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2013-05-08 05:07:28 PM
This season has been pretty crap so far, maybe with the exception of the last episode.
 
2013-05-08 05:16:54 PM
I was hoping they'd stop going back to the Cybermen (and Daleks, and Weeping Angels) and explore other possible antagonists.  The Cybermen plots are tired and boring.
 
2013-05-08 05:20:51 PM
Silver trifecta in play....
 
2013-05-08 05:25:05 PM

weapon13: This season has been pretty crap so far, maybe with the exception of the last episode.

 
Earlier I was thinking "It hasn't been that great this season, except the episode before last."
 
2013-05-08 05:32:47 PM
These are not Cybus Cybermen, just like when the Pandorica opened.
 
2013-05-08 05:35:21 PM

cretinbob: These are not Cybus Cybermen, just like when the Pandorica opened.


I recognized one of the Cybermen groups displayed in the trailer as Cybus Cybermen, though they may have been inactive Cybermen.
 
2013-05-08 06:14:25 PM

Fun Dumpster: I was hoping they'd stop going back to the Cybermen (and Daleks, and Weeping Angels) and explore other possible antagonists.  The Cybermen plots are tired and boring.


As is Neil Gaiman

being a long time Dr who fan,  I found the episode interesting at best.  It was more interesting to watch the Gaiman fans espouse his genius over it, it reminded me alot of 40yr old women who are into Twilight and think the author can do no wrong.
 
2013-05-08 06:22:28 PM

SwingDancer: Fun Dumpster: I was hoping they'd stop going back to the Cybermen (and Daleks, and Weeping Angels) and explore other possible antagonists.  The Cybermen plots are tired and boring.

As is Neil Gaiman

being a long time Dr who fan,  I found the episode interesting at best.  It was more interesting to watch the Gaiman fans espouse his genius over it, it reminded me alot of 40yr old women who are into Twilight and think the author can do no wrong.


Gaiman fans, and the type of generally flock to Sandman are what has kept me from reading that comic.
 
2013-05-08 06:26:52 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Gaiman fans, and the type of generally flock to Sandman are what has kept me from reading that comic.


then you'll hate why i'm here.

last year at comiccon, he announced we was doing another five issue run of sandman, due this year, yet I have heard nothing of it.
 
2013-05-08 06:26:58 PM
Rings was really the only "meh" episode so far.

Hide was by far the best one yet and Crimson Horror is a close second.
Hide had the interpersonal character development that really made Eccleston and Tennant era episodes so memorable. Crimson Horror felt a lot like "Blink 2.0" since a majority of it was told from a perspective other than the Doctor's.
 
2013-05-08 06:27:32 PM
I think the season is finally hitting it's stride. Sadly it's almost over. But I've been a converted die-hard fan who could love even some of the worst of the episodes (except Fear Her, that's the worst). I really didn't want to admit it, but this half of the season has really sucked. I mean they had an episode with David Warner and he was totally wasted! But I think it started getting better with "Hide." That was one creepy episode.
 
2013-05-08 06:36:54 PM

Vexed Thespian: FirstNationalBastard: Gaiman fans, and the type of generally flock to Sandman are what has kept me from reading that comic.

then you'll hate why i'm here.

last year at comiccon, he announced we was doing another five issue run of sandman, due this year, yet I have heard nothing of it.


I think that's a mistake.

Not because of any anti-Gaiman sentiment or anything (in fact, I hope Miracleman is finally reprinted and Gaiman can finish his story), but because any time a creator revisits a book or character he's finished with, the results are inevitably disappointing, if not outright bad.

It's happened so many times... Mark Waid's second Flash run, PAD's second Hulk run, Waid's second Captain America run, Ron Marz's six issue coda to the last (decent) Green Lantern series, Anything Morrison has done with Animal Man after 1990...

There's a reason these guys generally leave a book. They've said all they have to say about the character. Coming back to it is always a disappointment.
 
2013-05-08 06:37:16 PM
Gaiman has been ruined by his horrid coont of a wife, who has crawled into his head and eaten everything inside.
 
2013-05-08 08:13:34 PM
It's kind  of a real tossup whether Doctor Who, or The Walking Dead is the show most hated by its own fans.
 
2013-05-08 08:29:56 PM
The Angels are painful to watch as monsters, there's nothing wrong with the Daleks, The Doctor's Wife was a fun episode, and nothing, I mean NOTHING, not even Fear Her, was as bad as Love and Monsters.
 
2013-05-08 09:25:00 PM

Falcon Hunter: Rings was really the only "meh" episode so far.

Hide was by far the best one yet and Crimson Horror is a close second.
Hide had the interpersonal character development that really made Eccleston and Tennant era episodes so memorable. Crimson Horror felt a lot like "Blink 2.0" since a majority of it was told from a perspective other than the Doctor's.


Agreed 100% Rings kicked things off to a pretty lame start but I think the episodes have only gotten better and better since.

And Orphan Black has gotten really good, too. Just watched last Saturday's ep and was dying laughing at points. It was like a train wreck, but instead of one train it was like watching three all collide at the same time (in a good way).
 
2013-05-08 09:30:25 PM

Richard_The_Clown: I mean they had an episode with David Warner and he was totally wasted!


I respectfully beg to differ. Thought he was great.


UNC_Samurai: The Angels are painful to watch as monsters, there's nothing wrong with the Daleks, The Doctor's Wife was a fun episode, and nothing, I mean NOTHING, not even Fear Her, was as bad as Love and Monsters.


You mean you wouldn't want to get blown by a paving stone?
 
2013-05-08 09:48:33 PM

fusillade762: Falcon Hunter: Rings was really the only "meh" episode so far.

Hide was by far the best one yet and Crimson Horror is a close second.
Hide had the interpersonal character development that really made Eccleston and Tennant era episodes so memorable. Crimson Horror felt a lot like "Blink 2.0" since a majority of it was told from a perspective other than the Doctor's.

Agreed 100% Rings kicked things off to a pretty lame start but I think the episodes have only gotten better and better since.

And Orphan Black has gotten really good, too. Just watched last Saturday's ep and was dying laughing at points. It was like a train wreck, but instead of one train it was like watching three all collide at the same time (in a good way).


My favorite part was the craft nook of torture. The little bit where Allison sinisterly spins the carousel of primary-colored scrapbooking scissors was hilarious.
 
2013-05-08 10:02:43 PM

Mad_Radhu: fusillade762: Falcon Hunter: Rings was really the only "meh" episode so far.

Hide was by far the best one yet and Crimson Horror is a close second.
Hide had the interpersonal character development that really made Eccleston and Tennant era episodes so memorable. Crimson Horror felt a lot like "Blink 2.0" since a majority of it was told from a perspective other than the Doctor's.

Agreed 100% Rings kicked things off to a pretty lame start but I think the episodes have only gotten better and better since.

And Orphan Black has gotten really good, too. Just watched last Saturday's ep and was dying laughing at points. It was like a train wreck, but instead of one train it was like watching three all collide at the same time (in a good way).

My favorite part was the craft nook of torture. The little bit where Allison sinisterly spins the carousel of primary-colored scrapbooking scissors was hilarious.


"What are you gonna stick sequins on me?"
 
2013-05-08 10:27:05 PM

weapon13: This season has been pretty crap so far, maybe with the exception of the last episode.


No love for "Asylum of the Daleks"?
 
2013-05-08 10:32:14 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Crimson Horror is on my Top Ten NuWho episodes, and Hide is definitely top 15. And are we including the five fall episodes as this season? Because, well...they kinda are. In which case, I didn't like A Town Called Mercy at first, but rewatching it, I really liked it.

Yeah, there's been some weak episodes this season (I didn't think Angels Take Manhatten was a particularly good episode, but I realize I'm a minority.), but name me a season that hasn't been true.

Yes, I know I meandered there, but I'm tired and low on caffiene.
 
2013-05-08 10:32:50 PM

bingo the psych-o: weapon13: This season has been pretty crap so far, maybe with the exception of the last episode.

No love for "Asylum of the Daleks"?


God DAMN was that a killer start to the season. The Snowmen was amazeballs, too.
 
2013-05-08 10:36:23 PM
I don't get the hate for "Rings".  It was a sorely-needed character-driven episode, the likes of which have been missing from the series for quite a while.  It was also a much stronger introduction to Clara as a person than "The Beast Below" was for Amy, as it featured Clara acting on her own and exploring her reasoning, motivation, attachments, and personality.  Yes, the mummy monster was crap and, there were plot holes galore, and it resolved too quickly, but since the purpose of the episode was just to introduce the companion on her first trip and show what kind of person she is (yes, show, thank goodness, this series has been way too exposition-heavy as of late), I think it fulfilled its purpose admirably.  It was a refreshing return to the "Hey, we're in a new place, let's poke around and explore and learn stuff" theme that's been notably missing in other episodes that are much too eager to get to the monster.
 
2013-05-08 10:42:12 PM

Fast Moon: I don't get the hate for "Rings".


For me, it was all of the diverting for singing, in all honesty. I get the point of it, but there was something about it that made me go "GET ON WITH IT!"

Overall, though, I did enjoy it, for many of the reasons you state. Additionally, we also got the first indication that the TARDIS doesn't like Clara in this one.

Oh...Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS? Meh. Weakest episode of the season for me. (Note: FOR ME.)
 
2013-05-09 12:05:14 AM

Fast Moon: I don't get the hate for "Rings".


"Love saves the day." Also, apparently he destroyed the thing that functioned as the local sun for 7 civilizations.

Cold War: Love saves the day
Hide: great, until they decided to make the monsters a couple
JttCofT: a literal freakin' reset button
 
2013-05-09 12:26:35 AM

PizzaJedi81: Oh...Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS? Meh. Weakest episode of the season for me. (Note: FOR ME.)


I agree. So much potential, so poorly written.

Also, when the f*ck did the Doctor bring the Eye of Harmony into the TARDIS? I wouldn't even think that was possible.
 
2013-05-09 12:38:57 AM

TopoGigo: Also, when the f*ck did the Doctor bring the Eye of Harmony into the TARDIS?


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About 1996 or so.
 
2013-05-09 01:02:55 AM

PizzaJedi81: TopoGigo: Also, when the f*ck did the Doctor bring the Eye of Harmony into the TARDIS?

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About 1996 or so.


Is that the movie? Damnit, I guess I'm going to have to watch that. I've been trying to pretend it didn't exist.
 
2013-05-09 01:05:51 AM

TopoGigo: PizzaJedi81: TopoGigo: Also, when the f*ck did the Doctor bring the Eye of Harmony into the TARDIS?

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About 1996 or so.

Is that the movie? Damnit, I guess I'm going to have to watch that. I've been trying to pretend it didn't exist.


Taken for what it is, an attempt at a pilot for an American version, it's not too bad. Paul McGann is a pretty good Doctor, you should download some of the radio plays. The thing I didn't like was Eric Roberts as the Master.
 
2013-05-09 01:14:19 AM

PizzaJedi81: TopoGigo: PizzaJedi81: TopoGigo: Also, when the f*ck did the Doctor bring the Eye of Harmony into the TARDIS?

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About 1996 or so.

Is that the movie? Damnit, I guess I'm going to have to watch that. I've been trying to pretend it didn't exist.

Taken for what it is, an attempt at a pilot for an American version, it's not too bad. Paul McGann is a pretty good Doctor, you should download some of the radio plays. The thing I didn't like was Eric Roberts as the Master.


Well, it has to be better than Doctor Tarkin vs the Daleks.
 
2013-05-09 01:15:47 AM
I'll say it again: if you like seeing Vastra, Jenny, and Strax in one-off adventures, imagine if every season of DW was a few episodes longer with completely Doctor-less episodes showcasing breakout characters, past companions, and even villains of the show out of the Doctor's shadow? Episodes like Blink, Turn Left, and the first quarter or so of The Crimson Horror would serve as proofs of concept that the show can work without The Doctor once in a while.

It also could be a separate anthology show. Imagine if one week you have a mystery with the Victorian Trio, the next an adventure with a returning Captain Jack, the next week a ghost story with that ghost hunter and his psychic assistant, and the next a story in which The Doctor is not there to stop the Daleks, and so on. I realize it's a pipe dream due to budget issues, but a guy can dream nonetheless.
 
2013-05-09 01:16:31 AM

TopoGigo: PizzaJedi81: TopoGigo: Also, when the f*ck did the Doctor bring the Eye of Harmony into the TARDIS?

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About 1996 or so.

Is that the movie? Damnit, I guess I'm going to have to watch that. I've been trying to pretend it didn't exist.


I'm going to definitely check it out again when the August version of The Doctors Revisited rolls around. I honestly haven't watched it since it first aired back in 1996.
 
2013-05-09 01:18:47 AM

TopoGigo: Well, it has to be better than Doctor Tarkin vs the Daleks.


Well, obviously.

I've been watching the Classic Who episodes for the first time, and, well...jeez, but the Hartnell episodes are a slow, aren't they?

Anybody else excited for "An Adventure in Time and Space," the behind the scenes movie about the production of Doctor Who? Starring Argus Filch/Walder Frey/the Dinosaurs on a Spaceship villain as William Hartnell.
 
2013-05-09 01:33:47 AM

PizzaJedi81: TopoGigo: Well, it has to be better than Doctor Tarkin vs the Daleks.

Well, obviously.

I've been watching the Classic Who episodes for the first time, and, well...jeez, but the Hartnell episodes are a slow, aren't they?

Anybody else excited for "An Adventure in Time and Space," the behind the scenes movie about the production of Doctor Who? Starring Argus Filch/Walder Frey/the Dinosaurs on a Spaceship villain as William Hartnell.


Nah, most of the early ones progress fine, they just aren't chock full of sound effects and "incidental music" like the later ones. Do yourself a favor, try to watch them on an old analog TV no bigger than 21". It's a world of difference. Also, I don't know how you're getting your old Who, but I've tried many ways, and none of them are the same. I don't know if you can still get the edited versions they sent to PBS stations or not, but I grew up watching the entire serial at once.

Fair warning: Doctor Who is very much like Star Wars in one respect. If you didn't watch it as a kid, you're going to be disappointed with it now. Much of the writing was, well, atrocious.
 
2013-05-09 01:40:08 AM

Lord Binky: completely Doctor-less episodes showcasing breakout characters, past companions, and even villains


So, Torchwood.
 
2013-05-09 02:46:42 AM

ArcadianRefugee: Fast Moon: I don't get the hate for "Rings".

"Love saves the day." Also, apparently he destroyed the thing that functioned as the local sun for 7 civilizations.


My problem as well. Even if it wasn't their sun it was certainly the gravitational anchor for everything in the rings.

That and the little girl's ability to immobilize Clara (for no reason I could tell) that she immediately forgets about when it might have actually been useful.
 
2013-05-09 03:04:03 AM

fusillade762: ArcadianRefugee: Fast Moon: I don't get the hate for "Rings".

"Love saves the day." Also, apparently he destroyed the thing that functioned as the local sun for 7 civilizations.

My problem as well. Even if it wasn't their sun it was certainly the gravitational anchor for everything in the rings.

That and the little girl's ability to immobilize Clara (for no reason I could tell) that she immediately forgets about when it might have actually been useful.


 Ahh I didn't even think about that. But did the smiley sun thing actually blink out of existence or merely go dark upon eating all of the stuff? BTW that made no sense at all.
 
2013-05-09 03:10:40 AM

ArcadianRefugee: Fast Moon: I don't get the hate for "Rings".

"Love saves the day." Also, apparently he destroyed the thing that functioned as the local sun for 7 civilizations.

Cold War: Love saves the day
Hide: great, until they decided to make the monsters a couple
JttCofT: a literal freakin' reset button





It wasn't a sun. They state at the beginning of a show that it's a planet.
 
2013-05-09 03:33:32 AM

Darth_Lukecash: It wasn't a sun. They state at the beginning of a show that it's a planet.


Actually, he called it an "alien sun":

Doctor: [stepping out of the TARDIS with Clara] Now, can you feel the light on your eyelids?
Clara: Mmhmm.
Doctor: That is the light from an alien sun.

then

Doctor: It's a holy site for the Sound Singers of Ket [or something to this effect]
Clara: The who of what?
Doctor: Seven worlds, orbiting the same star, all of them sharing the belief that life in the universe originated here, on that planet [point to the asteroidal thing with the temple on it].
 
2013-05-09 03:49:34 AM

Old enough to know better: It's kind  of a real tossup whether Doctor Who, or The Walking Dead is the show most hated by its own fans.


In the case of Doctor Who. it isn't hate, it's disappointment because the show could be so much better than it is.
 
2013-05-09 06:23:26 AM

SwingDancer: Fun Dumpster: I was hoping they'd stop going back to the Cybermen (and Daleks, and Weeping Angels) and explore other possible antagonists.  The Cybermen plots are tired and boring.

As is Neil Gaiman

being a long time Dr who fan,  I found the episode interesting at best.  It was more interesting to watch the Gaiman fans espouse his genius over it, it reminded me alot of 40yr old women who are into Twilight and think the author can do no wrong.


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2013-05-09 06:33:34 AM

ArcadianRefugee: Darth_Lukecash: It wasn't a sun. They state at the beginning of a show that it's a planet.

Actually, he called it an "alien sun":

Doctor: [stepping out of the TARDIS with Clara] Now, can you feel the light on your eyelids?
Clara: Mmhmm.
Doctor: That is the light from an alien sun.

then

Doctor: It's a holy site for the Sound Singers of Ket [or something to this effect]
Clara: The who of what?
Doctor: Seven worlds, orbiting the same star, all of them sharing the belief that life in the universe originated here, on that planet [point to the asteroidal thing with the temple on it].


Good eye! Nice documentation. Clever boy.
 
2013-05-09 07:24:47 AM

Fast Moon: It was a sorely-needed character-driven episode, the likes of which have been missing from the series for quite a while


Only if by "character-driven" you mean, "overly long scenes of singing and space motorcycle riding and dealing with a dull monster". The episode did have a few good character  moments for Clara, but it was hardly driven by them. They were the only good parts of the episode, and it's a shame they didn't have a story that they were part of.
 
2013-05-09 07:58:24 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: weapon13: This season has been pretty crap so far, maybe with the exception of the last episode.

Earlier I was thinking "It hasn't been that great this season, except the episode before last."


I thought that that episode could have been done so much better, with so much potential.

I hated the reset button. WTF?

bingo the psych-o: weapon13: This season has been pretty crap so far, maybe with the exception of the last episode.

No love for "Asylum of the Daleks"?


I should clarify that I was talking about this series (or should I say the second half of the series?) with the new companion.

Jenna Louise Coleman is fit 'n all but I just don't feel the chemistry between her and the Doctor.
 
2013-05-09 04:52:28 PM

weapon13: Zarquon's Flat Tire: weapon13: This season has been pretty crap so far, maybe with the exception of the last episode.

Earlier I was thinking "It hasn't been that great this season, except the episode before last."

I thought that that episode could have been done so much better, with so much potential.

I hated the reset button. WTF?

bingo the psych-o: weapon13: This season has been pretty crap so far, maybe with the exception of the last episode.

No love for "Asylum of the Daleks"?

I should clarify that I was talking about this series (or should I say the second half of the series?) with the new companion.

Jenna Louise Coleman is fit 'n all but I just don't feel the chemistry between her and the Doctor.


I like her, but so far her character still seems like a mystery for the sake of having a mystery.  Hopefully they will follow up on it all in a big way.
 
2013-05-09 05:12:17 PM

t3knomanser: and dealing with a dull monster


You mean the giant space jack-o-lantern?

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