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2013-05-09 02:22:07 PM  

Hollie Maea: MrSteve007: I'm thinking Tesla battery swaps. That would make sense, since their new warranty covers everything involving the battery.

I don't see them going down the battery swap road.  They should know better than that.


Yeah, I agree. Although, I can't technically figure out how they'd supply 85 kWh of juice to the battery in under 5 minutes, without: a. blacking out a couple city blocks and; b. blowing up the battery.
 
2013-05-09 02:22:08 PM  

majestic: Tesla outperforms the Porsche Carrera 4S


Google, how does it work?

2nd result.
 
2013-05-09 02:30:50 PM  

fatbear: majestic: Tesla outperforms the Porsche Carrera 4S

Google, how does it work?

2nd result.


Well, I assumed he was talking about the new model, not the roadster. Even so, you are talking about a 17 year old Porsche in that test. My truck outperforms a Ferrari!
 
2013-05-09 02:32:56 PM  
I would buy a Model S in a hot second if I had a garage.
(Teens in this neighborhood would steal that charging cable nightly.)
 
2013-05-09 02:36:20 PM  
http://www.fuelly.com/car/chevrolet/corvette

madgonad: FlashHarry: NightOwl2255: An uproar recently ignited on automotive blogs over a post about a Tesla Roadster whose battery needed replacement after its owner parked the car, low on charge and unplugged, for more than two months. The battery, which had fully discharged, could not be revived.

it sounds like the manual and whatnot stated that you shouldn't let the battery fully discharge, and yet this guy did just that. which would be like driving your car without oil. in any case, $30k for a battery does seem insane.

Costs for these batteries run around $500 per KWh. So an 85KWh being sold a $30k is actually a pretty good deal. They are either subsidizing a bit, or they have made good progress in getting battery costs down.

Remember, that means that the car itself costs over $50k without a battery - which is pretty damn expensive. You can buy a brand new Corvette, with an engine, for the cost of the car alone.


I'm pretty sure you can't buy the Corvette with all the trimmings for $50k to get it up to the luxury car level that Consumer Reports will gush over (although I think they are available now for less than the cost of the Tesla battery).  The big catch: close enough to vette mileage: 20mpg (source): number of gallons burned over 100,000 miles: 5000.  Miles available at $3.00/gal: 200,000, miles available at $6.00: 100,000.

Those numbers make me think that a hybrid with a much smaller battery makes sense (more like a volt than a prius, since priuses are more about optimizing the gas engine).  The tesla method means I'm paying roughly the same cost for a battery as the vette is paying for gas (assuming it lasts somewhere between 100k-200k), but then paying for electricity and (or not getting) interest on the battery.

If you go the volt method (hybrid that plugs in and heavily uses the battery) you should be able to dump half your miles on a battery that is 1/10th that.  The catch is right now you have to choose between strong electric range with a lousy gas engine (volt) or a great gas engine (mileagewise) that hates to use the battery (plug-in prius) and cars that are bad at both (pretty much every other hybrid out there).

Considering how much money is poured into iphones and androids, it shouldn't be a surprise that battery tech is booming.  Last I heard, Black & Decker no longer designs NiMH battery chargers because Li-ion batteries are too cheap (they will still build Ni-Cd ones, so it isn't all about selling a whole different array of spare batteries (at least not the chemistry change)).
 
2013-05-09 02:43:36 PM  
What a cute toy
 
2013-05-09 02:44:52 PM  

NightOwl2255: Cyberluddite: They have a range of 250-300 miles depending on the battery and options

Wow, you really have laid it on. Are you on their payroll?
Tesla says the car can go 300 miles at 55 mph.
 [www.teslamotors.com image 425x341]

At 75, with no AC, you would be lucky to get 150 miles. Turn on the AC and I'm guessing it's closer to 125 (or less).

So, you leave the left coast on a trip across the country. You'll get a little over 100 miles before you need to recharge. Since there is nowhere to recharge, your trip is basically over. But on the upside, you only paid $100k.


You realize any car will have a similar curve for range vs speed?  I don't know why you feel the need to point out that going faster decreases your range, when it's not unique to electric cars.  These are not cross country vehicles, they are (incredibly fun) commuter vehicles.  Are they economical vs gasoline cars currently?  Definitely not.  But the technology is getting there.  And it's certainly a better investment than the midlife crisis vettes that seem oh so popular.  Probably get driven further, too.
 
2013-05-09 02:49:39 PM  

flaminio: In the Bay Area, I see Nissan Leafs all the time, and a Model S at least two or three times a day. Part of the reason is the little white sticker that lets you use the HOV lane. But since most families around here have two cars, it makes perfect sense to have an electric commuter and a gas powered long range cruiser.

Or, you could have only the electric, and the times you need to take a road trip, rent. As gas prices increase, this is a viable financial model.


Some neighbors of a family member have a Nissan Leaf and a Chevy Traverse. Was talking with them last week since I'm also thinking about a Leaf as a second car. He said that his dad got foaming-at-the-mouth mad, claiming that if there was an emergency they'd be trapped with the 80 to 100 mile range of the Leaf. Somehow his dad couldn't grasp the concept that the Traverse was right there and has an almost 600 mile range on a single tank of gas.

/His dad sounds derpy
 
2013-05-09 02:50:34 PM  

MrSteve007: Although, I can't technically figure out how they'd supply 85 kWh of juice to the battery in under 5 minutes, without: a. blacking out a couple city blocks and; b. blowing up the battery.


Eh, what's a megawatt of power between friends. (I work at a solar factory that has 90 crystal pullers, so that's not much power around here.  At some rest area in Bumfark, AR it might take some infrastructure upgrades).  But yeah 12C isn't going to be good for the batteries.  He should forget about trying to make it exactly like a gas station and just plaster the country with 250kW chargers.  Those could charge the 85kW pack at 3C, which the batteries CAN take, and no one would care if it were as fast as a gas station, since you hardly ever would need to use it.
 
2013-05-09 02:50:40 PM  
tl;dr car is awesome, range excellent, charge time fast, luxury car's existence today makes affordable car possible tomorrow

************

I drive the car, and I love it. There are a few misunderstandings in this thread.

First, if you have the High Powered Wall Connector for your garage, and the twin chargers, you can do a full charge (0 range to 285 rated) in about 3.5 hours. For typical daily use... figure 50 miles... you can fully recharge in under an hour.

I plug the car in at night. In the morning, full charge. Every day.

I routinely drive 75-80, and my effective range on a standard (90% capacity) charge is about 175 miles. Using AC has almost zero impact. Curiously, it's the heat that reduces your range the most. I'm in SoCal, so that's usually not an issue. And the seat warmers can keep you very warm without any significant impact on your range.

The "you can brick your battery!" thing is baloney. As many have pointed out, the car won't let you do that anymore. And even if you somehow managed to do it anyway, they'll replace the battery for you free of charge. As far as I know, there are zero examples of this actually happening in the wild with a Tesla Model S.

This is a great car. Obviously it's not for everyone. It's very expensive. Not sure why this generates anger for Tesla, but car lust for BMW, Audi, Bentley, etc. Anger about the politics of it all? Look, I don't care about saving the planet. I just like driving a great car. And I think Tesla is running their company extremely well. They're paying back their loan, they're profitable at long last, and I believe they are the next great American business success story.

There will come a day soon where Tesla manufactures a great electric car in the 30-50K price range. Tesla can't get there without being profitable first, and proving the technology. They've done both with the Model S.
 
2013-05-09 02:51:08 PM  

Rezurok: Are they economical vs gasoline cars currently? Definitely not. But the technology is getting there.


Well, most reviewers say that the Tesla S outperforms and is more comfortable than comparable luxury sedans, so yeah, I'd say that model is economical to its competitors.

And as I'd pointed out in similar threads, I spend less on the fuel (electricity) + $199 monthly lease on a Leaf than I spend simply putting gas into my former 20mpg daily driver & commuting 56 miles a day.

In my position, it's the gasoline car that isn't as economical as the EV.
 
2013-05-09 02:51:57 PM  

MrSteve007: Elon Musk's cryptic tweet a couple hours ago . . . "There is a way for the Tesla Model S to be recharged throughout the country faster than you could fill a gas tank."

I'm thinking Tesla battery swaps. That would make sense, since their new warranty covers everything involving the battery.


Have you seen the batteries on the Model S?  You'd have to disassemble the entire underside of the car in order to swap the battery.

Night Night Cream Puff: Now the question that needs to really be asked is, what is the posted speed limit of that road? Honest question. I don't live in CA so I have no idea what those roads are like. Going 52 in a posted 50 zone is fine. Conversely going 52 in a posted 65 is just stupid.


Most freeways have posted speed limits of either 55 or (occasionally) 65, but when traffic isn't too heavy many people ignore them and drive in excess of 70.
 
2013-05-09 02:56:00 PM  

NightOwl2255: Cyberluddite: Real world experience trumps whatever else you might pull out of your ass.

You really are a dick, huh? No worries, lots of them on here.

As for my ass, you seem infatuated with it, here's where I pulled it out of:

[www.teslamotors.com image 425x341]

According to Tesla, with no AC, under optimal circumstances, you might get 225 at 75mph. And that's running it down to empty, hope you don't run into any traffic. Hope you can find a place to sit around while it recharges. Turn on the radio? Less miles. Turn on the AC? A lot less miles.


Are you a little slow?  You can't quote the mileage for 75mph and then say "hope you don't run into traffic".  You do realize what traffic does, right?  Protip:  It doesn't mean you keep driving at 75mph and not move anywhere.  It means you slow down and your mileage increases as a result of going slower.  If you stop, guess how much power an electric car uses?  And a radio?  Do you have any idea how long a car radio runs on a typical shiatty lead acid battery?  Do you honestly think that's even slightly relevant to your mileage with an 85Wh battery?  The only valid point you make is the AC, but even then if we assume it's around 12000 BTUs, which would translate to around 1KW at typical efficiencies, you're talking a a 3-4% reduction in mileage over the duration of a charge if driven at 75mph.  So about a 7-9 mile difference?  Holy shiat, how will I* ever get anywhere on time agan?!

*I wish I could afford this, this is the royal I.  There's a royal I, right?
 
2013-05-09 02:56:04 PM  

MrSteve007: In my position, it's the gasoline car that isn't as economical as the EV.


Don't lie.  You know you commute 200+ miles across open desert each way to your job as a ranch hand and, when you arrive, have to haul a 12,000 lb. trailer up a 7% grade several miles.

You know, just like most Americans.
 
2013-05-09 03:00:28 PM  

Rezurok: 85kWh


Missed by 3 orders of magnitude...I know what I meant!
 
2013-05-09 03:01:08 PM  

tricycleracer: Don't lie.  You know you commute 200+ miles across open desert each way to your job as a ranch hand and, when you arrive, have to haul a 12,000 lb. trailer up a 7% grade several miles.

You know, just like most Americans.


Have you ever noticed that (if you believe pickup truck ads) every body of water big enough to drive a big old boat around in is always at the top of a huge mountain?
 
2013-05-09 03:01:42 PM  

UnspokenVoice: Except isn't the story not true if they are actually covered under warranty?


People with a Tesla Roadster that bricked the battery did not get them replaced under warranty.
 
2013-05-09 03:02:59 PM  
Hurr durr. Something new ... must attack it!!!!

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
- Isaac  Asimov
 
2013-05-09 03:03:24 PM  

UnspokenVoice: You, yourself, posted a picture earlier that indicated the chargers are in three states. The only substantial difference between the two numbers is the degree to which it indicates your ability to be dishonest.

Why are you lying?


Guy claimed they were "all over the place". So, they are in 3 states, not 2. You got me! I'm a liar. Any hate for the guy clam they are all over the place? Why not?
 
2013-05-09 03:05:04 PM  

Hollie Maea: tricycleracer: Don't lie.  You know you commute 200+ miles across open desert each way to your job as a ranch hand and, when you arrive, have to haul a 12,000 lb. trailer up a 7% grade several miles.

You know, just like most Americans.

Have you ever noticed that (if you believe pickup truck ads) every body of water big enough to drive a big old boat around in is always at the top of a huge mountain?


I know when I load up the wife and our 5 kids and 3 dogs, I always take the boat up to  Lake Titicaca.  I bet you shove in at sea level like some sort of rube.
 
2013-05-09 03:05:21 PM  

MrSteve007: Rezurok: Are they economical vs gasoline cars currently? Definitely not. But the technology is getting there.

Well, most reviewers say that the Tesla S outperforms and is more comfortable than comparable luxury sedans, so yeah, I'd say that model is economical to its competitors.

And as I'd pointed out in similar threads, I spend less on the fuel (electricity) + $199 monthly lease on a Leaf than I spend simply putting gas into my former 20mpg daily driver & commuting 56 miles a day.

In my position, it's the gasoline car that isn't as economical as the EV.


I can understand that, but I'm not really considering amenities here...just cost of car + gas vs cost of tesla + electricity.  You'd have to drive hundreds of thousands of miles to ever make up the difference in cost with even the most notorious of gas guzzlers.  My car was 23k and gets 40mpg...the miles required to "even out" assuming free electricity and $4 gas is....570,000 miles.  So I won't be writing a check just yet, though I wish I could :p
 
2013-05-09 03:05:33 PM  

Parkanzky: NightOwl2255: According to Tesla, with no AC, under optimal circumstances, you might get 225 at 75mph. And that's running it down to empty, hope you don't run into any traffic. Hope you can find a place to sit around while it recharges. Turn on the radio? Less miles. Turn on the AC? A lot less miles.

The radio isn't going to meaningfully impact your range.  The AC will, of course.  But traffic actually increases your range.  The rules are different for electric cars...


The point is, every thing you would normally do in a normal car, radio, lights, AC, speed up to pass, go 75-80 all contributes to a reduced range.
 
2013-05-09 03:06:59 PM  
I love the anti-electric car people who think they're some sort of affront to God an/or are un-American.
 
2013-05-09 03:07:51 PM  

BHShaman: NightOwl2255:

Poor analogy is poor.

No, it is completely the right analogy.
Tesla got a LOAN, at rates agreeable to both parties, and they are paying it back in full on the schedule agreed upon. Unlike my bank loan on my house, the Gov. also sees secondary benefits like; other automakers being pressured to keep up, e-stations being built around the country to meet the demand, and future capable technologies that larger auto makers might see as cutting into their core business (gas powered transportation).

Unless Gov is paying for the facilities which Tesla uses, without any amount of compensation.....
Telsa is not at all like a person requiring housing assistance via Section 8.

Next argument from you will probably be about ObamaCell....

Last post from me in this dialog.  Out


Way to ignore the subsides. I bet you're out. Ass.
 
2013-05-09 03:08:14 PM  

mjohnson71: I love the anti-electric car people who think they're some sort of affront to God an/or are un-American.


Yeah, I don't get that either. They definitely have their place. Not as versatile as a gas jobbie yet, but the technology is improving.
 
2013-05-09 03:09:55 PM  

mjohnson71: I love the anti-electric car people who think they're some sort of affront to God an/or are un-American.


There really aren't that many of them.  They are just really loud.

/I do my best to be loud back.
 
2013-05-09 03:10:20 PM  
NightOwl2255:

The point is, for every car, every thing you would normally do in a normal car, radio, lights, AC, speed up to pass, go 75-80 all contributes to a reduced range.

FTFY.
 
2013-05-09 03:11:55 PM  

majestic: fatbear: majestic: Tesla outperforms the Porsche Carrera 4S

Google, how does it work?

2nd result.

Well, I assumed he was talking about the new model, not the roadster. Even so, you are talking about a 17 year old Porsche in that test. My truck outperforms a Ferrari!


You asked, the internet answered. No point biatching just because you don't like the answer.
 
2013-05-09 03:12:19 PM  
This is for our resident "concern troll" NightOwl.

mestadelsbilder.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-09 03:13:00 PM  
Slowly we turn...
Bit by bit
Inch by inch
Step by step


/y'all a bunch of stooges.
 
2013-05-09 03:14:21 PM  

mjohnson71: I love the anti-electric car people who think they're some sort of affront to God an/or are un-American.


While I'm not anti-electric car, I do see they have a major flaw. They have a limited range, and worse yet, at the end of that range, you are SOL till you get a recharge. And right now, that takes hours, and that's if you can find a recharge station. Unless you find one of the 9 places that Tesla will recharge it (not fully) in 30 minutes. It simply is inferior.
 
2013-05-09 03:16:22 PM  

NightOwl2255: mjohnson71: I love the anti-electric car people who think they're some sort of affront to God an/or are un-American.

While I'm not anti-electric car, I do see they have a major flaw. They have a limited range, and worse yet, at the end of that range, you are SOL till you get a recharge. And right now, that takes hours, and that's if you can find a recharge station. Unless you find one of the 9 places that Tesla will recharge it (not fully) in 30 minutes. It simply is inferior.


In that one aspect?  Granted.  Now, about every other aspect...
 
2013-05-09 03:21:07 PM  

Rezurok: NightOwl2255: mjohnson71: I love the anti-electric car people who think they're some sort of affront to God an/or are un-American.

While I'm not anti-electric car, I do see they have a major flaw. They have a limited range, and worse yet, at the end of that range, you are SOL till you get a recharge. And right now, that takes hours, and that's if you can find a recharge station. Unless you find one of the 9 places that Tesla will recharge it (not fully) in 30 minutes. It simply is inferior.

In that one aspect?  Granted.  Now, about every other aspect...


Well, that fact a car can't go is aspect numbers 1-99. That's why hybrids are the way to go until they find a way to remedy the range\recharge issue.
 
2013-05-09 03:22:50 PM  

NightOwl2255: Unless you find one of the 9 places that Tesla will recharge it (not fully) in 30 minutes.


Wait a week.  The Supercharger network is about to get a huge upgrade.
 
2013-05-09 03:23:24 PM  

NightOwl2255: UnspokenVoice: Except isn't the story not true if they are actually covered under warranty?

People with a Tesla Roadster that bricked the battery did not get them replaced under warranty.


So it is no longer true as it is now covered under warranty. Got it.

NightOwl2255: UnspokenVoice: You, yourself, posted a picture earlier that indicated the chargers are in three states. The only substantial difference between the two numbers is the degree to which it indicates your ability to be dishonest.

Why are you lying?

Guy claimed they were "all over the place". So, they are in 3 states, not 2. You got me! I'm a liar. Any hate for the guy clam they are all over the place? Why not?


No, you posted an image that showed the charging stations in three states. You later claimed that they were only in three states. Coupled with your earlier claim:

NightOwl2255: At 75, with no AC, you would be lucky to get 150 miles.


Your own posted chart indicates that it would be about a 225 mile range unless you suddenly wish to change the reference vehicle, I will quote you using the other numbers here:

NightOwl2255: Tesla says the car can go 300 miles at 55 mph.


And your rather absurd accusation here:

NightOwl2255: So, you leave the left coast on a trip across the country. You'll get a little over 100 miles before you need to recharge.


We have established a pattern of dishonesty which is actually my subject and is the entirety of my point.

I am, on the other hand, a fan of the Tesla company and the products that they make and willingly point that out. My only concern, with this thread, is your passionate dishonesty and what your motives are. I hope you're at least getting paid to be dishonest online. Doing it for free seems a bit much if you ask me.
 
2013-05-09 03:23:29 PM  
C$50K/300mile.  That's the magic numbers for my needs since I'm always going to customer sites (50K km a year).  If someone can get me an EV off the lot at C$50K (with an honest 300 mile range) it'll break even with my current $25K four-cylinder car in about 6 years (assuming maintenance and insurance is comparable).  Since I usually keep cars 10 years it becomes such a no-brainer the wife won't even be able to argue with.
 
2013-05-09 03:26:18 PM  

Hollie Maea: NightOwl2255: Unless you find one of the 9 places that Tesla will recharge it (not fully) in 30 minutes.

Wait a week.  The Supercharger network is about to get a huge upgrade.


From Tesla: Tesla Superchargers are placed along well-traveled routes in North America. Nine stations are currently active, expanding to over 100 stations in 2015.
How many gas stations are they? How long does it take to fill a tank?
 
2013-05-09 03:27:56 PM  
Correction: You later claimed they were only in two states.
 
2013-05-09 03:30:30 PM  

NightOwl2255: The point is, every thing you would normally do in a normal car, radio, lights, AC, speed up to pass, go 75-80 all contributes to a reduced range.


Here's a newsflash.  They also reduce the range of a gasoline powered car.

/I'll stop feeding the troll now, promise.
 
2013-05-09 03:30:32 PM  

NightOwl2255: Hollie Maea: NightOwl2255: Unless you find one of the 9 places that Tesla will recharge it (not fully) in 30 minutes.

Wait a week.  The Supercharger network is about to get a huge upgrade.

From Tesla: Tesla Superchargers are placed along well-traveled routes in North America. Nine stations are currently active, expanding to over 100 stations in 2015.
How many gas stations are they? How long does it take to fill a tank?


How many people have a gas station at home and can start every day with a full tank?
 
2013-05-09 03:31:21 PM  

trackerbri: (assuming maintenance and insurance is comparable)


That's just the thing: maintenance on a EV is pretty much zero, except maybe for windshield wiper fluid and blades. No oil changes or tuneups or emissions tests. I think MrSteve007 was extolling this virtue of EVs a few weeks ago.
 
2013-05-09 03:31:51 PM  

NightOwl2255: How many gas stations are they? How long does it take to fill a tank?


How often to your start the day with a full gas tank?

I have had an electric car for 6 months.  My car has a range of 80-100 miles, but I have only used a public charger twice so far.  If I has the 250 mile range of a Model S, I would not yet have used any charging except at home.

You imagine slow charging being a big deal, because you have to stop for gas every week.   But if your gas tank were magically full every morning, how often would you give a shiat how many gas stations there are?

A sufficient charging network will require much much fewer fast chargers than gas stations, since they will only be used on very long trips. Yes, we know that you can't yet drive these things to Nebraska, but like I said...wait a week.
 
2013-05-09 03:35:01 PM  

NightOwl2255: mjohnson71: I love the anti-electric car people who think they're some sort of affront to God an/or are un-American.

While I'm not anti-electric car, I do see they have a major flaw. They have a limited range, and worse yet, at the end of that range, you are SOL till you get a recharge. And right now, that takes hours, and that's if you can find a recharge station. Unless you find one of the 9 places that Tesla will recharge it (not fully) in 30 minutes. It simply is inferior.


This is exactly the same argument people made about the first iPhone.

"Nobody will buy them.  There's no SD slot, removable battery or physical keyboard.  They're going to be a failure."

They have different limitations than gasoline cars.  For some people, that's no big deal.  For others, it doesn't work out and they just don't buy an electric car.

For instance, my wife and I have four cars.  A Tesla S would be a neat replacement for one of them and would work really well for us on our ~50 mile round-trip commute and even trips to neighboring cities to visit friends and family.  If we needed to suddently make a 400 mile drive we wouldn't be SOL, we'd just be driving a different car.
 
2013-05-09 03:36:00 PM  

fatbear: majestic: fatbear: majestic: Tesla outperforms the Porsche Carrera 4S

Google, how does it work?

2nd result.

Well, I assumed he was talking about the new model, not the roadster. Even so, you are talking about a 17 year old Porsche in that test. My truck outperforms a Ferrari!

You asked, the internet answered. No point biatching just because you don't like the answer.


Hey, friendo, go fark yourself.
 
2013-05-09 03:37:00 PM  

UnspokenVoice: So it is no longer true as it is now covered under warranty. Got it.


But was true. Got it.

UnspokenVoice: No, you posted an image that showed the charging stations in three states. You later claimed that they were only in three states. Coupled with your earlier claim:


Yes, I posted a big ol picture showing they were in 3 states, not "all over the place" as the Farker claimed (why don't you take issue with his dishonesty?)  and I said they were in two. Does that sound like the action of someone that is willful lying? Posting a large picture? Damn, you make no sense.

UnspokenVoice: We have established a pattern of dishonesty which is actually my subject and is the entirety of my point.


In your mind, maybe. Again, the Farker claimed it's range was 250-300 miles. Sure, if you drive 55, no AC, flat land. I pointed out, correctly, that in the real world, it's range is a lot less. And and at higher, i.e., normal highway speeds, it's much less. It's funny that you accuse me of being dishonest when I'm posting info directly from Tesla.
 
2013-05-09 03:38:47 PM  

Parkanzky: Here's a newsflash. They also reduce the range of a gasoline powered car.


And when that car needs gas, does it take 3-4-5 hours to fill up? Do you have to hope you can find somewhere to fill up?
 
2013-05-09 03:39:30 PM  

mak3_7up_y0urs: How many people have a gas station at home and can start every day with a full tank?


And your point?
 
2013-05-09 03:41:42 PM  
I might come off as some kind of hippie communist liberal scum....but how is the government giving loans and tax breaks to green companies a bad thing?

Companies that actually might help get us off the oil tit and stop doing business with asswipe Islamic fundamentalists and other people who hate us? Companies that might develop the technology to reduce carbon emissions so climate change won't destroy the planet? Companies that hire American workers? How do we lose investing in technology in the long run?
 
2013-05-09 03:44:00 PM  

NightOwl2255: Parkanzky: Here's a newsflash. They also reduce the range of a gasoline powered car.

And when that car needs gas, does it take 3-4-5 hours to fill up? Do you have to hope you can find somewhere to fill up?


This is really simple.  One limitation of an electric car is that it has a limited range.  If you cannot deal with that constraint, then you have the option of purchasing a car with a traditional internal combustion engine.  However, many people don't find the range to be a limitation for their use.  I would be happy owning an electric car with a ~175 mile range.  It wouldn't inconvenience me.  If that doesn't work for you, buy something else.

Why all the electric car rage when you clearly don't have a dog in the fight and it's obvious that lots of people have purchased them and are happy with their purchase?
 
2013-05-09 03:44:21 PM  

Parkanzky: For instance, my wife and I have four cars. A Tesla S would be a neat replacement for one of them and would work really well for us on our ~50 mile round-trip commute and even trips to neighboring cities to visit friends and family. If we needed to suddently make a 400 mile drive we wouldn't be SOL, we'd just be driving a different car.


You make a good point. All 4 cars you have now would make that 400 mile trip, no problem (I assume they are gas drinkers and are not junk). The problem is, your $80k Tesla (or any electric car), simply can't in the same manner as a Honda Accord. A car that can't go a few hundred miles is a limited car.
 
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