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(WWSB ABC 7)   City figures its old trash cans didn't cost enough, tests out solar-powered Wi-Fi capable trash cans   (mysuncoast.com) divider line 45
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2013-05-08 08:56:10 PM  
This can only end badly.

$4000 for a trash can is a significant investment, and with the way that the people in cities treat the trash cans, it is only a matter of time before it breaks down due to water damage caused by urination.
 
2013-05-08 09:24:06 PM  
*sigh*  We have them in certain city parks near where I live. They've remained tidy over the year I've been on the park walking rote.

Most of the time there  is grant money available for these experimental deals. The thing compresses trash as it fills and phones home when it can't anymore, ostensibly reducing labor and pickup costs over time.

Its too soon to tell if this will have a good ROI,  but I suspect if we had the stats in the article regarding what normal pickup costs are for labor, garbage truck gas etc.

Also article states its a trial, and if its on thing Florida has more of than derp,  its sunshine. This may still work ;)
 
2013-05-08 09:27:33 PM  
Wow. Can you drive those things to work?
 
2013-05-08 09:28:28 PM  
I'm a bit surprised that you can get enough energy out of a solar panel that size to drive a motor strong enough to do much serious compacting, actually.
 
2013-05-08 09:33:02 PM  
I read that they rent for $169/month!  Really!  That kind of money could pay for gas or food or some other needed expense.

/like pizza and beer, instead
 
2013-05-08 09:36:02 PM  

Jument: I'm a bit surprised that you can get enough energy out of a solar panel that size to drive a motor strong enough to do much serious compacting, actually.


depends on how often it compacts
 
2013-05-08 09:40:30 PM  
Call me when they do this: Link
 
2013-05-08 09:40:30 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-08 09:41:01 PM  
If you're gonna blanket the city with wifi, use the streetlights, they already have power, but if you put stuff up high on them, people generally won't get at it.
 
2013-05-08 09:41:59 PM  

thenumber5: depends on how often it compacts


Then again...the longer between compactions, the more crap to compact. Hence, even more power needed.
 
2013-05-08 09:42:55 PM  
Those cans, they are like so easy to hack. I just spoofed the wifi signal and I kept sending 'full' signals to the server. It was hilarious to watch the garbage crew pull up and find an empty can. They were totally clueless. I posted a bunch of videos of it on youtube.
 
2013-05-08 09:47:27 PM  
How did they empty the trash cans before? By hand or with one of those can claws from a truck? Because if it compacts 5x the trash, the trash will weigh 5x what it was before when it's time to empty the cans. Now you definitely need to bring the truck along, adding to the cost.
 
2013-05-08 09:48:13 PM  
THANK YOU. YOU HAVE DEPOSITED ... ONE PAPER WRAPPER.

They had these trash can-compactor bins at the Mall down town that talk when you use them. I don't know if they still have them because it's been a long time since I've eaten in the Food Court.

DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT PUTTING THAT IN ME, BUBBA. I WILL SNAP YOUR ARM OFF.
 
2013-05-08 09:48:26 PM  
We already have some of these in San Francisco. The idea makes sense -- in theory it would mean fewer trips for the garbage man, hence saving money and/or letting garbage service allocate resources more effectively.

Unless, of course, you put these cans in a place where they'll overflow in a couple hours because there's so many people. In that case, as it turns out, it's just a waste of money. You're better off buying a big garbage can or a dumpster.
 
2013-05-08 09:57:31 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Those cans, they are like so easy to hack. I just spoofed the wifi signal and I kept sending 'full' signals to the server. It was hilarious to watch the garbage crew pull up and find an empty can. They were totally clueless. I posted a bunch of videos of it on youtube.


That sounds like a serious dick move, if true.
 
2013-05-08 10:00:51 PM  

Jument: I'm a bit surprised that you can get enough energy out of a solar panel that size to drive a motor strong enough to do much serious compacting, actually.


I'm not. It's just largely sitting there all day, storing up energy in batteries for when it's needed. The motors don't have to operate very long when they do, and those solar panels are a lot bigger then the ones running the LED lights you put on your walkway.
 
2013-05-08 10:17:22 PM  
Likely worth it in high density areas.  I'd imagine in a lot of downtown areas you need to empty them daily or every other day.  Also in areas with lots of heat you'll have issues with flies and the rancid smell, which these remove.  So there are likely direct benefits in terms of only having to empty them twice a week and indirect benefits in terms of a nice overall environment.

Plus a 40 inch deep can with a 26 square inch opening is already $1,300 from LK Goodwin, so we're looking at needing to pull in 2,700 in savings.  If you buy bulk of course there are savings to be had, but the same with the solar powered ones.  So if the can saves you an hour of labor a week and your worker costs you say 25 dollars an hour, the can pays for itself in a little over two years.
 
2013-05-08 10:18:22 PM  
Somebody had some money left in the budget with the end of the fiscal year approaching...
 
2013-05-08 10:21:42 PM  
Technology.  Saving money, by eliminating human jobs.  Passing on the savings to you.
 
2013-05-08 10:21:43 PM  

Jument: I'm a bit surprised that you can get enough energy out of a solar panel that size to drive a motor strong enough to do much serious compacting, actually.


I'm not, actually.

The vast majority of trash dropped in a bin like that by passers-by is very light-weight stuff...paper coffee cups, fast food bags, newspapers, that kind of shiat. 99% of the time you'd compress the hell out of it easily.

Like stated above, I'd more worry about the weight than the bulk. But, then again, if any state would have folks that would figure out how to load an illegally parked vespa into the damned thing, it'd be Floriduh, so...
 
2013-05-08 10:23:43 PM  
This is great until the meth heads steal the batteries. Either to sell them or extract the lithium to make their sweet zombie nectar
 
2013-05-08 10:33:20 PM  

brantgoose: THANK YOU. YOU HAVE DEPOSITED ... ONE PAPER WRAPPER.

They had these trash can-compactor bins at the Mall down town that talk when you use them. I don't know if they still have them because it's been a long time since I've eaten in the Food Court.

DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT PUTTING THAT IN ME, BUBBA. I WILL SNAP YOUR ARM OFF.


The mall here has those talking trash cans, too.  The first time I used one, I just kind of stood there staring at it.  Did the goddamn trash can really just talk to me?

But that was the most conversation I had that day, so it was cool.
 
2013-05-08 10:41:47 PM  
Cambridge, Boston, and various towns here use the solar compactor trash cans.  They work well.  What the fark is the problem, subby?
 
2013-05-08 10:49:14 PM  

trappedspirit: Technology.  Saving money, by eliminating human jobs.  Passing on the savings to you.


Eliminating bullshiat government jobs and there's no way citizens are getting a tax cut regardless of the savings
 
2013-05-08 10:49:44 PM  

trappedspirit: Technology.  Saving money, by eliminating human jobs.  Passing on the savings to you.


THIS.

My town recently switched to the garbage trucks that pick up the cans themselves. Also charging us more for the service. Wonder what happened to the rest of the crew other than the driver?
 
2013-05-08 10:54:16 PM  
4 weeks in the Florida sun. That must stink.
 
2013-05-08 10:56:13 PM  

moothemagiccow: trappedspirit: Technology.  Saving money, by eliminating human jobs.  Passing on the savings to you.

Eliminating bullshiat government jobs and there's no way citizens are getting a tax cut regardless of the savings


Like uncompacted trash pick up?  We've already written this off to the 'bullshiat gov't jobs' category?
 
2013-05-08 10:57:18 PM  
It would have been simpler just to toss the money into the old trash cans.
 
2013-05-08 11:00:21 PM  
Waiting for the greenlit article that announces how many are stolen and parted out for the solar panels and batteries... or, just had the solar panels pried off the tops of them (considering everything else that is driven by solar power has their solar 'panel' stuck on with junk, rubber cement.. or skip even that).
 
2013-05-08 11:09:19 PM  

trappedspirit: moothemagiccow: trappedspirit: Technology.  Saving money, by eliminating human jobs.  Passing on the savings to you.

Eliminating bullshiat government jobs and there's no way citizens are getting a tax cut regardless of the savings

Like uncompacted trash pick up?  We've already written this off to the 'bullshiat gov't jobs' category?


Are you in the sanitation department? I see no reason why "carrying garbage nobody wants to a hole in the ground" needs to be done by a team of humans. Their minds could be put to better use.
 
2013-05-08 11:17:54 PM  

moothemagiccow: trappedspirit: moothemagiccow: trappedspirit: Technology.  Saving money, by eliminating human jobs.  Passing on the savings to you.

Eliminating bullshiat government jobs and there's no way citizens are getting a tax cut regardless of the savings

Like uncompacted trash pick up?  We've already written this off to the 'bullshiat gov't jobs' category?

Are you in the sanitation department? I see no reason why "carrying garbage nobody wants to a hole in the ground" needs to be done by a team of humans. Their minds could be put to better use.


Indeed; give the job to TSA agents instead.
 
2013-05-08 11:19:38 PM  

Heineken Skywalker: This is great until the meth heads steal the batteries. Either to sell them or extract the lithium to make their sweet zombie nectar


They'd probably use lead-acid rather than lithium, since weight is no concern but price is (I hope) and they would probably be kept in a predictable and decent state of charge.
 
2013-05-08 11:31:11 PM  
They have those solar compactors in Chicago.

The company, Big Belly Solar, claims the compactors saved Philadelphia $900K in one year.

That's from a company press release, I have not looked for independent confirmation.
 
2013-05-08 11:40:32 PM  
My town (Gresham, OR) or at least my area of town is only served by Waste Management. I pay the usual WM fee then they charge me around $36/month for their container. I am not allowed to get my own container I must use theirs. When I pointed I could likely buy 4+ of these containers for what I paid a year to "rent" one I was told tough shiat. I'm finding in Oregon you pretty much get bent over and farked by pretty much everything.
 
2013-05-08 11:42:22 PM  
Sandwich (Mass.) has solar-powered compacting public trash cans. I presume the compactor aspect means they need to be emptied less frequently.

As a side note, Sandwich is rather clean (low litter).

I dunno if they are Wi-Fi as well.
 
2013-05-09 12:29:00 AM  
Why do government officials and corporations alike think that the solution to everything is cutting labor costs? I've seen firsthand how much of an impact it makes, and it's about as effective as putting a band-aid on a patch of melanoma.
 
2013-05-09 01:41:07 AM  
In other news, survey results showed that 90 percent of Floridians thought trash cans were the things you put your election ballot in.
 
2013-05-09 02:06:10 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Sandwich (Mass.) has solar-powered compacting public trash cans. I presume the compactor aspect means they need to be emptied less frequently.

As a side note, Sandwich is rather clean (low litter).

I dunno if they are Wi-Fi as well.


where abouts in Sandwich? on the beachs and the board walk area?

/Family has a house near the coast guard station
 
2013-05-09 03:18:18 AM  

Intoxoman: My town (Gresham, OR) or at least my area of town is only served by Waste Management. I pay the usual WM fee then they charge me around $36/month for their container. I am not allowed to get my own container I must use theirs. When I pointed I could likely buy 4+ of these containers for what I paid a year to "rent" one I was told tough shiat. I'm finding in Oregon you pretty much get bent over and farked by pretty much everything.


I was honestly surprised to see that this story wasn't about the Portland area.  We've got derp up here regarding waste management that would make Florida green with envy.
 
2013-05-09 03:45:40 AM  

Seige101: ArcadianRefugee: Sandwich (Mass.) has solar-powered compacting public trash cans. I presume the compactor aspect means they need to be emptied less frequently.

As a side note, Sandwich is rather clean (low litter).

I dunno if they are Wi-Fi as well.

where abouts in Sandwich? on the beachs and the board walk area?

/Family has a house near the coast guard station


The ones I've seen were over by Shawme Pond (Lake?) on Grove (near town hall).
 
2013-05-09 04:00:12 AM  
More good-paying union jobs lost.

Wake me up when we have solar powered disintegrator trash cans.
 
2013-05-09 04:59:54 AM  

cman: This can only end badly.

$4000 for a trash can is a significant investment, and with the way that the people in cities treat the trash cans, it is only a matter of time before it breaks down due to water damage caused by urination.


Then they'll just have to throw them away. BUT HOW?
 
2013-05-09 07:54:53 AM  

cman: This can only end badly.

$4000 for a trash can is a significant investment, and with the way that the people in cities treat the trash cans, it is only a matter of time before it breaks down due to water damage caused by urination.


It's Venice.  The average age there is 75.  Calling it a "city" would be a stretch too.

On another note, this isn't such a bad idea, but wtf, it wasn't cheaper to just hard wire them in?  Solar panels, really?
 
2013-05-09 09:32:19 AM  
We've had these in Philly for a few years now.

I just read a report on them, it's estimated the city has saved $400,000 in labor and diesel (for sanitation workers and dump trucks)
 
2013-05-09 11:27:28 AM  
We've got 'em in my city too, have had for years, and they're still in good shape. From what I understand, the motor inside is actually efficient enough that the cans can make it through 2 weeks of cloudy weather before they run out of power. Even nicer, there's been talk of newer models that include NBC sensors, to be able to lock the can and alert authorities if someone drops in something dangerous.
 
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