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2013-05-09 05:29:44 PM  
Lot of whining here. I wasn't thrilled with the original Mass Effect 3 endings, for example, but BioWare fixing them and issuing a free patch turned out very well.
 
2013-05-09 05:35:31 PM  

Wayne 985: Lot of whining here. I wasn't thrilled with the original Mass Effect 3 endings, for example, but BioWare fixing them and issuing a free patch turned out very well.


That's not really the same. As far as functionality is concerned, ME3 was a finished product. Sure the ending sucked, but everything worked right (I will always say I loved 99% of that game, even if the original ending was a letdown).

This is more akin to Aliens:CM or that WarZ ripoff that hit Steam a few months ago. Those were just trash games that were basically beta tests for their studios. And now they're paying the price for it.
 
2013-05-09 05:41:50 PM  
I'm a book beta tester.
 
2013-05-09 05:41:57 PM  

Ned Stark: Harass your friends into proofreading for free like the rest of us.


HA!  So true!  Actually, I did that.  What I changed about the story was a couple things regarding direction and fleshing one character out more so the sequel made sense.  Wasn't really proof reading type stuff because that was done by two Farkers actually :)

That's one of the reason I want to make sure that everyone get the updated version, even those on Nook - because the second one has an entire section dedicated to part of what I added in the first.
 
2013-05-09 05:51:44 PM  
Is this where we pimp our own books since this is a non-story?  http://www.amazon.com/Bedtime-Stories-Insomniac-ebook/dp/B00B0S46LA
 
2013-05-09 05:59:05 PM  
Owning a keyboard and being able to mash the keys does not make you an author.
 
2013-05-09 06:04:14 PM  
Book pimpin':


Murder, sex, magic, and ancient Rome.

A serial killer preys upon those who are truly the most dangerous game...the gladiators. As the killer collects macabre trophies, it falls to the Prefect of the Night Watch to end the madness.

But this is Rome, where blood spills like wine, and dreams...they are all too often nightmares.
 THE NIGHT WATCH
http://www.amazon.com/The-Night-Watch-ebook/dp/B008I4J1RI/ref=sr_1_5 ?s =books&ie=UTF8&qid=1341670114&sr=1-5
 
2013-05-09 06:09:42 PM  
Hero!  This is the greatest generation.
 
2013-05-09 06:24:26 PM  

Rubber Biscuit: Hero!  This is the greatest generation.


I'm beginning to think that tag is for a sandwich....
 
2013-05-09 06:33:56 PM  

Ernie the Fork: I'm beginning to think that tag is for a sandwich....


art.penny-arcade.com
 
2013-05-09 07:05:55 PM  

skilbride: Ernie the Fork: I'm beginning to think that tag is for a sandwich....

[art.penny-arcade.com image 850x425]


Oh...you're good. Very good.
 
2013-05-09 07:09:46 PM  
Book Pimpin' II: Indie Bookaloo

SEEP


Inexplicable psychosis consumes a small town of isolationists, carving out a body-littered, blood-splattered journey into madness. Seep, a gruesome reminder of the fatal nature of life.

Spring, 1927. Without warning, without reason, insanity descends like a cloud of locusts upon a small town in the American Southwest. Neighbor turns on neighbor and family members on one another. The few who are not afflicted battle for their lives as the stain of madness spreads unchecked. Soon, bodies litter the dusty streets and the small town burns. Salvation, it would seem, is only for the dead.

Inspired by the true events that struck the village of Pont-Saint-Esprit, France, over the summer of 1951, when a bizarre and fast-spreading madness suddenly affected hundreds, concluding in seven deaths and leaving fifty more interned to asylums.

http://www.amazon.com/Seep-ebook/dp/B007TM7TX8/ref=tmm_kin_title_0 ?ie= UTF8&qid=1334346778&sr=8-8
 
2013-05-09 07:14:04 PM  

t3knomanser: I just can't believe that self-publishing authors are serious about either writing or publishing.


I've authored or coauthored five books, four of them published by traditional publishing houses. The fifth - the fourth, actually, if you take them in order - I self-published.

Why? Because for that particular book, it made more sense to do it on my own. Relatively small but loyal niche audience and the ability to reach that audience more effectively than a distant publisher, plus more $ for me per copy sold = no-brainer as far as I was concerned.

Rest assured, I was as serious about that one as I was about the other four.
 
2013-05-09 07:22:18 PM  

shoegaze99: t3knomanser: I just can't believe that self-publishing authors are serious about either writing or publishing.

I've authored or coauthored five books, four of them published by traditional publishing houses. The fifth - the fourth, actually, if you take them in order - I self-published.

Why? Because for that particular book, it made more sense to do it on my own. Relatively small but loyal niche audience and the ability to reach that audience more effectively than a distant publisher, plus more $ for me per copy sold = no-brainer as far as I was concerned.

Rest assured, I was as serious about that one as I was about the other four.


Post a link?
 
2013-05-09 07:43:01 PM  
Here's an idea.  Maybe understand a little about plot and structure before you start writing fiction.  You don't instantly become a surgeon just because you're holding a scalpel.  Being a novelist requires a basic knowledge of the craft.  And if you want to be putting out more than circle-jerk fan fic, have some talent to go along with that desire.
 
2013-05-09 07:47:33 PM  
K.B.O. Winston: tl:dr: If you want a lot of money, get a job. If you want some extra money for sitting in your pjs at your computer and being creative, self-publishing isn't a bad way to go.

QFT.

My stuff:  http://www.amazon.com/Fred-Anderson/e/B004WXKURE/
 
2013-05-09 08:05:19 PM  

Otto_E_Rodika: Here's an idea.  Maybe understand a little about plot and structure before you start writing fiction.  You don't instantly become a surgeon just because you're holding a scalpel.  Being a novelist requires a basic knowledge of the craft.  And if you want to be putting out more than circle-jerk fan fic, have some talent to go along with that desire.


Agreed.

One of my novels, Cicada, was named "New and notable" by Kirkus Reviews and later made their "Best Indies of 2012."

Not to brag. Just trying to say that I'm not just throwing words on a page between bong hits. I spent years studying and reading and writing to get my work to a point that I thought it worthy of putting a price tag on it.
 
2013-05-09 08:10:12 PM  
Indie Author?  Never heard of her.  Kind of a cool name for a writer though...
 
2013-05-09 08:13:03 PM  

Fredster: K.B.O. Winston: tl:dr: If you want a lot of money, get a job. If you want some extra money for sitting in your pjs at your computer and being creative, self-publishing isn't a bad way to go.

QFT.

My stuff:  http://www.amazon.com/Fred-Anderson/e/B004WXKURE/


I just tried to buy No Limit for my kindle and was told I bought it in November!

So many books...so little time.

But I'll get to it. Promise.

By the way, on Amazon's description page for the audio book, there are some weird typos around "Daddy" you may want to have them correct. Looks like a formatting thing as the description looks fine on the Kindle page.
 
2013-05-09 08:13:25 PM  

Ernie the Fork: I spent years studying and reading and writing to get my work to a point that I thought it worthy of putting a price tag on it.


I get paid for short semi-fiction (fictionalizations of factual events), but honestly, it's not because I have any love of the craft. It's because goddammit words are in my brain and need to escape. I thank the gods that I have a short attention span, lest I accidentally write an novel. I dread that day, to be honest. I don't even know what I would do with such a thing. I am a callous creator, so I would likely release it into the world without any preparation, where it would starve and fail to thrive.

In all seriousness, I'm not too shabby at writing, but I hate doing it.
 
2013-05-09 08:17:25 PM  
Thanks for letting me know, Ernie the Fork (and I hope you enjoy the book!)
 
2013-05-09 08:32:08 PM  

t3knomanser: Ernie the Fork: I spent years studying and reading and writing to get my work to a point that I thought it worthy of putting a price tag on it.

I get paid for short semi-fiction (fictionalizations of factual events), but honestly, it's not because I have any love of the craft. It's because goddammit words are in my brain and need to escape. I thank the gods that I have a short attention span, lest I accidentally write an novel. I dread that day, to be honest. I don't even know what I would do with such a thing. I am a callous creator, so I would likely release it into the world without any preparation, where it would starve and fail to thrive.

In all seriousness, I'm not too shabby at writing, but I hate doing it.


Somehow, I'm not buying that for a moment. You just don't enjoy ass hours in the chair, I'd guess...and who really does. I bet you do enjoy the creation and satisfaction of getting it right, though, don't you?

And since you get paid to do it, you've probably started seeing it as a chore. Especially so because you have requirements and guidelines...nooses of creativity.

Someday, if you go on to do something completely removed from writing, you may find you can't get enough time at the keys and monitor...or pen and legal pad...and then we'll see what happens!
 
2013-05-09 08:44:11 PM  

t3knomanser: Ernie the Fork: I spent years studying and reading and writing to get my work to a point that I thought it worthy of putting a price tag on it.

I get paid for short semi-fiction (fictionalizations of factual events), but honestly, it's not because I have any love of the craft. It's because goddammit words are in my brain and need to escape. I thank the gods that I have a short attention span, lest I accidentally write an novel. I dread that day, to be honest. I don't even know what I would do with such a thing. I am a callous creator, so I would likely release it into the world without any preparation, where it would starve and fail to thrive.

In all seriousness, I'm not too shabby at writing, but I hate doing it.


Someday you might have a novel in your head and it will need to escape, and you've already set your sales calibrations accordingly if you do self publish.  Even if you're not shabby at writing, the whole editing and promotion aspects are a biatch.
 
2013-05-09 08:51:26 PM  

Ernie the Fork: You just don't enjoy ass hours in the chair, I'd guess...and who really does


Oh, no, I like that part. I'm a programmer. That's basically my life.

Ernie the Fork: I bet you do enjoy the creation and satisfaction of getting it right, though, don't you?


That's the part I like the least. But I'm compelled, by brainmeats I don't understand. I like my short semi-fiction, because I can make words and really just hack my way through it. I take the facts of the story, rearrange them to fit my standard outline, write it once, twice, run it through AutoCrit and post! Bam, I just sold a short story.--

Lumbar Puncture: the whole editing and promotion aspects are a biatch


I think I like editing other people's work more than I like writing my own. I'm not shabby at writing, but I'm pretty good at editing (but I'm terrible at proofreading, so I edit things and add errors in the process, so maybe I'm not so great at editing, actually). But promotion- I have no interest. I'm so glad that every creative endeavor I've ever undertaken has had people willing to take the tiller for those parts.
 
2013-05-09 09:14:09 PM  
Ooh ooh... can I get on this pimping our self-published works?

Here's the link to my author profile. Got a couple books on there I think are right up Farker's alleys.
 
2013-05-09 09:21:40 PM  
Christopher Stasheff nods approvingly.
 
2013-05-09 09:42:08 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: scottydoesntknow: Mangoose: 1) Write a crappy book
2) Let paying readers serve as editors
3) Profit

Hahahaha exactly what I came to say. Her book is just like damn near every video game now that gets released.

All she did was issue a patch.

Came to say this.


YUP
 
2013-05-09 09:45:23 PM  

t3knomanser: I think I like editing other people's work more than I like writing my own. I'm not shabby at writing, but I'm pretty good at editing (but I'm terrible at proofreading, so I edit things and add errors in the process, so maybe I'm not so great at editing, actually). But promotion- I have no interest. I'm so glad that every creative endeavor I've ever undertaken has had people willing to take the tiller for those parts.


I totally get you on this.  I feel the exact same way.  When it's my own work, I'm my own worst critic.  The story of Abandon was a good story how it was, but you get a couple months removed and I start thinking, I could have done this - or maybe that, I could have added this.  The stories inside of me grow and change as I grow and change, which is one of the coolest things about self publishing.  I can do that if I want!

But what I *love* doing is reading other peoples work, and editing THAT plot.  My ex is currently writing a novel (and he's a FAR better writer than I am) and I've torn his plot to hell and back a couple times by now.  His work is definitely better for having me involved, and I wish there was a job out there where all I got to do was read stories and point out ways to make it better.

(One of the coolest things about the second novel though that's making me really enjoy writing it?  I am learning SO much about guns - so I guess I do like writing as long as I'm learning something new.)
 
2013-05-09 10:02:17 PM  

skilbride: His work is definitely better for having me involved, and I wish there was a job out there where all I got to do was read stories and point out ways to make it better.


A friend of mind does that for a living. Works for a small publisher on the East Coast. He's very good at what he does. Needless to say, I'd love to abuse the friendship and ask him to go over my stuff ... but that's his vocation, so I don't ask for freebies*. Last time he went over a book for me (an unpublished novel), I returned the favor by doing similar work for him.


*It would be hypocritical if I did, anyway. Except for very close friends asking for very small jobs, I don't do freebies, either. Work is work. I don't ask my carpenter friend to build me a deck for free, so he shouldn't ask me to edit his book for free.
 
2013-05-09 10:33:24 PM  
My husband managed to quit his job and now writes full time. The key is being a good writer, spending money on good editors and decent cover art and not being a dick to anyone. Today one of his is free and was number one on the Amazon Horror list. I'll play pimp..his stuff http://www.amazon.com/J.-L.-Bryan/e/B003DWKFHK

What's funniest about him now being "A Writer" is people seem almost aggressively disinterested after they ask what he does. 98% of the time, no follow up questions such as "Oh, what does he write?" or "Anything I've read?" People used to at least say "Oh is he an accountant?" When I used to say he worked at an accounting firm.
 
2013-05-10 12:17:21 AM  
What's this? An author changing plot points in a novel after it's written to suit a sequel? What sort of madness is this?

2.bp.blogspot.com

Oh, never mind, carry on then.
 
2013-05-10 12:17:58 AM  
Mangoose


1) Write a crappy book
2) Let paying readers serve as editors
3) Profit

Hasn't that been stephen king's model?
http://www.stephenking.com/error-typo.php

// asshat should have retired when the van hit him. His post-van work has been crappy.
 
2013-05-10 08:52:09 AM  

schubie: My husband managed to quit his job and now writes full time. The key is being a good writer, spending money on good editors and decent cover art and not being a dick to anyone. Today one of his is free and was number one on the Amazon Horror list. I'll play pimp..his stuff http://www.amazon.com/J.-L.-Bryan/e/B003DWKFHK

What's funniest about him now being "A Writer" is people seem almost aggressively disinterested after they ask what he does. 98% of the time, no follow up questions such as "Oh, what does he write?" or "Anything I've read?" People used to at least say "Oh is he an accountant?" When I used to say he worked at an accounting firm.


Just grabbed a copy. Thanks.

Might i ask how he managed to collect so many reviews?
 
2013-05-10 08:54:53 AM  

chase_neal: Indie Author?  Never heard of her.  Kind of a cool name for a writer though...


We named the dog Indie Author.
 
2013-05-10 10:39:50 AM  

RockofAges: schubie:

What's funniest about him now being "A Writer" is people seem almost aggressively disinterested after they ask what he does. 98% of the time, no follow up questions such as "Oh, what does he write?" or "Anything I've read?" People used to at least say "Oh is he an accountant?" When I used to say he worked at an accounting firm.

I'm a writer and this couldn't be more true. Also, this thread is awesome. I promise I'll let you farkers know when my death-metal dystopia drops late summer. Punish the Wicked. Write it down ;).


The other 2% have "an awesome idea for a book, I'll tell you about it, you can write it and then we'll split the profits." My hubs doesn't have a shortage of ideas. Will be looking for "Punish the Wicked."
 
2013-05-10 10:51:32 AM  

Ernie the Fork: schubie: My husband managed to quit his job and now writes full time. The key is being a good writer, spending money on good editors and decent cover art and not being a dick to anyone. Today one of his is free and was number one on the Amazon Horror list. I'll play pimp..his stuff http://www.amazon.com/J.-L.-Bryan/e/B003DWKFHK

What's funniest about him now being "A Writer" is people seem almost aggressively disinterested after they ask what he does. 98% of the time, no follow up questions such as "Oh, what does he write?" or "Anything I've read?" People used to at least say "Oh is he an accountant?" When I used to say he worked at an accounting firm.

Just grabbed a copy. Thanks.

Might i ask how he managed to collect so many reviews?


Many of the books have been out since 2010 so that certainly helps. Also, cultivating relationships with book bloggers. Giving them review copies,  always taking time to answer questions or make appearances on their blogs. Generally not being a dick (he's a great guy, so this comes naturally) He's had a couple of contests for free books that require winners to leave a review but I'd say that's probably less than 5% of the reviews you see. He also has the first book free in all of his series. (like that mythical crack dealer we always heard about in our D.A.R.E programming.) His theory is that some people feel bad for getting something decent for nothing and leave a review b/c of that.
 
2013-05-10 11:45:51 AM  

schubie: My hubs doesn't have a shortage of ideas.


Ideas are easy. I have a database of hundreds of different ideas. I'm more than happy to dig into that DB to give ideas to others.
 
2013-05-10 02:12:07 PM  

schubie: Ernie the Fork: schubie: My husband managed to quit his job and now writes full time. The key is being a good writer, spending money on good editors and decent cover art and not being a dick to anyone. Today one of his is free and was number one on the Amazon Horror list. I'll play pimp..his stuff http://www.amazon.com/J.-L.-Bryan/e/B003DWKFHK

What's funniest about him now being "A Writer" is people seem almost aggressively disinterested after they ask what he does. 98% of the time, no follow up questions such as "Oh, what does he write?" or "Anything I've read?" People used to at least say "Oh is he an accountant?" When I used to say he worked at an accounting firm.

Just grabbed a copy. Thanks.

Might i ask how he managed to collect so many reviews?

Many of the books have been out since 2010 so that certainly helps. Also, cultivating relationships with book bloggers. Giving them review copies,  always taking time to answer questions or make appearances on their blogs. Generally not being a dick (he's a great guy, so this comes naturally) He's had a couple of contests for free books that require winners to leave a review but I'd say that's probably less than 5% of the reviews you see. He also has the first book free in all of his series. (like that mythical crack dealer we always heard about in our D.A.R.E programming.) His theory is that some people feel bad for getting something decent for nothing and leave a review b/c of that.


Sounds like he has a dedicated home team as well. Thanks, schubie. Good advice I'll look to follow.
 
2013-05-10 04:30:41 PM  

Pentaxian: What's this? An author changing plot points in a novel after it's written to suit a sequel? What sort of madness is this?

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 300x301]

Oh, never mind, carry on then.




Bards!
upload.wikimedia.org

/bards
 
2013-05-10 04:44:06 PM  
Ernie the Fork:

Sounds like he has a dedicated home team as well. Thanks, schubie. Good advice I'll look to follow.

Yeah, I really do adore his writing. My favorite is the Songs of Magic Series. Teen garage band steals enchanted fairy instruments. What's not to love about that? You farkers will like his sci-fi and horror. Mr The Fork, thanks so much for checking out his books!
 
2013-05-10 05:04:43 PM  
While we're hear and chatting about our books....

I'm working on a new cover and looking for feedback:

http://jericlaing.com/
 
2013-05-10 09:13:00 PM  

Ernie the Fork: While we're hear and chatting about our books....

I'm working on a new cover and looking for feedback:

http://jericlaing.com/


I think the new one is definitely more eye friendly than the red and black silhouette.  Are there other options (not sure there need be)?
 
2013-05-10 09:50:54 PM  

schubie: Teen garage band steals enchanted fairy instruments. What's not to love about that?


Teenagers and fairies.
 
2013-05-10 09:54:26 PM  

Ernie the Fork: I'm working on a new cover and looking for feedback:


I hate it. It looks like a stock photo, and I suspect that's because it  is a stock photo. The only covers on that page that I have any positive feelings for are  The Crooked Man's Mile and  Scissors and Tweed. They have a visual style that doesn't look copied from something else (despite being obviously derivative, don't ask me how that works, but they're at least visually interesting).
 
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