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(CBS News)   Castro: it's not my fault I kidnapped those ladies. I was sexually abused as a kid. It's not as if people have something called free will or anything   (cbsnews.com) divider line 28
    More: Followup, Ariel Castro, Gina DeJesus, law-enforcement sources  
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2013-05-09 12:31:26 PM
5 votes:
He also said it was their own fault because they got in the car of a stranger.

I can't believe his brothers aren't being charged with anything. They all lived there didn't they? They never asked him "Hey bro, what's with all that screaming coming from the basement and who are these women who keep coming up out of the basement?". At the very least they are accomplices.
2013-05-09 12:33:49 PM
4 votes:
I personally believe that these guys are hundreds of times worse than the Boston bombers.
2013-05-09 12:50:26 PM
2 votes:

Jument: spiderpaz: Walker: He also said it was their own fault because they got in the car of a stranger.

I can't believe his brothers aren't being charged with anything. They all lived there didn't they? They never asked him "Hey bro, what's with all that screaming coming from the basement and who are these women who keep coming up out of the basement?". At the very least they are accomplices.

That and the police reports of three men with naked women on leashes.  And the 3:3 man:woman ratio doesn't seem like a coincidence.  We'll find out soon enough when the victim's report comes out if they name the brothers as being present at any time.

I had that same thought. I can't imagine why they would possible release them so quickly with so many circumstances strongly suggesting they were in on it. OTOH I probably don't want to know. The details are already starting to make me ill.


No. Turns out the brothers both say they've never been inside the house, and their stories are corroborated by the victims, who are reported to have told police they never heard or saw anyone else during their time in the house. The brothers "look" like scum bags, and so when the police went to the mother's house to arrest Ariel they rounded up the two brothers, too, since they happened to be there. Guilt by association, as it were, but there is apparently NO evidence they were in on it. Time will tell, of course.
2013-05-09 04:35:51 PM
1 votes:
Some people get this whole thing ass backwards, don't they?

If a violent pervert claims that he was unable to control himself from attacking women or children because he was abused as a child, that is NOT a reason to go lightly on him and on other criminals with similar backgrounds. Rather, it is a clear sign that the authorities ignore so often it makes me mad that society needs more and better counselling services for victims of child sexual abuse while the victims are still young.

By putting greater resources into healing these abused children's souls we lessen the chances that they will grow up to become an Ariel Castro or Ted Bundy. Maybe if Ariel Castro and his brothers had gotten sufficient counselling and support as children they would not have turned out this way. At least we can lessen the chances of this happening for the next generation of child victims.
2013-05-09 01:59:41 PM
1 votes:
devilEther:

Ariel?  How are you getting on the internet from your jail cell?
2013-05-09 01:54:47 PM
1 votes:
Freewill: a delusion of meatbots.
2013-05-09 01:53:34 PM
1 votes:

devilEther: AngryJailhouseFistfark: So you think it started out as a happy polygamy situation and over time the sister-wives grew jealous of one another. Angry with Castro that they had to share his love, they concocted this story and ratted him out.

This is the most plausible explanation I've heard yet and should be given due consideration. It would be prudent in the interest of justice to keep these ladies separated and to interrogate them separately. I wouldn't be surprised if investigators discover many glaring contradictions in their individual accounts of what exactly happened in that house. We shouldn't jump to the conclusion that these ladies are wholly innocent victims in this thing.


Because the previous 10 years wasn't enough time to come up with a story for why they were there?

I can't tell you how often I hear about multiple young women suddenly abandoning their lives to shack up with a creepy old guy in Cleveland and never leave the house or contact their families again.
2013-05-09 01:42:54 PM
1 votes:

AngryJailhouseFistfark: So you think it started out as a happy polygamy situation and over time the sister-wives grew jealous of one another. Angry with Castro that they had to share his love, they concocted this story and ratted him out.


This is the most plausible explanation I've heard yet and should be given due consideration. It would be prudent in the interest of justice to keep these ladies separated and to interrogate them separately. I wouldn't be surprised if investigators discover many glaring contradictions in their individual accounts of what exactly happened in that house. We shouldn't jump to the conclusion that these ladies are wholly innocent victims in this thing.
2013-05-09 01:14:10 PM
1 votes:

louiedog: Ooba Tooba: And notice the one girl never got pregnant. She was the smart one. She willed those sperm to neverland, or jumped up and down afterwards, so the one who got pregnant was clearly at fault. She wanted it to happen. She should bear this gentleman's punishment. The other girl is a hero, not that Chappelle like character eating all that McDiabetes.

From what I understand from doctors, that's really rare.  If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.


God, that still makes me farking seethe just reading it. Ugh.
2013-05-09 01:12:43 PM
1 votes:

Jument: Stone Meadow: Turns out the brothers both say they've never been inside the house, and their stories are corroborated by the victims, who are reported to have told police they never heard or saw anyone else during their time in the house. The brothers "look" like scum bags, and so when the police went to the mother's house to arrest Ariel they rounded up the two brothers, too, since they happened to be there. Guilt by association, as it were, but there is apparently NO evidence they were in on it. Time will tell, of course.

Huh. I guess that makes sense. Kind of weird that nobody, even family, had ever been inside this guy's house.


The brothers' story was also corroborated by cousins and neighbors, who all say Ariel never allowed anyone inside the house, with two known exceptions: a cousin was allowed into the living room (just inside the front door) in the mid-90's. He described what he saw of the house as a hovel, with a makeshift "tent" in the living room where Ariel slept in order to minimize heating costs.

The other known entry was in 2004 when delivery men wrestled a new kitchen stove into the living room, where he stopped them, saying he would take it the rest of the way. In each case, he excused his behavior by saying he was embarrassed by his poor housekeeping.

Numerous neighbors commented to police and the press that while Ariel would gladly attend neighborhood bbq's and other functions, he never once in the 18 years he lived there hosted anything on his property. Neighbors remarked that it seemed 'strange', but dismissed it as he was a quiet neighbor who never made trouble.

/got all this from reading too many internet articles to count in recent days
2013-05-09 01:04:37 PM
1 votes:
Meh. This guy will be murdered in jail (ala Jeffrey Dahmer). Whatever posturing he wants to spin during his march toward the inevitable is entirely incidental.
2013-05-09 01:02:20 PM
1 votes:

cman: There is a serious problem with that.... the girls have said that his brothers were not involved.
Once again, the brothers are not involved.

And, the girls never said that such happened to them. I said that the girls never said such happened to them.

Please stop with the bullshiat reporting.


If the girls knew about the brothers than the brothers knew about them. The imprisoned women probably told the police that the two brothers weren't responsible for the raping, beatings, and imprisonment - but if they KNEW about the crime and did nothing they have probably broken the law. Any form of support between the brothers and the captor could be used to prosecute them as accessories.
Remember, these women have been held for a long time. Their judgement about what crimes were committed probably aren't going to be coherent. They just need to explain everything they remember happening.

Remember, plenty of concentration camp guards that were never linked to any specific crimes were still prosecuted for their role. I have a hard time believing that the brothers played no role at all if they knew about the imprisoned girls.
2013-05-09 01:00:17 PM
1 votes:

Ooba Tooba: And notice the one girl never got pregnant. She was the smart one. She willed those sperm to neverland, or jumped up and down afterwards, so the one who got pregnant was clearly at fault. She wanted it to happen. She should bear this gentleman's punishment. The other girl is a hero, not that Chappelle like character eating all that McDiabetes.


From what I understand from doctors, that's really rare.  If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
2013-05-09 12:51:49 PM
1 votes:
THEN IT'S HIS OWN DAMN FAULT THAT HE'S NOW IN JAIL AND SOON TO HAVE HIS ASS POUNDED RAW BY TWENTY BLACK CONVICTS.
2013-05-09 12:49:35 PM
1 votes:

NutWrench: WhoGAS: Except there are no reports of naked women outside the interviewee's fantasy.

Not sure is serious but from the USA Today article:

Elsie Cintron, who lives three houses away, said her daughter once saw a naked woman crawling on her hands and knees in the backyard several years ago and called police. "But they didn't take it seriously," she said.

Israel Lugo said he, his family and neighbors called police three times between 2011 and 2012 after seeing disturbing things at the home of Ariel Castro. Lugo lives two houses down from Castro and grew suspicious after neighbors reported seeing naked women on leashes crawling on all fours behind Castro's house.

A third call came from neighborhood women who lived in an apartment building. Those women told Lugo they called police because they saw three young girls crawling on all fours naked with dog leashes around their necks. Three men were controlling them in the backyard. The women told Lugo they waited two hours but police never responded to the calls.


Completely serious.

Look at the police records:

1 call for violence and 1 call for a kid being left on a school bus.

Without any evidence, those are just stories...not fact.  I'm not disputing they weren't seen, I'm disputing there were ever any police reports.

I'm not defending the police at all because if there was a profit motive for investigating harder, they would have.  As it is, unless profit is involved in some way or political clout, then the police couldn't care less.

But let's stick to facts and not emotions and rumor.
2013-05-09 12:49:26 PM
1 votes:
Can we trade the Castro brothers for  Kenneth Bae? That's 3 labor camp workers for one.
2013-05-09 12:48:38 PM
1 votes:

NutWrench: WhoGAS: Except there are no reports of naked women outside the interviewee's fantasy.

Not sure is serious but from the USA Today article:

Elsie Cintron, who lives three houses away, said her daughter once saw a naked woman crawling on her hands and knees in the backyard several years ago and called police. "But they didn't take it seriously," she said.

Israel Lugo said he, his family and neighbors called police three times between 2011 and 2012 after seeing disturbing things at the home of Ariel Castro. Lugo lives two houses down from Castro and grew suspicious after neighbors reported seeing naked women on leashes crawling on all fours behind Castro's house.

A third call came from neighborhood women who lived in an apartment building. Those women told Lugo they called police because they saw three young girls crawling on all fours naked with dog leashes around their necks. Three men were controlling them in the backyard. The women told Lugo they waited two hours but police never responded to the calls.


There is a serious problem with that.... the girls have said that his brothers were not involved.
Once again, the brothers are not involved.

And, the girls never said that such happened to them. I said that the girls never said such happened to them.

Please stop with the bullshiat reporting.
2013-05-09 12:47:08 PM
1 votes:
Walker

I can't believe his brothers aren't being charged with anything. They all lived there didn't they? They never asked him "Hey bro, what's with all that screaming coming from the basement and who are these women who keep coming up out of the basement?". At the very least they are accomplices.


I was surprised when I heard that on the news. I'm guessing they rolled on the brother in exchange for getting their charges dropped/reduced and/or they may know what happened the the fourth girl.
2013-05-09 12:38:04 PM
1 votes:

PapaChester: I personally believe that these guys are hundreds of times worse than the Boston bombers.


It takes a certain kind of evil to hold people for that long.  It's probably a lot of work to keep three people locked up for so long without dying.
2013-05-09 12:37:24 PM
1 votes:

A Leaf in Fall: There's decent enough scientific evidence that no one actually has free will, and that time as we experience it has always existed and will always exist, and that we are just perceiving our way through it.


Oh shut the fark up.
2013-05-09 12:37:23 PM
1 votes:
Statistical evidence suggests that the incidence of past childhood abuse among felons rose sharply around the time courts began acknowledging it as a mitigating factor.
2013-05-09 12:36:58 PM
1 votes:
... and when I moved in here, there were all these chains and ropes in the basement. I asked the real estate lady "What are these for?" and she said "These are for your sex slaves. City codes say you are allowed to have four at a time. No more." So I figured I was violating the law by not having any.
2013-05-09 12:36:02 PM
1 votes:

NutWrench: cman: Whomever invented the "ITS SOCIETIES FAULT THAT I..." needs to be beaten with a dildo.

Now all of this stupid bullshiat that children have been so crippled by has grown out of something called the Self Esteem Movement. The Self Esteem Movement began in 1970, and I'm happy to say it has been a complete failure, because studies have repeatedly shown that having high self esteem does not improve grades, does not improve career achievement, it does not even lower the use of alcohol, and it most certainly does not reduce the incidence of violence, because as it turns out, extremely violent, aggressive people think very highly of themselves! Imagine that: sociopaths have high self esteem. Who woulda thunk? I love it when this happens, I love when these politically correct ideas crash and burn and end up in the shiat house. -- George Carlin


Such a loss.
2013-05-09 12:33:39 PM
1 votes:

Walker: He also said it was their own fault because they got in the car of a stranger.

I can't believe his brothers aren't being charged with anything. They all lived there didn't they? They never asked him "Hey bro, what's with all that screaming coming from the basement and who are these women who keep coming up out of the basement?". At the very least they are accomplices.


That and the police reports of three men with naked women on leashes.  And the 3:3 man:woman ratio doesn't seem like a coincidence.  We'll find out soon enough when the victim's report comes out if they name the brothers as being present at any time.
2013-05-09 12:32:16 PM
1 votes:

cman: These people aint robots

They do act on their own feelings.

Whomever invented the "ITS SOCIETIES FAULT THAT I..." needs to be beaten with a dildo.


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2013-05-09 12:31:29 PM
1 votes:
Oh well then you're free to go.  Sorry, we didn't know.
2013-05-09 11:53:57 AM
1 votes:

cman: Whomever invented the "ITS SOCIETIES FAULT THAT I..." needs to be beaten with a dildo.


Now all of this stupid bullshiat that children have been so crippled by has grown out of something called the Self Esteem Movement. The Self Esteem Movement began in 1970, and I'm happy to say it has been a complete failure, because studies have repeatedly shown that having high self esteem does not improve grades, does not improve career achievement, it does not even lower the use of alcohol, and it most certainly does not reduce the incidence of violence, because as it turns out, extremely violent, aggressive people think very highly of themselves! Imagine that: sociopaths have high self esteem. Who woulda thunk? I love it when this happens, I love when these politically correct ideas crash and burn and end up in the shiat house. -- George Carlin
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-09 11:34:06 AM
1 votes:
I think people get "motive" and "excuse" confused.
 
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