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(BBC)   The 3-D gun has already hit 100,000 downloads. Hospitals brace for a rise is finger and hand loss   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 226
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2013-05-09 09:16:55 AM  
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2013-05-09 09:38:48 AM  
3-D Printing is our future.  And our future appears to be even more heavily armed.
 
2013-05-09 09:46:24 AM  
Yeah, I think I see the ghost of Charles Darwin sitting over there eating the ghost of a box of popcorn.
 
2013-05-09 09:57:10 AM  
You want to know the real reason for the 100,000 downloads?

www.saysuncle.com
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-09 09:58:23 AM  
i wonder how many shots it can take before bursting?  And does it just split open or shatter into fragments?
 
2013-05-09 10:01:12 AM  
you know someone is going to design a firing pin for this thing, to fit invisibly  into a custom belt buckle, that will be undetectable when it goes through a scanner. i figure there's a good bit of sales out there for people that would like to get one of these into a courtroom / airliner / hospital / school/ political rally.....

watch for an increase in second amendment solutions
 
2013-05-09 10:15:39 AM  
$8000 for the printer? This isn't a great investment.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-09 10:16:56 AM  

vudutek: you know someone is going to design a firing pin for this thing, to fit invisibly  into a custom belt buckle, that will be undetectable when it goes through a scanner. i figure there's a good bit of sales out there for people that would like to get one of these into a courtroom / airliner / hospital / school/ political rally.....

watch for an increase in second amendment solutions


Well, we just need to make sure that everyone in courtrooms, airliners, hospitals and schools has a gun.

problem solved.
 
2013-05-09 10:26:53 AM  

vpb: vudutek: you know someone is going to design a firing pin for this thing, to fit invisibly  into a custom belt buckle, that will be undetectable when it goes through a scanner. i figure there's a good bit of sales out there for people that would like to get one of these into a courtroom / airliner / hospital / school/ political rally.....

watch for an increase in second amendment solutions

Well, we just need to make sure that everyone in courtrooms, airliners, hospitals and schools has a gun.

problem solved.


ban children, all problems solved in 2 - 3 generations.
 
2013-05-09 11:22:20 AM  

vpb: i wonder how many shots it can take before bursting?  And does it just split open or shatter into fragments?


They got it to fire 10 rounds:

Many skeptics (include commenters on this blog) have claimed that no plastic gun could ever handle the pressure and heat of detonating an ammunition cartridge without deforming or exploding. But Defense Distributed's design has done just that. After the test-firing I witnessed, Wilson showed me a video of an ABS plastic barrel the group printed attached to a non-printed gun body firing ten rounds of .380 ammunition before breaking on the eleventh.

That's OK, though:  Basically, this is like the Wright Flyer of printed guns.  Sure, it's primitive and likely to injure the user, but it's a start, not an end, and remember that just66 years separated the first powered flight and people landing on the Moon.

With improved materials and techniques, they will only get better and better.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-09 11:27:55 AM  
dittybopper:

With improved materials and techniques, they will only get better and better.

Sure, when he gets a 3D printer that can print metal.  Or a lathe.
 
2013-05-09 11:33:57 AM  
will metal detectors detect these plastic 3d guns or are we all screwed?
 
2013-05-09 11:41:59 AM  

vpb: dittybopper:

With improved materials and techniques, they will only get better and better.

Sure, when he gets a 3D printer that can print metal.


They have those, you know.

But aside from that, I can think of a number of ways to possibly improve the reliability and longevity of the design.

One is to simply make single-shot muzzleloading barrels that can be popped in an out quickly.  You could carry a bunch of pre-loaded, already capped barrels (nipples recessed into the barrel for safety, so a loaded capped barrel that is dropped won't fire).  This also solves a number of problems, both legal and technical:

1. Using relatively large bullets and black powder or a black powder substitute keeps pressures low enough to extend barrel life while still maintaining adequate lethality.

2. Making it a muzzleloader means that you can make it a smoothbore without any worry about it being an NFA weapon that needs to be registered (specifically, an 'Any Other Weapon').

3. Making it a muzzleloader means that you don't have to include a chunk of metal to make it detectable for it to be legal, as muzzleloaders are exempt from the statute that bans "undetectable guns".
 
2013-05-09 11:43:03 AM  

SlothB77: will metal detectors detect these plastic 3d guns or are we all screwed?


www.geeked.info

zzap
 
2013-05-09 11:43:30 AM  

dittybopper: 1. Using relatively large bullets and black powder or a black powder substitute keeps pressures low enough to extend barrel life while still maintaining adequate lethality.


Another benefit to this is that  you can 'load it down' for practice, further extending the life of the barrel, without having to reload your own ammunition.
 
2013-05-09 11:51:40 AM  

SlothB77: will metal detectors detect these plastic 3d guns or are we all screwed?


were all screwed. Invest in Kevlar.
 
2013-05-09 11:58:50 AM  
You'll shoot your eye out.
 
2013-05-09 12:25:59 PM  

quickdraw: SlothB77: will metal detectors detect these plastic 3d guns or are we all screwed?

were all screwed. Invest in Kevlar.


1) Design an ABS plastic bulletproof vest.
2) Sell design to 3D hobbyists.
3) Profit.

Wait...I found #2!

Wait...no one will buy it.
 
2013-05-09 12:45:10 PM  

bdub77: quickdraw: SlothB77: will metal detectors detect these plastic 3d guns or are we all screwed?

were all screwed. Invest in Kevlar.

1) Design an ABS plastic bulletproof vest.
2) Sell design to 3D hobbyists.
3) Profit.

Wait...I found #2!

Wait...no one will buy it.


Mainly because it's free.
 
2013-05-09 12:51:45 PM  

vudutek: you know someone is going to design a firing pin for this thing, to fit invisibly  into a custom belt buckle, that will be undetectable when it goes through a scanner. i figure there's a good bit of sales out there for people that would like to get one of these into a courtroom / airliner / hospital / school/ political rally.....


The  firing pin is actually just a small nail. It's nowhere near large enough to trigger a metal detector. It wouldn't be hard to conceal it either: any metal rod with a pointy but rounded nose would work... crochet needles, chopsticks, fork tines, etc. all fit the profile, and could possibly serve as the firing pin itself.

This gun actually has 6 ounces of steel embedded in it so as to not run afoul of federal gun laws, which is all you'd need to remove to make it invisible.

The problem with getting this particular gun someplace sensitive isn't the metal detector, it's the bulk. It's significantly larger than the user's fist. You'd have to carry it in a bag or bring it in by pieces, but if you're willing to go to those lengths you just as well might smuggle in a real gun.
 
2013-05-09 01:06:09 PM  

vpb: dittybopper:

With improved materials and techniques, they will only get better and better.

Sure, when he gets a 3D printer that can print metal.  Or a lathe.


It's like these people have never heard of zip guns...
 
2013-05-09 01:06:38 PM  
I'll use my finger ... pew, pew, pew ...
 
2013-05-09 01:07:44 PM  
It only fires .380.

So expect some stitches in fingers/hands and maybe some eye damage from flying plastic.

I am looking forward to the video on Youtube when someone upscales this to fire 00 buckshot
 
2013-05-09 01:08:50 PM  
Simple solution - we need the ban the third dimension RIGHT NOW!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
 
2013-05-09 01:10:47 PM  
Yeahhhhhh..... $8000 printer for 10 shots in .380 auto. You could buy 80 mosin nagants for that, or 5-12 ARs, or 20 Aks, or 16 glocks, or 20 1911s, or 10 M-1s.
 
2013-05-09 01:10:55 PM  
I can't believe you grammar Nazis haven't jumped on this already.

www.partycrashertshirts.com
 
2013-05-09 01:11:24 PM  
Gun control nuts:  Don't like this and/or modern guns?  Too bad, they're not going anywhere and it's our right to have them.  Deal with it.
 
2013-05-09 01:12:46 PM  

ladyfortuna: vpb: dittybopper:

With improved materials and techniques, they will only get better and better.

Sure, when he gets a 3D printer that can print metal.  Or a lathe.

It's like these people have never heard of zip guns...


Given the community that has these printers at hand, we're probably looking more at tar.gz guns.
 
2013-05-09 01:13:36 PM  
Considering the shooter had his finger on the trigger during almost the entire video, the hospitals better brace for missing toes and lower leg injuries.

What a farking tool. Demonstrating to hundreds of millions of people how to make a gun then blow your foot off with it.  He's an example of why gun control laws need to be enacted. With enemies like him...
 
2013-05-09 01:16:08 PM  

ladyfortuna: vpb: dittybopper:

With improved materials and techniques, they will only get better and better.

Sure, when he gets a 3D printer that can print metal.  Or a lathe.

It's like these people have never heard of zip guns...


that's the dumb part of this, any amateur metal worker could make a single shot gun
 
2013-05-09 01:16:54 PM  

dittybopper: dittybopper: 1. Using relatively large bullets and black powder or a black powder substitute keeps pressures low enough to extend barrel life while still maintaining adequate lethality.

Another benefit to this is that  you can 'load it down' for practice, further extending the life of the barrel, without having to reload your own ammunition.


Or you could just admit this is a gimmick that we wouldn't even be talking about if it weren't for the continuing gun control debate. Be honest with yourself for once. If there were not a shiat load of paranoid halfwits screaming about uncle Sam cumin to take our guns this thing would be a farking joke to any serious firearms enthusiasts.

The only thing this is good for is a cheap untraceable throw away weapon. it will never be worth a crab as a target shooting gun. It will never be a viable hunting weapon. I could see it serving in a limited capacity as a self defense weapon. But even then I would much rather have a $200 shotgun. Where this little piece of crap really shines is committing crimes. You don't even need to try and destroy it or hide it after you shoot someone in the face. Just drop it after you do it since its untraceable.
 
2013-05-09 01:17:45 PM  

iheartscotch: Yeahhhhhh..... $8000 printer for 10 shots in .380 auto. You could buy 80 mosin nagants for that, or 5-12 ARs, or 20 Aks, or 16 glocks, or 20 1911s, or 10 M-1s.


Like I pointed out, this is the Wright Flyer of printed guns:  Barely capable of doing what it needs to do to qualify in it's category.  The first is always impractical.
 
2013-05-09 01:19:03 PM  

robertmeerdahl: ladyfortuna: vpb: dittybopper:

With improved materials and techniques, they will only get better and better.

Sure, when he gets a 3D printer that can print metal.  Or a lathe.

It's like these people have never heard of zip guns...

that's the dumb part of this, any amateur metal worker could make a single shot gun


The idea is that this is something that you don't even have to be an amateur metal worker to do.  It's "push button, out pops gun" type stuff.
 
2013-05-09 01:20:07 PM  
Assuming these things actually do shatter or explode after a few shots, isn't public safety reason enough to ban them?
 
2013-05-09 01:21:43 PM  

sammyk: Or you could just admit this is a gimmick that we wouldn't even be talking about if it weren't for the continuing gun control debate.


The Wright Flyer was a gimmick also.  Totally impractical, barely capable of flight, and it's just plain dumb luck that neither Orville or Wilbur were killed or seriously injured flying it.

But less than 40 years later, we had jets.  Twenty-five years after that, we were walking on the Moon.
 
2013-05-09 01:24:40 PM  
Hm, let's see....spend $8K on a printer to make a 10 shot .380.....OR, go down to gunshop and for less than $500 and an hour waiting for the background check, walk out with a 9 mm that is capable of pumping out 10K rounds without a problem?

It just always amazes me how man has to keep up with new and inovative ways to make new murder weapons - if we put all the time and energy we spend on farking around with guns, gun laws and the associated BS [I'm talking about the hoooragh over gun laws,etc., not regular shooters doing what sportsman have done for a long time] we would be on Mars by now.

See, I'm an old enough farker to remember when they came out with the Glock - and the hooraugh over how it was "Plastic" and would be about to "be snuck onto airplanes".  Never happened - even my most plastic firearm has a good pound of metal in it, and the entire exterior of the gun is plastics [look up the top line FNH stuff, it's amazing].  There's no way to use it without the metal barrel, etc.

We are going to see all sorts of this stuff happening as the 3D printer becomes all the rage and everyone becomes a manufacturer/designer - I think it would be a good time to invest in the manufacturers of the feed stock for these printers, those guys are going to make BANK suppling every computer nerd who want to make his own Ipod case....or whatever.

/When 3D printers are outlawed
//out Outlaws will have 3D printers
///That's how that meme goes, right?
 
2013-05-09 01:25:41 PM  

pedrop357: Gun control nuts:  Don't like this and/or modern guns?  Too bad, they're not going anywhere and it's our right to have them.  Deal with it.


We are going to deal with it. We are patient. We have the vast majority. Every time another shooting incident occurs we gain more public support and more power.

Deal with it.
 
2013-05-09 01:27:04 PM  

SlothB77: will metal detectors detect these plastic 3d guns or are we all screwed?


Is the bullet plastic?  I would bet you would catch the bullet before getting on a plane.
 
2013-05-09 01:27:48 PM  

Old enough to know better: Assuming these things actually do shatter or explode after a few shots, isn't public safety reason enough to ban them?


You can make all sorts of things at home that will explode and hurt you.  I really don't think we need to come up with an exhaustive list.
 
2013-05-09 01:28:06 PM  

vudutek: you know someone is going to design a firing pin for this thing, to fit invisibly  into a custom belt buckle, that will be undetectable when it goes through a scanner. i figure there's a good bit of sales out there for people that would like to get one of these into a courtroom / airliner / hospital / school/ political rally.....

watch for an increase in second amendment solutions


The ammo will still be metallic.
 
2013-05-09 01:28:25 PM  

dittybopper: robertmeerdahl: ladyfortuna: vpb: dittybopper:

With improved materials and techniques, they will only get better and better.

Sure, when he gets a 3D printer that can print metal.  Or a lathe.

It's like these people have never heard of zip guns...

that's the dumb part of this, any amateur metal worker could make a single shot gun

The idea is that this is something that you don't even have to be an amateur metal worker to do.  It's "push button, out pops gun" type stuff.


push a button, out pops a bunch of gun bits that need to be filed and fitted

most people i know cant pull off a basic model kit
 
2013-05-09 01:29:18 PM  

justtray: We are going to deal with it. We are patient. We have the vast majority. Every time another shooting incident occurs we gain more public support and more power.

Deal with it.


Delusional much?
 
2013-05-09 01:29:21 PM  

dittybopper: iheartscotch: Yeahhhhhh..... $8000 printer for 10 shots in .380 auto. You could buy 80 mosin nagants for that, or 5-12 ARs, or 20 Aks, or 16 glocks, or 20 1911s, or 10 M-1s.

Like I pointed out, this is the Wright Flyer of printed guns:  Barely capable of doing what it needs to do to qualify in it's category.  The first is always impractical.


No one has heard of the OSS/CIA Deer Gun?

Cheap metal gun with a few rounds of ammo. Make bunches of them. Drop behind the lo we to the partisans.

They use it to kill an invading soldier and take THEIR military weapon.
 
2013-05-09 01:33:03 PM  

dittybopper: sammyk: Or you could just admit this is a gimmick that we wouldn't even be talking about if it weren't for the continuing gun control debate.

The Wright Flyer was a gimmick also.  Totally impractical, barely capable of flight, and it's just plain dumb luck that neither Orville or Wilbur were killed or seriously injured flying it.

But less than 40 years later, we had jets.  Twenty-five years after that, we were walking on the Moon.


Rapid prototyping is nothing new.  CNC (and NC) milling has been around for almost 70 years now and it's still only used for limited runs where it would be more expensive to machine an assembly line in industrial settings.  3D printing is a neat gimmick, but it's a gimmick.
 
2013-05-09 01:33:14 PM  

Jimmysolson: justtray: We are going to deal with it. We are patient. We have the vast majority. Every time another shooting incident occurs we gain more public support and more power.

Deal with it.

Delusional much?


No, realistic. It is literally only a matter of time. Guns will be heavily controlled/outlawed in most or all states here. When is the only question. Lag time could be 10 years, could be 25, but it will happen, just like every other country on the face of the earth.

Or we'll become idiocrasy and we're all screwed anyway.
 
2013-05-09 01:33:32 PM  
Didn't the bad guy in the movie where Clint Eastwood plays a secret service agent try and assassinate the President using a plastic gun? Can't remember the movie name, and I'm sure it has been mentioned in another thread.
 
2013-05-09 01:36:02 PM  

justtray: pedrop357: Gun control nuts:  Don't like this and/or modern guns?  Too bad, they're not going anywhere and it's our right to have them.  Deal with it.

We are going to deal with it. We are patient. We have the vast majority. Every time another shooting incident occurs we gain more public support and more power.

Deal with it.


We will deal with it, but first off, you should review gun violence - it's been going down for years...so let's regulate more?

When you start to take serious action about the causes of death in the USA that are above gun violence on the list, come back to us about guns...

/been a gun owner for more than 40 years now
//just joined the NRA last month
///Because the gun grabbers are out of control
////and are seeking targets of opportunity.
 
2013-05-09 01:38:33 PM  

Bored Horde: dittybopper: sammyk: Or you could just admit this is a gimmick that we wouldn't even be talking about if it weren't for the continuing gun control debate.

The Wright Flyer was a gimmick also.  Totally impractical, barely capable of flight, and it's just plain dumb luck that neither Orville or Wilbur were killed or seriously injured flying it.

But less than 40 years later, we had jets.  Twenty-five years after that, we were walking on the Moon.

Rapid prototyping is nothing new.  CNC (and NC) milling has been around for almost 70 years now and it's still only used for limited runs where it would be more expensive to machine an assembly line in industrial settings.  3D printing is a neat gimmick, but it's a gimmick.


Powered flight was a gimmick too.  Not practical for anything, really, at first.
 
2013-05-09 01:39:05 PM  

dittybopper: sammyk: Or you could just admit this is a gimmick that we wouldn't even be talking about if it weren't for the continuing gun control debate.

The Wright Flyer was a gimmick also.  Totally impractical, barely capable of flight, and it's just plain dumb luck that neither Orville or Wilbur were killed or seriously injured flying it.

But less than 40 years later, we had jets.  Twenty-five years after that, we were walking on the Moon.


I've heard you say that before buts its just going to happen in this case. You will never ever ever get printable plastics that have the same or better material properties than stainless or hardened steel.

/15 years in manufacturing prior to becoming an IT nerd
 
2013-05-09 01:40:10 PM  

Tachypnea: Didn't the bad guy in the movie where Clint Eastwood plays a secret service agent try and assassinate the President using a plastic gun? Can't remember the movie name, and I'm sure it has been mentioned in another thread.


In The Line Of Fire.
 
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