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2013-05-09 03:46:52 PM

NightOwl2255: Parkanzky: Here's a newsflash. They also reduce the range of a gasoline powered car.

And when that car needs gas, does it take 3-4-5 hours to fill up? Do you have to hope you can find somewhere to fill up?


Strategy for winning internet arguments, number 82: Whenever one of your points is proven wrong, meaningless, or absurd, switch to a different point. Repeat as necessary.
 
2013-05-09 03:50:19 PM

NightOwl2255: Parkanzky: For instance, my wife and I have four cars. A Tesla S would be a neat replacement for one of them and would work really well for us on our ~50 mile round-trip commute and even trips to neighboring cities to visit friends and family. If we needed to suddently make a 400 mile drive we wouldn't be SOL, we'd just be driving a different car.

You make a good point. All 4 cars you have now would make that 400 mile trip, no problem (I assume they are gas drinkers and are not junk). The problem is, your $80k Tesla (or any electric car), simply can't in the same manner as a Honda Accord. A car that can't go a few hundred miles is a limited car.


The range limitation does not make it junk.  The automotive press, the satisfied owners and the huge sales success are plenty of evidence of that.  It just makes it unsuitable in that role.  Is there something wrong with that?  Is a Ferrari 458 junk because it can't haul mulch home for the flower beds or tow your boat?  Buy what suits your purpose.  For many people, a Tesla is perfectly suited for commuting.
 
2013-05-09 03:51:18 PM

Parkanzky: Why all the electric car rage when you clearly don't have a dog in the fight and it's obvious that lots of people have purchased them and are happy with their purchase?


I would ask why all the rage for a product that is so clearly limited? But, you asked in a civil manner (thank you for that) so I will answer. Consumer Reports just issued a glowing report on the S. I find it silly to absurd that a car that is so limited in its operation would get such a review. It's a sedan, it should be measured against other sedans, not as an electric vehicle, as a sedan. On that bases it has a major flaw. It can't go very far, and it takes a lot of time to "fill up". If you want to call it a great, or the best, electric car, fine. But do so with the understanding that it has a major, inherent weakness.
 
2013-05-09 03:51:19 PM

Hollie Maea: All that said, I wouldn't describe someone who latches onto a single breathless article on an issue and then never follows up on it as "people paying attention".


Whether or not it is something that is STILL a problem is pretty much settled. It's not still a problem.

But to deny that a non-Tesla-employee could form a bad impression of the company based on actual input... that's just silly. The story was everywhere.
   
Single breathless article


Second single breathless article from person who got what you're giving others here - angry defensiveness over first single breathless article

Single breathless letter from Tesla admitting the single breathless article is right and offering to fix it for $40k

Single breathless New York Times article about the problem

Single breathless Jalopnik article that has been updated to detail five separate cases of the problem, including one because the extension cord was too long, one in Japan, one in Newport Beach. AND this single breathless article warns that this problem affects the Model S.

Single breathless Fark Thread where someone named "Hollie Maea" who apparently works for Tesla first says what even Tesla admits happened didn't happen, and then says what happened will continue to be a design flaw in future models


And once you know you're not investing a hundred grand in a POS brick of a car, why would you follow up? Unless there were a Fark thread saying Consumer reports had given the car a good rating... then you might look into it or something.
 
2013-05-09 03:53:10 PM

R.A.Danny: vpb: knbber2: Yeah, the gas companies are trembling.  I'm sure an $80k car that you can drive for three hours and then have to charge for 12 is going to flood the market.  I'm not against electric cars, but the technology is just not there yet.

When it costs a third of that I will get one, but not now.

Conversely, when $80,000 becomes closer to the average car price. Car prices are blowing the doors off regular inflation.


Cash for clunkers and new fuel standards will do that.
 
2013-05-09 03:53:23 PM

Parkanzky: The range limitation does not make it junk.


I didn't mean junk as in electric, I meant junk as in could go 400 miles without falling apart. It was more of a joke. I would never call an electric car junk. Just limited.
 
2013-05-09 03:55:22 PM

fatbear: NightOwl2255: Parkanzky: Here's a newsflash. They also reduce the range of a gasoline powered car.

And when that car needs gas, does it take 3-4-5 hours to fill up? Do you have to hope you can find somewhere to fill up?

Strategy for winning internet arguments, number 82: Whenever one of your points is proven wrong, meaningless, or absurd, switch to a different point. Repeat as necessary.


You are tiresome. When discussing the range of a car. and what limits that range, the method you use to extend that range is very important to the discussion. Now, I'm done with you.
 
2013-05-09 03:56:05 PM

theorellior: trackerbri: (assuming maintenance and insurance is comparable)

That's just the thing: maintenance on a EV is pretty much zero, except maybe for windshield wiper fluid and blades. No oil changes or tuneups or emissions tests. I think MrSteve007 was extolling this virtue of EVs a few weeks ago.


Well, the $600 annual Tesla maintenance package is pretty expensive then if it's a maintenance free car.  Do I spend more than $600 on maintenance for my litter commuter?  Maybe, not much more than that though.  So it's a wash.

Nothing is maintenance free, tires still need to be rotated and replaced (the tires on a Tesla S would cost twice what my little wagon is currently shod with), bulbs burn out, brakes need to be inspected if only for liability concerns, filters need to be changed, even if it's just a cabin filter.  My stealership loves suggesting changing my cabin air filter for $95.  It's a 3 minute job and I can source the filter direct from Asia for thirteen bucks shipped.  I'm sure EV charging systems and batteries need some sort of a checkup, even if it's only annually.  Plus you get the software updates from Tesla.

My brother in law has a LEAF but it's a company car so he has no clue what the maintenance visits cost or what they cover, he just brings it in when they tell him to.

Right now I don't know how maintenance on a Tesla works in Canada.  I don't think we have any Canadian dealers, but I've seen and know of a handful of Tesla roadsters in the area.
 
2013-05-09 04:03:57 PM
While internet idiots ignorantly naysay, TSLA posted 1Q results that beat EPS estimates by 300% (.04 average analyst expectation, .12 actual) leading the stock to a one day gain of over 24%.

/wish I had taken a larger position
 
2013-05-09 04:05:40 PM

trackerbri: Right now I don't know how maintenance on a Tesla works in Canada.  I don't think we have any Canadian dealers, but I've seen and know of a handful of Tesla roadsters in the area.


It appears we have now have one dealership in Toronto, so whatever maintenance required would be a day trip I guess.
 
2013-05-09 04:07:30 PM

NightOwl2255: mak3_7up_y0urs: How many people have a gas station at home and can start every day with a full tank?

And your point?


That a majority of driving needs can be adequately met by having the ability to start every day with a full "tank" without ever having to go to a gas station?

Yes, I understand you are very, very concerned that you can't make a 1,000 mile trip in a Model S. Fortunately there are many other vehicles that can handle such a task, so you can purchase one of those instead.

An electric vehicle isn't for you, but that does nothing to detract from what Tesla has accomplished with the Model S.
 
2013-05-09 04:11:11 PM

Thrag: While internet idiots ignorantly naysay, TSLA posted 1Q results that beat EPS estimates by 300% (.04 average analyst expectation, .12 actual) leading the stock to a one day gain of over 24%.

/wish I had taken a larger position


Tesla reported its first profit in 10 years on May 8, 2013 and the market celebrated by propelling the stock price by 24% in after-hours trading. It posted a GAAP profit of $11 million, but this included a one-time DOE stock warrant profit of $10.7 million,

Ten years to turn a tiny, tiny profit (without the government help). What's the burn rate been for the last 10 years? Yeah, we're all idiots.
 
2013-05-09 04:14:16 PM

mak3_7up_y0urs: An electric vehicle isn't for you, but that does nothing to detract from what Tesla has accomplished with the Model S.


No doubt the S is a great electric car. The best electric car every made. With all the limitations that come with being all electric.
 
2013-05-09 04:15:37 PM

NightOwl2255: Yeah, we're all idiots.


Here's an idea.  Why don't you just go short TSLA stock if you are so goddamn sure that they suck?
 
2013-05-09 04:17:45 PM

NightOwl2255: MrSteve007: So essentially, everything you stated is now wrong.

Damn, you do love you some Tesla, don't ya? That's okay. Did the guy's Tesla brick? Yes. Did Tesla refuse to fix it? Yes. Go on with your bad self.


Has someone not filled changed their oil as proscribed by the owners manuel?  Yes.  Do auto manufacturers refuse to fix burned out engines due to negligence?.  Yes.  Going on with my bad self now, cuz that's how I roll....
 
2013-05-09 04:18:14 PM

NightOwl2255: Cyberluddite: They have a range of 250-300 miles depending on the battery and options, and they actually take less than an hour to charge at the (free) roadside Tesla "supercharge" stations that are popping up all over the place

If by "all over the place" you mean 9 (almost all in one state) then yeah.
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Considering over 50 million people live those zones...
 
2013-05-09 04:18:41 PM

NightOwl2255: Thrag: While internet idiots ignorantly naysay, TSLA posted 1Q results that beat EPS estimates by 300% (.04 average analyst expectation, .12 actual) leading the stock to a one day gain of over 24%.

/wish I had taken a larger position

Tesla reported its first profit in 10 years on May 8, 2013 and the market celebrated by propelling the stock price by 24% in after-hours trading. It posted a GAAP profit of $11 million, but this included a one-time DOE stock warrant profit of $10.7 million,

Ten years to turn a tiny, tiny profit (without the government help). What's the burn rate been for the last 10 years? Yeah, we're all idiots.


No, in this thread it is really just you who is the idiot. Loudly proclaiming your ignorance about business by thinking that a new technology startup taking years to turn a profit is somehow unusual or bad isn't exactly helping you. I've made a 60% gain in less than a month, you've made a fool of yourself. But please, continue.
 
2013-05-09 04:19:41 PM

majestic: Even if you can "fill-up" at a supercharger station, who has an entire hour to refuel? I can fuel up my vehicle in 5 minutes and be back on the road. It's always seemed to me that the way to make the EV feasible is to have battery swap out stations. Pull in with a nearly depleted battery and the station attendant swaps it out for a fresh one in under 10 minutes.  The station recharges the used batteries for later swaps.


Batteries are much bigger, more complicated, and much less fungible than you are envisioning.  They wear at different rates, so you might be trading in a brand new $10k battery for a crappy old one, etc.
 
2013-05-09 04:21:14 PM
I don't understand why more people don't buy these things just for the fun of it. If you can't drop 80K on an amusement ride, then you really should be taking the bus anyway.
 
2013-05-09 04:21:19 PM

NightOwl2255: I'm not anti-electric car


Out of all the lies you've posted in this thread this is by far the largest.

You have posted 30 or 40 times in this thread, you are posting out-of-date information in the hope of having a negative impact, you are insisting range is the most important thing when all the data and the user testimonials say otherwise.

The worst part is that your basic premise is weapon's grade stupidity: "Since this new technology is not the same or better than a mature technology in every category we should not support it".

You clearly have an agenda ... your "concern troll" persona does not hold water.
 
2013-05-09 04:21:27 PM

NightOwl2255: mak3_7up_y0urs: An electric vehicle isn't for you, but that does nothing to detract from what Tesla has accomplished with the Model S.

No doubt the S is a great electric car. The best electric car every made. With all the limitations that come with being all electric.


Fair enough.
 
2013-05-09 04:22:31 PM
Here's a nice little chart for NightOwl, the super obviously-employed-by-a-major-gas-drilling-company guy.


American Commute Distance (One Way)Percent1-5 Miles29 %6-10 Miles22 %11-15 Miles17 %16-20 Miles10 %21-25 Miles7 %26-30 Miles5 %31-35 Miles3 %35 + Miles8 %
 
2013-05-09 04:23:07 PM
Well, that sucked. Here's the link.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/commute-statistics/

Hint, like, most Americans drive less than 70 miles per day.
 
2013-05-09 04:24:40 PM

NightOwl2255: fatbear: NightOwl2255: Parkanzky: Here's a newsflash. They also reduce the range of a gasoline powered car.

And when that car needs gas, does it take 3-4-5 hours to fill up? Do you have to hope you can find somewhere to fill up?

Strategy for winning internet arguments, number 82: Whenever one of your points is proven wrong, meaningless, or absurd, switch to a different point. Repeat as necessary.

You are tiresome. When discussing the range of a car. and what limits that range, the method you use to extend that range is very important to the discussion. Now, I'm done with you.


Exactly. You are saying that the range of an EV drops by more than the range of a gas powered car when you turn on the A/C (or radio, headlights, siren, blender or laser.) It doesn't. This is why the engineers in the discussion want to smack you with a circular slide rule.
 
2013-05-09 04:25:45 PM

Hollie Maea: NightOwl2255: Yeah, we're all idiots.

Here's an idea.  Why don't you just go short TSLA stock if you are so goddamn sure that they suck?


I think I will.
 
2013-05-09 04:27:24 PM

RyansPrivates: NightOwl2255: MrSteve007: So essentially, everything you stated is now wrong.

Damn, you do love you some Tesla, don't ya? That's okay. Did the guy's Tesla brick? Yes. Did Tesla refuse to fix it? Yes. Go on with your bad self.

Has someone not filled changed their oil as proscribed by the owners manuel?  Yes.  Do auto manufacturers refuse to fix burned out engines due to negligence?.  Yes.  Going on with my bad self now, cuz that's how I roll....


Yes, driving a car without any oil is exactly the same as parking your car in a garage, coming back a couple months later and it's dead. $40k dead.
 
2013-05-09 04:28:20 PM
Oh, and to all the conspiracy anti-oil people out there, I work for a major oil and gas company, and have people in my office on the wait list for these.  It doesn't really bother us one bit, commuters don't provide as much revenue from oil as people think (oil goes into almost everything you use), and the natural gas just goes to a power plant that gets burned to turn into electricity for the electric car.  Win-win.

Our biggest competitors are alternative sources of energy, an electric car is not a source of energy, so no big deal.
 
2013-05-09 04:28:33 PM

SN1987a goes boom: Considering over 50 million people live those zones...


And 260 million don't. And you still have to hope it's on your route. That would be a swing and a miss.
 
2013-05-09 04:29:33 PM

Farking Canuck: You have posted 30 or 40 times in this thread, you are posting out-of-date information in the hope of having a negative impact, you are insisting range is the most important thing when all the data and the user testimonials say otherwise.


A car that has a limited range is limited. Deal with it.
 
2013-05-09 04:32:26 PM

NightOwl2255: You make a good point. All 4 cars you have now would make that 400 mile trip, no problem (I assume they are gas drinkers and are not junk). The problem is, your $80k Tesla (or any electric car), simply can't in the same manner as a Honda Accord. A car that can't go a few hundred miles is a limited car.


Well, my 20mpg Toyota Tacoma only gets about 325 miles per tank - so it wouldn't make 400 miles without a refil (assuming it was full to start out with). Does that make it a limited vehicle?

Actually, I'm thinking of doing a 283 mile trip in my Leaf in the coming weeks (Seattle WA to Eugene, OR). It ought to take 3, maybe 4 quick charges (@ 20 minutes each). In all practicality, I'll drive for 80-90 minutes, take a 15 minute piss & soda break, and do that 3 times. So for 4 1/2 hours of driving, I'll take 60-80 minutes worth of breaks. Not as fast as I could do it in my truck, and about the same time as I could do it on my motorcycle (which only has a 2.5 gallon tank and required a refill every 100 miles). However to drive that far in my truck, I'd use 20 gallons of gas. Is an extra hour worth it to me to save $55 in fuel each way? You bet your ass it is.

Luckily for me, there are about 4-5 dozen, operational, 20-minute "quick" chargers in WA and OR now.

Meanwhile, people like you will keep bleating on how it's impossible to do roadtrips in electric cars with only 75 a mile range.
 
2013-05-09 04:36:05 PM

Hollie Maea: NightOwl2255: Yeah, we're all idiots.

Here's an idea.  Why don't you just go short TSLA stock if you are so goddamn sure that they suck?


To be fair, there may be a very short term shorting opportunity as the price will no doubt suffer a correction soon if not tomorrow. It would be an incredibly risky move to try it.
 
2013-05-09 04:38:59 PM

Thrag: To be fair, there may be a very short term shorting opportunity as the price will no doubt suffer a correction soon if not tomorrow. It would be an incredibly risky move to try it.


Those two phrases don't belong together. One of them is wrong.
 
2013-05-09 04:39:08 PM

NightOwl2255: A car that has a limited range is limited. Deal with it.


Nobody is arguing that the range of this relatively new technology currently limited.

Why do you feel the need to make 40 posts about this well known point. And why do you need to point out that, in the past, on a previous model, there used to be a battery problem?

Should we be listing every problem that gas powered cars have ever had? Especially in their early days??

Oh that's right - despite your denials, you are anti-electric car and you seem to have a pathetic need to rant on the internet about it. And you are clearly not above posting out of date information ... which is dishonest.
 
2013-05-09 04:39:33 PM
NightOwl: I live 6 miles from work. Am I wrong for considering a Nissan Leaf as a second vehicle for just my driving to/from work?
 
2013-05-09 04:41:05 PM

Thrag: No, in this thread it is really just you who is the idiot. Loudly proclaiming your ignorance about business by thinking that a new technology startup taking years to turn a profit is somehow unusual or bad isn't exactly helping you. I've made a 60% gain in less than a month, you've made a fool of yourself. But please, continue.


10 years, and they still have not really made any money. And their hope for the future is based on, shall we say, hopeful sales projections.
 
2013-05-09 04:43:03 PM

NightOwl2255: Yes, driving a car without any oil is exactly the same as parking your car in a garage, coming back a couple months later and it's dead. $40k dead.


Both were expressly prohibited by the manufacturer, both were spelled out in detail in the owner's manual, and both resulted in expensive, non-warrantied damage. Completely different.
 
2013-05-09 04:43:20 PM

fatbear: Thrag: To be fair, there may be a very short term shorting opportunity as the price will no doubt suffer a correction soon if not tomorrow. It would be an incredibly risky move to try it.

Those two phrases don't belong together. One of them is wrong.


Why? To make money on a short you have to time it right. The price can correct but then recover and go higher again before the gain is realized. You don't just automatically make money the second the stock goes down. To try and short a stock that is gaining momentum on the expectation of a brief correction is indeed risky.
 
2013-05-09 04:45:08 PM

MrSteve007: Meanwhile, people like you will keep bleating on how it's impossible to do roadtrips in electric cars with only 75 a mile range.


It's funny how you have to make up excuses for how long and often you have to stop, and then make an ignorant statement like that. In a Civic, no stops, a few gallons of gas and you're there. Get real.
 
2013-05-09 04:46:05 PM

Farking Canuck: NightOwl2255: A car that has a limited range is limited. Deal with it.

Nobody is arguing that the range of this relatively new technology currently limited.

Why do you feel the need to make 40 posts about this well known point. And why do you need to point out that, in the past, on a previous model, there used to be a battery problem?

Should we be listing every problem that gas powered cars have ever had? Especially in their early days??

Oh that's right - despite your denials, you are anti-electric car and you seem to have a pathetic need to rant on the internet about it. And you are clearly not above posting out of date information ... which is dishonest.


Feel better?
 
2013-05-09 04:47:07 PM

NightOwl2255: Thrag: No, in this thread it is really just you who is the idiot. Loudly proclaiming your ignorance about business by thinking that a new technology startup taking years to turn a profit is somehow unusual or bad isn't exactly helping you. I've made a 60% gain in less than a month, you've made a fool of yourself. But please, continue.

10 years, and they still have not really made any money. And their hope for the future is based on, shall we say, hopeful sales projections.


Look, you do not need to continue to reinforce the fact you haven't a clue about business. We get it, you've made it more than obvious.

They just beat their hopeful sales projections by a huge margin. While that is no guarantee of the future, it carries more weight than ignorant naysaying.
 
2013-05-09 04:47:23 PM

NightOwl2255: Cyberluddite: They have a range of 250-300 miles depending on the battery and options

Wow, you really have laid it on. Are you on their payroll?
Tesla says the car can go 300 miles at 55 mph.
 [www.teslamotors.com image 425x341]

At 75, with no AC, you would be lucky to get 150 miles. Turn on the AC and I'm guessing it's closer to 125 (or less).

So, you leave the left coast on a trip across the country. You'll get a little over 100 miles before you need to recharge. Since there is nowhere to recharge, your trip is basically over. But on the upside, you only paid $100k.



Can you read your own graph there buddy? It's 200 miles at 80 mph for the Model S, and no comment on whether or not AC or other auxiliaries are on for that range. That's more than adequate for most of us metropolitan areas that want to drive a few days between charges, or plenty of range to drive up and down California using a single super-charger station along the way. My gasoline car doesn't get great mileage at 80 mph either, the range only being 350 mi or so... either way I'd have to stop once driving from LA to SF so yeah, wouldn't mind the S one bit. And who said anything about $100k? It's clearly $80k in the article  before tax credits.

Furthermore, If you buy ANY electric car with the intention of a road trip across the US today, you're a complete idiot. We're moving in the right direction but we're not that far yet, better off with the Volt at that point which has already made a 2000 mi venture from Detroit to Los Angeles for Motor Trend I believe.
 
2013-05-09 04:50:35 PM

NightOwl2255: Feel better?


Yes. I live to point out stupidity.

It was very satisfying to point the spotlight on you and your idiotic arguments.
 
2013-05-09 04:52:07 PM

Thrag: Look, you do not need to continue to reinforce the fact you haven't a clue about business. We get it, you've made it more than obvious.

They just beat their hopeful sales projections by a huge margin. While that is no guarantee of the future, it carries more weight than ignorant naysaying.


Feel better?
 
2013-05-09 04:54:39 PM

NightOwl2255: Thrag: Look, you do not need to continue to reinforce the fact you haven't a clue about business. We get it, you've made it more than obvious.

They just beat their hopeful sales projections by a huge margin. While that is no guarantee of the future, it carries more weight than ignorant naysaying.

Feel better?


Feel bitter?
 
2013-05-09 04:54:59 PM

Farking Canuck: Yes. I live to point out stupidity.


Must be a sad life.
 
2013-05-09 04:56:23 PM

Thrag: NightOwl2255: Thrag: Look, you do not need to continue to reinforce the fact you haven't a clue about business. We get it, you've made it more than obvious.

They just beat their hopeful sales projections by a huge margin. While that is no guarantee of the future, it carries more weight than ignorant naysaying.

Feel better?

Feel bitter?


Well, I have several frakers going ape shiat over their love of an inferior product. I feel pretty good.
 
2013-05-09 04:57:12 PM

NightOwl2255: Thrag: Look, you do not need to continue to reinforce the fact you haven't a clue about business. We get it, you've made it more than obvious.

They just beat their hopeful sales projections by a huge margin. While that is no guarantee of the future, it carries more weight than ignorant naysaying.

Feel better?


And I should add, fark yes, I do feel pretty good about seeing a 60% gain on a stock I've owned for less than a month.

How do you feel about wasting a good part of your day making a complete fool of yourself?
 
2013-05-09 04:57:17 PM

NightOwl2255: RyansPrivates: NightOwl2255: MrSteve007: So essentially, everything you stated is now wrong.

Damn, you do love you some Tesla, don't ya? That's okay. Did the guy's Tesla brick? Yes. Did Tesla refuse to fix it? Yes. Go on with your bad self.

Has someone not filled changed their oil as proscribed by the owners manuel?  Yes.  Do auto manufacturers refuse to fix burned out engines due to negligence?.  Yes.  Going on with my bad self now, cuz that's how I roll....

Yes, driving a car without any oil is exactly the same as parking your car in a garage, coming back a couple months later and it's dead. $40k dead.


There seems to be something wrong with you. The "$40k dead" point has been addressed over and over in this thread.

Why are you reluctant to say, "Ah. Okay. I'm glad they dealt with that," and then move on without returning to something which is not a current issue?

Likewise, with the 'range' point. If the car isn't suitable for 600 mile trips, don't take it on 600 mile trips. This is not complicated. For you, it would not be worth it. Okay. For most people with daily commutes in urban or semiurban environments, it seems perfectly adequate.

All that is coming across from you is that you don't like 'em. That's okay. The reasons you have given have been debunked. You're  perfectly entitled to have other reasons, of course, but at this stage you're only showing yourself to be quite irrational. In fact, your continued participation is an argument for electric cars, because the way you're approaching things is so wrong-headed that you're appearing willfully ignorant and unpersuasive.
 
2013-05-09 04:57:56 PM

Hella Fark: Can you read your own graph there buddy? It's 200 miles at 80 mph for the Model S, and no comment on whether or not AC or other auxiliaries are on for that range. That's more than adequate for most of us metropolitan areas that want to drive a few days between charges, or plenty of range to drive up and down California using a single super-charger station along the way. My gasoline car doesn't get great mileage at 80 mph either, the range only being 350 mi or so... either way I'd have to stop once driving from LA to SF so yeah, wouldn't mind the S one bit. And who said anything about $100k? It's clearly $80k in the article before tax credits.


And let's hope you have a lot of time to kill while the S charges, and that's if you can find a place to change it.
 
2013-05-09 04:59:27 PM

Thrag: Hollie Maea: NightOwl2255: Yeah, we're all idiots.

Here's an idea.  Why don't you just go short TSLA stock if you are so goddamn sure that they suck?

To be fair, there may be a very short term shorting opportunity as the price will no doubt suffer a correction soon if not tomorrow. It would be an incredibly risky move to try it.


I wouldn't be so sure of a correction.  There are still a ton of people in the market who shorted at $25.  If a bunch of them decide that they want to cut their losses before Elon brings the hammer down on them with the supercharger announcement (coming within a week), it could go up even farther in the next couple of days.  Elon has publicly said that he's going to make sure that the shorters lose their shirts.
 
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