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(Guardian)   Psychic faces backlash for telling mother of Amanda Berry that her daughter was dead back in 2004. She probably should have seen this coming   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 149
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2013-05-09 08:02:42 AM
She's a well known con artist, and quite a despicable person.  Don't forget also, though, that Montel Williams is a despicable shill as well.  promoting frauds and even payday loans.  fark him sideways as well.
 
2013-05-09 08:11:06 AM
www.randi.org
 
2013-05-09 08:13:25 AM
Rik01: . He's around 60% to 70% correct when asked personal questions.
You mean like his name? weight? when he took a dump last? Not sure id call that psychic.
 
2013-05-09 08:17:41 AM

AbbeySomeone: chrylis: paulseta: The fact that Amanda is back from the dead due to Sylvia's prayers should make those who criticise her hang their heads in shame. My heart truly went into abasement upon seeing that some people will always point the finger at America's true heroes.

RexTalionis: Either you are the stupidest person on the planet, or this is some sort of a troll.

Cosmic_Music: The sane community frowns on your shenanigans.

hardinparamedic: 25.media.tumblr.com

that one guy with the face: On a scale of one to ten, you're a dumbass.

I think that based on this catch, I'm going to have to award the coveted 10/10!

I'll give it a 10 as well.

Sylvia Browne's statement was straight up manipulative bullsh*t and she should be sued for telling Amanda's mother that her daughter was dead.


Then I should be allowed to sue my stockbroker.
 
2013-05-09 08:20:04 AM

Rik01: Me, personally, I'm not actually sure about psychic abilities, being able to explain many as 'cold reading' but then there are those incidents where they're just too dead on.


I hit an 8-team college basketball parlay in vegas last time I went.  Doesn't mean I can manage the book at the LVH.
 
2013-05-09 08:28:26 AM
maybe she was just telling that poor mom what she needed to hear.
 
2013-05-09 08:36:45 AM
Anyone who believes in psychics should be committed to a stupid asylum.
 
2013-05-09 08:38:53 AM
This lady is an f-ing whackjob. I would see her on Montel and she would just look at someone and then proclaim such imaginative bullshiat like, "You were an Indian squaw in your last life and you got raped by your chief." "You were a candlemaker in England in the 1820s and died of TB."

Totally WTF?
 
2013-05-09 08:39:36 AM

meow said the dog: LAUGHTER OL even David Blaine does the better cold readings than Sylvia Browne who charges the thousands of dollars for the fraud of this.  I do not have the problem with the best illusion of she and that is making the money of the individuals who are dumb enough to have the trust in the psychic disappear.  TA-DA OL!

She has also done the prediction of the flat tax many years in the row and yet people still have the trust in she. No one is the psychic individual.  Most children have the understanding of this.


Hey! Good to "read" you, Meow!  Hope you are well and happy.
 
2013-05-09 08:42:54 AM
I'm sure that psychic abilities exist. And someone above who described it matter of factly is right. I knew a girl who mentioned it in passing one day. "oh I can read peoples minds, not everyone, not all the time, but I get images and stuff"one time we were chatting online and I was begging her to it for me and she basically described the inside of my room, which she had unfortunately never seen, in good detail. I get why she would hide the ability, it makes you a freak. I don't get why people are so against the possibility either. Cold reading is one thing, but to think that out of the billions of people out there that noone has extra sensory abilities is crazy. Maybe they can't shoot fireballs or bend spoons or "push" you (I love firestarter) but you see great poker players, or someone like David Blaine and you think its possible they pick up signals from someone's mind. I think David Blaine can read or pick up signals from some peoples minds. Not like know their every though, but maybe pick stuff up. its hard to prove it scientifically though as it seems to manifest itself inconsistently even among those who have abilities. google don Decker. My buddies dad was there and saw it and he's a grizzled jaded hard nosed cop. Get a couple beers in him and hell go all silent about it and just stare off before giving you cryptic answers about "some shiat that makes you believe in the devil" as he puts it.
 
2013-05-09 08:47:32 AM

Boxingoutsider: I'm sure that psychic abilities exist. And someone above who described it matter of factly is right. I knew a girl who mentioned it in passing one day. "oh I can read peoples minds, not everyone, not all the time, but I get images and stuff"one time we were chatting online and I was begging her to it for me and she basically described the inside of my room, which she had unfortunately never seen, in good detail. I get why she would hide the ability, it makes you a freak. I don't get why people are so against the possibility either. Cold reading is one thing, but to think that out of the billions of people out there that noone has extra sensory abilities is crazy. Maybe they can't shoot fireballs or bend spoons or "push" you (I love firestarter) but you see great poker players, or someone like David Blaine and you think its possible they pick up signals from someone's mind. I think David Blaine can read or pick up signals from some peoples minds. Not like know their every though, but maybe pick stuff up. its hard to prove it scientifically though as it seems to manifest itself inconsistently even among those who have abilities. google don Decker. My buddies dad was there and saw it and he's a grizzled jaded hard nosed cop. Get a couple beers in him and hell go all silent about it and just stare off before giving you cryptic answers about "some shiat that makes you believe in the devil" as he puts it.


I'm willing to be shown evidence.  So is James Randi, in fact his offer of a million dollars still stands for anyone who can prove that they have paranormal abilities under proper experimental conditions.  Why do you think that prize money remains unclaimed?  I'll give you a hint, it's because it's all bullshiat and psychic powers do not exist in any way, shape or form.
 
2013-05-09 08:54:01 AM

optimus_grime: maybe she was just telling that poor mom what she needed to hear.


What that poor mom needed to hear and what she wanted to hear are two different things. Not that she got either from this callous old hag who stated her daughter was dead.

Look at this article to see how much solace she gave to other parents and relatives of missing people.

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/psychic_defective_sylvia_brownes_histo ry _of_failure

This is a very evil woman.
 
2013-05-09 08:54:40 AM

SundaesChild: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sylvia Brown is a fraud and a charlatan of extraordinary magnitude

/but if you're stupid enough to believe her bullsh*t, you deserve what you get

I would not call a grieving mother searching for a missing child "stupid." "Desperate," on the other hand...


Yep.  And that makes it worse.  She's a parasite, existing on the money of desperate people who are at the lowest points of their lives.  The worst kind of scum.
 
2013-05-09 08:57:50 AM

nekom: Boxingoutsider: I'm sure that psychic abilities exist. And someone above who described it matter of factly is right. I knew a girl who mentioned it in passing one day. "oh I can read peoples minds, not everyone, not all the time, but I get images and stuff"one time we were chatting online and I was begging her to it for me and she basically described the inside of my room, which she had unfortunately never seen, in good detail. I get why she would hide the ability, it makes you a freak. I don't get why people are so against the possibility either. Cold reading is one thing, but to think that out of the billions of people out there that noone has extra sensory abilities is crazy. Maybe they can't shoot fireballs or bend spoons or "push" you (I love firestarter) but you see great poker players, or someone like David Blaine and you think its possible they pick up signals from someone's mind. I think David Blaine can read or pick up signals from some peoples minds. Not like know their every though, but maybe pick stuff up. its hard to prove it scientifically though as it seems to manifest itself inconsistently even among those who have abilities. google don Decker. My buddies dad was there and saw it and he's a grizzled jaded hard nosed cop. Get a couple beers in him and hell go all silent about it and just stare off before giving you cryptic answers about "some shiat that makes you believe in the devil" as he puts it.

I'm willing to be shown evidence.  So is James Randi, in fact his offer of a million dollars still stands for anyone who can prove that they have paranormal abilities under proper experimental conditions.  Why do you think that prize money remains unclaimed?  I'll give you a hint, it's because it's all bullshiat and psychic powers do not exist in any way, shape or form.


I do believe that authentic psychic abilities exist -- however, I do not believe yet that science has created the proper testing technology to capture/identify whatever energies emitting from a part of the brain while it is being exhibited, much less design accurate testing protocols to validate proof through controlled settings and repetition of results. Randi is definitely, in my opinion, on the exact right track, calling for unquestionable scientific proof.
 
2013-05-09 08:57:58 AM
fireclown:
Yep.  And that makes it worse.  She's a parasite, existing on the money of desperate people who are at the lowest points of their lives.  The worst kind of scum.

Second to the worst tier, in my opinion.  The worst being the likes of say Peter Popoff et. al. who claim to have healed people.  These people then fail to seek ACTUAL medical help, which can be life threatening.  Then you have phony psychics (redundant) who defraud people and can cause emotional distress.  Then it goes all the way down to relatively harmless fortune tellers at renaissance festivals and such.
 
2013-05-09 09:00:38 AM
ugh.  Recent Sylvia Browne FB post:

**snip**
As I stated earlier, I am so relieved that Amanda Berry and the other women have been found and are safe with their families. Of course I do feel very bad telling Amanda's mother on the show that I believed her daughter was not alive, and I'm so so glad that I was wrong. I had a vision of her being held underwater, but I had interpreted it to have a different meaning. She was not being held under water but was being held down.

I want to make this clear for all of the people who are upset about my prediction on the show that day. Most people writing or posting about this story have not watched the show. For those of you who want to know what I did say to her mother, following are my exact words from the transcript.

Amanda's mother asked me asked me if I was ever wrong and this is what I said to her.

"Only God is right all the time but of course I'm wrong," Browne responded. "But after 50 years of doing this work, I'd better be more right than wrong. I always say I hope I'm wrong. When it comes to this, I hope I'm wrong."
**snip**

MODS:  If this is a party foul, please delete the post.
 
2013-05-09 09:03:26 AM
Several years ago I watched this lying coont on the Montel Williams show giving her predictions for the upcoming year. Scribbling like a maniac I managed to write most of them down. Exactly NONE of the predictions came to pass. Yet, here she is again on the tube several times a year with more BS. I guess people like being scammed.
 
2013-05-09 09:04:19 AM

drxym: optimus_grime: maybe she was just telling that poor mom what she needed to hear.

What that poor mom needed to hear and what she wanted to hear are two different things. Not that she got either from this callous old hag who stated her daughter was dead.

Look at this article to see how much solace she gave to other parents and relatives of missing people.

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/psychic_defective_sylvia_brownes_histo ry _of_failure

This is a very evil woman.


http://www.novus.org/home/index.cfm

Here is info on her churches.
 
2013-05-09 09:07:10 AM

nekom: Second to the worst tier, in my opinion. The worst being the likes of say Peter Popoff et. al. who claim to have healed people. These people then fail to seek ACTUAL medical help, which can be life threatening. Then you have phony psychics (redundant) who defraud people and can cause emotional distress. Then it goes all the way down to relatively harmless fortune tellers at renaissance festivals and such.



Yeah, but Browne is still awful.
 
2013-05-09 09:10:55 AM

fireclown: nekom: Second to the worst tier, in my opinion. The worst being the likes of say Peter Popoff et. al. who claim to have healed people. These people then fail to seek ACTUAL medical help, which can be life threatening. Then you have phony psychics (redundant) who defraud people and can cause emotional distress. Then it goes all the way down to relatively harmless fortune tellers at renaissance festivals and such.


Yeah, but Browne is still awful.


Absolutely.  Can't argue that.
 
2013-05-09 09:18:02 AM

Lorelle: She's no different from religious leaders telling people to give $$ to their churches and pray to some imaginary god for help.


Or a Senator saying if we raise taxes just a little, government canfix your problems.
 
2013-05-09 09:22:02 AM

Boxingoutsider: I'm sure that psychic abilities exist. And someone above who described it matter of factly is right. I knew a girl who mentioned it in passing one day. "oh I can read peoples minds, not everyone, not all the time, but I get images and stuff"one time we were chatting online and I was begging her to it for me and she basically described the inside of my room, which she had unfortunately never seen, in good detail. I get why she would hide the ability, it makes you a freak. I don't get why people are so against the possibility either. Cold reading is one thing, but to think that out of the billions of people out there that noone has extra sensory abilities is crazy. Maybe they can't shoot fireballs or bend spoons or "push" you (I love firestarter) but you see great poker players, or someone like David Blaine and you think its possible they pick up signals from someone's mind. I think David Blaine can read or pick up signals from some peoples minds. Not like know their every though, but maybe pick stuff up. its hard to prove it scientifically though as it seems to manifest itself inconsistently even among those who have abilities. google don Decker. My buddies dad was there and saw it and he's a grizzled jaded hard nosed cop. Get a couple beers in him and hell go all silent about it and just stare off before giving you cryptic answers about "some shiat that makes you believe in the devil" as he puts it.


Good poker players have good intuition. Even they don't know exactly how they do it. They are just picking up clues subconsciously and going with their gut. It's not magic. We just don't know how they do it.
 
2013-05-09 09:51:11 AM

Lorelle: She's no different from religious leaders telling people to give $$ to their churches and pray to some imaginary god for help.


Bingo
 
2013-05-09 10:07:11 AM
I have a power similar to those that talk to spirits.

I can usually percieve living persons, and if they are not hard of hearing and can speak english, I can often communicate with them.

Now, If you go to a spirit talker and say I'd like to speak with my dear father, they can usually bring him right up.

I do not have that kind of commanded contact though.  If you come into my office and tell me you want to speak to your dad or David Spade, you had probably bring him in with you, or provide me his phone number.
 
2013-05-09 10:19:19 AM

fireclown: I had a vision of her being held underwater, but I had interpreted it to have a different meaning. She was not being held under water but was being held down.


This is better than her usual suggestion of "she's near running water." Stream, river, sewer, parking lot after a rain, basement with pipes...  Maybe she was chained to an overhead pipe and the prediction was dead on. If that detail comes out watch for Sylvia Browne to claim she was accurate all along.  Except for the whole being dead thing.  Maybe she meant there were timesAmanda Berry wished she were dead.
 
2013-05-09 10:39:32 AM
For more than 50 years as a spiritual psychic and guide, when called upon to either help authorities with missing person cases or to help families with questions about their loved ones, I have been more right than wrong

Am I hearing this right?  She is batting over 500 for more than 50 years?  She should be rich as hell predicting the market!  Or the Kentucky Derby!  Or.....
 
2013-05-09 10:47:31 AM

meow said the dog: not have the problem with the best illusion of she and that is making the money


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2013-05-09 11:17:25 AM
*ring ring ring*

Phone Psychic: Hello, Madame Carla here for all your needs.

Voice: You're not really a psychic, are you?

Phone Psychic: Of course I am!

Voice: If you were really psychic, you wouldn't have answered the phone. I'm not paying you shiat for this call.
 
2013-05-09 11:28:20 AM
Browne is psychic. Only you have to go with the complete opposite of what she is saying. She declares someone dead? That person is alive. The man hunt is on. She declares someone alive? Call off the dogs. That person is pushing up daisies.
 
2013-05-09 11:28:54 AM

paulseta: This is shameful.



You got a lot of bites from morons. thats a solid 8 of 10 because most never got it.

Nice Jorb.
 
2013-05-09 11:32:05 AM
This is not even the first time this charlatan has told a parent their missing child was dead and been proven wrong. Too bad her clientele will continue to believe regardless, and continue lining the vulture's pockets.
 
2013-05-09 12:15:10 PM

swingerofbirches: The part of that story that jumped out at me was that the mother died not knowing (or maybe misbelieving cos of this quack). And the daughter is free now, and her mother is gone. I hadn't heard that part. That's tragic.


Maybe a psychic as formidable as Sylvia Browne can put Amanda in touch with her dead mother.
 
2013-05-09 12:16:39 PM
If there ARE real psychics they are most likely living anonymous lives somewhere. They have won a huge lottery jackpot or are playing the stock market in secret and are living a secluded life of wealth somewhere. Making money that way sure beats the emotional toil of dealing with grieving people every day. If you really wanted to help in those cases as well you could make anonymous tips to the police to help solve the cases.
 
2013-05-09 01:07:57 PM
Over the years I have met so-called "psychics" who can predict/see the future, and I ask them the same two questions: (1) what are next week's winning lottery numbers, and (2) who is going to win the SuperBowl next year, so I can be the house before the football season starts. Gotta love the looks on their faces and the uncomfortable silence that they produce afterwards, which is then followed by some inane BS ramblings about the psychic medium.
 
2013-05-09 01:09:06 PM
Make that "bet" the house....
 
2013-05-09 01:14:03 PM

paulseta: This is shameful.


All psychic powers demonstrated cannot be duplicated by con artists, magicians and mentalists.

Psychic powers have been duplicated successfully under close scientific experiment many times. Their nature is not vague and insubstantial. Any con artist who has pretended to be a real psychic has been found out.


People claim that psychic powers are claimed to be had by con artists, and the scam runs in three stages which may be repeated if the victim is willing.

These stages may be combined or rearranged but all three stages will occur.


Stage One: The psychic proves their powers. This can include:-


Telling a client facts about their life through special powers.

Telling a client facts about their life through full trance medium powers.

Performing an impossible feat of physicality. Swamis often claim walking on broken glass, hammering a nail into one's face etc. are proof of special powers.

Have previous clients recommend the psychic. The previous clients are the many, many satisfied customers.


Stage Two: The psychic provides a psychic service. This can include:-


Removal of curses (e.g. slit the throat of a chicken and spray them with the blood - the most common)

Revealing information about the person's personality (e.g. palmistry)

Providing advice as to how the person could act in the future (e.g. tarot)

Tell the person their future. (e.g. crystal ball gazing)

Providing unknown information (e.g. position of a lost person)

Holding a conversation with a dead person or pet.

Stage Three: The psychic will solicit a donation. It's only fair that people are paid for such mastery of magic!


The person will be asked to donate to the psychic.

The person will may have to give up an 'offering' for removal of a curse.

The victim will purchase a lucky charm, which is lucky.

The victim will pay a set fee or per minute via phone (most of the best psychics are on the phone lines, although it's hard to then, for example, remove curses via chicke ...


hostmypicture.com
 
2013-05-09 01:22:11 PM
I still don't understand why someone who "advises the police" and gives declarative statements about crimes on national television that are UNTRUE and MISLEADING isn't being arrested for obstruction of justice, aiding & abetting, or at least her attempts to defraud.

By lying about her knowledge of this case, she misdirected everyone. She made it less likely the victims would be found, and very likely delayed their release from captivity. It could be argued that her statements about the fate of Amanda Berry led to the death of Amanda's mother, who gave up all hope after Browne told her that Amanda was dead.

She didn't just make a generic statement. She gave SPECIFIC INFORMATION that was of a misleading nature, and she had to KNOW she was lying when she made these statements.

She should be in prison, and her entire fortune should be seized and distributed to her victims, the law enforcement agencies who consulted her, and charities that focus on finding lost people.
 
2013-05-09 01:24:39 PM

momojoboo: Over the years I have met so-called "psychics" who can predict/see the future, and I ask them the same two questions: (1) what are next week's winning lottery numbers, and (2) who is going to win the SuperBowl next year, so I can be the house before the football season starts. Gotta love the looks on their faces and the uncomfortable silence that they produce afterwards, which is then followed by some inane BS ramblings about the psychic medium.


Really? Whenever I saw psychics who were asked that question they always had their schtick down pat for those kinds of questions. Seems it would be one of the first thing the psychic learns. Or you could just be making the whole thing up.
 
2013-05-09 01:36:12 PM

Madbassist1: Really? Whenever I saw psychics who were asked that question they always had their schtick down pat for those kinds of questions. Seems it would be one of the first thing the psychic learns. Or you could just be making the whole thing up.


Nope, not made up at all. Of course they had the shtick all lined up, but like I mentioned, it consisted of the mumbo jumbo crap when faced with the type of questions that I asked. And every time it was the same thing - deflecting attention away from my original questions.
 
2013-05-09 01:54:13 PM

momojoboo: Madbassist1: Really? Whenever I saw psychics who were asked that question they always had their schtick down pat for those kinds of questions. Seems it would be one of the first thing the psychic learns. Or you could just be making the whole thing up.

Nope, not made up at all. Of course they had the shtick all lined up, but like I mentioned, it consisted of the mumbo jumbo crap when faced with the type of questions that I asked. And every time it was the same thing - deflecting attention away from my original questions.


I was just jerkin yer chain. I know what your saying.
 
2013-05-09 01:55:23 PM

LikeALeafOnTheWind: Rik01: . He's around 60% to 70% correct when asked personal questions.
You mean like his name? weight? when he took a dump last? Not sure id call that psychic.


For $1.00 I'll guess your weight, your height or your sex.
 
2013-05-09 02:21:39 PM

ZeroCorpse: I still don't understand why someone who "advises the police" and gives declarative statements about crimes on national television that are UNTRUE and MISLEADING isn't being arrested for obstruction of justice, aiding & abetting, or at least her attempts to defraud.

By lying about her knowledge of this case, she misdirected everyone. She made it less likely the victims would be found, and very likely delayed their release from captivity. It could be argued that her statements about the fate of Amanda Berry led to the death of Amanda's mother, who gave up all hope after Browne told her that Amanda was dead.

She didn't just make a generic statement. She gave SPECIFIC INFORMATION that was of a misleading nature, and she had to KNOW she was lying when she made these statements.

She should be in prison, and her entire fortune should be seized and distributed to her victims, the law enforcement agencies who consulted her, and charities that focus on finding lost people.


She owns churches?
 
2013-05-09 03:56:21 PM
I knew a Russian woman once who liked to read cards for people (not for money, she said that spoiled it) and who once out of nowhere informed me that my then-boyfriend's best friend (whom she'd never seen and I'd never talked about) was going to end up in the hospital next week. The next week, he attempted suicide and was taken to the hospital for a few days. I still haven't figured that one out -- it was so specific, not just "Someone you know will have problems in the near future". But I think that if psychics do exist -- and that's a big if -- it's not an ability they can control and so is essentially useless for practical or money-making purposes.

As for Browne, she's scum, but I think you'd have to show that she really damaged the investigation somehow. Do cops truly take her seriously? If anything, given her hit rate, they should probably be looking into the opposite possibility when she "sees" something. I can't blame the families, though; they're desperate, nobody is giving them answers and everything in them demands an answer. If the only person willing to offer an answer is a TV psychic, they may well convince themselves that it couldn't hurt to try -- and at least it would get their missing loved one's name on television again for a few minutes, and who knows who might see it? One thing I do wonder about -- according to one article I saw, the women were able to watch television at least sometimes; Berry and DeJesus saw coverage of their disappearances and the vigils which were held for them. I wonder if Berry saw Sylvia Browne "seeing" her own death? You would have a pretty good argument for causing trauma in that case; nobody could say that Berry was a willing customer of Browne's.
 
2013-05-09 04:25:05 PM

RenownedCurator: I knew a Russian woman once who liked to read cards for people (not for money, she said that spoiled it) and who once out of nowhere informed me that my then-boyfriend's best friend (whom she'd never seen and I'd never talked about) was going to end up in the hospital next week. The next week, he attempted suicide and was taken to the hospital for a few days. I still haven't figured that one out -- it was so specific, not just "Someone you know will have problems in the near future". But I think that if psychics do exist -- and that's a big if -- it's not an ability they can control and so is essentially useless for practical or money-making purposes.


I'm going to go with the "you remember the one time she got it right" theory.

For argument sake, let's pretend there really are people who can see / know the future. How would that work? I mean, what are the mechanics behind it? What laws of nature would be involved?

I just can't see how it would be possible -- which is also why I can't believe in it.
 
2013-05-09 04:40:34 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sylvia Brown is a fraud and a charlatan of extraordinary magnitude

/but if you're stupid enough to believe her bullsh*t, you deserve what you get


True that!  Nobody should be able to fault her for being wrong.  She is not an official authority on anything.  Nobody told you to watch her shows. Nobody told you to buy her books.  People do it because they want to believe.  Even if she gives you a prediction, you have the right to not accept it as fact.  She is an entertainer as much as any actor, singer, comedian, or televangelist.  You're paying her to make yourself feel better.
 
2013-05-09 06:24:45 PM
Hm.  I dropped by her Facebook page during lunch.  Nearly lost it with her attempt at deflection.  Tried to do a drive by posting of the CSI page after work and I couldn't get there.  Tried to get to her Twitter stream.  Page not found.

Ding dong, the witch is dead?  (Hiding, obviously, but yay for public shaming in this case.)
 
2013-05-10 01:39:25 AM

friedlinx: paulseta: This is shameful.


All psychic powers demonstrated cannot be duplicated by con artists, magicians and mentalists.

Psychic powers have been duplicated successfully under close scientific experiment many times. Their nature is not vague and insubstantial. Any con artist who has pretended to be a real psychic has been found out.


People claim that psychic powers are claimed to be had by con artists, and the scam runs in three stages which may be repeated if the victim is willing.

These stages may be combined or rearranged but all three stages will occur.


Stage One: The psychic proves their powers. This can include:-


Telling a client facts about their life through special powers.

Telling a client facts about their life through full trance medium powers.

Performing an impossible feat of physicality. Swamis often claim walking on broken glass, hammering a nail into one's face etc. are proof of special powers.

Have previous clients recommend the psychic. The previous clients are the many, many satisfied customers.


Stage Two: The psychic provides a psychic service. This can include:-


Removal of curses (e.g. slit the throat of a chicken and spray them with the blood - the most common)

Revealing information about the person's personality (e.g. palmistry)

Providing advice as to how the person could act in the future (e.g. tarot)

Tell the person their future. (e.g. crystal ball gazing)

Providing unknown information (e.g. position of a lost person)

Holding a conversation with a dead person or pet.

Stage Three: The psychic will solicit a donation. It's only fair that people are paid for such mastery of magic!


The person will be asked to donate to the psychic.

The person will may have to give up an 'offering' for removal of a curse.

The victim will purchase a lucky charm, which is lucky.

The victim will pay a set fee or per minute via phone (most of the best psychics are on the phone lines, although it's hard to then, for example, remove curses ...


 You're Y'all an idiot


/sorry, pet peeve
 
2013-05-10 11:09:27 AM

dopekitty74: Slaxl: Can this please be the straw that breaks the camels back? We've seen this irresponsible, ghastly practice for a long time and sat from the sidelines saying "idiots... fools and their money are soon parted", but people in the pits of despair will turn to anything for hope. I don't blame them, some go for religion, some go for crazy shiat, they need something to hold on to. These people exploit the most deepest, and emotional pain and trauma, and suffering known to us, and profit from it. They lie, cheat and steal. It needs to stop.

Can we please all just pile on immense amounts of pressure so that this con artist doesn't get off lightly, and never gets work as a psychic again? Or how about finally tackling it through regulation? A simple rule, only those psychics who can demonstrate their abilities in front of a panel of judges are allowed to practice as a qualified psychic. I choose the judges.

Psychic bullshiat has to stop, this is one of the most egregious abuses of trust and power I've ever heard of in this field. To think that the mother was so distraught afterward that she never recovered and died a few years later, ostensibly from the stress of it all, is just heart breaking.

THIS! I honestly believe some people have special abilities, but most often they don't advertise it because they don't want to be associated with the charlatans, attention whores, and thieves. Usually its one of those "Cousin Julia has the craziest knack for finding lost things" or "My grandma always knew when I was sad, even when we hadn't been talking" kind of things. Often it might just be focused on one person or situation. People don't like to be perceived as different from others, and likely don't want to be questioned about these quirks, so they just don't talk about them.


I wouldn't call that "physic". Some people are more intuitive than others, that's it.

Cold readers learn the techniques of intuitive people and pass it off as physic.
 
2013-05-10 11:25:10 AM

badhatharry: Boxingoutsider: I'm sure that psychic abilities exist. And someone above who described it matter of factly is right. I knew a girl who mentioned it in passing one day. "oh I can read peoples minds, not everyone, not all the time, but I get images and stuff"one time we were chatting online and I was begging her to it for me and she basically described the inside of my room, which she had unfortunately never seen, in good detail. I get why she would hide the ability, it makes you a freak. I don't get why people are so against the possibility either. Cold reading is one thing, but to think that out of the billions of people out there that noone has extra sensory abilities is crazy. Maybe they can't shoot fireballs or bend spoons or "push" you (I love firestarter) but you see great poker players, or someone like David Blaine and you think its possible they pick up signals from someone's mind. I think David Blaine can read or pick up signals from some peoples minds. Not like know their every though, but maybe pick stuff up. its hard to prove it scientifically though as it seems to manifest itself inconsistently even among those who have abilities. google don Decker. My buddies dad was there and saw it and he's a grizzled jaded hard nosed cop. Get a couple beers in him and hell go all silent about it and just stare off before giving you cryptic answers about "some shiat that makes you believe in the devil" as he puts it.

Good poker players have good intuition. Even they don't know exactly how they do it. They are just picking up clues subconsciously and going with their gut. It's not magic. We just don't know how they do it.


I have a crackpot theory that good intuition and "going with your gut" are examples of our "reptilian" brain working out what the conscious mind filters out.

Whatever triggers it could be a smell, very slight change in behavior, a mild nervous tick, etc, the reptilian brain alerts the conscious brain with an uneasy feeling or a vague sense of "something ain't right here". That has saved my ass a few times.

It's definitely not psychic or supernatural.
 
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