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2013-05-08 07:55:55 PM
Oh and by the way, prisoners are heavily screened for selection to Bastoy. Lets not act as if they take in the worst of the bunch and convert them.
 
2013-05-08 07:57:47 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Oh and by the way, prisoners are heavily screened for selection to Bastoy. Lets not act as if they take in the worst of the bunch and convert them.


Sorry, but anyone who thinks that our prison system does anything other than make criminals worse is deluding themselves.
 
2013-05-08 07:58:16 PM

Teufelaffe: Here's the funny thing subby, when you treat prisoners like humans instead of livestock they're less likely to become repeat offenders when they get out, and you get to keep the moral superiority that you're better than they are because you're treating them humanely when you don't have to.  For those that are never getting out, there's nothing to be gained by treating them like shiat.


why spend time warehousing the  ones who will never get out
 
2013-05-08 08:00:11 PM
If I was in jail, I could really power through my Netflix queue.
 
2013-05-08 08:00:51 PM

Teufelaffe: Sorry, but anyone who thinks that our prison system does anything other than make criminals worse is deluding themselves.


40% of people released from prison never re-offend. Sounds like we just need to give longer sentences to the other 60%
 
2013-05-08 08:13:09 PM
Any of you morans commenting on this ever been locked up? No? Then STFU
 
2013-05-08 08:23:08 PM
Dumb: Worrying about what someone locked away in jail watches on TV.
 
2013-05-08 08:32:00 PM

profplump: Dumb: Worrying about what someone locked away in jail watches on TV.


You do realize who pays for the prisons and everything associated with their operations, right?
 
2013-05-08 08:44:52 PM

Mazzic518: Any of you morans commenting on this ever been locked up? No? Then STFU


Never jump to conclusions.
 
2013-05-08 08:45:18 PM

Walter Paisley: If the goal of imprisoning a serial killer is removing that person from society, then this is still doing that. I imagine the outrage about this is probably rooted at least in part by jealousy about the relative quality of life of a prisoner vs. that of free citizens. Instead of getting upset at the prison, take a look at the opportunities you have or don't have if you think a prisoner has a better life than you. If you see nothing but a future of shiat wages, no benefits, a 50+ hour work week just to pay rent for a studio apartment, a mountain of debt in exchange for an education, etc... then there are better places to focus your anger than this prison.


Prison is su pposed to be a deterrent. Making it comfortable decreasea tbe penalty part of risk/reward of crime.
 
2013-05-08 08:45:32 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Teufelaffe: Here's the funny thing subby, when you treat prisoners like humans instead of livestock they're less likely to become repeat offenders when they get out,

Here's the thing, if prison is like a country club, there's no reason for criminals to think twice about getting busted and spending the rest of their lives locked up.


OK, you're now on house arrest for the rest of your life.  Shouldn't be a problem for you.  Don't let me catch you trying to leave or have visitors for more than an hour a week.
 
2013-05-08 08:49:24 PM

Rawhead Rex: Walter Paisley: If the goal of imprisoning a serial killer is removing that person from society, then this is still doing that. I imagine the outrage about this is probably rooted at least in part by jealousy about the relative quality of life of a prisoner vs. that of free citizens. Instead of getting upset at the prison, take a look at the opportunities you have or don't have if you think a prisoner has a better life than you. If you see nothing but a future of shiat wages, no benefits, a 50+ hour work week just to pay rent for a studio apartment, a mountain of debt in exchange for an education, etc... then there are better places to focus your anger than this prison.

I work a great job, earn a lot more than 100K a year...not quite 200, but closing in on it fast...
So go to hell with the idea that my life isn't as good as his and I'm jealous. He has 60 channels, I have DirecTV's biggest package, however many channels that is, but I know it's WAY past 60.

People like you need to be killed...by the same damn people you triumph or stand up for in cases like this.
Please die. Today. Painfully.


You didn't mention you are a Christian. Ashamed?
 
2013-05-08 08:51:50 PM

Peki: The One True TheDavid: guillotining

Pro-tip: I read somewhere the head can survive for up to 30 seconds afterwards, so I dunno about "quick". (Knock 'em out first maybe?)


What would be cool about getting beheaded is that they could quickly shoot your head out of a cannon and you can watch the rooftops of Paris fly by before losing consciousness.  Only thing that sucks, though, is that without a larynx, you can't shout "Wheeee!!"
 
2013-05-08 08:52:31 PM

Popcorn Johnny: You do realize who pays for the prisons and everything associated with their operations, right?


I do. Which is why I think this whole discussion is dumb -- someone spent my money allowing a reporting to hassle prison staff about what prisoners are watching.

The article isn't about whether or not we should pay for cable for prisoners, it's about how a specific prisoner is watching a specific show that is topically related to his crimes.

It's also not clear from the article that the cable is state-funded in the first place -- for all we know the state is making money on re-selling cable to inmates who can afford it, just like many other landlords do.
 
2013-05-08 09:01:17 PM

Psycat: Peki: The One True TheDavid: guillotining

Pro-tip: I read somewhere the head can survive for up to 30 seconds afterwards, so I dunno about "quick". (Knock 'em out first maybe?)

What would be cool about getting beheaded is that they could quickly shoot your head out of a cannon and you can watch the rooftops of Paris fly by before losing consciousness.  Only thing that sucks, though, is that without a larynx, you can't shout "Wheeee!!"


Good: I laughed, and thought "That actually would be a cool way to do it."

Bad: We had a celebration for a 95-yo at church this past Sunday. As she was wheeled up the ramp to the podium, the entire congregation heard her go "Wheeeeeee!"

/farking room got dusty quick
 
2013-05-08 09:02:15 PM
He never gets out? Who the hell cares what he's doing in there?
 
2013-05-08 09:05:19 PM

lewismarktwo: OK, you're now on house arrest for the rest of your life.  Shouldn't be a problem for you.  Don't let me catch you trying to leave or have visitors for more than an hour a week.


So I can go out robbing banks, murdering anybody who gets in my way, and the worst that will happen is that I'll have to be locked down in a nice place for the rest of my life? I'll take those odds.
 
2013-05-08 09:10:33 PM
Cheap solution:

thebeardedpoet.com
 
2013-05-08 09:14:04 PM

Peki: We had a celebration for a 95-yo at church this past Sunday. As she was wheeled up the ramp to the podium, the entire congregation heard her go "Wheeeeeee!"

/farking room got dusty quick


CSB!  Just proves that a person's only as old as they want to be :)
 
2013-05-08 09:17:06 PM

Popcorn Johnny: lewismarktwo: OK, you're now on house arrest for the rest of your life.  Shouldn't be a problem for you.  Don't let me catch you trying to leave or have visitors for more than an hour a week.

So I can go out robbing banks, murdering anybody who gets in my way, and the worst that will happen is that I'll have to be locked down in a nice place for the rest of my life? I'll take those odds.


No you won't.
 
2013-05-08 09:20:48 PM

srhp29: MethylTryp: I really don't have a problem with this. Anyone ever been employed and stuck in their house with nothing to do but watch TV? Imagine being locked in your bedroom/bathroom for 20 hours a day watching the same show on repeat. He brought the equipment, not like it's being furnished for him. I say let him drive himself insane.

Yeah, if only there was something this guy could have done (or not done in his case) to not end up in a cell 20 hours a day.  Prison need not be "comfortable".  It is getting far more than ridiculous what prisoners are allowed.  Basically it sounds like the only thing you can't do in prison is leave.  That's ridiculous.


loosing the freedom to come and go as you please is a prety big thing
not being able to move from one room at your own free will

big deal if they feel conferable in there cells, are we trying to make them feel a greater disconnect from society or trying to rehabilitate them in to better people
 
2013-05-08 09:23:13 PM

Popcorn Johnny: lewismarktwo: OK, you're now on house arrest for the rest of your life.  Shouldn't be a problem for you.  Don't let me catch you trying to leave or have visitors for more than an hour a week.

So I can go out robbing banks, murdering anybody who gets in my way, and the worst that will happen is that I'll have to be locked down in a nice place for the rest of my life? I'll take those odds.


A: no
B: Ask anyone who has even been on house arrest, it is an extremely stressful and anxiety spiking existance, i know people who spent 2 weeks on house arrest who begged there PO to let to serve in the county jail/prison then spend any more time at there parents
 
2013-05-08 09:24:32 PM

thenumber5: Ask anyone who has even been on house arrest, it is an extremely stressful and anxiety spiking existance, i know people who spent 2 weeks on house arrest who begged there PO to let to serve in the county jail/prison then spend any more time at there parents


hahaha no
 
2013-05-08 09:27:16 PM

The One True TheDavid: Myria:  I'm OK with this.  He's distracted, and won't be going anywhere.

Bingo.

And those people who wish that Bad Things happen to prison inmates are more than a little creepy. That's just as bad as the Christians who entertain themselves by picturing the torments of (other people's) souls in hell.


Your Name Here: I don't entirely understand why tfa keeps referring to Twitchell's victims, plural. Dude only actually killed one person.

/loser at life, loser at serial killing.

Yup. And he got caught pretty easily very soon.

One of the first things they teach in Serial Killing 101 is "choose victims who won't be missed in a way that doesn't leave tracks."  Pick up a drug-addict hooker at 3 A.M., for example. This Twitchell guy might as well have called the prison and reserved a cell.

If we're going to keep these people in prison we might as well keep them from hurting each other. A bulk rate on basic cable has got to be cheaper than hundreds of sharpened toothbrush removals, e.g.

Mind you I still see nothing wrong with capital punishment for the violent & stupid, like this guy. But even then they should be done in as quickly and as painlessly as possible. Shooting, guillotining and pharmaceutical euthanasia are all fine by me.

The key is being more humane than they are. If we're no better than they are what are we punishing them for? "For getting caught" ain't good enough.


You're one of my new favorites.

/and one of the only people in this pro-abuse/torture/murder thread not going on the ignore list
 
2013-05-08 09:30:52 PM

Psycat: Peki: We had a celebration for a 95-yo at church this past Sunday. As she was wheeled up the ramp to the podium, the entire congregation heard her go "Wheeeeeee!"

/farking room got dusty quick

CSB!  Just proves that a person's only as old as they want to be :)


*cough* CSS *cough*

/fistbump
 
2013-05-08 09:35:46 PM

MisterMook: He never gets out? Who the hell cares what he's doing in there?


Taxpayers
 
2013-05-08 09:37:40 PM

Popcorn Johnny: MisterMook: He never gets out? Who the hell cares what he's doing in there?

Taxpayers


as a group, humans are very stupid creatures

i would really hate to live in a world where all rights are dictated by the will of "Taxpayers"
 
2013-05-08 09:38:41 PM

haywatchthis: Teufelaffe: Here's the funny thing subby, when you treat prisoners like humans instead of livestock they're less likely to become repeat offenders when they get out, and you get to keep the moral superiority that you're better than they are because you're treating them humanely when you don't have to.  For those that are never getting out, there's nothing to be gained by treating them like shiat.

why spend time warehousing the  ones who will never get out


To try and be better than they are.
 
2013-05-08 09:39:07 PM

The One True TheDavid: The key is being more humane than they are. If we're no better than they are what are we punishing them for? "For getting caught" ain't good enough.


But how can we prove our moral superiority if we don't punish the wicked?
 
2013-05-08 09:42:23 PM

Teufelaffe: But how can we prove our moral superiority if we don't punish the wicked?


Yes, no cable TV is "punishment".
 
2013-05-08 10:11:12 PM

Rawhead Rex: If that dumbass killed someone I cared about and then was allowed to watch cable TV all day...
I'd seriously pray and try to PAY for him to be brutally raped in the very bed/cot he watches Dexter on.
And hopefully, if timed right, he'll be raped while Dexter is on so that every memory of Dexter becomes a memory of his asshole being stretched to unnatural proportions.
farkheads.


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2013-05-08 10:27:49 PM

thenumber5: srhp29: MethylTryp: I really don't have a problem with this. Anyone ever been employed and stuck in their house with nothing to do but watch TV? Imagine being locked in your bedroom/bathroom for 20 hours a day watching the same show on repeat. He brought the equipment, not like it's being furnished for him. I say let him drive himself insane.

Yeah, if only there was something this guy could have done (or not done in his case) to not end up in a cell 20 hours a day.  Prison need not be "comfortable".  It is getting far more than ridiculous what prisoners are allowed.  Basically it sounds like the only thing you can't do in prison is leave.  That's ridiculous.

Losing the freedom to come and go as you please is a pretty big thing.
N
ot being able to move from one room at your own free will  is terrible.

B
ig deal if they feel comfortablein their cells. Are we trying to make them feel a greater disconnect from society, or trying to rehabilitate them into better people?


FTFM, damn that was a field day.

On topic though, my thoughts exactly. The American system is so far off when it comes to rehabilitation...It's mostly about punishment really. But meh, I guess they know what they're doing. Afterall, they're the government.
 
2013-05-08 10:38:17 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Teufelaffe: But how can we prove our moral superiority if we don't punish the wicked?

Yes, no cable TV is "punishment".


Actually, on MSNBC's Lockup (I think), some prison warden mentioned that giving pet cats to prisoners works very well to maintain order in the prison because it gives the staff more leverage over the prisoners. Pretty much a "you fark up, you lose your cat for a week" thing.

Then there was the whole "let's give them all iPods!!!" thing a few months ago in the federal system. "You fark up, you lose your iPod". etc. etc.

So I don't see why TV can't be used in this way, too. If it cuts down on violence in the prisons, and if it keeps the prisoners sane enough to reduce their chance of recidivism later on down the line, then why not? And no, "CUZ JUSTICE!!!1 PUNISHMENT!" isn't a very good answer.
 
2013-05-08 10:41:01 PM
I thought Canadians just put their criminals on large blocks of ice and pushed them out to sea.
 
2013-05-08 10:45:53 PM

Begoggle: I thought Canadians just put their criminals on large blocks of ice and pushed them out to sea.


We clean them first. Let the gulls have the rest
 
2013-05-08 10:48:27 PM

banandar123: And no, "CUZ JUSTICE!!!1 PUNISHMENT!" isn't a very good answer.


Denying prisoners of pay television is not punishment, bottom line.
 
2013-05-08 10:49:03 PM

Vexed Thespian: The first hdtv I got was used and like 80 pounds for a 24inch screen, but the screen distorted on the sides, so like a news crawl would be wide on the side, get skinny in the middle and then wide on the side again.  any time the camera panned right or left it made me want to throw it in the trash.  on the plus side, I was able to get passed a certain level on starwars battle field 2 that I kept dying on because my former tv was garbade.


You know... on my HDTV that's just one of several options for a 4:3 picture. You can display it centered on the screen, stretch it sideways, zoom in (losing some of the information on the top and bottom), or something I think called panoramic, which is actually what you describe. They leave the center of the picture undistorted, but stretch a lot on the edges. I don't like it, but it's just one option. I'd bet your old TV had an option to turn that off and just letterbox the 4:3 picture.
 
2013-05-08 11:38:05 PM

Peki: Psycat: Peki: We had a celebration for a 95-yo at church this past Sunday. As she was wheeled up the ramp to the podium, the entire congregation heard her go "Wheeeeeee!"

/farking room got dusty quick

CSB!  Just proves that a person's only as old as they want to be :)

*cough* CSS *cough*

/fistbump


Oops, my bad.  You do mean "Cool Story, Sis" and not "Cascading Style Sheets", I hope ;)
 
2013-05-08 11:42:13 PM
2 castro brothers will not be charged 1 will be eligable for parole in 5 years
do you think he will be reabilatated
 
2013-05-09 12:02:11 AM

ZeroCorpse: I'm not okay with this. He's supposed to be suffering punishment for hacking people up. This is more like a reward: You live rent free, don't have to pay for meals, and get cable? Sounds like welfare, not prison.


 The Canadian justice system does not focus on punishment or vengeance but rather removal of offenders from society plus possible rehabilitation to re-enter society as a contributing citizen.  Not that this guy will be rehabilitated necessarily but that's the general idea for most offenders. What we have here is a vastly different conception of prison between Canada and the US.  Is it a fool proof system? maybe not, but it is what it is.
 
2013-05-09 12:25:50 AM

haywatchthis: 2 castro brothers will not be charged 1 will be

eligable eligiblefor parole in 5 years
do you think he will be reabilatated


Citation? Nancy Grace doesn't count. (FTFM TOO CUZIMGRAMMARNAZI)
 
2013-05-09 12:57:07 AM
Why aren't we beating this man every day with bats what have nails in them?
 
2013-05-09 01:13:54 AM
This guy does not deserve to live... much less cable TV.
 
2013-05-09 01:18:56 AM

Psycat: Oops, my bad.  You do mean "Cool Story, Sis" and not "Cascading Style Sheets", I hope ;)


Yes. No worries.

/had to look up cascading style sheets.
 
2013-05-09 05:02:55 PM
It seems my comments opened a much bigger can of worms than I had intended. A lot of people here seem to be both out for blood and/or of the opinion that being locked in a room with nothing to do but watch television sounds luxurious. This thread is almost kaput, but I'd be interested if any of you folks with such an opinion would be willing to explain your reasoning for these views; especially those of you who differentiate your bloodlust from that of the imprisoned killer.

Predictably, those dropping by to merely leave a turd didn't address anything I had actually said. Were your comments directed at a straw man for the sake of trolling or do you really only see your biases when you disagree with someone?

To specify my previous statements, I am in no way approving of what this prisoner did to get in there and I don't think his choice of television programs is relevant. My statement regarded how it wasn't a big deal that a prison was letting a prisoner watch television to keep him occupied. He is still removed from society and isn't harming anyone, either outside or inside of the prison. As for the alleged luxury of being able to sit around watching television, similar arguments have been made for prisoners having access to gym equipment, access to a library, medical check-ups, or even an education and skill training. As other posters here have pointed out, giving prisoners recreation time is due to the view that prisoners should be treated as human beings - not only for the sake of kindness or rehabilitation, but also due to the realization of human behavior and the desire to reduce violence and chaos in the prison. Think about how tense things are just having to sit around for hours in a waiting room - do you think making prisoners sit around with nothing to do for hours is a good plan for maintaining order in a prison? Even relatively peaceful people will eventually snap under such conditions. What about long hours of hard labor? Not only is that cruel, but that's a great way to create even more tension between the inmates and the correctional officers. Also, as has been pointed out by other posters here, rewarding good behavior tends to give inmates more incentive to behave than simply punishing bad behavior.

Going back to the case in TFA, maybe you simply think that his access to so many channels is excessive. That might be a fair point, but it also might not be costing nearly as much as you think. Besides, the variety of channels might help encourage this guy to be a couch potato instead of trying to kill anyone. Think of the situation from the point of view of the correctional officers who have to deal with him - they're stuck dealing with a guy who probably thinks he has very little to lose and happens to enjoy murdering people. If he's busy sitting on his ass watching television, he'll be less of a problem to handle. Also, his access to these channels may be one of the few things the correctional officers can give or take away in order to give this guy incentive to behave.

Again referencing my previous comments, some of you probably took offense to my use of the word jealousy. However, many "this guy has it better than me!" comments followed and served as evidence to the point I was trying to make. Pointing out that prisoners have access to some benefits that you don't is a valid complaint. However, it is not indicative of how great the prisoners have it, but of how low the general standard of living is for free citizens. You may just think I'm a lefty nutter, which I don't make any attempt to hide, but you're just shooting the messenger here. This isn't an observation from any ideology or party line. A lack of real wage growth coupled with an increased cost of living, the erosion of both social programs and workers' rights, the high cost of higher education, the high cost of medical treatment, and the outsourcing of labor to third world countries will create this kind of situation.
 
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