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2013-05-09 08:11:24 AM
So says the guy who looked up and down the Bears bench one Sunday and said "fark it - Sweetness, you're QB today."
 
2013-05-09 09:03:53 AM

Gulper Eel: So says the guy who looked up and down the Bears bench one Sunday and said "fark it - Sweetness, you're QB today."


So says the guy that looked up an down the Bears' bench and said, "fark you,Sweetness. Perry's getting a Super Bowl TD, not you."

fark Ditka.
 
2013-05-09 09:46:57 AM
Speaking of Flutie, let's see Tim do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S_7TT2a1H4
 
2013-05-09 09:51:44 AM
So says the guy that traded away all his draft picks to get Ricky Williams, and then had they dude crap out on him.
 
2013-05-09 09:53:04 AM
"I think [Tebow] can play quarterback in the NFL, but whatever offense you run might have to be tweaked a bit. This kid is a talent and he proved it in college. He is an outstanding leader. Now, does he have an unusual throwing motion? Yes. But there a lot of quarterbacks that didn't have a perfect throwing motion. Some of them turned out to be great quarterbacks because they were great leaders. I really do think there's a place for him. If not at quarterback, I think he could play tight end. If I was in the league and coaching today, I would take a chance on him at quarterback."

Who else did Ditka take a chance on at QB?

Heath Shuler
Doug Nussmeier
Billy Joe Hobert
Billy Joe Tolliver
Jake Delhomme
Kerry Collins


Ditka started 4 different QBs in each season he was in New Orleans.

1997 - Heath Shuler, Danny Wuerffel, Billy Joe Hobert, Doug Nussmeier.

1998 - Billy Joe Tolliver, Danny Wuerffel, Billy Joe Hobert, Kerry Collins.

1999 - Billy Joe Tolliver, Danny Wuerffel, Billy Joe Hobert, Jake Delhomme.


I don't think I'd take QB advice from Ditka.
 
2013-05-09 09:55:42 AM
So says the guy that coached the farking Bears, so well known for their expertise in QBs.

/Bears fan
//One of those rare people that thinks Tebow proved his worth in college, and just needs some a lot of coaching on his motion
 
2013-05-09 09:57:17 AM
Ditka is a mongoloid. Go Bears.
 
2013-05-09 09:58:16 AM

rufus-t-firefly: Ditka started 4 different QBs in each season he was in New Orleans.

1997 - Heath Shuler, Danny Wuerffel, Billy Joe Hobert, Doug Nussmeier.

1998 - Billy Joe Tolliver, Danny Wuerffel, Billy Joe Hobert, Kerry Collins.

1999 - Billy Joe Tolliver, Danny Wuerffel, Billy Joe Hobert, Jake Delhomme.

I don't think I'd take QB advice from Ditka.


The response to this is this:

skrame: So says the guy that coached the farking Bears, so well known for their expertise in QBs.


If there's anyone who would know that it's possible to be somewhat successful with sh*tty QBs, it's Ditka.
 
2013-05-09 10:05:12 AM

rufus-t-firefly: I don't think I'd take QB advice from Ditka.


Amen. Ditka was probably too busy helping Schwarzkopf to worry about things like the QB position.
 
2013-05-09 10:07:31 AM

IAmRight: If there's anyone who would know that it's possible to be somewhat successful with sh*tty QBs, it's Ditka.


Haha. I agree with that. But I think what I'm looking for here is how to make Tebow successful, not how to make a team successful around Tebow.
 
2013-05-09 10:07:57 AM
Kerry Collins was a career B- QB and the year he played for the Saints was the year he was having his alcohol problems.

Jake Delhomme was still rookie-ish in his time with the Saints and was easily a B+ QB before The Bad Day.
 
2013-05-09 10:10:31 AM
Up next on BSPN First Take:  "Who would win a 40-yard dash: Tebow or Ditka?"
 
2013-05-09 10:19:59 AM
Tebow: 1-1 in Broncos post.

Manning: 0-1 in Broncos post.
 
2013-05-09 10:24:39 AM

Kell Bartok: Tebow: 1-1 in Broncos post.

Manning: 0-1 in Broncos post.


That's a mighty small population to be drawing any conclusions from, don't ya think?
 
2013-05-09 10:27:40 AM

IAmRight: rufus-t-firefly: Ditka started 4 different QBs in each season he was in New Orleans.

1997 - Heath Shuler, Danny Wuerffel, Billy Joe Hobert, Doug Nussmeier.

1998 - Billy Joe Tolliver, Danny Wuerffel, Billy Joe Hobert, Kerry Collins.

1999 - Billy Joe Tolliver, Danny Wuerffel, Billy Joe Hobert, Jake Delhomme.

I don't think I'd take QB advice from Ditka.

The response to this is this:

skrame: So says the guy that coached the farking Bears, so well known for their expertise in QBs.

If there's anyone who would know that it's possible to be somewhat successful with sh*tty QBs, it's Ditka.


In the 1980s, maybe.

But since then...not so much.

His record with that Saints QB carousel:

1997: 6-10
1998: 6-10
1999: 3-13
 
2013-05-09 10:28:29 AM

rufus-t-firefly: His record with that Saints QB carousel:

1997: 6-10
1998: 6-10


In fairness, that's a better record than several teams post each year.
 
2013-05-09 10:28:55 AM

Kell Bartok: Tebow: 1-1 in Broncos post.

Manning: 0-1 in Broncos post.


Manning didn't spend the entire season setting up one play in playoff OT.
 
2013-05-09 10:30:53 AM

IAmRight: rufus-t-firefly: His record with that Saints QB carousel:

1997: 6-10
1998: 6-10

In fairness, that's a better record than several teams post each year.


That's a pretty low bar for success. NFL standings don't usually grade on a curve.

"We weren't absolute garbage - we just really sucked!"
 
2013-05-09 10:34:08 AM
So Doug had Flutie Flakes,  what kind of Cereal would Tebow endorse?
 
2013-05-09 10:40:42 AM

rufus-t-firefly: That's a pretty low bar for success. NFL standings don't usually grade on a curve.


Well, I could just point out that you could say he hasn't been good since the '80s, but it's equally true to say he hasn't sucked since the '90s.

/the other point is that Tebow wouldn't be the worst starting QB in the league
//there were several that were worse than him in 2011, and a few of them are still starters
 
2013-05-09 10:43:50 AM

TommyJReed: So Doug had Flutie Flakes,  what kind of Cereal would Tebow endorse?


Why Hosties of course.
 
2013-05-09 10:50:56 AM

TommyJReed: So Doug had Flutie Flakes,  what kind of Cereal would Tebow endorse?


Closet O's
 
2013-05-09 10:59:31 AM

TommyJReed: So Doug had Flutie Flakes,  what kind of Cereal would Tebow endorse?


Teeb-O's

Plucky Charms (need suggestions on marshmallow shapes; crosses and kneeling figures maybe?)
 
2013-05-09 11:01:06 AM
Shouldn't it be Ditak?
 
2013-05-09 11:02:59 AM
 
2013-05-09 11:06:53 AM

skrame: TommyJReed: So Doug had Flutie Flakes,  what kind of Cereal would Tebow endorse?

Teeb-O's

Plucky Charms (need suggestions on marshmallow shapes; crosses and kneeling figures maybe?)


There wouldn't be any Marshmallows,  because Plucky charms can't deliver on the hype.
 
2013-05-09 11:15:47 AM

Kell Bartok: Tebow: 1-1 in Broncos post.

Manning: 0-1 in Broncos post.


Tebow and his incredible one playoff win is in the elite company of Bubby Brister and Shuan King
 
2013-05-09 11:26:07 AM

buckeyebrain: Up next on BSPN First Take:  "Who would win a 40-yard dash: Tebow or Ditka?"


thumbnails.hulu.com
DITKA!

It's a shame that the greatest coach of all time from a city as fine as Chicago must subject itself to a comparison with a representative from that mosquito infested swamp.
 
2013-05-09 11:33:31 AM

Krymson Tyde: So says the guy that looked up an down the Bears' bench and said, "fark you,Sweetness. Perry's getting a Super Bowl TD, not you I want to win."


Wiki: One oddity in the Bears victory was that Payton had a relatively poor performance running the ball and never scored a touchdown in Super Bowl XX, his first and only Super Bowl appearance during his Hall of Fame career (Many people including Mike Ditka have claimed that the reason for this due to the fact that the Patriots defensive scheme was centered around stopping Walter Payton). Although Payton was ultimately the Bears' leading rusher during the game, the Patriots defense held him to only 61 yards on 22 carries, with his longest run being only 7 yards. He was given several opportunities to score near the goal line, but New England stopped him every time before he reached the end zone (such as his 2-yard loss from the New England 3-yard line a few plays before Butler's second field goal, and his 2-yard run from the 4-yard line right before McMahon's first rushing touchdown). Thus, Chicago head coach Mike Ditka  opted to go for other plays to counter the Patriots defense.
 
2013-05-09 11:34:13 AM
To be fair, Tebow is better than Rusty Lisch.
 
2013-05-09 11:35:03 AM
Has anyone ran clinical trials on the effects of being exposed to mass quantities of stupid from ESPN personalities? We submit a lot of stories regarding the dumb crap they say, but I really don't want to get too involved unless I understand the full scope of the possible health risks this carries.
 
2013-05-09 11:52:07 AM
'All you haters in here are just like the rest of America: You just can't stand to see a Christian succeed. If Tebow ever gets a chance to play QB in the NFL, he'll prove the doubters wrong.'
 
2013-05-09 12:03:10 PM

Hang On Voltaire: Kell Bartok: Tebow: 1-1 in Broncos post.

Manning: 0-1 in Broncos post.

Tebow and his incredible one playoff win is in the elite company of Bubby Brister and Shuan King


The legion of 1 playoff win QBs in the NFL right now
Matt Ryan
T.J Yates
Matt Schaub
Jay Cutler
Alex Smith
Russell Wilson
Tony Romo
 
2013-05-09 12:32:09 PM

digistil: 'All you haters in here are just like the rest of America: You just can't stand to see a Christian succeed. If Tebow ever gets a chance to play QB in the NFL, he'll prove the doubters wrong.'


It's not the fault of the haters he doesn't have a job. Link
 
2013-05-09 12:36:57 PM

This Looks Fun: Krymson Tyde: So says the guy that looked up an down the Bears' bench and said, "fark you,Sweetness. Perry's getting a Super Bowl TD, not you I want to win."

Wiki: One oddity in the Bears victory was that Payton had a relatively poor performance running the ball and never scored a touchdown in Super Bowl XX, his first and only Super Bowl appearance during his Hall of Fame career (Many people including Mike Ditka have claimed that the reason for this due to the fact that the Patriots defensive scheme was centered around stopping Walter Payton). Although Payton was ultimately the Bears' leading rusher during the game, the Patriots defense held him to only 61 yards on 22 carries, with his longest run being only 7 yards. He was given several opportunities to score near the goal line, but New England stopped him every time before he reached the end zone (such as his 2-yard loss from the New England 3-yard line a few plays before Butler's second field goal, and his 2-yard run from the 4-yard line right before McMahon's first rushing touchdown). Thus, Chicago head coach Mike Ditka  opted to go for other plays to counter the Patriots defense.


Yup. Watching it again as a grown-up, it was a strange game, not as one-sided as it seemed after three quarters. And Berry's brilliant defensive plan of "everybody tackle Payton" was actually a lot better than his offensive plan, "don't let the TE get hurt, we only have two on the roster."
 
2013-05-09 12:37:53 PM

digistil: 'All you haters in here are just like the rest of America: You just can't stand to see a Christian succeed.


Ray Lewis?
Reggie White?
Kurt Warner?
 
2013-05-09 12:51:31 PM

degenerate-afro: digistil: 'All you haters in here are just like the rest of America: You just can't stand to see a Christian succeed.

Ray Lewis?
Reggie White?
Kurt Warner?


Oh puleese. Ray and Reggie are black. We all know ya gotta be white to be Christian. And Kurt Warner only became a Christian after he retired.
 
2013-05-09 01:09:25 PM
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-09 01:15:59 PM
Yes I distinctly remember Manning shiatting the bed on that easily interceptible duck that would have sealed the game. Tebow would have miracled it into a dove that flew away to secure victory! ... And then guide the Broncos to a 50-point loss in the next round.
 
2013-05-09 01:23:09 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Tebow isn't even in Jville and Tebow fanatics are annoying the hell out of the Jags fan base. Hilarious.


Well Maybe the Jags fanbase should show up to games
 
2013-05-09 01:29:17 PM

karasoth: Ow! That was my feelings!: Tebow isn't even in Jville and Tebow fanatics are annoying the hell out of the Jags fan base. Hilarious.

Well Maybe the Jags fanbase should show up to games


wut?
 
2013-05-09 02:11:24 PM

This Looks Fun: Krymson Tyde: So says the guy that looked up an down the Bears' bench and said, "fark you,Sweetness. Perry's getting a Super Bowl TD, not you I want to win."

Wiki: One oddity in the Bears victory was that Payton had a relatively poor performance running the ball and never scored a touchdown in Super Bowl XX, his first and only Super Bowl appearance during his Hall of Fame career (Many people including Mike Ditka have claimed that the reason for this due to the fact that the Patriots defensive scheme was centered around stopping Walter Payton). Although Payton was ultimately the Bears' leading rusher during the game, the Patriots defense held him to only 61 yards on 22 carries, with his longest run being only 7 yards. He was given several opportunities to score near the goal line, but New England stopped him every time before he reached the end zone (such as his 2-yard loss from the New England 3-yard line a few plays before Butler's second field goal, and his 2-yard run from the 4-yard line right before McMahon's first rushing touchdown). Thus, Chicago head coach Mike Ditka  opted to go for other plays to counter the Patriots defense.


The game was well in hand when Perry scored his TD and Payton should have been given another opportunity. At least Ditka understands the mistake he made and the reason he will burn for all eternity in football hell.
 
2013-05-09 02:15:54 PM

IAmRight: rufus-t-firefly: Ditka started 4 different QBs in each season he was in New Orleans.

1997 - Heath Shuler, Danny Wuerffel, Billy Joe Hobert, Doug Nussmeier.

1998 - Billy Joe Tolliver, Danny Wuerffel, Billy Joe Hobert, Kerry Collins.

1999 - Billy Joe Tolliver, Danny Wuerffel, Billy Joe Hobert, Jake Delhomme.

I don't think I'd take QB advice from Ditka.

The response to this is this:

skrame: So says the guy that coached the farking Bears, so well known for their expertise in QBs.

If there's anyone who would know that it's possible to be somewhat successful with sh*tty QBs, it's Ditka.


Well he did play with Roger Staubach.

*ducking*
 
2013-05-09 03:05:16 PM
Here's the biatch about hiring Tebow for your team:

You bring him in, get the best coaches to teach him and insist he's going to be the starter no matter what. Whether he succeeds or fails, his nutty followers will still come up with every excuse to fend off anyone saying anything about him.

Let's say fixing his feet fixed his throwing. He still can't read defenses. He leads the team to a terrible record. The followers blame the coaches and owner for his horrible playing... not Tebow. No matter what Tebow does, he won't be at fault, and no matter how often or hard he fails, the followers will still clamor for 'one more chance' like abused housewives knowing their husband has changed his ways this time.

If he succeeds, well, good for him, but the followers will be even more rabid with their 'I told ya so' speeches and screed.

Truth is, he won't succeed. His one year starting 11 games for Denver wasn't a fluke, it was the defenses learning how to play against him. The NFL is very regimented in it's approach, and if you throw in a wild card, it will adjust and take you to task on it. For everyone claiming his scrambling is what makes him special, where was Philly and Carolina in the playoffs? They have scrambling QB's that run very well. Some say Seattle has a great scrambling QB, so does San Fran, and in all these cases, the QB's have accuracy in their throws.

Accuracy isn't just throwing on target, it's knowing which throw is going to make it to it's target, i.e. they can all read defenses much better than Tebow. Tebow's throws are very errant, flying out of bounds and literally into the stands! It's not that he can't throw, he can, he just has no control over where it's going. Again, supposedly they fixed that, it still doesn't mean he can read defenses. Best bet is his throws are on target and intercepted far more often now.

Let's not forget the guy has sub 50% completion rate.
 
2013-05-09 03:48:14 PM
Ditka is a moron, and I say that as one of the homeriest homers to ever homer for the Bears.
 
2013-05-09 05:50:36 PM

degenerate-afro: digistil: 'All you haters in here are just like the rest of America: You just can't stand to see a Christian succeed.

Ray Lewis?
Reggie White?
Kurt Warner?


Troy Polamalu?
Paul Henderson?
Joe Carter?

/yes I'm going outside of football, just making a point.
 
2013-05-09 06:37:03 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: The NFL is very regimented in it's approach, and if you throw in a wild card, it will adjust and take you to task on it.


Troof. Remember how successful the Wildcat was -at first-? How about how unsuccessful it became once everyone caught on? We saw the same cycle late in the season last year with the Pistol.
 
2013-05-09 07:11:31 PM

Flappyhead: degenerate-afro: digistil: 'All you haters in here are just like the rest of America: You just can't stand to see a Christian succeed.

Ray Lewis?
Reggie White?
Kurt Warner?

Troy Polamalu?
Paul Henderson?
Joe Carter?

/yes I'm going outside of football, just making a point.


Out of curiosity, is Joe Carter actually known by the average baseball fan in the US?

As I was born and raised in Southern Ontario as a Jays fan (and while too young to remember '93, I did watch Joe play for a few years) my view is probably slightly coloured.
 
2013-05-09 07:22:27 PM

dywed88: Flappyhead: degenerate-afro: digistil: 'All you haters in here are just like the rest of America: You just can't stand to see a Christian succeed.

Ray Lewis?
Reggie White?
Kurt Warner?

Troy Polamalu?
Paul Henderson?
Joe Carter?

/yes I'm going outside of football, just making a point.

Out of curiosity, is Joe Carter actually known by the average baseball fan in the US?

As I was born and raised in Southern Ontario as a Jays fan (and while too young to remember '93, I did watch Joe play for a few years) my view is probably slightly coloured.


Umm... pretty sure everyone who watched baseball in the late 80s early 90s knows who Joe Carter is.
 
2013-05-09 10:32:22 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: karasoth: Ow! That was my feelings!: Tebow isn't even in Jville and Tebow fanatics are annoying the hell out of the Jags fan base. Hilarious.

Well Maybe the Jags fanbase should show up to games

wut?


sales =/= showing up
 
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