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(Gawker)   Texas Congressman Steve Stockman (R-ifle), who wants to arm fetuses, is raffling off a Bushmaster AR-15. FYI, the raffle is open to all US citizens of legal age not restricted from owning an assault-style weapon   (gawker.com ) divider line
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2013-05-09 08:18:33 AM  
I signed up.  Hell, everyone should.  Increasing the chance that a non-Conservative wins it is a moral imperative.
 
2013-05-09 08:56:20 AM  
It's only an "assault-looking" rifle, so pass.
 
2013-05-09 09:27:35 AM  
I signed up.  Then it takes you to a donation page which I'm not going to do.

/My congressman is crazier than yours.
 
2013-05-09 09:31:03 AM  
Signed up...

Could use the 2K + I could turn around and sell it for the next day.

Or I would just go down to the south side and give it out on a random street corner.
 
2013-05-09 09:38:17 AM  
And this is stupid why?
 
2013-05-09 09:39:16 AM  
This is just a government plot to get the names of all people who want to own an assault rifle so they can put you in fema camps, you poor naive chumps are so screwed.
 
2013-05-09 09:39:41 AM  
It's not even fully automatic. Or is it, Obama?
 
2013-05-09 09:39:44 AM  

lenfromak: And this is stupid why?


Tag might be for the Congresscritter's 'arm the fetuses' statement.  From the sub-link:

http://gawker.com/5994568/texas-congressman-asks-you-to-imagine-a-fe tu s-shooting-a-gun-in-the-womb
 
2013-05-09 09:40:20 AM  
Signed up.
If I win, I promise to have it destroyed.  And videotape it.
 
2013-05-09 09:41:28 AM  

PunGent: lenfromak: And this is stupid why?

Tag might be for the Congresscritter's 'arm the fetuses' statement.  From the sub-link:

http://gawker.com/5994568/texas-congressman-asks-you-to-imagine-a-fe tu s-shooting-a-gun-in-the-womb


I think it's because subby is part of the .08 percenters who hate people who win free things.
 
2013-05-09 09:41:30 AM  
What happened to "pry it from my cold dead hands"?
 
2013-05-09 09:43:10 AM  
Destroy something worth $2,000 without trying to sell it? Only a a dirty Libby libb would think that would be a good idea.
 
2013-05-09 09:43:22 AM  

dahmers love zombie: I signed up.  Hell, everyone should.  Increasing the chance that a non-Conservative wins it is a moral imperative.


And why is that?
 
2013-05-09 09:43:31 AM  

reillan: Signed up.
If I win, I promise to have it destroyed.  And videotape it.


www.dotallyrad.com
 
2013-05-09 09:43:34 AM  
What exactly is an "assault-style weapon"? Because I don't know of any restrictions in TX that use that wording in it's definition.

\oh, you mean a scary black gun
\\Signed up
 
2013-05-09 09:43:59 AM  

reillan: Signed up.
If I win, I promise to have it destroyed.  And videotape it.


Moron.
 
2013-05-09 09:45:15 AM  
Sign me up. Free rifle? Heck yeah!
 
2013-05-09 09:45:29 AM  
www.bartcop.com
 
2013-05-09 09:47:28 AM  

Headso: This is just a government plot to get the names of all people who want to own an assault rifle so they can put you in fema camps, you poor naive chumps are so screwed.


I know you are kidding, but that is the funny part. The government already has access to weapons ownership (or at least the probability of):

NRA membership list
Gun enthusiast magazine mailing lists
etc
 
2013-05-09 09:48:47 AM  
I like how the donation page you get directed to says Obama is trying to ban weapons.  Which is totally false

But a free AR-15 is a free AR-15.  Might sell it and get a hunting rifle so I could actually go hunting

or i could sell it so I can buy ammo for the gun.
 
2013-05-09 09:49:21 AM  

neversubmit: [www.bartcop.com image 700x500]


The firearm is not owned by the child. It's owned by the adult, who must purchase it and is responsible for what his child does with it.

I'm all for teaching my kids to shoot -- I started at 9 years old, and my kids are learning. The Boy Scout troops in the area have a marksmanship team, and the local 4H does as well.

Having a rifle a kid can learn on is a good thing.  Being a dumbass who gives their kid a gun without supervising them is a bad thing.

Now go stand on the bodies of some dead kids somewhere else for your political points.
 
2013-05-09 09:49:23 AM  

GardenWeasel: Headso: This is just a government plot to get the names of all people who want to own an assault rifle so they can put you in fema camps, you poor naive chumps are so screwed.

I know you are kidding, but that is the funny part. The government already has access to weapons ownership (or at least the probability of):

NRA membership list
Gun enthusiast magazine mailing lists
etc



Form 4473
 
2013-05-09 09:49:24 AM  

reillan: Signed up.
If I win, I promise to have it destroyed.  And videotape it.


You should shoot up a copy of the Bill of Rights 1st though.
 
2013-05-09 09:51:40 AM  

kkinnison: I like how the donation page you get directed to says Obama is trying to ban weapons.  Which is totally false

But a free AR-15 is a free AR-15.  Might sell it and get a hunting rifle so I could actually go hunting

or i could sell it so I can buy ammo for the gun.



I'd sell it, buy a nice Mossberg or Remington 12-ga., and a case of shells.
 
2013-05-09 09:52:06 AM  

Intrepid00: reillan: Signed up.
If I win, I promise to have it destroyed.  And videotape it.

You should shoot up a copy of the Bill of Rights 1st though.


For the irony?
 
2013-05-09 09:52:40 AM  

reillan: Signed up.
If I win, I promise to have it destroyed.  And videotape it.


That's fine.  Just remember to pay the taxes on the estimated value of your winnings.  You can do what you want with your own property after that.

If you win, however.  But you don't strike me as the winning kind.
 
2013-05-09 09:53:21 AM  
There's a joke to be made involving horrible things happening to a guy called Stockman, but I'm too sleep-deprived to come up with a fly pun that isn't ham-fisted and lame.
 
2013-05-09 09:53:33 AM  

give me doughnuts: GardenWeasel: Headso: This is just a government plot to get the names of all people who want to own an assault rifle so they can put you in fema camps, you poor naive chumps are so screwed.

I know you are kidding, but that is the funny part. The government already has access to weapons ownership (or at least the probability of):

NRA membership list
Gun enthusiast magazine mailing lists
etc


Form 4473


The difference here is that the mailing lists of these publications are generally kept confidential and require a warrant to access. the 4473s are not digitized and searchable, therefore require people to dig through them if they need to look for something.

The point to that is that a registry held by the government that is open to being searched by law enforcement without any kind of warrant being required or safeguards on it to prevent abuse is a bad thing.  This is why I prefer to make it as difficult as possible for the government to access such records, and medical records, and the like so that they have to put in work to do it and are therefore dissuaded from doing so unless they really need to, and there's an iota of preservation of privacy.

Now, if you could design a system whereby gun info was stored in database A with nothing identifiable but a transaction number tied to it, and purchaser's State and ID number were stored with a transaction number in database B, and to access both parts you had to have a warrant to access a system, C, to Put the two together, that would be marginally acceptable.
 
2013-05-09 09:54:05 AM  

give me doughnuts: GardenWeasel: Headso: This is just a government plot to get the names of all people who want to own an assault rifle so they can put you in fema camps, you poor naive chumps are so screwed.

I know you are kidding, but that is the funny part. The government already has access to weapons ownership (or at least the probability of):

NRA membership list
Gun enthusiast magazine mailing lists
etc


Form 4473


That too. But that may not catch private/forum/gun show sales.
 
2013-05-09 09:55:38 AM  

Bravo Two: neversubmit: [www.bartcop.com image 700x500]

The firearm is not owned by the child. It's owned by the adult, who must purchase it and is responsible for what his child does with it.

I'm all for teaching my kids to shoot -- I started at 9 years old, and my kids are learning. The Boy Scout troops in the area have a marksmanship team, and the local 4H does as well.

Having a rifle a kid can learn on is a good thing.  Being a dumbass who gives their kid a gun without supervising them is a bad thing.

Now go stand on the bodies of some dead kids somewhere else for your political points.


Couldn't have said it better myself.

My biggest qualm with gun-grabbers is that they know nothing about guns or the laws surrounding them.
 
2013-05-09 09:55:56 AM  
People are all "I'm pro life!" and "I'm pro choice!"  Unlike other movements, the people who are arguing are doing so not for their OWN rights, but for unborn children.

So, if we arm the fetus, when that doctor comes in with the scalpel, they can stand up for their own rights...
 
2013-05-09 09:56:10 AM  

Bravo Two: neversubmit: [www.bartcop.com image 700x500]

The firearm is not owned by the child. It's owned by the adult, who must purchase it and is responsible for what his child does with it.

I'm all for teaching my kids to shoot -- I started at 9 years old, and my kids are learning. The Boy Scout troops in the area have a marksmanship team, and the local 4H does as well.

Having a rifle a kid can learn on is a good thing.  Being a dumbass who gives their kid a gun without supervising them is a bad thing.

Now go stand on the bodies of some dead kids somewhere else for your political points.


If I win the AR-15 I'll drive around to Elementary schools and do just that, happy now?
 
2013-05-09 09:56:15 AM  
Don't care.

baka-san: Signed up...
Could use the 2K + I could turn around and sell it for the next day.
Or I would just go down to the south side and give it out on a random street corner.


Hmm, I *could* use the cash...
 
2013-05-09 09:58:55 AM  
I'm still yet to understand the fervor behind gun restrictions.
 
2013-05-09 09:59:13 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Intrepid00: reillan: Signed up.
If I win, I promise to have it destroyed.  And videotape it.

You should shoot up a copy of the Bill of Rights 1st though.

For the irony?


Yes.
 
2013-05-09 09:59:30 AM  

dahmers love zombie: I signed up.  Hell, everyone should.  Increasing the chance that a non-Conservative wins it is a moral imperative.


Win, sell, donate to his opposition, become a fark headline.
 
2013-05-09 10:00:18 AM  
They all laughed at me.  I'll show them.  I'll show them all.
 
2013-05-09 10:01:13 AM  
I think the saddest part is that this is all it takes to get votes from mouth breathers in Texas.
 
2013-05-09 10:02:09 AM  

Bravo Two: give me doughnuts: GardenWeasel: Headso: This is just a government plot to get the names of all people who want to own an assault rifle so they can put you in fema camps, you poor naive chumps are so screwed.

I know you are kidding, but that is the funny part. The government already has access to weapons ownership (or at least the probability of):

NRA membership list
Gun enthusiast magazine mailing lists
etc


Form 4473

The difference here is that the mailing lists of these publications are generally kept confidential and require a warrant to access. the 4473s are not digitized and searchable, therefore require people to dig through them if they need to look for something.

The point to that is that a registry held by the government that is open to being searched by law enforcement without any kind of warrant being required or safeguards on it to prevent abuse is a bad thing.  This is why I prefer to make it as difficult as possible for the government to access such records, and medical records, and the like so that they have to put in work to do it and are therefore dissuaded from doing so unless they really need to, and there's an iota of preservation of privacy.

Now, if you could design a system whereby gun info was stored in database A with nothing identifiable but a transaction number tied to it, and purchaser's State and ID number were stored with a transaction number in database B, and to access both parts you had to have a warrant to access a system, C, to Put the two together, that would be marginally acceptable.


The NRA sells their membership list to marketers, just like any other company. So barring a HIPPA-like law, their is nothing preventing government access (or preventing a private party from buying and publishing it)
 
2013-05-09 10:02:12 AM  

DubtodaIll: I'm still yet to understand the fervor behind gun restrictions.


Probably Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin.  You fight emotion with derpy emotion like fighting fire with fire, and you're surprised when all you get is everything on fire.
 
2013-05-09 10:03:12 AM  

DubtodaIll: I'm still yet to understand the fervor behind gun restrictions.


Younger voters overwhelmingly are anti-gun and don't care about the 2nd amendment. This means pushing anti-gun gives Democrats even more votes. Of course, all those politicians have armed guards, some even have armed guards protecting their kids at school. But that is only for the overlords, peons should not have such rights.
 
2013-05-09 10:05:45 AM  
Also signed up, not sure if I'd keep it or sell it though. For the price of an Ar-15 I could probably get 2-3 really nice guns I've been looking at and even have money left over for ammo.
 
2013-05-09 10:07:10 AM  

DubtodaIll: I'm still yet to understand the fervor behind gun restrictions.


it's for the children.
 
2013-05-09 10:08:33 AM  
The only thing I saw on that page was: "right-wing derp blah blah free AR-15 more teaparty derp herp derp"

I can't in good conscience even feign support for this nutball; not even for a really nice gun. Don't sell us out for some trinkets, like Judas did to Jesus for silver.
 
2013-05-09 10:08:35 AM  
The question is, wil they take my picture?  What ID do I have to submit to obtain my winnin's?  Do I need to register it for tax purposes? (Winnings).
*Looks askance*  IT'S A TRAP! .jpg
 
2013-05-09 10:09:02 AM  

Thunderpipes: DubtodaIll: I'm still yet to understand the fervor behind gun restrictions.

Younger voters overwhelmingly are anti-gun and don't care about the 2nd amendment. This means pushing anti-gun gives Democrats even more votes. Of course, all those politicians have armed guards, some even have armed guards protecting their kids at school. But that is only for the overlords, peons should not have such rights.


Hahaha. You guys are hilarious.
Not only do you think Democrats are "anti-gun", but you think they rely on it to get the votes of young people. There was clearly no other difference between the parties and their platforms (and words) in 2012.

Also, sorry to hear you and your family regularly get death threats, but on the plus side you're one of the most powerful people on the planet.
 
2013-05-09 10:11:39 AM  

Marcintosh: The question is, wil they take my picture?


I hope whoever the dirty liberal is that wins it wears an Obama t-shirt to the photo ops.
 
2013-05-09 10:12:01 AM  

Thunderpipes: DubtodaIll: I'm still yet to understand the fervor behind gun restrictions.

Younger voters overwhelmingly are anti-gun and don't care about the 2nd amendment. This means pushing anti-gun gives Democrats even more votes. Of course, all those politicians have armed guards, some even have armed guards protecting their kids at school. But that is only for the overlords, peons should not have such rights.


Yeah that does make sense on the micro level.  But as far as national discussion is concerned I don't understand why gun rights have been such a dominant issue lately.  I honestly haven't  seen a gun recently much less used one, and the only people I see carrying guns are police.  I have never seen a gun fired in anger or stupidity.    I also live in Georgia.  I have been trained in using pistols, rifles, and shotguns.  I have never owned one nor feel the need to own one.  I have no problem with guns or people who use them for sport.  I have no problem with people buying whatever the hell they want.
It just doesn't seem like an issue worthy of the attention it has received lately.  Meanwhile oureconomy is still floundering and we have no sense of national direction.
 
2013-05-09 10:12:55 AM  

Bravo Two: neversubmit: [www.bartcop.com image 700x500]

The firearm is not owned by the child. It's owned by the adult, who must purchase it and is responsible for what his child does with it.

I'm all for teaching my kids to shoot -- I started at 9 years old, and my kids are learning. The Boy Scout troops in the area have a marksmanship team, and the local 4H does as well.

Having a rifle a kid can learn on is a good thing.  Being a dumbass who gives their kid a gun without supervising them is a bad thing.

Now go stand on the bodies of some dead kids somewhere else for your political points.


I'm a dirty lib, and you're absolutely right. I wonder about the age range those things are being marketed to though. The girl in the picture looks maybe 7. Ultimately, if the child is too young to understand and practice the basic rules of gun safety they shouldn't be using a gun, period. 9-10 seems like a good age range, but all kids will be different.
 
2013-05-09 10:14:10 AM  

give me doughnuts: kkinnison: I like how the donation page you get directed to says Obama is trying to ban weapons.  Which is totally false

But a free AR-15 is a free AR-15.  Might sell it and get a hunting rifle so I could actually go hunting

or i could sell it so I can buy ammo for the gun.


I'd sell it, buy a nice Mossberg or Remington 12-ga., and a case of shells.


Sometimes I feel sad. Then I blow up some clay pigeons with my Remmy 870 and I feel happy again.
 
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