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2013-05-09 12:54:58 PM  

Stone Meadow: Jument: spiderpaz: Walker: He also said it was their own fault because they got in the car of a stranger.

I can't believe his brothers aren't being charged with anything. They all lived there didn't they? They never asked him "Hey bro, what's with all that screaming coming from the basement and who are these women who keep coming up out of the basement?". At the very least they are accomplices.

That and the police reports of three men with naked women on leashes.  And the 3:3 man:woman ratio doesn't seem like a coincidence.  We'll find out soon enough when the victim's report comes out if they name the brothers as being present at any time.

I had that same thought. I can't imagine why they would possible release them so quickly with so many circumstances strongly suggesting they were in on it. OTOH I probably don't want to know. The details are already starting to make me ill.

No. Turns out the brothers both say they've never been inside the house, and their stories are corroborated by the victims, who are reported to have told police they never heard or saw anyone else during their time in the house. The brothers "look" like scum bags, and so when the police went to the mother's house to arrest Ariel they rounded up the two brothers, too, since they happened to be there. Guilt by association, as it were, but there is apparently NO evidence they were in on it. Time will tell, of course.


Huh. I guess that makes sense. Kind of weird that nobody, even family, had ever been inside this guy's house.
 
2013-05-09 12:55:32 PM  

TV's Vinnie: THEN IT'S HIS OWN DAMN FAULT THAT HE'S NOW IN JAIL AND SOON TO HAVE HIS ASS POUNDED RAW BY TWENTY BLACK CONVICTS.


why no love for the latinos and skinheads?
 
2013-05-09 12:58:47 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: cman: NutWrench: WhoGAS: Except there are no reports of naked women outside the interviewee's fantasy.

Not sure is serious but from the USA Today article:

Elsie Cintron, who lives three houses away, said her daughter once saw a naked woman crawling on her hands and knees in the backyard several years ago and called police. "But they didn't take it seriously," she said.

Israel Lugo said he, his family and neighbors called police three times between 2011 and 2012 after seeing disturbing things at the home of Ariel Castro. Lugo lives two houses down from Castro and grew suspicious after neighbors reported seeing naked women on leashes crawling on all fours behind Castro's house.

A third call came from neighborhood women who lived in an apartment building. Those women told Lugo they called police because they saw three young girls crawling on all fours naked with dog leashes around their necks. Three men were controlling them in the backyard. The women told Lugo they waited two hours but police never responded to the calls.

There is a serious problem with that.... the girls have said that his brothers were not involved.
Once again, the brothers are not involved.

And, the girls never said that such happened to them. I said that the girls never said such happened to them.

Please stop with the bullshiat reporting.

The girls are filthy liars


Repressed memories.

They will remember, then the other two will be held accountable for their actions.
 
2013-05-09 12:59:36 PM  

Truncks1: Walker: He also said it was their own fault because they got in the car of a stranger.

I can't believe his brothers aren't being charged with anything. They all lived there didn't they? They never asked him "Hey bro, what's with all that screaming coming from the basement and who are these women who keep coming up out of the basement?". At the very least they are accomplices.

I dont understand why they let the brothers go either. It makes no sense. The only information I've seen about it just states that they let them go


I would imagine this could change as they get more info from the girls.
 
2013-05-09 01:00:17 PM  

Ooba Tooba: And notice the one girl never got pregnant. She was the smart one. She willed those sperm to neverland, or jumped up and down afterwards, so the one who got pregnant was clearly at fault. She wanted it to happen. She should bear this gentleman's punishment. The other girl is a hero, not that Chappelle like character eating all that McDiabetes.


From what I understand from doctors, that's really rare.  If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
 
2013-05-09 01:02:20 PM  

cman: There is a serious problem with that.... the girls have said that his brothers were not involved.
Once again, the brothers are not involved.

And, the girls never said that such happened to them. I said that the girls never said such happened to them.

Please stop with the bullshiat reporting.


If the girls knew about the brothers than the brothers knew about them. The imprisoned women probably told the police that the two brothers weren't responsible for the raping, beatings, and imprisonment - but if they KNEW about the crime and did nothing they have probably broken the law. Any form of support between the brothers and the captor could be used to prosecute them as accessories.
Remember, these women have been held for a long time. Their judgement about what crimes were committed probably aren't going to be coherent. They just need to explain everything they remember happening.

Remember, plenty of concentration camp guards that were never linked to any specific crimes were still prosecuted for their role. I have a hard time believing that the brothers played no role at all if they knew about the imprisoned girls.
 
2013-05-09 01:04:37 PM  
Meh. This guy will be murdered in jail (ala Jeffrey Dahmer). Whatever posturing he wants to spin during his march toward the inevitable is entirely incidental.
 
2013-05-09 01:04:42 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: cman: NutWrench: WhoGAS: Except there are no reports of naked women outside the interviewee's fantasy.

Not sure is serious but from the USA Today article:

Elsie Cintron, who lives three houses away, said her daughter once saw a naked woman crawling on her hands and knees in the backyard several years ago and called police. "But they didn't take it seriously," she said.

Israel Lugo said he, his family and neighbors called police three times between 2011 and 2012 after seeing disturbing things at the home of Ariel Castro. Lugo lives two houses down from Castro and grew suspicious after neighbors reported seeing naked women on leashes crawling on all fours behind Castro's house.

A third call came from neighborhood women who lived in an apartment building. Those women told Lugo they called police because they saw three young girls crawling on all fours naked with dog leashes around their necks. Three men were controlling them in the backyard. The women told Lugo they waited two hours but police never responded to the calls.

There is a serious problem with that.... the girls have said that his brothers were not involved.
Once again, the brothers are not involved.

And, the girls never said that such happened to them. I said that the girls never said such happened to them.

Please stop with the bullshiat reporting.

The girls are filthy liars


Brainwashed, blindfolded, traumatized and scared.
 
2013-05-09 01:05:07 PM  
The 3 girls to 1 guy ratio can easily be explained.  Also relatives usually don't have sex in front of each other.

The guy probably initially raped all the girls together.  Then he picked one to rape nonstop until she became pregnant.  A few months down the line she isn't easy to rape anymore so he moves on to the next girl.  Rapes her nonstop until she's pregnant then moves on to the last girl.  That way he can stagger it so he's raping a girl that isn't pregnant.  See?
 
2013-05-09 01:07:48 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Oh, no doubt the man would suggest there were mitigating circumstances, that he had an unhappy childhood or was driven by Compulsive Well-Poisoning Disorder. But I have a compulsion to behead cowardly murderers. - Terry Pratchett, "Jingo"


it is so sad that pratchett has oldtimers disease and is starting to lose it ... so sad


bifford: Statistical evidence suggests that the incidence of past childhood abuse among felons rose sharply around the time courts began acknowledging it as a mitigating factor.


LOL
or it could be that we are starting to recognize and report abuse more?
Do I believe that this guy was abused? hell yes.
Should he rot in prison for the rest of his life? hell yes.
Should his brothers rot with him? hell yes.

FFS, this guy went outside with his daughter from one of his raped sex-slaves. When your brother shows up with a baby you ask, WHO'S the momma and WHERE is she?

So how many more missing people are chained in a basement somewhere?
sigh
 
2013-05-09 01:09:05 PM  

FullMetalPanda: The 3 girls to 1 guy ratio can easily be explained.  Also relatives usually don't have sex in front of each other.

The guy probably initially raped all the girls together.  Then he picked one to rape nonstop until she became pregnant.  A few months down the line she isn't easy to rape anymore so he moves on to the next girl.  Rapes her nonstop until she's pregnant then moves on to the last girl.  That way he can stagger it so he's raping a girl that isn't pregnant.  See?


You've thought about this entirely too much for my liking

/i keed
 
2013-05-09 01:10:19 PM  

Ooba Tooba: And notice the one girl never got pregnant. She was the smart one.


Clearly her body was able to shut that whole thing down.
 
2013-05-09 01:10:39 PM  
I hear Poppy Harlow is inconsolable over the fact that Castro's promising future is falling apart.
 
2013-05-09 01:10:41 PM  
Ahhh...the old "it's a cultural misunderstanding and society is to blame".
 
2013-05-09 01:11:46 PM  
"Free will is an illusion" and "society should hold people accountable for their actions" aren't necessarily mutually exclusive statements, subby.
 
2013-05-09 01:11:51 PM  

madgonad: cman: There is a serious problem with that.... the girls have said that his brothers were not involved.
Once again, the brothers are not involved.

And, the girls never said that such happened to them. I said that the girls never said such happened to them.

Please stop with the bullshiat reporting.

If the girls knew about the brothers than the brothers knew about them. The imprisoned women probably told the police that the two brothers weren't responsible for the raping, beatings, and imprisonment - but if they KNEW about the crime and did nothing they have probably broken the law. Any form of support between the brothers and the captor could be used to prosecute them as accessories.
Remember, these women have been held for a long time. Their judgement about what crimes were committed probably aren't going to be coherent. They just need to explain everything they remember happening.

Remember, plenty of concentration camp guards that were never linked to any specific crimes were still prosecuted for their role. I have a hard time believing that the brothers played no role at all if they knew about the imprisoned girls.


"There is nothing that leads us to believe that they were involved or had any knowledge of this," deputy police chief Ed Tomba said at a press conference at Public Hall.
Ariel Castro and the three women have all told police that Pedro and Onil weren't involved, Tomba said.
So why were they arrested? "They were with their brother. It was an investigative stop. You can only imagine the chaos," Tomba said.
/from the article linked upthread
 
2013-05-09 01:12:26 PM  

vabeard: Ahhh...the old "it's a cultural misunderstanding and society is to blame".


I'm still waiting for the, "this is an indictment of the entire Puerto Rican community" thingy.
 
2013-05-09 01:12:43 PM  

Jument: Stone Meadow: Turns out the brothers both say they've never been inside the house, and their stories are corroborated by the victims, who are reported to have told police they never heard or saw anyone else during their time in the house. The brothers "look" like scum bags, and so when the police went to the mother's house to arrest Ariel they rounded up the two brothers, too, since they happened to be there. Guilt by association, as it were, but there is apparently NO evidence they were in on it. Time will tell, of course.

Huh. I guess that makes sense. Kind of weird that nobody, even family, had ever been inside this guy's house.


The brothers' story was also corroborated by cousins and neighbors, who all say Ariel never allowed anyone inside the house, with two known exceptions: a cousin was allowed into the living room (just inside the front door) in the mid-90's. He described what he saw of the house as a hovel, with a makeshift "tent" in the living room where Ariel slept in order to minimize heating costs.

The other known entry was in 2004 when delivery men wrestled a new kitchen stove into the living room, where he stopped them, saying he would take it the rest of the way. In each case, he excused his behavior by saying he was embarrassed by his poor housekeeping.

Numerous neighbors commented to police and the press that while Ariel would gladly attend neighborhood bbq's and other functions, he never once in the 18 years he lived there hosted anything on his property. Neighbors remarked that it seemed 'strange', but dismissed it as he was a quiet neighbor who never made trouble.

/got all this from reading too many internet articles to count in recent days
 
2013-05-09 01:12:49 PM  
I don't understand the law (I'm not saying that in a smartassery way, I honestly don't understand it). If you are charged with one count of rape does that mean you could have raped 1 person fifty times? Is each count essentially a victim?  It seems like there should be something akin to Super Mega Rape when you're attacking a woman constantly for a decade.
 
2013-05-09 01:13:31 PM  
I can accept that some people have essentially no cognitive free will, that they are animals behaving exactly as their instincts and training drive them. It's a sad state. They are blameless and I can't hold them in anything but pity.

As sad as it is, there's only one thing to do with a dangerous animal like that.

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2013-05-09 01:14:10 PM  

louiedog: Ooba Tooba: And notice the one girl never got pregnant. She was the smart one. She willed those sperm to neverland, or jumped up and down afterwards, so the one who got pregnant was clearly at fault. She wanted it to happen. She should bear this gentleman's punishment. The other girl is a hero, not that Chappelle like character eating all that McDiabetes.

From what I understand from doctors, that's really rare.  If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.


God, that still makes me farking seethe just reading it. Ugh.
 
2013-05-09 01:14:45 PM  
This 'suicide note' sounds like bullshiat.

You kidnap some women you plan on keeping for decade, so right away you write up a 'suicide note' describing how sympathetic your situation is, decreeing all assets to your 'girlfriends' just a bunch of shiat to try make you look good, and then you sit on it for when you get caught.
 
2013-05-09 01:15:21 PM  

JesseL: I can accept that some people have essentially no cognitive free will, that they are animals behaving exactly as their instincts and training drive them. It's a sad state. They are blameless and I can't hold them in anything but pity.

As sad as it is, there's only one thing to do with a dangerous animal like that.

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You better look out for HotWingConspiracy.  I made a similar comment and he was all over me.  And by all over me, i mean mostly just blathering nonsensical comments in my direction.
 
2013-05-09 01:16:44 PM  

spiderpaz: That and the police reports of three men with naked women on leashes.


Uhm.. Yeah, about that
 
2013-05-09 01:18:25 PM  

JesseL: I can accept that some people have essentially no cognitive free will, that they are animals behaving exactly as their instincts and training drive them. It's a sad state. They are blameless and I can't hold them in anything but pity.

As sad as it is, there's only one thing to do with a dangerous animal like that.

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Nicely done. You went right up to the edge with that, turned around, and headed straight back to Coolville.
 
2013-05-09 01:19:47 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Walker

I can't believe his brothers aren't being charged with anything. They all lived there didn't they? They never asked him "Hey bro, what's with all that screaming coming from the basement and who are these women who keep coming up out of the basement?". At the very least they are accomplices.

I was surprised when I heard that on the news. I'm guessing they rolled on the brother in exchange for getting their charges dropped/reduced and/or they may know what happened the the fourth girl.


Good point, I hadn't considered that possibility. I just figured it was cautious investigators not willing to raise charges they couldn't substantiate. It seems odd that he's only charged with 3 counts of rape if he had these women for 10 years, but then maybe that's just for openers and after they interview the women more they'll add to the charges as more information comes to light.
 
2013-05-09 01:23:10 PM  

madgonad: If the girls knew about the brothers than the brothers knew about them.


That's not a logical assumption.  First, we don't know if the girls knew or knew about his brothers, only that the girls said they had seen no one else during their imprisonment.
Second, it is entirely likely the guy would have talked to them during the last decade, and perhaps told them about his family at some point.
 
2013-05-09 01:23:45 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: cman: NutWrench: WhoGAS: Except there are no reports of naked women outside the interviewee's fantasy.

Not sure is serious but from the USA Today article:

Elsie Cintron, who lives three houses away, said her daughter once saw a naked woman crawling on her hands and knees in the backyard several years ago and called police. "But they didn't take it seriously," she said.

Israel Lugo said he, his family and neighbors called police three times between 2011 and 2012 after seeing disturbing things at the home of Ariel Castro. Lugo lives two houses down from Castro and grew suspicious after neighbors reported seeing naked women on leashes crawling on all fours behind Castro's house.

A third call came from neighborhood women who lived in an apartment building. Those women told Lugo they called police because they saw three young girls crawling on all fours naked with dog leashes around their necks. Three men were controlling them in the backyard. The women told Lugo they waited two hours but police never responded to the calls.

There is a serious problem with that.... the girls have said that his brothers were not involved.
Once again, the brothers are not involved.

And, the girls never said that such happened to them. I said that the girls never said such happened to them.

Please stop with the bullshiat reporting.

The girls are filthy liars


So you think it started out as a happy polygamy situation and over time the sister-wives grew jealous of one another. Angry with Castro that they had to share his love, they concocted this story and ratted him out.
 
2013-05-09 01:25:03 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: So you think it started out as a happy polygamy situation and over time the sister-wives grew jealous of one another. Angry with Castro that they had to share his love, they concocted this story and ratted him out.


Wait a sec...you need to rewrite this story from the start because THAT is something I can fap to.
 
2013-05-09 01:25:20 PM  

TV's Vinnie: THEN IT'S HIS OWN DAMN FAULT THAT HE'S NOW IN JAIL AND SOON TO HAVE HIS ASS POUNDED RAW BY TWENTY BLACK CONVICTS.


And the Nazi Skinheads don't get any? Are they not equally entitled to sodomize the Castro?
 
2013-05-09 01:27:35 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: HaywoodJablonski: cman: NutWrench: WhoGAS: Except there are no reports of naked women outside the interviewee's fantasy.

Not sure is serious but from the USA Today article:

Elsie Cintron, who lives three houses away, said her daughter once saw a naked woman crawling on her hands and knees in the backyard several years ago and called police. "But they didn't take it seriously," she said.

Israel Lugo said he, his family and neighbors called police three times between 2011 and 2012 after seeing disturbing things at the home of Ariel Castro. Lugo lives two houses down from Castro and grew suspicious after neighbors reported seeing naked women on leashes crawling on all fours behind Castro's house.

A third call came from neighborhood women who lived in an apartment building. Those women told Lugo they called police because they saw three young girls crawling on all fours naked with dog leashes around their necks. Three men were controlling them in the backyard. The women told Lugo they waited two hours but police never responded to the calls.

There is a serious problem with that.... the girls have said that his brothers were not involved.
Once again, the brothers are not involved.

And, the girls never said that such happened to them. I said that the girls never said such happened to them.

Please stop with the bullshiat reporting.

The girls are filthy liars

So you think it started out as a happy polygamy situation and over time the sister-wives grew jealous of one another. Angry with Castro that they had to share his love, they concocted this story and ratted him out.


Isn't it obvious? Occam's razor and all that
 
2013-05-09 01:30:17 PM  

FullMetalPanda: The 3 girls to 1 guy ratio can easily be explained.   Also relatives usually don't have sex in front of each other.

The guy probably initially raped all the girls together.  Then he picked one to rape nonstop until she became pregnant.  A few months down the line she isn't easy to rape anymore so he moves on to the next girl.  Rapes her nonstop until she's pregnant then moves on to the last girl.  That way he can stagger it so he's raping a girl that isn't pregnant.  See?


That's where the line would get drawn?
 
2013-05-09 01:31:44 PM  

A Leaf in Fall: There's decent enough scientific evidence that no one actually has free will, and that time as we experience it has always existed and will always exist, and that we are just perceiving our way through it.


www.libertypages.com
 
2013-05-09 01:33:35 PM  

Stone Meadow: Jument: Stone Meadow: Turns out the brothers both say they've never been inside the house, and their stories are corroborated by the victims, who are reported to have told police they never heard or saw anyone else during their time in the house. The brothers "look" like scum bags, and so when the police went to the mother's house to arrest Ariel they rounded up the two brothers, too, since they happened to be there. Guilt by association, as it were, but there is apparently NO evidence they were in on it. Time will tell, of course.

Huh. I guess that makes sense. Kind of weird that nobody, even family, had ever been inside this guy's house.

The brothers' story was also corroborated by cousins and neighbors, who all say Ariel never allowed anyone inside the house, with two known exceptions: a cousin was allowed into the living room (just inside the front door) in the mid-90's. He described what he saw of the house as a hovel, with a makeshift "tent" in the living room where Ariel slept in order to minimize heating costs.

The other known entry was in 2004 when delivery men wrestled a new kitchen stove into the living room, where he stopped them, saying he would take it the rest of the way. In each case, he excused his behavior by saying he was embarrassed by his poor housekeeping.

Numerous neighbors commented to police and the press that while Ariel would gladly attend neighborhood bbq's and other functions, he never once in the 18 years he lived there hosted anything on his property. Neighbors remarked that it seemed 'strange', but dismissed it as he was a quiet neighbor who never made trouble.

/got all this from reading too many internet articles to count in recent days


Bullsh*t. I have seen pictures from inside the house taken by various people who have visited it, one even showing a padlock on the basement door located in the kitchen. The TRUE story will come out eventually. lots of conflicting information currently and pictures don't lie...except Photoshopped ones.
 
2013-05-09 01:35:23 PM  

cman: These people aint robots

They do act on their own feelings.

Whomever invented the "ITS SOCIETIES FAULT THAT I..." needs to be beaten with a dildo.


Liberals.
 
2013-05-09 01:42:54 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: So you think it started out as a happy polygamy situation and over time the sister-wives grew jealous of one another. Angry with Castro that they had to share his love, they concocted this story and ratted him out.


This is the most plausible explanation I've heard yet and should be given due consideration. It would be prudent in the interest of justice to keep these ladies separated and to interrogate them separately. I wouldn't be surprised if investigators discover many glaring contradictions in their individual accounts of what exactly happened in that house. We shouldn't jump to the conclusion that these ladies are wholly innocent victims in this thing.
 
2013-05-09 01:43:09 PM  
No excuses, No mercy.

Sentence him to the maximum punishment allowed by law, and forget him. We should spend our energy trying to heal the victims - the perp is neither fixable or worth the effort.
 
2013-05-09 01:53:34 PM  

devilEther: AngryJailhouseFistfark: So you think it started out as a happy polygamy situation and over time the sister-wives grew jealous of one another. Angry with Castro that they had to share his love, they concocted this story and ratted him out.

This is the most plausible explanation I've heard yet and should be given due consideration. It would be prudent in the interest of justice to keep these ladies separated and to interrogate them separately. I wouldn't be surprised if investigators discover many glaring contradictions in their individual accounts of what exactly happened in that house. We shouldn't jump to the conclusion that these ladies are wholly innocent victims in this thing.


Because the previous 10 years wasn't enough time to come up with a story for why they were there?

I can't tell you how often I hear about multiple young women suddenly abandoning their lives to shack up with a creepy old guy in Cleveland and never leave the house or contact their families again.
 
2013-05-09 01:54:47 PM  
Freewill: a delusion of meatbots.
 
2013-05-09 01:55:18 PM  

Private_Citizen: No excuses, No mercy.

Sentence him to the maximum punishment allowed by law, and forget him. We should spend our energy trying to heal the victims - the perp is neither fixable or worth the effort.


But if he is also a former victim, and neither fixable nor worth the effort, doesn't that suggest that we should not in fact try to heal the victims, because they will grow up to be criminals themselves?
 
2013-05-09 01:59:04 PM  

PapaChester: I personally believe that these guys are hundreds of times worse than the Boston bombers.


Now THIS is how you troll, folks.
 
2013-05-09 01:59:41 PM  
devilEther:

Ariel?  How are you getting on the internet from your jail cell?
 
2013-05-09 02:01:09 PM  

Walker: Bullsh*t. I have seen pictures from inside the house taken by various people who have visited it, one even showing a padlock on the basement door located in the kitchen. The TRUE story will come out eventually. lots of conflicting information currently and pictures don't lie...exce ...


Got a link to the photo?
 
2013-05-09 02:09:12 PM  

Mrbogey: cman: These people aint robots

They do act on their own feelings.

Whomever invented the "ITS SOCIETIES FAULT THAT I..." needs to be beaten with a dildo.

Liberals.


You never stop being a partisan douchebag.
 
2013-05-09 02:13:51 PM  

JesseL: devilEther: AngryJailhouseFistfark: So you think it started out as a happy polygamy situation and over time the sister-wives grew jealous of one another. Angry with Castro that they had to share his love, they concocted this story and ratted him out.

This is the most plausible explanation I've heard yet and should be given due consideration. It would be prudent in the interest of justice to keep these ladies separated and to interrogate them separately. I wouldn't be surprised if investigators discover many glaring contradictions in their individual accounts of what exactly happened in that house. We shouldn't jump to the conclusion that these ladies are wholly innocent victims in this thing.

Because the previous 10 years wasn't enough time to come up with a story for why they were there?

I can't tell you how often I hear about multiple young women suddenly abandoning their lives to shack up with a creepy old guy in Cleveland and never leave the house or contact their families again.


And you wouldn't have heard about this situation if these women remained committed to the marriage family they started. But they became jealous of each other and possessive of Ariel, unable to see past their own desires and allow their sister wives to partake of his bounty. And really, who can blame them? He's a community servant, musician, and a bit of a looker, I might add. Not only that, he could take care of not one, but three wives without them having to work outside the home. Now that's a provider. My guess is it was all sweetness and bliss until the first one had the baby. Then the other two want Ariel to give them babies. And when they don't conceive they blame him, as if his seed that can create a child in the womb of one can't do that in the womb of another, and it's the seeds fault?

Such is Woman: a fickle creature, at once the font of all life and beauty, and yet steeped in bitterness and a thirst for vengeance when she feels slighted.
 
2013-05-09 02:16:47 PM  

Stone Meadow: Walker: Bullsh*t. I have seen pictures from inside the house taken by various people who have visited it, one even showing a padlock on the basement door located in the kitchen. The TRUE story will come out eventually. lots of conflicting information currently and pictures don't lie...exce ...

Got a link to the photo?


Okay, I found these...taken in 2001...the year before Michele Knight was kidnapped. (source)

So, it appears that he occasionally let family in before he started his kidnapping spree. I don't find anything from later, tho.
 
2013-05-09 02:23:03 PM  

maachubo: Private_Citizen: No excuses, No mercy.

Sentence him to the maximum punishment allowed by law, and forget him. We should spend our energy trying to heal the victims - the perp is neither fixable or worth the effort.

But if he is also a former victim, and neither fixable nor worth the effort, doesn't that suggest that we should not in fact try to heal the victims, because they will grow up to be criminals themselves?


I'm not sure if you're serious, but on the off chance you are....
I stand by my earlier statement: No Excuses, No Mercy. Both his heinous crimes, and the unbelievable duration he continued them mark him as a true monster. His victims will need years to heal - and that's where we should focus our efforts.

If he was a true victim - and that's a big if - he had several options, just a few of which were : confront his abuser to prevent others from suffering (bravest), seek help to heal (brave), pretend it never happened (option of the broken), etc. He chose D(emon), and decided to victimize others in the most horrible way imaginable. When he made that choice, he lost my sympathy.

No Excuses, No Mercy.
 
2013-05-09 02:23:17 PM  

Mrbogey: cman: These people aint robots

They do act on their own feelings.

Whomever invented the "ITS SOCIETIES FAULT THAT I..." needs to be beaten with a dildo.

Liberals.


At least he didn't blame George Bush.
 
2013-05-09 02:32:56 PM  

ohdoublereally: Mrbogey: cman: These people aint robots

They do act on their own feelings.

Whomever invented the "ITS SOCIETIES FAULT THAT I..." needs to be beaten with a dildo.

Liberals.

At least he didn't blame George Bush.


Well this did all start under Bush's watch, now didn't it? And he won Ohio in 2000, so you do the math. Go ahead, we'll wait.
 
2013-05-09 02:35:41 PM  

Stone Meadow: Stone Meadow: Walker: Bullsh*t. I have seen pictures from inside the house taken by various people who have visited it, one even showing a padlock on the basement door located in the kitchen. The TRUE story will come out eventually. lots of conflicting information currently and pictures don't lie...exce ...

Got a link to the photo?

Okay, I found these...taken in 2001...the year before Michele Knight was kidnapped. (source)

So, it appears that he occasionally let family in before he started his kidnapping spree. I don't find anything from later, tho.


OK, I didn't know the year, just saw them on the news. But since the door is already padlocked who knows who/what he had locked down there then. Why is it padlocked?
 
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