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(The Smoking Gun)   There's a reason Charles Ramsey was quick to think he was hearing a "domestic violence" situation next door. He's familiar with that issue   (thesmokinggun.com) divider line 313
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2013-05-08 09:01:14 PM  
Yeah not a perfect person.  Who would have guessed?  Perhaps the chick wouldn't let him leave or wouldn't let him just cool off.  Maybe she stood in front of the door telling him McDonald sucked ass.  You were not there so you can't really... know.  and?
 
2013-05-08 09:18:37 PM  
Negates any attempt to help those three young ladies then.  Put 'em back in the custody of the crazy rapist until we can find someone suitable to rescue them!

/I bet he masturbates, too
 
2013-05-08 09:49:33 PM  
Because people never change, right Subby? He couldn't possibly regret the way he used to act.
 
2013-05-08 09:50:17 PM  
Why tear down a man that does the right thing. 80% of Americans would have not wanted to get involved and walked away. He does the right thing and TMZ wants to turn him into a villain  I don't give a damn about his past or his looks, his character seems just fine.
 
2013-05-08 10:08:25 PM  
So... what?
 
2013-05-08 10:28:25 PM  
Oh yeah this is gonna be greened.
 
2013-05-08 10:45:16 PM  
He should run for Congress.
 
2013-05-08 10:47:38 PM  
Thanks Smoking Gun for standing up to the powerful. Now where's his Columbia records?
 
2013-05-08 11:06:58 PM  

Triumph: Thanks Smoking Gun for standing up to the powerful. Now where's his Columbia records?


Stick it to him!!!
 
2013-05-08 11:22:45 PM  

mikeray: 80% of Americans would have not wanted to get involved and walked away.


You really think so? Jesus Christ.  I hope you're nowhere close to right.
 
2013-05-08 11:24:29 PM  

Hoban Washburne: mikeray: 80% of Americans would have not wanted to get involved and walked away.

You really think so? Jesus Christ.  I hope you're nowhere close to right.


He's wrong

/probably closer to 90%
 
2013-05-08 11:31:02 PM  
I don't know if I am right or not but I do believe it's higher than we would think,
 
2013-05-08 11:33:59 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Hoban Washburne: mikeray: 80% of Americans would have not wanted to get involved and walked away.

You really think so? Jesus Christ.  I hope you're nowhere close to right.

He's wrong

/probably closer to 90%


I have a semi-struggle with misanthropy, and I still think humans are way better than that.  I can't imagine if a woman in my neighborhood was screaming for help that I wouldn't at the very least call 911.  That doesn't change the fact that this guy did the right thing.  Nor do his past issues with domestic violence.
 
2013-05-08 11:45:45 PM  
BFD. Mr Ramsey is no less a hero in my eyes.
 
2013-05-08 11:51:58 PM  

Hoban Washburne: I have a semi-struggle with misanthropy, and I still think humans are way better than that.  I can't imagine if a woman in my neighborhood was screaming for help that I wouldn't at the very least call 911.  That doesn't change the fact that this guy did the right thing.  Nor do his past issues with domestic violence.


First, you're right: this guy's past is completely, totally, and absolutely irrelevant. What he did in this situation is all that matters. That is f*cking all.

/as to the misanthropy, I am old, cynical, and bitter, because in my youth I hoped humans could be more than they appear to be
//I have been far too often disappointed
///once saw 30-40 people standing around watching 3 men try to pull another man out of a burning car and not one tried to help
 
2013-05-08 11:55:15 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Hoban Washburne: I have a semi-struggle with misanthropy, and I still think humans are way better than that.  I can't imagine if a woman in my neighborhood was screaming for help that I wouldn't at the very least call 911.  That doesn't change the fact that this guy did the right thing.  Nor do his past issues with domestic violence.

First, you're right: this guy's past is completely, totally, and absolutely irrelevant. What he did in this situation is all that matters. That is f*cking all.

/as to the misanthropy, I am old, cynical, and bitter, because in my youth I hoped humans could be more than they appear to be
//I have been far too often disappointed
///once saw 30-40 people standing around watching 3 men try to pull another man out of a burning car and not one tried to help


I get your perspective, but I'd say that the 3 men trying to pull a man out of a burning car were exceptional in that moment.  To me that doesn't compare to calling 911 when a woman is screaming for help.
 
2013-05-08 11:59:08 PM  
Also, I'd point to things like the marathon runners in Boston who instantly ran to the hospital to give blood as examples of how good people can be.  We can disagree on a lot of things as a society, but when the shiat hits the fan, I like to think that we take care of our own.  I might think half of those runners were coonts if I knew them personally, but they did a great thing to help people.  That gives me hope for goodness in humanity.
 
2013-05-09 12:05:21 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Hoban Washburne: I have a semi-struggle with misanthropy, and I still think humans are way better than that.  I can't imagine if a woman in my neighborhood was screaming for help that I wouldn't at the very least call 911.  That doesn't change the fact that this guy did the right thing.  Nor do his past issues with domestic violence.

First, you're right: this guy's past is completely, totally, and absolutely irrelevant. What he did in this situation is all that matters. That is f*cking all.

/as to the misanthropy, I am old, cynical, and bitter, because in my youth I hoped humans could be more than they appear to be
//I have been far too often disappointed
///once saw 30-40 people standing around watching 3 men try to pull another man out of a burning car and not one tried to help


We, as a culture have conditioned ourselves to eat our hero's

Why?  Because for the most part we like to think of ourselves as better than we are, but at the end of the day, we are all cowards. And when one of us steps up to the bat when it's really really, needed, we will celebrate the act, but then do all we can to break that person back down to our level. because it equalizes us.. we want those faults, because, at the end of the day, we like to think that, if we were put into a similar situation, we also, faults and all, could also act with those Heroics.

Also... Haters gonna hate.

I myself, wake up every morning, turn off my alarm and get a stretch and yawn in and have to start shaking haters off. It's like a job I can't get a break from because haters never take a vacation.
 
2013-05-09 12:08:30 AM  
Joan Walsh at Salon actually has a pretty cogent article about why he's still a hero even if he beat up a few women.

Sometimes she misses the mark, but she's on point here.  At least until she biatches about Chris Brown.
 
2013-05-09 12:09:23 AM  
Looks like he kept his nose clean for ten years, maybe he quit drinking or found Jesus. On the other hand he hasn't paid is $51/mo child support so, no hero tag for him.

Bet he still gets laid.
 
2013-05-09 12:09:24 AM  
I'd like to suggest, with complete seriousness, that if you're the type of person who, within 2 days of a story like this breaking, has as his main inclination the desire to dig up whatever dirt you can find on the one "hero" who's emerged in the hopes of driving page views to your voyeur website, or if you willingly work for such a person, you should take a long, hard look at your life, have a shot of whisky, and shoot yourself in the head. Please. Do that.
 
2013-05-09 12:12:28 AM  

Hoban Washburne: I get your perspective, but I'd say that the 3 men trying to pull a man out of a burning car were exceptional in that moment.  To me that doesn't compare to calling 911 when a woman is screaming for help.


Cerebral Knievel: We, as a culture have conditioned ourselves to eat our hero's

Why?  Because for the most part we like to think of ourselves as better than we are, but at the end of the day, we are all cowards. And when one of us steps up to the bat when it's really really, needed, we will celebrate the act, but then do all we can to break that person back down to our level. because it equalizes us.. we want those faults, because, at the end of the day, we like to think that, if we were put into a similar situation, we also, faults and all, could also act with those Heroics.

Also... Haters gonna hate.

I myself, wake up every morning, turn off my alarm and get a stretch and yawn in and have to start shaking haters off. It's like a job I can't get a break from because haters never take a vacation.


I can assure you that at least one of those men was neither exceptional, nor a hero

/call it pathological empathy
//I'm sure there's a pill for it
 
2013-05-09 12:17:49 AM  

Pocket Ninja: I'd like to suggest, with complete seriousness, that if you're the type of person who, within 2 days of a story like this breaking, has as his main inclination the desire to dig up whatever dirt you can find on the one "hero" who's emerged in the hopes of driving page views to your voyeur website, or if you willingly work for such a person, you should take a long, hard look at your life, have a shot of whisky, and shoot yourself in the head. Please. Do that.


Hear, hear!

/well said
 
2013-05-09 12:22:48 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I can assure you that at least one of those men was neither exceptional, nor a hero


I was saying that they were exceptional in the moment.  Every single one of them might have been dicks, but to run over to a burning car and pull I guy out takes some serious deep rooted love for humanity.  I believe it's largely chemical/evolutionary, but that doesn't change the fact that they ran to a car that could have blown up.  If about 10% of people (per your story) would do that, I believe that a much larger percentage would at least call 911 for a woman screaming for help.  I don't know where the number is, but I'd like to think that it's better than 10-20%. Maybe I'm wrong.
 
2013-05-09 12:28:23 AM  

Hoban Washburne: mikeray: 80% of Americans would have not wanted to get involved and walked away.

You really think so? Jesus Christ.  I hope you're nowhere close to right.


Look at it this way, Ariel is the one who got caught.
 
2013-05-09 12:30:39 AM  
so Charles Ramsey steps up and does something good and the cockroaches line up to vilify him.

It's like 2012 and George Zimmerman all over again.
 
2013-05-09 12:45:32 AM  

calbert: so Charles Ramsey steps up and does something good and the cockroaches line up to vilify him.

It's like 2012 and George Zimmerman all over again.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-05-09 01:03:03 AM  
www.wearysloth.com
 
2013-05-09 01:05:03 AM  

calbert: so Charles Ramsey steps up and does something good and the cockroaches line up to vilify him.

It's like 2012 and George Zimmerman all over again.


Well done. Well crafter. I like it!
 
2013-05-09 01:05:16 AM  
Who wants a hero without some kind of f*cked-up back story? Christ, Tony Stark is a womanizing alcoholic whose company funneled weapons to international terrorists but everyone loves Iron Man!
 
2013-05-09 01:07:17 AM  

calbert: so Charles Ramsey steps up and does something good and the cockroaches line up to vilify him.

It's like 2012 and George Zimmerman all over again.


Heh.
 
2013-05-09 02:11:39 AM  
What I like is that, despite the spotlight and the attention it will undoubtedly bring to his past, he unabashedly takes ownership of what he stands for now.
 
2013-05-09 02:14:30 AM  

CavalierEternal: Who wants a hero without some kind of f*cked-up back story? Christ, Tony Stark is a womanizing alcoholic whose company funneled weapons to international terrorists but everyone loves Iron Man!


Funny you should mention Stark...

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-05-09 03:42:13 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: CavalierEternal: Who wants a hero without some kind of f*cked-up back story? Christ, Tony Stark is a womanizing alcoholic whose company funneled weapons to international terrorists but everyone loves Iron Man!

Funny you should mention Stark...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 167x375]


Yeah, but no one has ever forgiven Hank or let him forget his one slap.
 
2013-05-09 04:25:55 AM  
And with that I'm done with the Smoking Gun. No reason to try to destroy a human being that just rescued a handful of hostages and gave them his reward money.
 
2013-05-09 04:26:25 AM  

calbert: so Charles Ramsey steps up and does something good and the cockroaches line up to vilify him.

It's like 2012 and George Zimmerman all over again.


10/10
 
2013-05-09 04:28:54 AM  
That's it? i figured he would have a way worse past.
 
2013-05-09 04:31:29 AM  
Followup:

Kidnapped girls dressed 'sexy' on the days they were kidnapped. Friends said they also 'gave it out' after a few drinks too.
 
2013-05-09 04:31:37 AM  
"Ha! Time to take this Ramsey guy down a peg..." said the bad guy from Captain Planet


cqafg
 
2013-05-09 04:31:38 AM  
static.rcgroups.net

Besides, maybe this is a bit of redemption?
 
2013-05-09 04:33:33 AM  
Charles Ramsey can't escape from the prison this society has created for him. How ironic is that.

Tell me what has become of my rights
Am I invisible because you ignore me?
Your proclamation promised me free liberty, now
I'm tired of bein' the victim of shame
They're throwing me in a class with a bad name
I can't believe this is the land from which I came

- Michael Jackson
 
2013-05-09 04:34:31 AM  

zedster: calbert: so Charles Ramsey steps up and does something good and the cockroaches line up to vilify him.

It's like 2012 and George Zimmerman all over again.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x567]


I think more like
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-09 04:35:47 AM  
If anyone of us were in the same position, when would the dredging begin and what would they find.

Not excusing the bad actions, just celebrating the good ones.

/Give us dirty laundry.
 
2013-05-09 04:35:53 AM  

Pocket Ninja: I'd like to suggest, with complete seriousness, that if you're the type of person who, within 2 days of a story like this breaking, has as his main inclination the desire to dig up whatever dirt you can find on the one "hero" who's emerged in the hopes of driving page views to your voyeur website, or if you willingly work for such a person, you should take a long, hard look at your life, have a shot of whisky, and shoot yourself in the head. Please. Do that.


Second.
 
2013-05-09 04:36:43 AM  

Enemabag Jones: If anyone of us were in the same position, when would the dredging begin and what would they find.

Not excusing the bad actions, just celebrating the good ones.

/Give us dirty laundry.


yeah there are a few skeletons in every closet.
 
2013-05-09 04:38:51 AM  

calbert: so Charles Ramsey steps up and does something good and the cockroaches line up to vilify him.

It's like 2012 and George Zimmerman all over again.


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-09 04:39:40 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-09 04:43:34 AM  
Andy Warhol: "Everyone Will Be Famous for 15 Minutes"

We now move to the infamous phase.
 
2013-05-09 04:43:41 AM  
He's not bad-looking without the stupid hair.

/because we're discussing things about him that are irrelevant to his helping people in need.
 
2013-05-09 04:44:57 AM  
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