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(Washington Post)   There's an attitude problem among the missile officers at Minot Air Force Base. Apparently, the ability to vaporize millions of people with the turn of a key just isn't a skill highly valued by today's employers   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 50
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2013-05-09 07:56:28 AM
cliff.hostkansas.com

Turn your key, Sir.
 
2013-05-09 08:55:24 AM
"Skybird, this is Dropkick with a red dash alpha message in two parts. Break. Break. Red dash alpha."

"Stand by to copy message."

"Golf. Tango. Foxtrot. Oscar. Authentication: Golf. Bravo. Tango. Whiskey."
 
2013-05-09 08:55:31 AM
Now the air force is saying they "can't find skilled labor"? Do we need an Air Force exception to go along with the Facebook exception?
 
2013-05-09 08:56:24 AM

PainInTheASP: "Skybird, this is Dropkick with a red dash alpha message in two parts. Break. Break. Red dash alpha."

"Stand by to copy message."

"Golf. Tango. Foxtrot. Oscar. Authentication: Golf. Bravo. Tango. Whiskey."


Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.
 
2013-05-09 08:57:29 AM

dittybopper: [cliff.hostkansas.com image 785x576]

Turn your key, Sir.


Came here for this.... leaving satisfied!
 
2013-05-09 08:58:38 AM
IIRC: Minot is where they send you if you have an attitude problem in the first place.
 
2013-05-09 09:00:04 AM
Probably an exciting job during the Cold War. Today not so much. Waiting for North Korea and Iran to finish building their bombs, testing them, mounting them to missiles and firing them, has got to be a real drag.

They should let them launch one or two a year, just to keep the fire alive.
 
2013-05-09 09:04:55 AM

dittybopper: [cliff.hostkansas.com image 785x576]

Turn your key, Sir.


Came for this, glad to see it was done first.

/Would have posted it if you didn't.
 
2013-05-09 09:09:50 AM
Why not Minot
 
2013-05-09 09:11:25 AM

vudukungfu: IIRC: Minot is where they send you if you have an attitude problem in the first place.


Why not Minot?
Freezin's the reason.

/Thank FSM I was never stationed there
 
2013-05-09 09:18:57 AM
I toured the Titan missle museum with the director there (she's also the director of the Pima Air Museum).     Her stories are particularly chilling of the day.   The reason she went into Missles is that since combat flight billets were closed to woman in that era, this was her real only chance at advancement.    Interesting to hear from the woman who was the missle commander who's hand was on the key.    Learned a few things that the afore depicted Wargames scene got rather wrong.

One thing I did learn paticularly is that even if both officers decide to turn the key, they can't even get the missle out of the silo without a numeric key for the butterfly valve in the booster.   The booster only will take seven attempts to set the key (and they were advised not to screw up even once).   That key is trasmitted with the launch order.

Here's a picture of the commander taken back in the day....
www.titanmissilemuseum.org
 
2013-05-09 09:19:41 AM
By the way, she tells me the reason she is wearing sunglasses in an underground facility is she broke her regular pair during that shift.
 
2013-05-09 09:22:11 AM

vudukungfu: IIRC: Minot is where they send you if you have an attitude problem in the first place.


And these folks are stuck in a career in which they'll probably (we hope) never actually DO the job they're trained to do. It'll all be just training exercises and make believe, with few opportunities for promotion because it's a small field. Yeah, can't imagine why that'd lead to a dip in morale and lack of motivation.
 
2013-05-09 09:22:33 AM
So, their own real function that remains is to track Santa on Christmas Eve, right?  I can see why they'd get sloppy, with so much down time.
 
2013-05-09 09:25:00 AM

SoupJohnB: So, their own real function that remains is to track Santa on Christmas Eve, right?  I can see why they'd get sloppy, with so much down time.


"only" real function

/what's the movie being referenced in here?  Haven't seen it
 
2013-05-09 09:26:23 AM

SoupJohnB: So, their own real function that remains is to track Santa on Christmas Eve, right?  I can see why they'd get sloppy, with so much down time.


That's a completely different set of screen-watchers.
 
2013-05-09 09:26:53 AM
Sit alone in the dark thinking about how much you hate everyone, turn key to end millions of lives in minutes, seems like the perfect training for HR.
 
2013-05-09 09:31:37 AM

dittybopper: [cliff.hostkansas.com image 785x576]

Turn your key, Sir.


Lol. The WOPR is now an app for Android. Really.

And I bet my phone has more computing power than all the machines in that movie (Wargames, SoupJohnB)... combined.
 
2013-05-09 09:33:51 AM
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2013-05-09 09:44:18 AM

rnatalie: By the way, she tells me the reason she is wearing sunglasses in an underground facility is she broke her regular pair during that shift.


It's 4,890 miles to Moscow, we got a complex full of missiles, half a pack of cigarettes, we're underground... and we're wearing sunglasses.
 
2013-05-09 09:45:40 AM

dittybopper: [cliff.hostkansas.com image 785x576]

Turn your key, Sir.


Dammit, of course now that it goes green...    I posted that image (with caption) twice yesterday in 2 redlit threads on the topic.

First thing I thought of when I read the story.
 
2013-05-09 09:46:56 AM
FTFA:

Welsh noted that because there are a limited number of command positions to which missile launch officers can aspire within the nuclear force, those officers tend to believe they have no future.

When I was at the USAF Research Lab, we actually got a letter along the lines of "hey, you're not a zoomie, so if you only end up making it to Major or LtCol by the time you retire, no biggie, right?" It was an attempt to boost morale.

When I was assigned to the research lab, as someone with a master's degree in computer science, I thought I might get to, you know, maybe do some research. Ha! I got to push the paperwork that tracked the status of the research the contractors were doing.

The Air Force personnel center did a manpower review while I was there (kind of like the scenes in Office Space). When I was interviewed, they asked me if I thought my job required someone with a master's degree. I told them, and I quote, "A well-trained monkey could do my job." I wouldn't want to play poker with the guy that interviewed me as I couldn't see even the slightest twitch in his face after my answer.
 
2013-05-09 09:51:16 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: Lol. The WOPR is now an app for Android. Really.


www.wearysloth.com

Mr. Is Huge, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new smart phone sucks.
 
2013-05-09 09:56:16 AM

SoupJohnB: SoupJohnB: So, their own real function that remains is to track Santa on Christmas Eve, right?  I can see why they'd get sloppy, with so much down time.

"only" real function

/what's the movie being referenced in here?  Haven't seen it


Wargames.  1983 hacker film starring a young Matthew Broderick (one of the first films about computer hacking).

About a teenage hacker, a government supercomputer, and a wargame simulation of WW III that the USAF mistakes for an actual USSR attack in progress.

The scene with the missileers in the silos receiving launch orders is popular culture's main mental image of this profession, so it gets referenced every time there is a story about USAF missileers.

IMDB Entry

Wargames Trailer on YouTube

Wikipedia Entry
 
2013-05-09 09:58:37 AM

dittybopper: rnatalie: By the way, she tells me the reason she is wearing sunglasses in an underground facility is she broke her regular pair during that shift.

It's 4,890 miles to Moscow, we got a complex full of missiles, half a pack of cigarettes, we're underground... and we're wearing sunglasses.


Hit it!
 
2013-05-09 10:02:29 AM

SoupJohnB: SoupJohnB: So, their own real function that remains is to track Santa on Christmas Eve, right?  I can see why they'd get sloppy, with so much down time.

"only" real function

/what's the movie being referenced in here?  Haven't seen it


Really?

Wargames.
 
2013-05-09 10:03:07 AM
Doh, Silver beat me to it.
 
2013-05-09 10:09:30 AM

dittybopper: Uranus Is Huge!: Lol. The WOPR is now an app for Android. Really.

[www.wearysloth.com image 320x240]

Mr. Is Huge, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new smart phone sucks.


If you ever come across it, the password is 'joshua'. Be responsible. Play chess.
 
2013-05-09 10:13:21 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: dittybopper: Uranus Is Huge!: Lol. The WOPR is now an app for Android. Really.

[www.wearysloth.com image 320x240]

Mr. Is Huge, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new smart phone sucks.

If you ever come across it, the password is 'joshua'. Be responsible. Play chess.


I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it would help.
 
2013-05-09 10:21:08 AM

PunGent: SoupJohnB: SoupJohnB: So, their own real function that remains is to track Santa on Christmas Eve, right?  I can see why they'd get sloppy, with so much down time.

"only" real function

/what's the movie being referenced in here?  Haven't seen it

Really?

Wargames.


Silverstaff: SoupJohnB: SoupJohnB: So, their own real function that remains is to track Santa on Christmas Eve, right?  I can see why they'd get sloppy, with so much down time.

"only" real function

/what's the movie being referenced in here?  Haven't seen it

Wargames.  1983 hacker film starring a young Matthew Broderick (one of the first films about computer hacking).

About a teenage hacker, a government supercomputer, and a wargame simulation of WW III that the USAF mistakes for an actual USSR attack in progress.

The scene with the missileers in the silos receiving launch orders is popular culture's main mental image of this profession, so it gets referenced every time there is a story about USAF missileers.

IMDB Entry

Wargames Trailer on YouTube

Wikipedia Entry


Thanks!  I did see it once upon a time, when it was new.  Thought this was something more recent.  Time to check it out again.  I had started working in IT, and thought it was a cool update on the "Failsafe" and "Dr. Strangelove" themes.
 
2013-05-09 10:23:42 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: dittybopper: Uranus Is Huge!: Lol. The WOPR is now an app for Android. Really.

[www.wearysloth.com image 320x240]

Mr. Is Huge, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new smart phone sucks.

If you ever come across it, the password is 'joshua'. Be responsible. Play chess.


The password is "joshua", but the code is CPE 1704 TKS.
 
2013-05-09 10:35:56 AM

Pick: Probably an exciting job during the Cold War. Today not so much. Waiting for North Korea and Iran to finish building their bombs, testing them, mounting them to missiles and firing them, has got to be a real drag.

They should let them launch one or two a year, just to keep the fire alive.


We could have a list of cities in countries that we don't like. Once a year, one is randomly chosen and we fire a nuke at it. That should keep the rest of the world in line and remind them all who's in charge of this biatch!
 
2013-05-09 10:48:20 AM
I was reading earlier about Sanford's resurrection - I mean "re-election" in SC.  The writer mentioned that in the same District, they had not only started a civil war, but also elected a US Congressman who urged LBJ to "Make their cities disappear," in retaliation for the Gulf of Tonkin incident.
 
2013-05-09 10:57:56 AM
My college roommate's brother was a missile officer.  He said years after being out of the service occasionally a government car would pull up with 2 officers just to check up on him.  He probably got out in the 1980s...
 
2013-05-09 11:19:19 AM
I can't believe that they haven't outsourced those jobs yet.  Can't someone in India do that job?
 
2013-05-09 11:25:09 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: dittybopper: [cliff.hostkansas.com image 785x576]

Turn your key, Sir.

Lol. The WOPR is now an app for Android. Really.

And I bet my phone has more computing power than all the machines in that movie (Wargames, SoupJohnB)... combined.


It's a fun little game. I've got it.

PainInTheASP: "Skybird, this is Dropkick with a red dash alpha message in two parts. Break. Break. Red dash alpha."

"Stand by to copy message."

"Golf. Tango. Foxtrot. Oscar. Authentication: Golf. Bravo. Tango. Whiskey."


GTFO, GBTW.

Get The Fark Out, Go Back To Work?
 
2013-05-09 11:25:44 AM
I remember standing in line for the premier of the Return of the Jedi in DC and the guys promoting Wargames came by and gave us all free ice cream (it was a beastly hot day).
 
2013-05-09 11:34:42 AM
I'll have a WOPR

/not
 
2013-05-09 11:46:20 AM
How many years has this program been running to finally get a generation of hipster snowflakes rotating through and finally putting things into perspective and see the reality has got all to do with the debt of gratitude you all owe to Obama.
 
2013-05-09 12:17:55 PM

rnatalie: Here's a picture of the commander taken back in the day....


/fap?
 
2013-05-09 12:51:21 PM
Ready to step in

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-09 02:04:44 PM

SoupJohnB: So, their own real function that remains is to track Santa on Christmas Eve, right?  I can see why they'd get sloppy, with so much down time.


You seem to be confusing Norad with Minot.  They aren't even in the same state... ok, they are.  Still, one is a missile field and the other is a command bunker built under a mountain.  Slightly different operations.
 
2013-05-09 02:33:25 PM

Kahabut: SoupJohnB: So, their own real function that remains is to track Santa on Christmas Eve, right?  I can see why they'd get sloppy, with so much down time.

You seem to be confusing Norad with Minot.  They aren't even in the same state... ok, they are.  Still, one is a missile field and the other is a command bunker built under a mountain.  Slightly different operations.


I was trying to make a funny, but I guess that was pretty lame.

/knows about the old SAC bases

//Santa is still real to me though, dammit!
 
2013-05-09 03:34:25 PM

trappedspirit: How many years has this program been running to finally get a generation of hipster snowflakes rotating through and finally putting things into perspective and see the reality has got all to do with the debt of gratitude you all owe to Obama.


Awright, the fark did you drag HIM in here for??

Seriously.
 
2013-05-09 03:57:29 PM

dittybopper: rnatalie: By the way, she tells me the reason she is wearing sunglasses in an underground facility is she broke her regular pair during that shift.

It's 4,890 miles to Moscow, we got a complex full of missiles, half a pack of cigarettes, we're underground... and we're wearing sunglasses.


not that we needed all that, but once you  get locked in to a nuclear arsenal the tendency is to push it as far as you can.
 
2013-05-09 09:24:18 PM
Northern tier is northern tier. Minot is just Loring without trees.
 
2013-05-10 01:33:30 AM

mod3072: We could have a list of cities in countries that we don't like. Once a year, one is randomly chosen and we fire a nuke at it.


But enough about the Wolfowitz Doctrine.
 
2013-05-10 01:51:11 AM
This happened before in about 82, with a whole bunch of officers getting removed then too.  My uncle got his Chief Master Sargent stripe as incitement to go up to Minot and get them to pass inspection that time.  After he had been there for 3 months they passed inspection and after 6 months they got excellent.  Too bad he is almost 80 now I think they could use an old fashion approach.
He was also NCOIC Quality Control for the nukes at Little Rock when the missile exploded in the silo.  That was the time someone dropped a wrench inside the missile nicking the fuel cell skin.  He tells some interesting details about that.  One of the things was telling an Colonel off and he and his crew leaving instead of getting blown up.  The colonel did not want to open the silo something about Russian satellites.  Uncle left with his crew and the lt. Colonel DCM stayed and attempted to get orders to open and vent the vapor.  He was almost killed when the cab of his pick-up was cut up my the lid coming off in the explosion.  Only thing that saved him was the strange thought that he should duck.
Uncle started out with missiles in Turkey with the missiles that were pulled as part of the agreement after the Bay of Pigs.  His former commander from Turkey got him the waver and stripe to help fix the Minot situation in 82.
 
2013-05-10 03:55:37 AM
We lived at Minot when I was a kid in the late '80s early '90s, and my dad was a young officer there. He was a B-52 nav, though, not a missile guy. He would make fun of them occasionally, referring to them as "coneheads". He held this attitude through the rest of his career, I remember talking to him years later about navigator school and he said the guys that dropped out of it (which he said you had to be pretty dumb to do) would usually go to missile school, which is for the really incompetent.  I used to think that this talk was probably just inner-Air Force rivalries, but this article makes me think the old man may have been on to something.
 
2013-05-10 09:44:28 AM

Kahabut: SoupJohnB: So, their own real function that remains is to track Santa on Christmas Eve, right?  I can see why they'd get sloppy, with so much down time.

You seem to be confusing Norad with Minot.  They aren't even in the same state... ok, they are.  Still, one is a missile field and the other is a command bunker built under a mountain.  Slightly different operations.


Does either one have a big board?   Or is that just the war room?
 
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