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(BBC)   Hospitals should never make horrifying surgical mistakes like leaving tools inside of patients or inserting feeding tubes in lungs. They certainly shouldn't happen over 750 times   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 58
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2013-05-09 11:35:32 AM  
Those wacky socialist doctors!
 
2013-05-09 11:35:43 AM  
c'mon hospital 'fecta.

/in'fecta y'all
 
2013-05-09 11:37:27 AM  
I had several surgeries and had to have an MRI because they thought they may have left a sponge in my neck.  They didn't, but I don't know if they found what happened to that sponge.
 
2013-05-09 11:37:34 AM  
See, this is why hospital bills make no sense. You're not factoring in the cost of replacing the equipment that gets left behind.
 
2013-05-09 11:39:58 AM  
Out of how many million procedures?  I'll take the odds.
 
2013-05-09 11:40:01 AM  
Maybe the should stop cutting the funding for NHS.
 
2013-05-09 11:43:11 AM  

FarkedOver: Maybe the should stop cutting the funding for NHS.


Or cut it more, you're less likely to leave your equipment in someone if you know you're never going to get it back.
 
2013-05-09 11:44:39 AM  

Gonz: See, this is why hospital bills make no sense. You're not factoring in the cost of replacing the equipment that gets left behind.


That would take it from 'free'* to 'the cost of a sponge.

*Free = supported by NI
 
2013-05-09 11:44:52 AM  

gopher321: Those wacky socialist doctors!


I wonder how that universal health care thing is working out for them.....
 
2013-05-09 11:45:11 AM  
the solution is more lawyers.
 
2013-05-09 11:46:21 AM  
Not much you can do about the feeding tube thing. You have to put them in blind and it sometimes just goes down the wrong pipe.
 
2013-05-09 11:48:15 AM  

iheartscotch: gopher321: Those wacky socialist doctors!

I wonder how that universal health care thing is working out for them.....


Getting less and less universal by the day. Fully private in 10 years I reckon.
 
2013-05-09 11:48:16 AM  

Feed_The_Walrus: FarkedOver: Maybe the should stop cutting the funding for NHS.

Or cut it more, you're less likely to leave your equipment in someone if you know you're never going to get it back.


Now, that's the sort of results-oriented, market-based solution I like to see!
 
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2013-05-09 11:50:12 AM  

iheartscotch: gopher321: Those wacky socialist doctors!

I wonder how that universal health care thing is working out for them.....


Well, we kill about 200,000 per year with medical mistakes, so apparently pretty well.
 
2013-05-09 11:50:52 AM  
What does the word "mistake" mean?
 
2013-05-09 11:50:57 AM  
And people want a universal health care option. Nice. No thanks, I would rather pay out of pocket and provide an incentive for the doctors to you know, do their job and not leave things inside of me.
 
2013-05-09 11:51:29 AM  
one time a hospital stuck a catheter in me cause i couldn't pee within their allotted time of 10 seconds.
 
2013-05-09 11:51:42 AM  

BAMFinator: I had several surgeries and had to have an MRI because they thought they may have left a sponge in my neck.  They didn't, but I don't know if they found what happened to that sponge.


As someone who actually had a surgical sponge left inside of them after the removal of a peptic ulcer, I got a big kick out of your comment.
 
2013-05-09 11:52:23 AM  
Well if it isn't my friend
Mr. McCraig
With a leg for an arm
And an arm for a leg!
 
2013-05-09 11:52:38 AM  
I refuse to believe it.The NHS is infallible!
 
2013-05-09 11:52:54 AM  

legion_of_doo: the solution is more lawyers.


Actually, more lawsuits in the UK it might help.
 
2013-05-09 11:52:59 AM  

Donald Trumps Hair: And people want a universal health care option. Nice. No thanks, I would rather pay out of pocket and provide an incentive for the doctors to you know, do their job and not leave things inside of me.


If they leave stuff inside you and it's private then you'll probably get charged a rental fee.
 
2013-05-09 11:54:08 AM  

Donald Trumps Hair: And people want a universal health care option. Nice. No thanks, I would rather pay out of pocket and provide an incentive for the doctors to you know, do their job and not leave things inside of me.


Hey, look up "ACO" some time. No one has the power to mandate quality care the way the government does. We've just never made it a priority until now, because politics.
 
2013-05-09 11:54:20 AM  

offmymeds: BAMFinator: I had several surgeries and had to have an MRI because they thought they may have left a sponge in my neck.  They didn't, but I don't know if they found what happened to that sponge.

As someone who actually had a surgical sponge left inside of them after the removal of a perforated peptic ulcer, I got a big kick out of your comment.


FTFM
 
2013-05-09 11:54:56 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: one time a hospital stuck a catheter in me cause i couldn't pee within their allotted time of 10 seconds.


That hit close to home. They tried that shiat with me and I just left AMA, went to another hospital and by the time I got there I had to piss like a racehorse.
 
2013-05-09 11:55:04 AM  
Doctors/nurses/etc aren't perfect. We all make mistakes.
 
2013-05-09 11:57:13 AM  
This is why doctors "practice" medicine. They haven't managed to get it right yet.
 
2013-05-09 11:58:03 AM  

Edsel: Not much you can do about the feeding tube thing. You have to put them in blind and it sometimes just goes down the wrong pipe.


Actually, this is easily avoided by any number of routes:
1.  Intubate 'em during placement.
2.  If they cough when you're placing it, think about that.
3.  Take an x-ray after.
4.  If they cough when you start feeding them, that's probably an issue.
 
2013-05-09 11:59:22 AM  

offmymeds


offmymeds: BAMFinator: I had several surgeries and had to have an MRI because they thought they may have left a sponge in my neck. They didn't, but I don't know if they found what happened to that sponge.

As someone who actually had a surgical sponge left inside of them after the removal of a perforated peptic ulcer, I got a big kick out of your comment.

FTFM


Oh, quit crying. The perforated ones are the easiest to remove! The doctors don't even need to cut; they can just grab the ulcer and pull and it will come right out (since it's perforated).

:-)
 
2013-05-09 11:59:41 AM  
You don't hear about it as much over here since the hospitals usually make the injured party agree to a gag order on the case in order to get a settlement.
 
2013-05-09 11:59:58 AM  
Read this:  http://www.amazon.com/Err-Human-Building-Health-System/dp/0309261740/r ef=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1368115151&sr=1-1&keywords=to+err+is+hum an">http://www.amazon.com/Err-Human-Building-Health-System/dp/0309261 740/r ef=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1368115151&sr=1-1&keywords=to+err+is+hum an
 
2013-05-09 12:00:14 PM  

vpb: iheartscotch: gopher321: Those wacky socialist doctors!

I wonder how that universal health care thing is working out for them.....

Well, we kill about 200,000 per year with medical mistakes, so apparently pretty well.


We are also a much larger country. It would be like comparing a chihuahua to a Great Dane.
 
2013-05-09 12:00:47 PM  
ecx.images-amazon.com
/my kingdom for an edit button
//read this book, it's very enlightening
 
2013-05-09 12:01:46 PM  
They probably should have noticed when the surgeon's resume included "Surgeon Simulator 2013" as part of their experience.
 
2013-05-09 12:03:57 PM  

vpb: iheartscotch: gopher321: Those wacky socialist doctors!

I wonder how that universal health care thing is working out for them.....

Well, we kill about 200,000 per year with medical mistakes, so apparently pretty well.



While the actual number would be quite large simply due to volume, I'd always take those high numbers with a grain of salt as they are estimates.  As someone who has working in everything from inpatient psychiatrics to bleeding edge cardiothoracics across multiple facilities and states, I have a hard time believing that the US is killing 6% of it's population every year with medical errors.  That's like killing the entire military and prison populations every year combined.
 
2013-05-09 12:04:27 PM  

I'm no expert but...: iheartscotch: gopher321: Those wacky socialist doctors!

I wonder how that universal health care thing is working out for them.....

Getting less and less universal by the day. Fully private in 10 years I reckon.


But, but, but ..... I thought that the UK had a perfect health care system.
 
2013-05-09 12:06:19 PM  

calm like a bomb: Edsel: Not much you can do about the feeding tube thing. You have to put them in blind and it sometimes just goes down the wrong pipe.

Actually, this is easily avoided by any number of routes:
1.  Intubate 'em during placement.
2.  If they cough when you're placing it, think about that.
3.  Take an x-ray after.
4.  If they cough when you start feeding them, that's probably an issue.



#3 and #4 do not negate the issue.  Everyone please auscultate an air bolus in the stomach.  X- ray is incidental.
 
2013-05-09 12:06:27 PM  
It's funny how different countries handle health care differently.  I was in a skiing accident in Mexico and had to have a steel plate put in my skull a couple years ago, and have nothing but good things to say about their system.  Well, except that when the Mexican doctor was about to put the plate in, all he would say was 'careful now, this plate's hot'
 
2013-05-09 12:08:08 PM  
Well at least they didn't put the feeding tube up the a**hole, that's a plus.
 
2013-05-09 12:08:15 PM  

BafflerMeal: calm like a bomb: Edsel: Not much you can do about the feeding tube thing. You have to put them in blind and it sometimes just goes down the wrong pipe.

Actually, this is easily avoided by any number of routes:
1.  Intubate 'em during placement.
2.  If they cough when you're placing it, think about that.
3.  Take an x-ray after.
4.  If they cough when you start feeding them, that's probably an issue.


#3 and #4 do not negate the issue.  Everyone please auscultate an air bolus in the stomach.  X- ray is incidental.


Addendum:

If it's a flexible dobhoff that one has to put in with a stylus and past the stomach, get an x-ray for that definitely.
 
2013-05-09 12:08:43 PM  
And they used the machine that goes BING.
 
2013-05-09 12:10:38 PM  

BafflerMeal: vpb: iheartscotch: gopher321: Those wacky socialist doctors!

I wonder how that universal health care thing is working out for them.....

Well, we kill about 200,000 per year with medical mistakes, so apparently pretty well.


While the actual number would be quite large simply due to volume, I'd always take those high numbers with a grain of salt as they are estimates.  As someone who has working in everything from inpatient psychiatrics to bleeding edge cardiothoracics across multiple facilities and states, I have a hard time believing that the US is killing 6% of it's population every year with medical errors.  That's like killing the entire military and prison populations every year combined.


I hope none of your roles involved maths.
 
2013-05-09 12:11:15 PM  

pjbreeze: And they used the machine that goes BING.



And see?  This is what's wrong with healthcare today.  Instead of using the machine that goes 'bing', they should have been using the contraption that goes 'ping'.  It's really a translation error on page four of the folded instructions.
 
2013-05-09 12:13:47 PM  

And I've just finished my milk: BafflerMeal: vpb: iheartscotch: gopher321: Those wacky socialist doctors!

I wonder how that universal health care thing is working out for them.....

Well, we kill about 200,000 per year with medical mistakes, so apparently pretty well.


While the actual number would be quite large simply due to volume, I'd always take those high numbers with a grain of salt as they are estimates.  As someone who has working in everything from inpatient psychiatrics to bleeding edge cardiothoracics across multiple facilities and states, I have a hard time believing that the US is killing 6% of it's population every year with medical errors.  That's like killing the entire military and prison populations every year combined.

I hope none of your roles involved maths.



Good point, more coffee.  Stupid decimal places.  I'll totally be adjusting your epinephrine drip right though.  Totally.
 
2013-05-09 12:15:29 PM  

TNel: Out of how many million procedures?  I'll take the odds.


After doing "Wrongful Death" legal video's and the like, for the better part of four years, you'd re-think those odds.
Doctors are humans- they drink heavily, do drugs, don't pay attention, are dumb beyond belief, callous to others needs, greedy, rapacious, show up for work stoned or stone drunk or even just plain inept.

I worked freelance doing the videos and was working 3-5 days a week in an area that's supposed to have exceptional health care compared to the rest of the US and this is the 48th largest state.

Not good odds at all.  You do better to bet against the house.  Never forget the AMA doesn't care about you-you don't pay dues.  They're busy protecting doctors and their retirement funds.
 
2013-05-09 12:19:46 PM  
As someone who spent a long time working in health care and whose father in law is a surgical tech, I really can't get my head around how many people have to Fark up in order for things to be left in a patient like that. I don't know what kind of hours are worked over there, but I think the standard 12 hour shifts hospital staff work in the US contributes to our high error rate. I'm exhausted after 8.
 
2013-05-09 12:19:52 PM  

And I've just finished my milk: BafflerMeal: vpb: iheartscotch: gopher321: Those wacky socialist doctors!

I wonder how that universal health care thing is working out for them.....

Well, we kill about 200,000 per year with medical mistakes, so apparently pretty well.


While the actual number would be quite large simply due to volume, I'd always take those high numbers with a grain of salt as they are estimates.  As someone who has working in everything from inpatient psychiatrics to bleeding edge cardiothoracics across multiple facilities and states, I have a hard time believing that the US is killing 6% of it's population every year with medical errors.  That's like killing the entire military and prison populations every year combined.

I hope none of your roles involved maths.


... or writing grammatically correct sentences.
 
2013-05-09 12:23:47 PM  

BafflerMeal: calm like a bomb: Edsel: Not much you can do about the feeding tube thing. You have to put them in blind and it sometimes just goes down the wrong pipe.

Actually, this is easily avoided by any number of routes:
1.  Intubate 'em during placement.
2.  If they cough when you're placing it, think about that.
3.  Take an x-ray after.
4.  If they cough when you start feeding them, that's probably an issue.


#3 and #4 do not negate the issue.  Everyone please auscultate an air bolus in the stomach.  X- ray is incidental.


What do you mean by incidental?
 
2013-05-09 12:35:18 PM  

iheartscotch: vpb: iheartscotch: gopher321: Those wacky socialist doctors!

I wonder how that universal health care thing is working out for them.....

Well, we kill about 200,000 per year with medical mistakes, so apparently pretty well.

We are also a much larger country. It would be like comparing a chihuahua to a Great Dane.


Yes, because it's totally impossible to scale up for relative population sizes. What you can't really compare is that the NHS figure of 750 (over four years) covers all preventable mistakes, not just the fatal ones as per the US figure. The US figure would no doubt be higher still if you widened the parameters to match.
 
2013-05-09 12:35:19 PM  

toraque: It's funny how different countries handle health care differently.  I was in a skiing accident in Mexico and had to have a steel plate put in my skull a couple years ago, and have nothing but good things to say about their system.  Well, except that when the Mexican doctor was about to put the plate in, all he would say was 'careful now, this plate's hot'


I have a buddy who has a plate in his head too,  Every time his wife revs up the microwave, he pisses his pants and forgets who he is for about half an hour or so.
 
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