tailgating me cuts over to the right lane and passes me on the right because apparently they've never learned about safe following distances on either side of a car. That becomes even more awesome when other cars start doing the same thing, so now you've got several cars passing you on your right.
 
2013-05-09 05:00:24 PM  

timujin: run4urlife: [img.gawkerassets.com image 640x360]

hey, where the hell did that come from?
[www.majhost.com image 489x323]


Mine's from 2008, btw, farking copycats...
http://www.fark.com/comments/3692641/Seattle-police-are-ticketing-sl ow -drivers-in-fast-lane

/*grumble*
 
2013-05-09 05:02:36 PM  
Whateva whateva, I drive a Mustang, I do what I want.
 
2013-05-09 05:08:51 PM  
::sigh::

Yet another thread full of people who don't know that the speed limit is... the limit. The fastest you are supposed to go. Doesn't matter if you are passing. Doesn't matter if the 'flow of traffic' (another way to say "everyone else was doin it...") is going faster. Doesn't matter if you're the only one on the road.

The speed limit is the fastest you can go, given perfect road conditions. (note that last part- if there are any adverse conditions- rain/snow/hail/sleet/dust storm/wet road surface/sun glare in your eyes/etc/etc/etc/, you should be going SLOWER than the limit.) Under no conditions can you go faster than the limit.

If everyone followed that one simple rulelaw, there would be fewer accidents, less severe accidents, and no stupid arguing over 'keep right except to pass' (aka, 'get outa my way so Ican break the law!')

Buy y'all wanna get to your destination 20 seconds faster, so....
 
2013-05-09 05:10:19 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Passing lane. It is more difficult to say, but think of the payoffs.


What's that? Ah -Payoffs? Don't talk about -payoffs?You kidding me?Payoffs? I just hope we can get another lane! Another lane!
 
2013-05-09 05:13:00 PM  

fredklein: ::sigh::

Yet another thread full of people who don't know that the speed limit is... the limit. The fastest you are supposed to go. Doesn't matter if you are passing. Doesn't matter if the 'flow of traffic' (another way to say "everyone else was doin it...") is going faster. Doesn't matter if you're the only one on the road.

The speed limit is the fastest you can go, given perfect road conditions. (note that last part- if there are any adverse conditions- rain/snow/hail/sleet/dust storm/wet road surface/sun glare in your eyes/etc/etc/etc/, you should be going SLOWER than the limit.) Under no conditions can you go faster than the limit.

If everyone followed that one simple rulelaw, there would be fewer accidents, less severe accidents, and no stupid arguing over 'keep right except to pass' (aka, 'get outa my way so Ican break the law!')

Buy y'all wanna get to your destination 20 seconds faster, so....


Except the speed limit is usually 80% of the maximum rated speed the road is designed to handle.  The law is a LIE.
 
2013-05-09 05:14:33 PM  

serial_crusher: I've always thought they should do graduated speed limits in 5mph increments per lane.
i.e. if posted sign says 70mph,
right lane: no minimum, max 70mph
center lane: 70 min, 75 max
left lane: 75 min, 80 max
etc

You'd probably have to work on the "slower traffic keep right" laws to be compatible with that though.  i.e. it's currently illegal to drive the speed limit in the left lane, if you're not passing anybody, but with this there's good reason to be hanging out in the left lane, so need some way to resolve the situation where a guy going faster than you approaches.  I guess it's reasonable to say that you need to change lanes and slow down to that lane's sped limit until the other guy has passed you?


Uh yeah. Run that by the state police. I'm sure they will be 100% supportive of your contention that it is illegal to go the speed limit in the left hand lane.

I've only lived in two states, but I'm pretty sure that the drivers ed I took through my high school was totally incorrect about the speed limit applying to all lanes of traffic. That state trooper who led the class was just yanking our chains.

/who the fark teaches that the speed limit only applies to one lane? No wonder there are so many idiots on the road
//truck driver
///truck governed at 65 and I WILL pass that other truck going 64 even if it takes me 5 miles to do it taking hills into consideration. Call my company all you like, they won't care. They care about me getting from point A to point B with the load ASAP
 
2013-05-09 05:15:38 PM  
BMW Isetta !
BMW the ultimate driving machine
 
2013-05-09 05:19:28 PM  

fredklein: ::sigh::

Yet another thread full of people who don't know that the speed limit is... the limit. The fastest you are supposed to go. Doesn't matter if you are passing. Doesn't matter if the 'flow of traffic' (another way to say "everyone else was doin it...") is going faster. Doesn't matter if you're the only one on the road.

The speed limit is the fastest you can go, given perfect road conditions. (note that last part- if there are any adverse conditions- rain/snow/hail/sleet/dust storm/wet road surface/sun glare in your eyes/etc/etc/etc/, you should be going SLOWER than the limit.) Under no conditions can you go faster than the limit.

If everyone followed that one simple rulelaw, there would be fewer accidents, less severe accidents, and no stupid arguing over 'keep right except to pass' (aka, 'get outa my way so Ican break the law!')

Buy y'all wanna get to your destination 20 seconds faster, so....


That's bullshiat and you know it. The speed limit is an arbitrary number that's mainly designed to maximize the number of tickets for law enforcement. The only time it's actually for safety are in school zones (which I don't dare go above 20 in).

Texas raised the speed limit to 85 on long stretches because it was asinine to have a cap at 70 when you aren't seeing shiat for 3-4 hours at a time.
 
2013-05-09 05:20:06 PM  

another cultural observer: Except the speed limit is usually 80% of the maximum rated speed the road is designed to handle. The law is a LIE.


So get the law changed. I'll be behind you all the way.

Until then, however, you must follow the law as it is written.
 
2013-05-09 05:22:30 PM  

fredklein: another cultural observer: Except the speed limit is usually 80% of the maximum rated speed the road is designed to handle. The law is a LIE.

So get the law changed. I'll be behind you all the way.

Until then, however, you must follow the law as it is written.


I cannot be forced to follow the law.  I can choose to follow the law, or choose not to follow the law, taking into account the risks and rewards.
 
2013-05-09 05:23:11 PM  

fredklein: If everyone followed that one simple rulelaw, there would be fewer accidents, less severe accidents, and no stupid arguing over 'keep right except to pass' (aka, 'get outa my way so Ican break the law!')

 
I know you're just being a prick to annoy people (although you're awfully late for this sort of trolling), but, no, there wouldn't. Speed is virtually never the cause of a crash. And cars are far safer today than they were when almost every speed limit in the country was last set. And in my state it's just as illegal to drive in the left lane without passing as it is to speed.


tl;dr: shut the fark up, troll
 
2013-05-09 05:23:29 PM  

fredklein: other cultural observer: Except the speed limit is usually 80% of the maximum rated speed the road is designed to handle. The law is a LIE.

So get the law changed. I'll be behind you all the way.


No the problem is you're in front of me all the way and won't get the fark over!
 
2013-05-09 05:24:02 PM  
I'm ok with this. And they'll be easy to catch because they're going so slow.
 
2013-05-09 05:24:55 PM  

scottydoesntknow: That's bullshiat and you know it. The speed limit is an arbitrary number that's mainly designed to maximize the number of tickets for law enforcement.


Whether this is true or not, the law is the law. If you disagree with it, you have the right to petition for it to be changed. However, until and unless it is changed, you must follow it as it currently is. You can't just up and say say "I think this law is wrong" and expect to be allowed to get away with breaking it.
 
2013-05-09 05:27:05 PM  

another cultural observer: I cannot be forced to follow the law. I can choose to follow the law, or choose not to follow the law, taking into account the risks and rewards.


And one of those 'risks' is getting your Drivers License taken away. Then you can't drive AT ALL, not to mention speed. (Well, you could drive without a license, but if you keep doing that, you'll end up in jail, and lose a lot more than driving privileges.)
 
2013-05-09 05:31:15 PM  
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2013-05-09 05:31:28 PM  
I'll be glad when these problems don't exist in 10-15 years.
 
2013-05-09 05:32:21 PM  

fredklein: You can't just up and say say "I think this law is wrong" and expect to be allowed to get away with breaking it.


Really? I've gotten away with it a lot more than not. One ticket in 20 years. I speed almost every day.

I think you might be full of crap.
 
2013-05-09 05:33:23 PM  

fredklein: another cultural observer: I cannot be forced to follow the law. I can choose to follow the law, or choose not to follow the law, taking into account the risks and rewards.

And one of those 'risks' is getting your Drivers License taken away. Then you can't drive AT ALL, not to mention speed. (Well, you could drive without a license, but if you keep doing that, you'll end up in jail, and lose a lot more than driving privileges.)


A risk I'm willing to run, but you're incorrect that anyone "MUST" follow the law.  You can go murder someone.  The law won't stop you.  You'll get consequences, but maybe not.  Even if you do get caught...you still murdered someone, despite the law.
 
2013-05-09 05:34:10 PM  

skozlaw: Speed is virtually never the cause of a crash.


Really?

http://www.swov.nl/rapport/Factsheets/UK/FS_Speed.pdf
The exact relation between speed and crashes depends on many factors.However, in a general
sense the relation is very clear: if on a road the driven speeds become higher, the crash rate will also
increase. The crash rate is also higher for an individual vehicle that drives at higher speed than the other traffic
on that road.
As speeds get higher, crashes also result in more serious injury, for the
driver who caused the crash as well as for the crash opponent.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision
A number of factors contribute to the risk of collision, including vehicle design, speed of operation, road design, road environment, driver skill and/or impairment, and driver behaviour.
...
The U.S. Department of Transportation's Federal Highway Administration review research on traffic speed in 1998. The summary states:

That the evidence shows that the risk of having a crash is increased both for vehicles traveling slower than the average speed, and for those traveling above the average speed.
That the risk of being injured increases exponentially with speeds much faster than the median speed.
That the severity/lethality of a crash depends on the vehicle speed change at impact.
That there is limited evidence that suggests that lower speed limits result in lower speeds on a system wide basis.
That most crashes related to speed involve speed too fast for the conditions.


So, like I said, speeding causes MORE crashes, and WORSE crashes.
 
2013-05-09 05:34:51 PM  

fredklein: And one of those 'risks' is getting your Drivers License taken away. Then you can't drive AT ALL


You're kidding right?

When you lose your license, do they chop off your hands or something where you live?
 
2013-05-09 05:36:56 PM  

fredklein: skozlaw: Speed is virtually never the cause of a crash.

Really?

http://www.swov.nl/rapport/Factsheets/UK/FS_Speed.pdf
The exact relation between speed and crashes depends on many factors.However, in a general
sense the relation is very clear: if on a road the driven speeds become higher, the crash rate will also
increase. The crash rate is also higher for an individual vehicle that drives at higher speed than the other traffic
on that road.
As speeds get higher, crashes also result in more serious injury, for the
driver who caused the crash as well as for the crash opponent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision
A number of factors contribute to the risk of collision, including vehicle design, speed of operation, road design, road environment, driver skill and/or impairment, and driver behaviour.
...
The U.S. Department of Transportation's Federal Highway Administration review research on traffic speed in 1998. The summary states:

That the evidence shows that the risk of having a crash is increased both for vehicles traveling slower than the average speed, and for those traveling above the average speed.
That the risk of being injured increases exponentially with speeds much faster than the median speed.
That the severity/lethality of a crash depends on the vehicle speed change at impact.
That there is limited evidence that suggests that lower speed limits result in lower speeds on a system wide basis.
That most crashes related to speed involve speed too fast for the conditions.

So, like I said, speeding causes MORE crashes, and WORSE crashes.


Speed is a "factor", not a "cause"
 
2013-05-09 05:36:58 PM  

skozlaw: fredklein: You can't just up and say say "I think this law is wrong" and expect to be allowed to get away with breaking it.

Really? I've gotten away with it a lot more than not. One ticket in 20 years. I speed almost every day.

I think you might be full of crap.


Hope you don't live next door to someone who disagrees with the Laws against kidnapping/rape/murder...
 
2013-05-09 05:37:04 PM  

un4gvn666: fredklein: And one of those 'risks' is getting your Drivers License taken away. Then you can't drive AT ALL

You're kidding right?

When you lose your license, do they chop off your hands or something where you live?


I lost a pinky after getting 5 points on my license. They said if I get another one they'll take a thumb.
 
2013-05-09 05:37:24 PM  
All of you speed demons who think that you should be allowed to drive at unlimited speed just like on the Autobahn ignore one major thing, which is that they have extremely restrictive laws on the behavior of drivers. In exchange for the right to drive fast, you lose the right to tailgate and intimidate and act like a bully. It appears that many of you enjoy the aggression so much that you'd rather drive like a bully than drive fast.
 
2013-05-09 05:37:27 PM  

fredklein: Really?


Good point. Let me rephrase:

Speeding is virtually never the cause of a crash.
 
2013-05-09 05:38:02 PM  

fredklein: Hope you don't live next door to someone who disagrees with the Laws against kidnapping/rape/murder...


Said the troll.
 
2013-05-09 05:38:16 PM  

fredklein: skozlaw: fredklein: You can't just up and say say "I think this law is wrong" and expect to be allowed to get away with breaking it.

Really? I've gotten away with it a lot more than not. One ticket in 20 years. I speed almost every day.

I think you might be full of crap.

Hope you don't live next door to someone who disagrees with the Laws against kidnapping/rape/murder...


Well...that escalated quickly!
 
2013-05-09 05:39:47 PM  

Huggermugger: All of you speed demons who think that you should be allowed to drive at unlimited speed just like on the Autobahn ignore one major thing, which is that they have extremely restrictive laws on the behavior of drivers. In exchange for the right to drive fast, you lose the right to tailgate and intimidate and act like a bully. It appears that many of you enjoy the aggression so much that you'd rather drive like a bully than drive fast.


So are they speed demons or bullies? Nm, this is a strawman anyways, I don't really care.

If you're not good enough at driving to drive fast, leave the left lane to those who can.
 
2013-05-09 05:39:53 PM  

skozlaw: Driving rant thread!

1. Don't be left of any traffic you aren't passing

2. Don't drive under the speed limit on the interstate no matter what lane you're in (barring weather or other special conditions)

3. Use your farking turn signal

4. Don't change lanes just because the person in front of you isn't passing "fast enough" for your taste

5. Don't merge without looking

6. Don't stop at a farking yield sign unless you actually have to

7. Don't ride all the way to the end of the farking onramp before you stop if you can see you're not going to be able to merge

8. 4 way stops have three simple rules: FIFO, Yield to the right, Yield on a left turn

9. If your goddamn wheels never actually stop moving at the intersection, you didn't stop and it's my farking turn

10. Don't slow down to 3 mph to make a right turn

11. Don't fark around with your phone just because the light's red, pay attention

12. Don't "wave me through" something when it's not my turn

13. You have an accelerator, use it. Don't take 30 seconds to get up to speed for no reason

14. Don't pull onto the interstate early from the ramp if you're not up to speed yet

15. Don't gawk at accidents you drooling dipshiats, I'd like to get home, not stare at blinky fire truck lights

16. AWD doesn't mean you can go 60 mph in the snow safely on your summer tires

17. Don't stomp on your gas just because the line of stopped traffic moved another 10 feet

18. The fact that you used the wrong lane for 500 feet to try and fly past a line of traffic you didn't feel like waiting in isn't my problem and I won't slow down just to let you over where you need to be.

I have no idea why people go out of their way to make driving so hard. It really isn't that difficult.


#18 is how I know you don't know what a zip merge is. You're the problem, not the solution when you move over too early.
 
2013-05-09 05:40:22 PM  

Huggermugger: All of you speed demons who think that you should be allowed to drive at unlimited speed just like on the Autobahn ignore one major thing, which is that they have extremely restrictive laws on the behavior of drivers. In exchange for the right to drive fast, you lose the right to tailgate and intimidate and act like a bully. It appears that many of you enjoy the aggression so much that you'd rather drive like a bully than drive fast.


I bully slow drivers by passing them and then going more slowly than they are.  It's quite satisfying.  "what's wrong, old lady?  Someone going slow? Inconveniencing you? I can relate.  I guess you'll have to muster up your old lady courage and pass me."
 
2013-05-09 05:41:27 PM  

another cultural observer: A risk I'm willing to run,


"Some of you may die.. but that is a risk I am willing to take..."

but you're incorrect that anyone "MUST" follow the law. You can go murder someone.

You know what I meant. Sheesh.

And if you can choose to break the speed limit (and accept the possible punishment), then why are you hating on other people who are choosing to break the 'stay right except to pass' law and accept the possible punishment? These people are just like you- they want to break the law, and they are breaking the law.
 
2013-05-09 05:43:38 PM  

un4gvn666: fredklein: And one of those 'risks' is getting your Drivers License taken away. Then you can't drive AT ALL

You're kidding right?

When you lose your license, do they chop off your hands or something where you live?


So, your advocating for driving without a license??
 
2013-05-09 05:44:53 PM  

another cultural observer: Speed is a "factor", not a "cause"


So, you wanna play word games to justify breaking the law?
 
2013-05-09 05:45:27 PM  

Koodz: #18 is how I know you don't know what a zip merge is. You're the problem, not the solution when you move over too early.


Except zip merges are for 2 lanes that are merging. On an exit, if you have 1 exit lane, you get in the lane behind everyone else, or you should be forced to wait.
 
2013-05-09 05:45:55 PM  

BolloxReader: serial_crusher: I've always thought they should do graduated speed limits in 5mph increments per lane.
i.e. if posted sign says 70mph,
right lane: no minimum, max 70mph
center lane: 70 min, 75 max
left lane: 75 min, 80 max
etc

You'd probably have to work on the "slower traffic keep right" laws to be compatible with that though.  i.e. it's currently illegal to drive the speed limit in the left lane, if you're not passing anybody, but with this there's good reason to be hanging out in the left lane, so need some way to resolve the situation where a guy going faster than you approaches.  I guess it's reasonable to say that you need to change lanes and slow down to that lane's sped limit until the other guy has passed you?

Uh yeah. Run that by the state police. I'm sure they will be 100% supportive of your contention that it is illegal to go the speed limit in the left hand lane.

I've only lived in two states, but I'm pretty sure that the drivers ed I took through my high school was totally incorrect about the speed limit applying to all lanes of traffic. That state trooper who led the class was just yanking our chains.


The legality of failure to keep right has nothing to do with the speed limit.  The illegal part is that you're driving in the wrong lane.  "I can totally shoot my machine gun out the window, officer.  I was going the speed limit!"

It is illegal to be in the left lane at all if you're not passing somebody.  Specific laws vary by state, but I'm not aware of any that allow you to drive the speed limit in the left lane of an empty highway. (technically in the situation I mentioned earlier the guy in the left lane was violating the law before any speeders approached him.  It's just that when somebody's behind him wanting to pass, he's being a dick in addition to breaking the law)
 
2013-05-09 05:46:27 PM  

Koodz: #18 is how I know you don't know what a zip merge is. You're the problem, not the solution when you move over too early.


I'm not talking about spots where a lane ends, I'm talking about dickheads who use the passing lane of a two-lane roadway to fly past traffic in the right lane that's approaching a turn off and then cut them off at the last minute because they want to turn right off that roadway with them. People who effectively make a right turn onto a ramp from the left turn lane because they didn't feel like following the normal flow of traffic.

But you go be smug if it makes you feel better.
 
2013-05-09 05:47:06 PM  
Now if they'd do something about the idjots who leave the blinker on forever...
 
2013-05-09 05:47:41 PM  

fredklein: another cultural observer: Speed is a "factor", not a "cause"

So, you wanna play word games to justify breaking the law?


Every time I pass a state trooper and I'm going 6 mph over the limit, and that trooper sees me and continues eating his donut, my speeding is justified.
 
2013-05-09 05:48:13 PM  

fredklein: un4gvn666: fredklein: And one of those 'risks' is getting your Drivers License taken away. Then you can't drive AT ALL

You're kidding right?

When you lose your license, do they chop off your hands or something where you live?

So, your advocating for driving without a license??


I'm advocating that you don't be a damn zombie and follow any rule just because the morons in D.C. or your state capitol decide it should be a law.

There are definitely situations where I can imagine having to drive without a license. Just like I regularly speed because I acknowledge that speed limits are largely arbitrary, and meant to keep dumber people from injuring themselves or others on the road.
 
2013-05-09 05:48:30 PM  

another cultural observer: Huggermugger: All of you speed demons who think that you should be allowed to drive at unlimited speed just like on the Autobahn ignore one major thing, which is that they have extremely restrictive laws on the behavior of drivers. In exchange for the right to drive fast, you lose the right to tailgate and intimidate and act like a bully. It appears that many of you enjoy the aggression so much that you'd rather drive like a bully than drive fast.

I bully slow drivers by passing them and then going more slowly than they are.  It's quite satisfying.  "what's wrong, old lady?  Someone going slow? Inconveniencing you? I can relate.  I guess you'll have to muster up your old lady courage and pass me."


What most of you bullies do is not to pass, but to tailgate and cut in front and honk and flip the bird. As an old lady who just wants to get from point A to point B, I shouldn't have to be the target of your psychological issues. And by the way, I found a place to live near work so that I can drive less than 100 miles a month, but sometimes I'm forced to drive someplace, and sometimes I need to turn left, which requires being in the left lane, but that doesn't mean you have the right to rage at me and threaten me.
 
2013-05-09 05:50:39 PM  

Huggermugger: another cultural observer: Huggermugger: All of you speed demons who think that you should be allowed to drive at unlimited speed just like on the Autobahn ignore one major thing, which is that they have extremely restrictive laws on the behavior of drivers. In exchange for the right to drive fast, you lose the right to tailgate and intimidate and act like a bully. It appears that many of you enjoy the aggression so much that you'd rather drive like a bully than drive fast.

I bully slow drivers by passing them and then going more slowly than they are.  It's quite satisfying.  "what's wrong, old lady?  Someone going slow? Inconveniencing you? I can relate.  I guess you'll have to muster up your old lady courage and pass me."

What most of you bullies do is not to pass, but to tailgate and cut in front and honk and flip the bird. As an old lady who just wants to get from point A to point B, I shouldn't have to be the target of your psychological issues. And by the way, I found a place to live near work so that I can drive less than 100 miles a month, but sometimes I'm forced to drive someplace, and sometimes I need to turn left, which requires being in the left lane, but that doesn't mean you have the right to rage at me and threaten me.


Old ladies who want to get from A to B don't bother me if they stay off the roads during rush hour.  They're adults, they know people have to get to work.  Go 40 mph in a 55mph zone at 10:00am instead of 7:30am.  You're retired anyway.  I provide a valuable, aggressively-passive educational service.
 
2013-05-09 05:52:53 PM  

skozlaw: fredklein: Really?

Good point. Let me rephrase:

Speeding is virtually never the cause of a crash.


And the fall didn't kill him- it was the sudden stop at the end.

Speeding means you are going further down the road per unit time, and thus have less time to react to road hazards. You don't see that pothole until it's too late to avoid it. So you hit it, pop a tire, and crash. Speeding 'per se' didn't "cause" the crash- the popped tire did. But if you follow the chain back (Crash was caused by popped tire, which was caused by hitting pothole, which was caused by not being able to avoid it in time, because.... you were speeding), you see that speeding was indeed the 'cause' of the accident. If you weren't speeding, the accident would not have happened.

I mean, this is basic Drivers Ed stuff here.
 
2013-05-09 05:53:12 PM  

Huggermugger: What most of you bullies do is not to pass, but to tailgate and cut in front and honk and flip the bird.


STRAW...

*wait for it*

MAN!

Huggermugger: As an old lady who just wants to get from point A to point B, I shouldn't have to be the target of your psychological issues.


You would have nothing to worry about if you operated your vehicle effectively. If you're complaining about people tailgating you in the left lane, get the fark out of the left lane.

Huggermugger: And by the way, I found a place to live near work so that I can drive less than 100 miles a month, but sometimes I'm forced to drive someplace, and sometimes I need to turn left, which requires being in the left lane, but that doesn't mean you have the right to rage at me and threaten me.


If you have to turn left, get in the left lane with your signal on. However, if you are in the left lane and you're not passing someone on your right, get the fark out of the lane. People should not have to be delayed because of your lack of driving knowledge and misplaced sense of entitlement.
 
2013-05-09 05:54:53 PM  

another cultural observer: Huggermugger: another cultural observer: Huggermugger: All of you speed demons who think that you should be allowed to drive at unlimited speed just like on the Autobahn ignore one major thing, which is that they have extremely restrictive laws on the behavior of drivers. In exchange for the right to drive fast, you lose the right to tailgate and intimidate and act like a bully. It appears that many of you enjoy the aggression so much that you'd rather drive like a bully than drive fast.

I bully slow drivers by passing them and then going more slowly than they are.  It's quite satisfying.  "what's wrong, old lady?  Someone going slow? Inconveniencing you? I can relate.  I guess you'll have to muster up your old lady courage and pass me."

What most of you bullies do is not to pass, but to tailgate and cut in front and honk and flip the bird. As an old lady who just wants to get from point A to point B, I shouldn't have to be the target of your psychological issues. And by the way, I found a place to live near work so that I can drive less than 100 miles a month, but sometimes I'm forced to drive someplace, and sometimes I need to turn left, which requires being in the left lane, but that doesn't mean you have the right to rage at me and threaten me.

Old ladies who want to get from A to B don't bother me if they stay off the roads during rush hour.  They're adults, they know people have to get to work.  Go 40 mph in a 55mph zone at 10:00am instead of 7:30am.  You're retired anyway.  I provide a valuable, aggressively-passive educational service.


I'm not retired. I work, and I have just as much right to be on the road. The only time I drive less than the speed limit us when there's congestion on the road. Try telling a judge that you have the right to intimidate me.
 
2013-05-09 05:54:55 PM  

fredklein: I mean, this is basic Drivers Ed stuff here.


Said the troll.

I know you've reeled in some other suckers but I'm not going to treat your trolling crap like it's anything but trolling crap. Just a tip for the future, go a little lighter on the derp right out of the gate and build up to it instead. Makes it too obvious.
 
2013-05-09 05:55:18 PM  

fredklein: you see that speeding was indeed the 'cause' of the accident.


Um, no, not really. Speeding increased the chances of the accident, but did not cause it.

Words mean things.
 
2013-05-09 05:55:20 PM  

another cultural observer: Every time I pass a state trooper and I'm going 6 mph over the limit, and that trooper sees me and continues eating his donut, my speeding is justified.


And every time I commit murder and the cops don't catch me, does that mean killing is justified??

Just because you get away with it doesn't mean it's not against the law.
 
2013-05-09 05:56:13 PM  

un4gvn666: I'm advocating that you don't be a damn zombie and follow any rule just because the morons in D.C. or your state capitol decide it should be a law.


So, anarchist much?
 
2013-05-09 05:58:33 PM  

un4gvn666: speed limits are largely arbitrary, and meant to keep dumber people from injuring themselves or others on the road.


Ah, yes. "The laws are for other folks, not me". 'I'm smarter than everyone else'.

I think that's a sign of being a sociopath. Or is it psychopath? Something like that.
 
2013-05-09 05:58:52 PM  

fredklein: un4gvn666: I'm advocating that you don't be a damn zombie and follow any rule just because the morons in D.C. or your state capitol decide it should be a law.

So, anarchist much?


Wow, skozlaw isn't kidding, you're a seriously pathetic little authoritarian troll. Congrats on pulling me for a bit, but I'm done with you.

Getting back on topic, as a Floridian, I'm sure to bring a lot of smiles to a lot of family and friend's faces when I tell them about this bill. Assholes driving slow in the left lane is the number one complaint you hear from people in this state when it comes to driving on the highways, particularly in Miami, where you can basically wash up on shore and be handed a license without much of a fuss.
 
2013-05-09 06:00:32 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: As a guy who thinks people who drive more than 5 or 10 over the speed limit are dangerous psychotics except in case of extreme emergency, This is an idea I can support.

The left lane is for people going the speed limit or slightly over.  Not for slow driving.


Current posted speed limit in Ohio is 60, so by your logic that makes anyone in Ohio going 65+ a dangerous psychotic with no regards for safety or life. In July when the speed limits are raised to 70 could you please explain to me how someone goes from being a "dangerous psychotic" to someone driving under the speed limit?

I have never understood anyone who believes speed limits have anything to do with safety but if you are right and speed limits truely are for safety Ohio is sending everyone to their death.
 
2013-05-09 06:01:21 PM  
Thread is TL;DR, but on the chance that it hasn't been pointed out yet, California has had a minimum speed on the freeway (all lanes) since forever. (45 when I lived there, way back in the dark days of the national 55 limit) Pretty certain I've been in other states with similar laws.

/Hero tag was missing?
 
2013-05-09 06:01:29 PM  

fredklein: So, like I said, speeding causes MORE crashes, and WORSE crashes.


Let's be honest...

More crashes happen due to more people are on the road now than just a few years ago, and more of these people are bad drivers that simply do not follow the rules correctly.

I've yet to see a single accident that was due to speed, they were all due to bad driving, mechanical problems or road conditions.

Every driver believes that they are good drivers because they haven't crashed yet.... in my life, I'd say that less than ten people I've known would truly qualify as a truly good driver.

The problem isn't speed, it's that during courses, people only learn about the "rules" and nothing about their machines, about reacting, about the fact that you're piloting a death machine (your death or others') and that you need to put that phone down and pay attention to the road and your surroundings.

Too many feel too safe in their metal shell and many believe that after spending their teenage years playing Mario Kart or Need for speed that they're the shiats behind a wheel.  And none have a clue about truly pushing their attention to the road and their surroundings.
 
2013-05-09 06:03:10 PM  

un4gvn666: fredklein: you see that speeding was indeed the 'cause' of the accident.

Um, no, not really. Speeding increased the chances of the accident, but did not cause it.

Words mean things.


If you are speeding too fast to react to road conditions, then you literally CANNOT avoid the pothole. You are going too fast to do so. Your car will be at the pothole in less than your reaction time. Thus, speeding directly led to hitting the pothole (and thus to the popped tire and crash). In this case, there is no 'increased the chances'- it made it a certainty. (Which, I suppose you could argue, was just 'increasing the chances' to 100%)
 
2013-05-09 06:04:06 PM  

cloister the stupid: The All-Powerful Atheismo: As a guy who thinks people who drive more than 5 or 10 over the speed limit are dangerous psychotics except in case of extreme emergency, This is an idea I can support.

The left lane is for people going the speed limit or slightly over.  Not for slow driving.

Current posted speed limit in Ohio is 60, so by your logic that makes anyone in Ohio going 65+ a dangerous psychotic with no regards for safety or life. In July when the speed limits are raised to 70 could you please explain to me how someone goes from being a "dangerous psychotic" to someone driving under the speed limit?

I have never understood anyone who believes speed limits have anything to do with safety but if you are right and speed limits truely are for safety Ohio is sending everyone to their death.


The people that sincerely frighten me are the ones that think laws or religion keep them from doing dangerous and harmful things. These are the people that cannot decide for themselves what is responsible, safe, or smart, they need someone else to do that for them, like traffic laws or religion or w/e the fark.
 
2013-05-09 06:05:50 PM  

un4gvn666: f you're complaining about people tailgating you in the left lane, get the fark out of the left lane.


That's a bit unfair. There are some real dicks who will come up and tailgate you even as you're in the midst of passing other people (and hence can't move over) because you're not passing them fast enough. Or who will come up and tailgate you for a second even though a further left lane is clear.

un4gvn666: If you have to turn left, get in the left lane with your signal on. However, if you are in the left lane and you're not passing someone on your right, get the fark out of the lane.


Also not always a fair criticism. Suppose you're coming up on a left exit in half a mile, or maybe a mile (but you're not quite sure of how far ahead it is because the signage isn't wonderful). It's totally reasonable in that circumstance to move to the left lane at that point, but it's (IMO) way too early to really have your turn signal on. This is especially true if the traffic is heavy -- in that case it can be "difficult" to change lanes, and if you have to slow down to try to get a space because you waited until you're very close to the exit and you'll soon pass it, it becomes even harder.

My philosophy is that if you're around left exits, the "keep rule" right really breaks down pretty badly.
 
2013-05-09 06:06:26 PM  

Gleeman: Thread is TL;DR, but on the chance that it hasn't been pointed out yet, California has had a minimum speed on the freeway (all lanes) since forever. (45 when I lived there, way back in the dark days of the national 55 limit) Pretty certain I've been in other states with similar laws.

/Hero tag was missing?


Florida actually does have a minimum limit on several highways (it's usually 15 mph under the limit). The problem being that you can still be driving ten miles under the limit in the left lane, slowing down everyone behind you, and not even the cops can do anything about it. It's bullshiat, and I'm glad something is being done about it (even though I'm confident it won't be enforced, because cops don't do a farking thing here except catch speeders. For anything else, they're practically worthless).
 
2013-05-09 06:08:54 PM  

evaned: un4gvn666: f you're complaining about people tailgating you in the left lane, get the fark out of the left lane.

That's a bit unfair. There are some real dicks who will come up and tailgate you even as you're in the midst of passing other people (and hence can't move over) because you're not passing them fast enough. Or who will come up and tailgate you for a second even though a further left lane is clear.

un4gvn666: If you have to turn left, get in the left lane with your signal on. However, if you are in the left lane and you're not passing someone on your right, get the fark out of the lane.

Also not always a fair criticism. Suppose you're coming up on a left exit in half a mile, or maybe a mile (but you're not quite sure of how far ahead it is because the signage isn't wonderful). It's totally reasonable in that circumstance to move to the left lane at that point, but it's (IMO) way too early to really have your turn signal on. This is especially true if the traffic is heavy -- in that case it can be "difficult" to change lanes, and if you have to slow down to try to get a space because you waited until you're very close to the exit and you'll soon pass it, it becomes even harder.

My philosophy is that if you're around left exits, the "keep rule" right really breaks down pretty badly.


Left exits are pretty rare in Florida. They usually only occur at intersections of major highways. In Miami, Tampa, Orlando, St. Petersburg (all of which I see from time to time), nearly all exits are on the right.

You're right, the rule isn't universal, but it works in almost all everyday situations.
 
2013-05-09 06:11:10 PM  

imfallen_angel: I've yet to see a single accident that was due to speed, they were all due to bad driving, mechanical problems or road conditions.


Bad driving- like not obeying the rules of the road (such as the speed limit)

Mechanical problems- if your tire pops, you are more likely to crash (as opposed to be able to safely pull over) the faster you are going. The same for most other mechanical problems.

Road conditions- Again, you are motre likely to have a problem the faster you are going. This is why you are supposed to slow down if it's raining, for instance- "In general, cars aquaplane at speeds above 53 mph (72 km/h), where water ponds to a depth of at least 1/10 of an inch (2.5 mm) over a distance of 30 feet (9 meters) or more." (wikipedia) Go slower, no hydroplaning.

Too many feel too safe in their metal shell and many believe that after spending their teenage years playing Mario Kart or Need for speed that they're the shiats behind a wheel. And none have a clue about truly pushing their attention to the road and their surroundings.

Very true.
 
2013-05-09 06:11:10 PM  

skozlaw: Koodz: #18 is how I know you don't know what a zip merge is. You're the problem, not the solution when you move over too early.

I'm not talking about spots where a lane ends, I'm talking about dickheads who use the passing lane of a two-lane roadway to fly past traffic in the right lane that's approaching a turn off and then cut them off at the last minute because they want to turn right off that roadway with them. People who effectively make a right turn onto a ramp from the left turn lane because they didn't feel like following the normal flow of traffic.

But you go be smug if it makes you feel better.


Oh, well, then, fark them.

But fark you too, for your assumption and on general principles.
 
2013-05-09 06:14:15 PM  

lennavan: ZeroCorpse: There's no sense in speeding. You won't get there much faster, thanks to stop signs, signals, traffic, and other factors. You might beat me to the same destination by a minute. Ooooh. I bet that minute really helped you when you were wandering around finding a close parking space while I parked in the back and walked, STILL beating you to the actual destination.

It's 20 miles to work for me, one way.  I work 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year (well probably more than that actually).  That's 10,000 miles.  If I drive 1mph faster average (31mph v. 30mph), I save over 10 hours on the road per year.  I save 50 hours on the road per year if I drive 5mph faster.  I'm not racing you.  I don't care how much faster you got there compared to me.  I care how much faster I got there compared to what I could have gotten there in.

I also park in the back and walk.


You save a little less time than that speeding five over.  And that's only if you're going five over and the original speed limit was 30.  At interstate speeds your savings are negligible and you waste a lot more gas while increasing your stopping distance dramatically.  Thanks for confirming that biologists are bad at math though.
 
2013-05-09 06:16:28 PM  

Dr_Gene: I once knew an old bag senior citizen who intentionally drove slow in the fast/passing lane.
She said it was for safety reasons: "The families of those fast drivers will thank me for ensuring they got home safely after driving at a nice, safe speed"


My grandparents drive max 35mph anywhere.
 
2013-05-09 06:18:30 PM  

imfallen_angel: 5- getting stuck behind the asshat in the standard at a red light in a small hill, where the asshat cannot handle being able to prevent his vehicle from creeping backwards bit by bit as he has no ability with a clutch. (but will assure you of how great a driver they are)


When I taught a friend how to drive a clutch, I included starting up on a hill.  Here's what I taught her.

Put on your hand brake.  If your car rolls back, you need new brakes and can not continue with this exercise.  Now start out as if on a flat road.  When you feel your car wanting to go forward, start releasing the hand brake.  Congratulations.  You now have completed the basics.

Now work on learning how to use the clutch properly so you don't need to do the hand brake trick.  Starting up on a hill is hard for some people and takes some practice.  This trick is meant as a TEMPORARY solution.
 
2013-05-09 06:24:05 PM  
I don't think fredklein is a troll, he always spouts out retarded shiat. I think he's just a moran. Finally ignored him (long overdue)
 
2013-05-09 06:28:22 PM  

Huggermugger: The only time I drive less than the speed limit us when there's congestion on the road.


Let me repeat this since you don't seem to understand the concept.

If you are in the left lane on the freeway, and you are not passing someone, you are in the wrong farking lane.  Move over biatch!

I don't care if you are going the speed limit.  You are still in the wrong farking lane.  Move over biatch.
 
2013-05-09 06:31:13 PM  
Here's another law I'd like, for all of you look-at-me-I'm-a-super-driver-get-out-of-my-way douchebags.

If I'm in the right lane, and I'm going 10 miles an hour over the speed limit, and the left two lanes are empty, and you come up and tailgate me, because you think you own every farking lane on the road, and you demand that I move left so that you can pass me on the right, then you're a jerk and you get a nice hefty ticket.

Here's another one.  If I move from the left lane to the middle lane to pass someone who is going at or below the speed limit, and you come up behind me 25+ miles over the limit, and again you tailgate me, because you're so farking important that the road belongs to you, again, jerk, ticket.

People who imagine themselves to be super drivers do not own the road.  They give me far more headaches than people driving below the speed limit in the left lane.  In fact, I almost never see people driving below the speed limit in the left lane.  But I have jerks tailgating me in the right lane, when I'm going over the limit, all the time.

I think what you super drivers mean is "anybody driving slower than I do in the left lane."
 
2013-05-09 06:37:49 PM  

CrazyCracka420: retarded shiat


Yeah- like obeying the law. Everyone knows that's crazy.
 
2013-05-09 06:38:51 PM  

Kibbler: Here's another law I'd like, for all of you look-at-me-I'm-a-super-driver-get-out-of-my-way douchebags.

If I'm in the right lane, and I'm going 10 miles an hour over the speed limit, and the left two lanes are empty, and you come up and tailgate me, because you think you own every farking lane on the road, and you demand that I move left so that you can pass me on the right, then you're a jerk and you get a nice hefty ticket.

Here's another one.  If I move from the left lane to the middle lane to pass someone who is going at or below the speed limit, and you come up behind me 25+ miles over the limit, and again you tailgate me, because you're so farking important that the road belongs to you, again, jerk, ticket.

People who imagine themselves to be super drivers do not own the road.  They give me far more headaches than people driving below the speed limit in the left lane.  In fact, I almost never see people driving below the speed limit in the left lane.  But I have jerks tailgating me in the right lane, when I'm going over the limit, all the time.

I think what you super drivers mean is "anybody driving slower than I do in the left lane."


None of those things have ever happened.
 
2013-05-09 06:39:38 PM  
I have to confess that I used to speed but don't much any more.  I strictly do the speed limit except on empty, curvy roads where I play a little.

I pass on the left and then get over but, and nobody's going to like this, I don't speed to pass.  My pass takes as long as it takes and as soon as I'm clear I get over.  If it looks like the pass isn't happening because the dick on my right has decided to speed up, I'll slow down and drop behind him.  Tailgate me all you want.  I have insurance and nothing to live for.
 
2013-05-09 06:47:39 PM  

fredklein: Bad driving- like not obeying the rules of the road (such as the speed limit)

Mechanical problems- if your tire pops, you are more likely to crash (as opposed to be able to safely pull over) the faster you are going. The same for most other mechanical problems.

Road conditions- Again, you are motre likely to have a problem the faster you are going. This is why you are supposed to slow down if it's raining, for instance-


I'd go with: for some, the speed limit is MORE than they can handle, hence they need to stay off the passing lane, heck, they should avoid highways as much as possible.

But, the speed limit in many (and I mean MANY) places are exagerated.... the highway that I take is hard to stay at the limit... seriously, it's difficult to do because it's so low and my transmission keeps switching gears because it's a speed where it's ratio of torque against speed is razor on.  No one, including cops, buses, ambulances, city vehicle do NOT respect it.

Mechanical problem, a good driver will know how to prevent a crash, or at least minimize it, regardless of the speed but overall, this one is dumb luck.  With a mechanical issue, going 20 under the limit and you could still end up in an accident.

Road condition... not speed, but driver skills.  A good driver would/should expect that anything can happen and adjust their speed accordingly.  So it's not speed that's the issue as the person could be going well under (let's say winter on icy roads)... even at 40 under the limit, hit a ice patch that the tire doesn't grab right and the car goes skating... I've had it happen to me a few times where black ice and situation made it that the car simply took off... I took my time and recovered as best I could (no accident), but I was going slow, I was being extremely careful, but the snow hid the ice very well and there was no avoiding it.

You said it yourself... "you are supposed to slow down if it's raining ".. so speed is NOT the issue, it's the driver's choice, his competence,  his ability to be honest about his driving abilities.

Honestly, I fell 100x safer with people passing me in a proper way (regardless of their speed), or myself being part of a "group" (but with safe distance between them and myself, of course) going at a fair speed in relation to the road condition (weather and visibility)  than in a crowded road with people switching lanes back and forth, going over the lines, not using signal lights, etc. even if we are all going 20 under the limit.
 
2013-05-09 06:47:41 PM  
I don't get too bent out of shape about slowpokes in the left lane.  My two peeves...folks who stop past the stop line to my left so I have to nose out into traffic to see if it's clear to make a right on red, and folks who slow down for a turn before putting their blinker on. Other than that it's usually a pleasant ride.
 
2013-05-09 07:01:12 PM  

imfallen_angel: do NOT respect it


That should be coming off as "none of them respect the limit"
 
2013-05-09 07:26:10 PM  

OgreMagi: Huggermugger: The only time I drive less than the speed limit us when there's congestion on the road.

Let me repeat this since you don't seem to understand the concept.

If you are in the left lane on the freeway, and you are not passing someone, you are in the wrong farking lane.  Move over biatch!

I don't care if you are going the speed limit.  You are still in the wrong farking lane.  Move over biatch.


Totally straw man. I said nothing on that quote about driving in the left lane. Take a chill pill before you hurt someone. You're a perfect example of a rageaholic.
 
2013-05-09 07:33:04 PM  

serial_crusher: bdm26: 20. Don't block turns to your right when traffic comes to a stop at a light, dipshiats.


That's one of the most annoying things ever...Encounter it everyday on my drive home from work.

There's two lanes going the same direction and some idiot always is in the right lane at the stop light, only car there besides me behind them, with no one in the left lane, and the idiot sits there to go straight when it turns green while I am stuck waiting 7 minutes to make a right turn.

Hmm, I think I misinterpreted him when I read that.  Yes, that is a big pet peeve.

When I'm on my bike I'm obviously not getting into the left lane.  I will usually move over to the left side of the right lane and give you enough room to make your turn.  If you signal, that is.  If you're not signaling, I will stand there and hold you up.
/ I don't want a guy who's going straight to nestle up next to me, then try to pass me on the right after the light turns green.
// Yes, that has actually happened to me before.


The left lane (or, "passing" lane) was just verbosely and grandiosely denied to me because I'm not actively passing someone, so I'm not allowed there.  The right lane is not allowed because you might need to turn.

Which lane on this two-lane road am I supposed to occupy again?

/Oh right, "none of them, this is my road and my road alone, waaah!"
 
2013-05-09 07:58:28 PM  
anyone driving faster than me is a maniac.
anyone driving slower than me is an idiot.

that is all.
 
2013-05-09 08:09:48 PM  
I am going to use this traffic thread to ask people the following question: If there are signs indicating that one of 2 lanes will be ending in 2-3 miles due to construction do you have a legal/moral obligation to merge as soon as possible if traffic is backed up in a traffic jam in the remaining lane? I personally see 2-3 miles of traffic backed up, one empty lane, and think it stupid to not use the perfectly good lane to pass everyone. In my mind one should only merge as soon as possible if traffic was moving fast enough to make last minute merging a danger. Course some people get pissed off that I'm passing them and I even had someone driving half in one lane half in the other to try to keep people like me from passing them in that lane. So, anyone know the legality of using a lane until the last minute when instant merging is not required for safety?.

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2013-05-09 08:12:50 PM  
It's simple. If you aren't passing someone, look to your right. If there's a place there, that's where you're supposed to be. Doesn't matter if you're doing 2 mph or 200mph.

Instead, we have an America of anarchy on the highways, jackasses driving whatever speed in whatever lane. It's inefficient as hell and unnecessary. Now, the center lane is the "get in and tune out lane" where you exist in your own world, fark all anyone else.
 
2013-05-09 08:30:08 PM  

x1v16: I am going to use this traffic thread to ask people the following question: If there are signs indicating that one of 2 lanes will be ending in 2-3 miles due to construction do you have a legal/moral obligation to merge as soon as possible if traffic is backed up in a traffic jam in the remaining lane? I personally see 2-3 miles of traffic backed up, one empty lane, and think it stupid to not use the perfectly good lane to pass everyone. In my mind one should only merge as soon as possible if traffic was moving fast enough to make last minute merging a danger. Course some people get pissed off that I'm passing them and I even had someone driving half in one lane half in the other to try to keep people like me from passing them in that lane. So, anyone know the legality of using a lane until the last minute when instant merging is not required for safety?.

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It's not only legal, it's expected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_merge

Do NOT move over early.  Those people who are pissed off at you for passing them and congratulating themselves for being in the right lane are the source of the traffic jam.
 
2013-05-09 08:38:44 PM  

scottydoesntknow: None of those things have ever happened.


Hahahaha; yeah right. I've had the second one (three-lane road, I'm in the middle lane, someone is to my right, left lane is clear, someone comes up and tailgates me) happen to me  many times.
 
2013-05-09 08:43:46 PM  

Koodz: x1v16: I am going to use this traffic thread to ask people the following question: If there are signs indicating that one of 2 lanes will be ending in 2-3 miles due to construction do you have a legal/moral obligation to merge as soon as possible if traffic is backed up in a traffic jam in the remaining lane? I personally see 2-3 miles of traffic backed up, one empty lane, and think it stupid to not use the perfectly good lane to pass everyone. In my mind one should only merge as soon as possible if traffic was moving fast enough to make last minute merging a danger. Course some people get pissed off that I'm passing them and I even had someone driving half in one lane half in the other to try to keep people like me from passing them in that lane. So, anyone know the legality of using a lane until the last minute when instant merging is not required for safety?.

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It's not only legal, it's expected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_merge

Do NOT move over early.  Those people who are pissed off at you for passing them and congratulating themselves for being in the right lane are the source of the traffic jam.


Which brings up the people who pass everyone else on the shoulder in those situations, or when passing an accident.
 
2013-05-09 08:47:24 PM  

Koodz: x1v16: I am going to use this traffic thread to ask people the following question: If there are signs indicating that one of 2 lanes will be ending in 2-3 miles due to construction do you have a legal/moral obligation to merge as soon as possible if traffic is backed up in a traffic jam in the remaining lane? I personally see 2-3 miles of traffic backed up, one empty lane, and think it stupid to not use the perfectly good lane to pass everyone. In my mind one should only merge as soon as possible if traffic was moving fast enough to make last minute merging a danger. Course some people get pissed off that I'm passing them and I even had someone driving half in one lane half in the other to try to keep people like me from passing them in that lane. So, anyone know the legality of using a lane until the last minute when instant merging is not required for safety?.

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It's not only legal, it's expected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_merge

Do NOT move over early.  Those people who are pissed off at you for passing them and congratulating themselves for being in the right lane are the source of the traffic jam.


Unfortunately, some people that late merge do it in such a hazardous way that they cut off the people in front of them, causing those people to apply the brakes.  Or they get to the very end of their lane and see that they cannot safely merge over while still maintaining speed.  So they stop and hope that there is a gap between cars and quickly accelerate and merge into that lane.  Of course the acceleration usually doesn't match up and this causes the car that is traveling straight to slow down to allow the person in.  Either case, causes a chain reaction that slows down the entire merged lane.
 
2013-05-09 08:52:35 PM  

colon_pow: anyone driving faster than me is a maniac.
anyone driving slower than me is an idiot.

that is all.


+1
 
2013-05-09 09:11:38 PM  
Good farking luck.  Getting the cops to pull anyone over for anything other than speeding (through a speed trap) or suspicion of DUI/DWB is nearly impossible.
 
2013-05-09 09:14:32 PM  

Koodz: x1v16: I am going to use this traffic thread to ask people the following question: If there are signs indicating that one of 2 lanes will be ending in 2-3 miles due to construction do you have a legal/moral obligation to merge as soon as possible if traffic is backed up in a traffic jam in the remaining lane? I personally see 2-3 miles of traffic backed up, one empty lane, and think it stupid to not use the perfectly good lane to pass everyone. In my mind one should only merge as soon as possible if traffic was moving fast enough to make last minute merging a danger. Course some people get pissed off that I'm passing them and I even had someone driving half in one lane half in the other to try to keep people like me from passing them in that lane. So, anyone know the legality of using a lane until the last minute when instant merging is not required for safety?.

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It's not only legal, it's expected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_merge

Do NOT move over early.  Those people who are pissed off at you for passing them and congratulating themselves for being in the right lane are the source of the traffic jam.


Personally, there are 2 separate states that must be treated individually.

State #1: A lane is ending and you need to merge as late as possible using the zipper to make the traffic jam as shallow and wide as possible.  (And this is the bit you're asking about)
State #2: Your exit is backed up and you need to get over as early as possible to clear the road for the rest of us and make the jam as narrow as possible (accepting that the jam is going to be really long).  See my Rengstorff Road rant from up above where a 4 lane freeway is a giant traffic jam because the limitation is the left turn arrow at the exit and this backs up the entire 4 lane freeway.  At some point, Caltrans is going to have to come in and kick their asses into gear to redesign that whole area, because that backs up all the way past Palo Alto.
 
2013-05-09 09:18:12 PM  

x1v16: I am going to use this traffic thread to ask people the following question: If there are signs indicating that one of 2 lanes will be ending in 2-3 miles due to construction do you have a legal/moral obligation to merge as soon as possible if traffic is backed up in a traffic jam in the remaining lane? I personally see 2-3 miles of traffic backed up, one empty lane, and think it stupid to not use the perfectly good lane to pass everyone. In my mind one should only merge as soon as possible if traffic was moving fast enough to make last minute merging a danger. Course some people get pissed off that I'm passing them and I even had someone driving half in one lane half in the other to try to keep people like me from passing them in that lane. So, anyone know the legality of using a lane until the last minute when instant merging is not required for safety?.

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Drive to the merge point and alternate.
 
2013-05-09 09:21:50 PM  

meyerkev: State #2: Your exit is backed up and you need to get over as early as possible to clear the road for the rest of us and make the jam as narrow as possible (accepting that the jam is going to be really long).  See my Rengstorff Road rant from up above where a 4 lane freeway is a giant traffic jam because the limitation is the left turn arrow at the exit and this backs up the entire 4 lane freeway.


I was driving east through Chicago last holiday season, going east on I-90 and going to do the I-290 -> I-294 bypass around the city. The first exit after entering I-290 from 90 was very busy. Traffic backed up onto 290, down the entrance ramp from I-90, and caused 5mph bumper-to-bumper traffic on 3 lanes of I-90 for miles.
 
2013-05-09 10:35:40 PM  

serial_crusher: Sidetrack: I think cars should have a "straight" signal as well as the turn signals.  That way when you're at an intersection you know whether the guy is actually going straight or whether he's some idiot who's just not signaling.


I don't know... I'm against it.
 
2013-05-09 11:51:00 PM  
OH, quit whining and drive.

1. Trucks, at least in CA, have 1/2 mile to complete overtaking any other vehicle. If they can't or won't do it in that space, they can be cited. I've seen it happen.

2. Europeans are a lot more grown up about driving in my opinion - drive on the autostrada or the autobahn and see how laws regarding keeping right to yield to faster traffic are followed. They absolutely will not stand for people camping out in the "fast lane" unless they are doing 160 or so. (Maybe this had to change a bit due to increased traffic, but when I drove over there in the 70s it was very much the case)

3. All the dick waving about fast lanes, slow lanes, passing lanes is mainly a bunch of posturing by morons who, although they may have great eyesight and reflexes,rarely exercise any sort of good judgment while driving. Part of driving, like it or not, is LOOKING OUT FOR THE OTHER GUY. That haviing been said, SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT is the single rule that allows traffic to flow smoothly. Stay cool. Be patient when required. IF not, you will eventually stack it up and hopefully you will not kill anyone important. It's not a goddam game out there.

4. There was a time many years ago, when truckers were known as the "Knights of the Road" - if you broke down, they'd stop and help. That still happens, a little. Nowadays these guys have no time for little things like that. BUT they have 75000 or 80000 pounds and you got 2 tons. They can't handle like you, especially they can't stop on a dime, so try to remember that when your jamming the lane in front of them just in advance of stopped traffic. You may put yourself first in line for an unpleasant surprise. Likewise, passing a big rig on the right (called undertaking) is a dicey move. It's also a ticket on the autostrada.

5. Yes, you're going to get where you're going. Calm the hell down and maybe it won't be your final destination.
 
2013-05-10 12:21:14 AM  

colon_pow: anyone driving faster than me is a maniac.
anyone driving slower than me is an idiot.

that is all.


Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got it George.
 
2013-05-10 12:40:54 AM  
As a guy who sets his cruise control at about 7 under the speed limit and stays to the right, I find driving incredibly relaxing.

I'll see you guys on the commute tomorrow, I'll hit I-75 around 6:30. Be sure to wave hello!
 
2013-05-10 12:41:27 AM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: As a guy who thinks people who drive more than 5 or 10 over the speed limit are dangerous psychotics except in case of extreme emergency, This is an idea I can support.

The left lane is for people going the speed limit or slightly over.  Not for slow driving.


Kindly stay the fark out of Va. or at least out of the left lane.

The Code of Virginia §46.2-804 requires vehicles to be driven in the right lane, except when overtaking and passing other vehicles.
 
2013-05-10 03:37:55 AM  
I like driving at the speed limit in the correct lane -- that would be the RIGHT lane -- because it's a completely legal way to annoy random strangers.
 
2013-05-10 04:15:48 AM  
every day, taking Trop to get to work, motherf*ckers are going 35 in a 45.  every single day, taking Trop home, same f*cking thing.  no reason.  six lane road down the middle of town, day or night, 35 in a 45.  takes 30 minutes to go seven f*cking miles.

f*ck everyone in Vegas.

//if i take the 215, i eat 8 extra miles and it takes the same amount of time getting to and from work, again, day or night.  these twats just need to go the speed limit and everything would be fine.
 
2013-05-10 04:38:59 AM  

bdm26: skozlaw: Well I use Mac/Linux...: is when you are in a line at a stoplight that has just turned green, and people leave like 6 to 8 car lengths in between themselves and the car in front of them

Oh, yea, forgot about that one:

19. The car in front of you isn't going to let out a huge burrito fart. CLOSE THE DAMN GAP, ASSHOLE, YOU'RE WASTING USABLE SPACE.

And also:

20. Don't block turns to your right when traffic comes to a stop at a light, dipshiats.


That's one of the most annoying things ever...Encounter it everyday on my drive home from work.

There's two lanes going the same direction and some idiot always is in the right lane at the stop light, only car there besides me behind them, with no one in the left lane, and the idiot sits there to go straight when it turns green while I am stuck waiting 7 minutes to make a right turn.

Also, why is it every driver I see with one of these is the worst driver on the road, does being handicapped make you unable to use a turn signal, have to drive 20 below the speed limit, and suddenly drift into your lane?:

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You forgot the 'jesus fish' on the back of the car.  And woe to anyone stuck behind a driver with both!
 
2013-05-10 07:11:15 AM  
This is a huge problem in Maryland. If I was a trooper, I'd drive up and down I-70 and hand out tickets to people not actively passing in the left lane.
 
2013-05-10 07:24:06 AM  

imfallen_angel: I'm guess you're a standard driver... and you're probably a great one too (like they all claim to be)


You guessed wrong. I started driving when I was 13 (just short trips between farms in an old generation 1 Dodge Ram on "a paved back road", usually following a wagon full of straw or hay).  I have driven tractors (Everything from a CASE 5130 to a Farmall H) , A combine, ATV's, and a dump truck.

I consider myself a "slightly offensive asshole" driver, in the sense that I piss people off sometimes due to me wanting to pass them because they are going 1 under the speed limit.  My commute is 1.5 hours.  15 mins of that is back roads (hilly, curvy, gravel), 30 is interstate (with lite traffic) and 45 is one lane state route through Amish country.  I pass semis on the state route when I can because It is easy to be stuck behind them going 10-15 under for the entire 45 mins, so whenever I have a chance to pass them I take it (not on double lanes though, I am not stupid).  This also applies to slow drivers and Amish buggies.

Of course, I have also "driven" in Atlanta and LA (for work), if you can call sitting in traffic for hours "driving".

I have got one ticket in my life, and it took me 13 years to get it.  I was cited for going 68 in a 55. Now, I usually just go 5 over, but it was a beautiful fall day, the road is perfect to drive on (lots of curves and hills on a state route going though the Appalachian Foothills, can really get a feel for the curves) so i gout caught up in the moment.

I am by no means a "great" driver.  I consider myself a good driver, but not "safe", at least not in the eyes of the law.  OF course, just because you are a safe driver doesn't mean you are a good one as well.
 
2013-05-10 08:15:36 AM  

Raspil: every day, taking Trop to get to work, motherf*ckers are going 35 in a 45.  every single day, taking Trop home, same f*cking thing.  no reason.  six lane road down the middle of town, day or night, 35 in a 45.  takes 30 minutes to go seven f*cking miles.

f*ck everyone in Vegas.

//if i take the 215, i eat 8 extra miles and it takes the same amount of time getting to and from work, again, day or night.  these twats just need to go the speed limit and everything would be fine.


The other extreme over in Johnson City, TN is 55 in a 40.  The 55 mile an hour road has a clear sign switching over.  Yet they think that whole entire road has always been 55.  I love seeing the red faced, cussing and arm waving, drivers who are irritated with the police for pulling them over.
 
2013-05-10 10:15:41 AM  
Oh man...I love a good right/left lane flamewar.  Too bad I'm late for this one.

I don't normally enjoy watching other people suffer...but on this particular subject I really like seeing the butt-hurt out of every obnoxious a-hole who thinks they are so important that the rest of us should scramble to get our of their way.

I drive in the way that I think is safest for me and my family.  If that means you are ever so slightly inconvenienced...tough shiat.
 
2013-05-10 10:30:39 AM  

Pocket Ninja: the_sidewinder: Difficulty: There is no fast lane

See, this is truly the crux of the problem, and has always been so. The issue here is that generations of Americans have, as a sort of shorthand, referred to the left lane on a highway as "the fast lane." But the problem with that is that the word "fast" is quite subjective. I might, for example, believe that since the speed limit is 55, and I am going 57, I am going "fast" and therefore have every much a right to be in the lane as anyone else. Yes, I would have to be a slack-jawed simpleton to believe this, a halfwit bumpkin of no relative merit or worth, but the fact of the matter is that many American are exactly those things. I mean, have you been to Maryland?

So stop calling it a fast lane. Spend the extra syllable, refer to it as a passing lane. As in the following:

If I am not at this moment actively engaged in the process of passing a vehicle situated on my right-hand side, I should move immediately into the right lane myself and only re-enter the left lane when it becomes again necessary to pass another vehicle. The speed of my passing is irrelevant. How fast I believe I am going is irrelevant. All that matters is the action of passing, nothing else, and then, like a salmon who has just finished spawning and will now rest and die, the act of again moving right. This until it is time to spawn again.

Think of slack-jawed simpletons, the halfwit bumpkins everywhere. The Marylanders struggling to understand difficult concepts like "signs" and "signals." Make things easier, not more complicated. Passing lane. It is more difficult to say, but think of the payoffs.


Sadly, Virginians are the biggest traffic violators in the area.  Car companies can save money by not installing turn or brake lights on cars sold in VA since nobody uses them.
 
2013-05-10 11:04:15 AM  

fredklein: another cultural observer: Every time I pass a state trooper and I'm going 6 mph over the limit, and that trooper sees me and continues eating his donut, my speeding is justified.

And every time I commit murder and the cops don't catch me, does that mean killing is justified??

Just because you get away with it doesn't mean it's not against the law.


If you kill someone in front of law enforcement, and the officers do not arrest you...yes, I'd be willing to bet your homicide is justifiable.  This isn't as hard as you're making it.
 
2013-05-10 02:33:21 PM  

the_sidewinder: Difficulty: There is no fast lane

/Use the left lane to pass, then get the fark out of it


This.

If you're not passing slower traffic then you shouldn't be in the left lane.

And those who think that they are regulating traffic by slowing everyone else down, then you are twats and morons because you are actually making things worse by pissing off those (with the same stunted intellect as you) who would go zipping through traffic around you, which raises the threat level for everyone around them.

And it's usually women hogging the left lane. Why is that, ladies? Can you not read the signs that say "Left lane for passing only"? No... you can't... because you're farking busy putting on make-up and texting to bother with all those stupid signs. Just like the coont I saw yesterday afternoon doing 60 in the left lane on North Mo-Pac (a 75 mph zone) with more eyes on her phone than on the road.

\have i hit all the key bullet points?
\\old people
\\\foreigners
\\\\old female foreigners
 
2013-05-10 05:46:26 PM  
CorruptDB: 9- Drivers who refuse to merge when their lane is ending until the lines force them over.  Once they hit the end of the lane, they just start drifting into the through lane (no signal of course) and force their way in, usually slowing down (the ...

This is actually a rational practice that makes the most efficient use of the available roadway. Would you rather everyone stack up in a single file line two miles long? Traffic studies have shown that if cars are equally distributed between the closing lane, and the continuing lane to the very end, traffic moves more quickly, smoothly and efficiently.

/ I heard it on NPR, it must be true!
// I'll try to find the cite ...
 
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