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2013-05-09 11:32:23 AM
I guess that the always online thing worked like a charm.
 
2013-05-09 11:33:02 AM
Blizzard hate trifecta?
 
2013-05-09 11:35:05 AM
I was wondering when this would happen.  This is exactly why the RMAH was a bad idea.  Also, I thought the "always online" feature was to prevent people from being able to do EXACTLY THIS!
 
2013-05-09 11:38:09 AM
people are still playing that pos?
 
2013-05-09 11:38:50 AM
I found this beast a few weeks ago:

i291.photobucket.com

Any takers?
 
2013-05-09 11:40:41 AM
Rofl for the old school GPOW town portal dupes I used to sell :)
 
2013-05-09 11:40:55 AM
I got an email from Blizzard cancelling my D3 account a couple months ago with the claim I was using third party software or something.  This after having done no such thing and not having played the game since about 2 months after it was released.  I guess it was hacked or Blizzard was just clearing the decks.  Whatever.  I can at least thank D3 for finally driving home the lesson to never, ever, pay for always on DRM games again.
 
2013-05-09 11:43:49 AM

mainstreet62: I found this beast a few weeks ago:

[i291.photobucket.com image 285x332]

Any takers?


I'll give 1 gold over vendor price.
 
2013-05-09 11:46:58 AM

Shrugging Atlas: I got an email from Blizzard cancelling my D3 account a couple months ago with the claim I was using third party software or something.  This after having done no such thing and not having played the game since about 2 months after it was released.  I guess it was hacked or Blizzard was just clearing the decks.  Whatever.  I can at least thank D3 for finally driving home the lesson to never, ever, pay for always on DRM games again.


Yup, I was stupid enough to defend Blizzard's RMAH before the game came out because if there is one developer that can do it proper it's gonna be Blizzard.

Blizzard is dead to me. I'll enjoy watching others play spiritual successors made by Activision-Blizzard but I'm done giving them my money.

/Should've just let china farmers and eBay handle it Blizzard, ya dun goofed.
 
2013-05-09 11:52:42 AM
I always heard people complain about the economy in D2 and how duping ruined it, but... I had a lot of fun with that game for many years.  I stopped playing D3 a few months in, partly because I was so sick of auction housing new gear.  In D2 I remember being able to solo well into nightmare with just gear I found, and even after that playing with groups or using muled stuff was more fun than browsing listings.
 
2013-05-09 11:53:53 AM

desolation15: Shrugging Atlas: I got an email from Blizzard cancelling my D3 account a couple months ago with the claim I was using third party software or something.  This after having done no such thing and not having played the game since about 2 months after it was released.  I guess it was hacked or Blizzard was just clearing the decks.  Whatever.  I can at least thank D3 for finally driving home the lesson to never, ever, pay for always on DRM games again.

Yup, I was stupid enough to defend Blizzard's RMAH before the game came out because if there is one developer that can do it proper it's gonna be Blizzard.

Blizzard is dead to me. I'll enjoy watching others play spiritual successors made by Activision-Blizzard but I'm done giving them my money.

/Should've just let china farmers and eBay handle it Blizzard, ya dun goofed.


It was never about protecting the customers or ensuring everything was fair. They were pissed they didn't get a cut of the pie on those ebay/Diablo loot stores. It's the main reason they had eBay remove all auctions for digital items claiming they belonged to Blizzard and therefore could not be sold online without their permission.
 
2013-05-09 11:56:22 AM
hah.. caught by the old "used too small of a variable type" bug.
 
2013-05-09 11:58:51 AM
I'm not concerned with this, but I do want to say: Blizzard didn't have to suck.  They chose to.  I use to love their products, but now just want to see them go bankrupt.
 
2013-05-09 11:59:33 AM
Is there a list of the worst publishers/studios to get games from?
From the top of my head, I got:

EA
Visceral
Blizzard
Activision
Spiral Game Studios (for extremely shiatty business practices)


Anyone want to add?
 
2013-05-09 11:59:50 AM
Sad thing, was about 4 months after release people were selling items for about $200 cash in the RMAH, then using that cash to buy new weapons to tweak their Character.  When I finished nightmare with my witch doctor i realized how much I would need to farm, then sell, then buy to make my character decent and quit the game

Not to mention I rarely was able to play online with my friends because of the level disparity
 
2013-05-09 12:00:41 PM

Shrugging Atlas: I got an email from Blizzard cancelling my D3 account a couple months ago with the claim I was using third party software or something.  This after having done no such thing and not having played the game since about 2 months after it was released.  I guess it was hacked or Blizzard was just clearing the decks.  Whatever.


I can understand not having any further interest in the game but not sure if I could be so cavalier about a potential security breach.  I'd be worried my password had been compromised and where else do I use that password online?  Or that my entire rig had been zombiefied.

Steam triggers an email identity check if connecting from a novel IP address, does Blizzard do that as well?  If so, some remote hacker must also have access to your email.  If not, well, shame on Blizzard.
 
2013-05-09 12:04:39 PM
It was pretty entertaining watching the whole situation unfold.  Radiant Star gems went from 18 mil gold to, in one case, over 200 mil gold in a span of a few hours.  Prices of other things went up a fair amount as well, but not nearly as much as gems.  I'm interested to see how things will pan out once the AH comes back online.
 
2013-05-09 12:05:45 PM

the opposite of charity is justice: Shrugging Atlas: I got an email from Blizzard cancelling my D3 account a couple months ago with the claim I was using third party software or something.  This after having done no such thing and not having played the game since about 2 months after it was released.  I guess it was hacked or Blizzard was just clearing the decks.  Whatever.

I can understand not having any further interest in the game but not sure if I could be so cavalier about a potential security breach.  I'd be worried my password had been compromised and where else do I use that password online?  Or that my entire rig had been zombiefied.

Steam triggers an email identity check if connecting from a novel IP address, does Blizzard do that as well?  If so, some remote hacker must also have access to your email.  If not, well, shame on Blizzard.


It's not just a new IP, it's a new machine identity, which can change if you alter your motherboard, for example.
 
2013-05-09 12:07:53 PM

RoxtarRyan: Is there a list of the worst publishers/studios to get games from?
From the top of my head, I got:

EA
Visceral
Blizzard
Activision
Spiral Game Studios (for extremely shiatty business practices)


Anyone want to add?


Acclaim (back in the day)
THQ (How they screwed with Titan quest)
 
2013-05-09 12:08:25 PM
I'm actually looking forward to playing the PS3 version of Diablo 3. From what little I've heard, it might be a much better experience than the PC version. Of course, if it's not, I'll just settle for Torchlight II, so it's a win for me either way.
 
2013-05-09 12:10:05 PM

RoxtarRyan: Is there a list of the worst publishers/studios to get games from?
From the top of my head, I got:

EA
Visceral
Blizzard
Activision
Spiral Game Studios (for extremely shiatty business practices)


Anyone want to add?


Hammerpoint Interactive (Creators of War Z)
 
2013-05-09 12:10:40 PM

Gunderson: Acclaim (back in the day)


Oh, if we're doing back in the day, LJN.
 
2013-05-09 12:12:38 PM

RedPhoenix122: Hammerpoint Interactive (Creators of War Z)


Forgot about those guys!
 
2013-05-09 12:13:55 PM

RoxtarRyan: RedPhoenix122: Hammerpoint Interactive (Creators of War Z)

Forgot about those guys!


Yep.  Also, I forgot about Zynga. (Casual games, but still a shiatty company)
 
2013-05-09 12:20:23 PM
Hubris killed Diablo 3. And Hyperinflation.

I made posts during beta that this would happen, and was consistently mocked by kiddies with no education and ignored by the Devs. I can still necro the threads because they moved it to gen discussion.

All I have to say is 'suck it.'
 
2013-05-09 12:20:30 PM
Blizzard knew how to make games, once upon a time. But I guess those people have left the company.
 
2013-05-09 12:21:07 PM

the opposite of charity is justice: I can understand not having any further interest in the game but not sure if I could be so cavalier about a potential security breach.  I'd be worried my password had been compromised and where else do I use that password online?  Or that my entire rig had been zombiefied.

Steam triggers an email identity check if connecting from a novel IP address, does Blizzard do that as well?  If so, some remote hacker must also have access to your email.  If not, well, shame on Blizzard.


Like Steamguard, Blizzard has an authenticator service that checks every 30 or so days from when you last signed in and from every new location (Either as a physical dongle or a free mobile app). Your choice to use or not use it is your own. It's probably more secure than Steam in that even if your email is taken over they still wouldn't have access to your account without either your physical phone or dongle.
 
2013-05-09 12:22:27 PM

FuturePastNow: Blizzard knew how to make games, once upon a time. But I guess those people have left the company.


Play Torchlight 2.  Made by members of the D2 staff.
 
2013-05-09 12:28:54 PM
In Concept this is an easy fix, first patch the bug that was exploited then come up with an in game event to siphon off all that excess gold.

In practice its going to be a lot more difficult.
 
2013-05-09 12:29:25 PM

justtray: Hubris killed Diablo 3. And Hyperinflation.

I made posts during beta that this would happen, and was consistently mocked by kiddies with no education and ignored by the Devs. I can still necro the threads because they moved it to gen discussion.

All I have to say is 'suck it.'


First rule of building a game with a real economy: hire a talented farking economist. Blizzard failed at this.
 
2013-05-09 12:31:47 PM

Gunderson: RoxtarRyan: Is there a list of the worst publishers/studios to get games from?
From the top of my head, I got:

EA
Visceral
Blizzard
Activision
Spiral Game Studios (for extremely shiatty business practices)


Anyone want to add?

Acclaim (back in the day)
THQ (How they screwed with Titan quest)


THQ is dead so there's that (although I will miss my Darksiders franchise, unless another studio revives it).

Gearbox is dangling right now. They still have the Borderlands franchise, but other than that they've been churning out crap recently (looking at you Aliens:CM).
 
2013-05-09 12:32:24 PM

nekulor: justtray: Hubris killed Diablo 3. And Hyperinflation.

I made posts during beta that this would happen, and was consistently mocked by kiddies with no education and ignored by the Devs. I can still necro the threads because they moved it to gen discussion.

All I have to say is 'suck it.'

First rule of building a game with a real economy: hire a talented farking economist. Blizzard failed at this.


Soooooooo true. It's another thing I kept saying. Sad part is they pulled it off with WoW (hint binding items) and failed with D3
 
2013-05-09 12:34:49 PM

scottydoesntknow: THQ is dead so there's that (although I will miss my Darksiders franchise, unless another studio revives it).


Nordic games now owns the IP, and while they're not interested in making a new Darksiders game, they're interested in allowing another studio to do so.
 
2013-05-09 12:37:26 PM

RedPhoenix122: Gunderson: Acclaim (back in the day)

Oh, if we're doing back in the day, LJN.


Jesus Christ that rainbow was a harbinger of suck. And were they the subsidiary of a film studio? I can't think of why they and Acclaim got the rights to every movie game made in the 80s and 90s. Unless they were just so crappy they were always the lowest bidders.
 
2013-05-09 12:37:44 PM

justtray: nekulor: justtray: Hubris killed Diablo 3. And Hyperinflation.

I made posts during beta that this would happen, and was consistently mocked by kiddies with no education and ignored by the Devs. I can still necro the threads because they moved it to gen discussion.

All I have to say is 'suck it.'

First rule of building a game with a real economy: hire a talented farking economist. Blizzard failed at this.

Soooooooo true. It's another thing I kept saying. Sad part is they pulled it off with WoW (hint binding items) and failed with D3


Legendaries should have been bind on equip. Rares should have been bindable for a decent stat bonus. It would have fixed the market flooding issues.
 
2013-05-09 12:41:02 PM

RedPhoenix122: FuturePastNow: Blizzard knew how to make games, once upon a time. But I guess those people have left the company.

Play Torchlight 2.  Made by members of the D2 staff.


Marvel Heroes is made by the D2 staff as well. And it shows. It's pretty much a straight port of D2, but with Marvel characters. They even re-hash some of the D2 music via guitar & synthesizer. It's pretty damn boring, tbh

Turbine's 'Inifinite Crisis' looks to be a better ARPG. Mainly for the fact that you have multiple versions of the characters (Batman, Gaslight Batman, Nightmare Batman, etc.) with different power sets. In Marvel Heroes, Iron Man is Iron Man is Iron Man, regardless of which set of armor you're using; you just switch costumes, there's no change in your skill trees or powers.
 
2013-05-09 12:42:11 PM

nekulor: justtray: nekulor: justtray: Hubris killed Diablo 3. And Hyperinflation.

I made posts during beta that this would happen, and was consistently mocked by kiddies with no education and ignored by the Devs. I can still necro the threads because they moved it to gen discussion.

All I have to say is 'suck it.'

First rule of building a game with a real economy: hire a talented farking economist. Blizzard failed at this.

Soooooooo true. It's another thing I kept saying. Sad part is they pulled it off with WoW (hint binding items) and failed with D3

Legendaries should have been bind on equip. Rares should have been bindable for a decent stat bonus. It would have fixed the market flooding issues.


Ya also you had things in wow like mounts, consumables, gems, and other various gold sinks that simply didn't exist in D3. They even tuned gold drops multiple times which was a poor band aid that did nothing to address the actual issue.
 
2013-05-09 12:44:29 PM

justtray: Soooooooo true. It's another thing I kept saying. Sad part is they pulled it off with WoW (hint binding items) and failed with D3


Well, sort of.  This is kind of a cop out, fighting inflation by not really having an economy and making the currency essentially not worth all that much in relation to power level.  It is one way to enforce the sink on the other side of creation, but it really does this by disallowing a market economy, "loot rot" was considered a problem in WoW back in the day.

It also has no real "maintenance" built in, so you end up with an ever escalating power curve to keep things moving.  Personally I think there are better sinks that BoE and BoP.
 
2013-05-09 12:45:40 PM
Bah. This is why I quit after D2 went the way of the dodo. I was enormously wealthy in that game and when the decline started I ebay'd everything for cash and used my paypal account to pay the power and gas bills for my house for 5 months......

Now I do more constructive things with my time, like drink beer and fart.
 
2013-05-09 12:50:43 PM
I'm looking forward to the days when game companies go back to being happy from being able to profit from the initial sale of the game and stop trying to metaprofit from every single aspect therein.  I'll probably be waiting a while.
 
2013-05-09 12:57:03 PM
Easy fix, everyone's gold count gets reset to 0, suck it everyone because someone cheated.
 
2013-05-09 12:59:39 PM
Guess what website was championing and explaining this gold dupe on Tuesday? The same website which was the de facto RMAH for Diablo 2. The same place where most 3rd party D3 gold trade/top of the line gear was sold (b/c there was a floor and a ceiling in D3's RMAH, and this website could go around it). Yeah, this bug was awful, stupid, and someone's going to lose their job over it. But this way, they can actually see it and catch it, unlike D2 where you had to trade using duped SoJs or runes. Most of D3's failings occurred somewhere around late 2011, when they tried to make it more like D2; no binding, purely random (worthless) crafting, no enchanting, no ranked/organized PvP, no skill tweaking through items (the original runestones), screwing up the base stats, the list goes on. I went back and fiddled around in D2 in anticipation of the ladder reset (a terrible system, as well) and realized how many things they got wrong in that game. Mistakes they made again in Torchlight 1, stupid mistakes like potion spam, not bothering at all to balance anything, immortality through %life on hit, completely worthless base stats, and the silliness of clicking little buttons every single level to worthlessly place them, ten tons of worthless gear and affixes, affixes that don't work like they claim, etc. D3 had a real chance to move the genre forward, to take chances and do new, better things. Instead, they tried too hard to make Diablo 2.5, and it blew up in their face. Hopefully, w/ that toadie Jay Wilson out, they have the balls to redo everything in the expansion.
 
2013-05-09 01:01:07 PM

Gunderson: RoxtarRyan: Is there a list of the worst publishers/studios to get games from?
From the top of my head, I got:

EA
Visceral
Blizzard
Activision
Spiral Game Studios (for extremely shiatty business practices)


Anyone want to add?

Acclaim (back in the day)
THQ (How they screwed with Titan quest)


The list was publishers NOT TO deal with, not dead publishers NOBODY CAN do business with anymore.
 
2013-05-09 01:01:50 PM
Diablo 3 was one of the biggest disappointments I've had for a game. There are so many problems with that game that it gives me no hope for the expansion either. I'll say that the game's sound and visuals were amazing, and I didn't even mind the story. The gameplay and itemization is where they failed miserably - arguably the most important part of the game.

The RMAH was probably fine... the gold auction house was a huge mistake. Bots quickly hyper inflated the economy, which was completely foreseeable. And since they must have at least some level suspected this - they made drop rates so incredibly low that finding a decent item took literally hundreds of hours. They did this by making the randomization range so incredibly wide that the difference between the average item and a good item was insane - and this rule applied to all items. A "legendary" item, which were already incredibly rare, could be complete crap if it didn't roll the correct stats. This was a massive mistake - D2 had random stats that varied greatly, but never to this degree.

This type of itemization then forced people to use the auction house if they wanted to progress at any kind of reasonable rate. I, like many others, felt like I spent more time on the AH than playing the actual game. "Well, why didn't you just have fun and play the game?!" Because I like a sense of progression, and playing the AH was more satisfying (progression wise) than playing the actual game when I would play for hours and get absolutely nothing while the economy inflated out of control.

I kept playing for a while, telling myself that "It'll get better!" I played WoW - I hated the leveling period, but I freakin loved raids. You had to put in a lot time doing dumb bullshiat to get to the fun part of the game. Eventually I realized it'll never get better. At least I made my money back and then some selling all my items off the RMAH.

IMO, Blizz was one of the best companies because they didn't make many games, but they made some of the highest quality games. I have no idea how they failed so miserably with D3.
 
2013-05-09 01:03:53 PM

NathanAllen: Easy fix, everyone's gold count gets reset to 0, suck it everyone because someone cheated.


Thing is, they could just shut off the game. Call it quits. Big middle finger to everyone.

And there isn't a damn thing anyone can do about it. Enjoy your $60 cardboard box and useless plastic disc.
 
2013-05-09 01:04:47 PM

miniflea: In D2 I remember being able to solo well into nightmare with just gear I found, and even after that playing with groups or using muled stuff was more fun than browsing listings.


This was my big complaint with D3 as well. As a couple of game theorists pointed out at launch, they changed the reward system from "gambling for items", which is great fun, to "work and then shop for items", which is less fun.

To be fair, they largely fixed that problem within the past year by radically upping drop rates and adding in the Nephalim Valor system, which increases drop rates further as you kill harder monsters. Still nigh impossible to completely self gear, but you might have to only shop for a couple of key pieces instead of a whold goddamn wardrobe.

The recent patch with the dupe bug increased drop rates even farther while nerfing monster HP.


justtray: Hubris killed Diablo 3. And Hyperinflation.


I can't fathom why they haven't switched to making the death penalty take a fraction of your account's total gold supply. Your toons already share gold, so you can't hide it on a mule. This system so would stabilize the total gold supply as a function of the average death rate.
 
2013-05-09 01:07:09 PM
A moment of silence for the poor fools still farming the same levels in that game.
 
2013-05-09 01:10:06 PM

NathanAllen: Easy fix, everyone's gold count gets reset to 0, suck it everyone because someone cheated.


Reset to 0, give 500 gold for each monster killed, and 10,000 for each elite killed.
 
2013-05-09 01:10:39 PM
can you turn them into BitCoins and then look at ASCII pictures of Ben Bernanke and get child porn links
 
kab
2013-05-09 01:12:24 PM

J. Frank Parnell: A moment of silence for the poor fools still farming the same levels in that game.


This.

It's good for the occasional stomp now and then, but if you seriously think I'm going to farm for weeks on end to essentially be able to... wait for it....  farm faster.... yeah, no.
 
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