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(NBC News)   Judge rules Texas cheerleaders can quote Bible verses on banners supporting their team, the Lions. Funny, I didn't think Christians and Lions mixed   (usnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 133
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2013-05-09 08:27:54 AM  
Can opposing teams have banners that proclaim other gods are for them?
 
2013-05-09 08:30:11 AM  

naughtyrev: Can opposing teams have banners that proclaim other gods are for them?


I'd rather see the Atheist cheerleaders with a banner saying "We believe in ourselves, not fairy tales"

/but would Atheist cheerleaders be hot?
 
2013-05-09 08:55:04 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: naughtyrev: Can opposing teams have banners that proclaim other gods are for them?

I'd rather see the Atheist cheerleaders with a banner saying "We believe in ourselves, not fairy tales"


Yeah, I'm sure those would immediately be banned.
 
2013-05-09 08:55:57 AM  
Cheerleaders AND religion bashing....

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2013-05-09 08:57:11 AM  
Let's test it in the field - get a team out there with Quran verses. Nothing ominous, just standard stuff. Let's see how it goes.
 
2013-05-09 08:57:27 AM  
Christians and lions do mix but the results are a bit one sided.
 
2013-05-09 08:58:00 AM  
Oh, the lulz that would result if someone dared to show up at one of those games carrying a banner praising any other god or gods. The Christians would probably claim that their own 1stA rights were being violated if anyone did such a thing.
 
2013-05-09 09:00:09 AM  
Hmm, looks like the administration was all "Hey, leave us the fark out of this one, okay? We're not supposed to get involved."  Which was exactly what is supposed to happen, at least until the lawyers got involved.
 
2013-05-09 09:00:31 AM  
Deuteronomy 23:1 "No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord."
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2013-05-09 09:01:00 AM  

6655321: Christians and lions do mix but the results are a bit one sided.


Also hilarious, and can be used to fill stadiums, stimulating the economy and increasing the happiness of your citizens.

/I actually advocated for bringing back circuses & lions in another Christianity thread today.
//quick, someone do another one, I'm going for a trifecta.
 
2013-05-09 09:01:12 AM  
"DESTROY THE INFIDEL OPPOSING TEAM INSHALLAH, THERE ARE NO OTHERS BUT ALLAH. ALLAHU ACKBAR!!!"


/hope my kids school allow religious signs at sports games one day.
//"DEFEAT THAT TEAM AND THEN CUT OFF THE FORESKINS OF THEIR COACH AND TEAM CAPTAINS AND PRESENT THEM TO YOUR COACH AND PRINCIPLE FOR THE LORD YOUR GOD COMMANDS IT."
 
2013-05-09 09:01:13 AM  
Even if God does exist, it is presumptuous to assume that he cares about the result of your HS sports. He may even consider that a form of taking his name in vain. If you believe in God, the only thing that may be worth praying about before a game may be to pray that no one gets seriously hurt while you engage in your recreational activity. It would be awesome to file a complaint against these cheerleaders not as an atheist but as someone who fears god's wrath may come down upon everyone at the games because of some sluty blasphemous cheerleaders.
 
2013-05-09 09:02:00 AM  
Just remember free speech can work both ways.

Who can help us
Satan can
If he can't do it
Nobody can
 
2013-05-09 09:04:18 AM  
Your tears, I drink them up.
 
2013-05-09 09:08:20 AM  
"If God is for us, who can be against us?"

This is just stupid. Who told them that God was for them? Does He have money on the game?

And who IS God's bookie?
 
2013-05-09 09:09:10 AM  

TabASlotB: Deuteronomy 23:1 "No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord."
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"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses!"
 
2013-05-09 09:10:07 AM  
Thats a victory for free speech, alright. If the school has to allow that, they have to allow banners sporting slogans for marijuana legalization, atheism, satanism,  Death Metal, shiat, it never ends. They've royally farked themselves over this one, Also, dress code??
 
2013-05-09 09:10:53 AM  
Subby does nto know his scripture:

Lions are mentioned in the Bible for their strength (Jdg 14:18), boldness (2 Sam 17:10), ferocity (Ps 7:2), and stealth (Ps 10:9; Lam 3:10). Therefore in prophetical references to the millennium, the lion, with the bear, wolf, and leopard, is mentioned as living in peace with the ox, calf, kid, lamb and the child (Ps 91:13; Isa 11:6-8; 65:25). The roaring of the lion is often mentioned (Job 4:10; Ps 104:21; Isa 31:4 (the Revised Version (British and American) "growling"); Jer 51:38; Ezek 22:25; Hos 11:10). Judah is a "lion's whelp" (Gen 49:9), likewise Dan (Dt 33:22). It is said of certain of David's warriors (1 Ch 12:8) that their "faces were like the faces of lions." David's enemy (Ps 17:12) "is like a lion that is greedy of his prey." "The king's wrath is as the roaring of a lion" (Prov 19:12). God in His wrath is "unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah" (Hos 5:14). "The devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" (1 Pet 5:8). "Lion" occurs in the figurative language of Ezekiel, Daniel, and Revelation. The figures of lions were used in the decorations of Solomon's temple and throne (1 Ki 7:29,36; 10:19 f).
 
2013-05-09 09:10:57 AM  

kbronsito: Even if God does exist, it is presumptuous to assume that he cares about the result of your HS sports.


You don't know.  God could be that friend of yours who comes over to your house to watch the game, and once he gets his hands on the remote, he keeps flipping channels and trying to watch EVERY game at the same damn time.

But, yeah.  I'm with you.  Thinking your imaginary friend gives a shiat about your high school football team in BFE is a sign of a much, much bigger mental problem.
 
2013-05-09 09:11:39 AM  
I'm a little torn on that decision.  Part of me agrees that the school isn't involved as it's the cheerleaders aren't  proselytizing on the schools behalf. While the other part of me goes that football team and cheerleaders are representatives of the school so should abide by the same rules.

I'm kinda with Shrinkwrap, put this on a banner "اذا كان الله هو بالنسبة لنا، والذين يمكن أن يكونوا ضدنا " and see how well it goes over.
 
2013-05-09 09:15:26 AM  

hutchkc: I'm a little torn on that decision.  Part of me agrees that the school isn't involved as it's the cheerleaders aren't  proselytizing on the schools behalf. While the other part of me goes that football team and cheerleaders are representatives of the school so should abide by the same rules.

I'm kinda with Shrinkwrap, put this on a banner "اذا كان الله هو بالنسبة لنا، والذين يمكن أن يكونوا ضدنا " and see how well it goes over.


Kinda depends, is the coach assisting them or not.
 
2013-05-09 09:16:20 AM  
That makes the record of the "oppressed" Christians approximately 1,765 - 2.

I'm counting the two losses as no teacher-led prayer in schools and killing Jesus. There may be more on your scorecard.
 
2013-05-09 09:16:39 AM  
Christians: Can't live with them; can't feed them to the lions anymore.
 
2013-05-09 09:17:55 AM  

Walker: FirstNationalBastard: naughtyrev: Can opposing teams have banners that proclaim other gods are for them?

I'd rather see the Atheist cheerleaders with a banner saying "We believe in ourselves, not fairy tales"

Yeah, I'm sure those would immediately be banned.


Yes, because they would be digs at believers.

"Zeus/Jesus is on our side" is a simple boast not intended to denigrate anyone.  "FSM is on our side" is denigrating because FSM was invented to denigrate.
 
2013-05-09 09:19:55 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Walker: FirstNationalBastard: naughtyrev: Can opposing teams have banners that proclaim other gods are for them?

I'd rather see the Atheist cheerleaders with a banner saying "We believe in ourselves, not fairy tales"

Yeah, I'm sure those would immediately be banned.

Yes, because they would be digs at believers.

"Zeus/Jesus is on our side" is a simple boast not intended to denigrate anyone.  "FSM is on our side" is denigrating because FSM was invented to denigrate.


And theirs are digs at non believers and even other believers, so whats the point.
 
2013-05-09 09:20:32 AM  
displaying banners with religious messages such as, "If God is for us, who can be against us"

It is my constant anxiety and prayer that [we] should be on the Lord's side. - Abraham Lincoln
 
2013-05-09 09:21:33 AM  
Because if there's one thing an immortal, omnipotent, universe-creating being cares about, it's the outcome of a highschool football game.
 
2013-05-09 09:25:07 AM  
"State District Judge Steve Thomas determined the Kountze High School cheerleaders' banners are constitutionally permissible. In a copy of the ruling obtained by Beaumont station KFDM, Thomas determined that no law 'prohibits cheerleaders from using religious-themed banners at school sporting events.'"

Hooray for sanity.  As expected. the critics and athiests are responding with their usual conjecture:  "But what if one of those cheerleaders praised a different god?  Would the Christians be tolerant then?  I bet they wouldn't! What would happen if they tried to put a Koran verse?"

You don't know.  When a Muslim, Hindu, Wiccan etc., at that school is told their banner would be verboten but not the Christian's then you would have a point.  Until then you have no argument.  What decent person would have a problem with a cheerleader putting a religious verse on a sports banner?  I'm not religious but why should that bother me?
 
2013-05-09 09:25:58 AM  

hutchkc: I'm a little torn on that decision.  Part of me agrees that the school isn't involved as it's the cheerleaders aren't  proselytizing on the schools behalf. While the other part of me goes that football team and cheerleaders are representatives of the school so should abide by the same rules.

I'm kinda with Shrinkwrap, put this on a banner "اذا كان الله هو بالنسبة لنا، والذين يمكن أن يكونوا ضدنا " and see how well it goes over.


Santa Fe ISD v. Doe may heal your tear. Students using school PA system to make religious rah-hah before football games.  Cheerleaders using school football field to make religious rah-hah at football games.  In both cases, permission to use the school's facilities for religious rah-hah would reasonably be taken by others as school's endorsement.
 
2013-05-09 09:26:57 AM  
I am an atheist and I honestly don't have a problem with a sign with a bible verse on it, however   "If God is for us, who can be against us"  is not a farking bible verse. I see a big difference.
 
2013-05-09 09:27:15 AM  
It's a cookbook.

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2013-05-09 09:27:52 AM  

thaylin: BarkingUnicorn: Walker: FirstNationalBastard: naughtyrev: Can opposing teams have banners that proclaim other gods are for them?

I'd rather see the Atheist cheerleaders with a banner saying "We believe in ourselves, not fairy tales"

Yeah, I'm sure those would immediately be banned.

Yes, because they would be digs at believers.

"Zeus/Jesus is on our side" is a simple boast not intended to denigrate anyone.  "FSM is on our side" is denigrating because FSM was invented to denigrate.

And theirs are digs at non believers and even other believers, so whats the point.


"We're great!" isn't "You're awful."  Unless you are terribly insecure.
 
2013-05-09 09:29:05 AM  
What a bunch of Kountze.

/got nothin
 
2013-05-09 09:30:57 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: thaylin: BarkingUnicorn: Walker: FirstNationalBastard: naughtyrev: Can opposing teams have banners that proclaim other gods are for them?

I'd rather see the Atheist cheerleaders with a banner saying "We believe in ourselves, not fairy tales"

Yeah, I'm sure those would immediately be banned.

Yes, because they would be digs at believers.

"Zeus/Jesus is on our side" is a simple boast not intended to denigrate anyone.  "FSM is on our side" is denigrating because FSM was invented to denigrate.

And theirs are digs at non believers and even other believers, so whats the point.

"We're great!" isn't "You're awful."  Unless you are terribly insecure.


Where do you get "we're great" from? Their banner is "god is on our side, not yours, therefore you cannot beat us"
 
2013-05-09 09:31:45 AM  

naughtyrev: Can opposing teams have banners that proclaim other gods are for them?


Free speech would say yes.
 
2013-05-09 09:33:34 AM  
Don't forget thor --

208.116.9.205
 
2013-05-09 09:34:36 AM  
They do if two wise guys are thrown into a lion pit at night and people discover them the next day sitting and petting them.

(ah random bible chapters)
 
2013-05-09 09:34:48 AM  
I'm sure that schools in Texas would now be allowed to put obviously non-Christian religious banners up for their sports teams.

The real question is WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO????

It's TEXAS! Might as well have an "I took a crap on Austin's grave, so come shoot me." sign.
 
2013-05-09 09:35:51 AM  

Stoj: "If God is for us, who can be against us?"

This is just stupid. Who told them that God was for them? Does He have money on the game?

And who IS God's bookie?


This just in, God hates the Kirbyville Wildcats!
 
2013-05-09 09:39:14 AM  
sojo.net

/do I have to do everything around here?
 
2013-05-09 09:41:02 AM  
"If God is for us, who can be against us,"

After seeing their record, and I don't think God is with them.

/probably because they forgot about Leviticus 11:7-8.
 
2013-05-09 09:41:38 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: hutchkc: I'm a little torn on that decision.  Part of me agrees that the school isn't involved as it's the cheerleaders aren't  proselytizing on the schools behalf. While the other part of me goes that football team and cheerleaders are representatives of the school so should abide by the same rules.

I'm kinda with Shrinkwrap, put this on a banner "اذا كان الله هو بالنسبة لنا، والذين يمكن أن يكونوا ضدنا " and see how well it goes over.

Santa Fe ISD v. Doe may heal your tear. Students using school PA system to make religious rah-hah before football games.  Cheerleaders using school football field to make religious rah-hah at football games.  In both cases, permission to use the school's facilities for religious rah-hah would reasonably be taken by others as school's endorsement.



TY that was a good read and makes it pretty clear that they are representatives of the school and thus that rule should apply to them as well.  So it looks like this judgement will prob get appealed and overturned.
 
2013-05-09 09:43:00 AM  
kbronsito: Even if God does exist, it is presumptuous to assume that he cares about the result of your HS sports.

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One more crack like that and I'll give the marsupials a shot at the top slot. But don't worry, you humans will still be part of the food chain.
 
2013-05-09 09:44:09 AM  
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lol!
 
2013-05-09 09:45:50 AM  

thaylin: BarkingUnicorn: thaylin: BarkingUnicorn: Walker: FirstNationalBastard: naughtyrev: Can opposing teams have banners that proclaim other gods are for them?

I'd rather see the Atheist cheerleaders with a banner saying "We believe in ourselves, not fairy tales"

Yeah, I'm sure those would immediately be banned.

Yes, because they would be digs at believers.

"Zeus/Jesus is on our side" is a simple boast not intended to denigrate anyone.  "FSM is on our side" is denigrating because FSM was invented to denigrate.

And theirs are digs at non believers and even other believers, so whats the point.

"We're great!" isn't "You're awful."  Unless you are terribly insecure.

Where do you get "we're great" from? Their banner is "god is on our side, not yours, therefore you cannot beat us"


I got "we're great" from my mind, and I never claimed it was on a banner.  You got your banner from your ass.  "If God is for us, who can be against us" is the only example in TFA.  Doesn't say God isn't on the other side.  Doesn't say, "you can't beat us."  It just asks a rhetorical question of no one in particular.
 
2013-05-09 09:55:44 AM  
I'm fairly certain the lord and master of the universe doesn't give a shiat about your damn game, so stop bothering him about it.
 
2013-05-09 09:59:06 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: thaylin: BarkingUnicorn: thaylin: BarkingUnicorn: Walker: FirstNationalBastard: naughtyrev: Can opposing teams have banners that proclaim other gods are for them?

I'd rather see the Atheist cheerleaders with a banner saying "We believe in ourselves, not fairy tales"

Yeah, I'm sure those would immediately be banned.

Yes, because they would be digs at believers.

"Zeus/Jesus is on our side" is a simple boast not intended to denigrate anyone.  "FSM is on our side" is denigrating because FSM was invented to denigrate.

And theirs are digs at non believers and even other believers, so whats the point.

"We're great!" isn't "You're awful."  Unless you are terribly insecure.

Where do you get "we're great" from? Their banner is "god is on our side, not yours, therefore you cannot beat us"

I got "we're great" from my mind, and I never claimed it was on a banner.  You got your banner from your ass.  "If God is for us, who can be against us" is the only example in TFA.  Doesn't say God isn't on the other side.  Doesn't say, "you can't beat us."  It just asks a rhetorical question of no one in particular.


You are obviously bad at extrapolating meanings of phrases....

"if god is on our side" = god is with us, not yours
"who can be against us" = if god is on our side you cant beat us.
 
2013-05-09 10:00:20 AM  
When I get around to it I want to do a photoshop of the Texas state flag that contains a fat Jesus playing football.
 
2013-05-09 10:01:34 AM  

Shrinkwrap: Let's test it in the field - get a team out there with Quran verses. Nothing ominous, just standard stuff. Let's see how it goes.



www.atheistmemebase.com

It's not even so much a separation of church and state issue for me, personally, as it is simply that claiming that God wants your sports team to win is about the tackiest and pettiest thing ever.  It's embarrassing to have to share the name "Christian" with these self-absorbed simpletons.
 
2013-05-09 10:04:10 AM  

Albert911emt: Oh, the lulz that would result if someone dared to show up at one of those games carrying a banner praising any other god or gods. The Christians would probably claim that their own 1stA rights were being violated if anyone did such a thing.


In Texas?  Nah.  They'd probably just lynch him and throw a party afterwards.
 
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