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(Seattle Weekly)   Confessions of a pho hater in Seattle. "Disowning pho is like telling a vegan how much you love KFC"   (seattleweekly.com ) divider line
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2013-05-08 01:12:55 PM  
Pho sucks, sriracha sucks, artisanal anything sucks, anything from a food truck sucks.

BIG MAC RULES!

*runs from stampede of foodie hipsters*
 
2013-05-08 01:13:03 PM  
That's great, um, maybe you should order something else.  Like something you enjoy.   *ten minutes of awkward silence*

What do you want a gold star sticker?
 
2013-05-08 01:15:10 PM  

brap: That's great, um, maybe you should order something else.  Like something you enjoy.   *ten minutes of awkward silence*

What do you want a gold star sticker?


I think he wants people to shut the pho up
 
2013-05-08 01:19:16 PM  
"I don't like it because it's just bland noodles and sort-of salty broth. Seriously, that's it. I really think you guys think it's much more than that. Yes, I realize it usually has meat and some weird veggies in it, but bean sprouts and Thai basil also aren't that good..."

I figured before reading that it would come down to the writer not liking basil, or cilantro, or ginger, or fish sauce.  If you don't like the herbs and spices they use in the broth, assuming it was a place that had good broth, then you won't like the food.

brap: That's great, um, maybe you should order something else.


Yeah, considering that most pho places also have banh mi, and if you don't like banh mi I don't know what you're looking for in life.
 
2013-05-08 01:21:29 PM  
I can see being ambivalent about pho, but getting yourself so worked up that you have to write an opinion column about how much you hate pho? That kind of just makes you a contrarian twat.

Shut up and make yourself a sammich.
 
2013-05-08 01:21:53 PM  
KFC makes terrible fried chicken
 
2013-05-08 01:26:31 PM  
Pho real, subby?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-05-08 01:27:50 PM  
Almost every single time, people need to tell me how wrong I am and how I must try it at their place and add just the right amount of Sriracha and not doing this is why I didn't like it.

Sounds like tofu cultists I have met. No, tofu doesn't take on the essence of whatever oils you annoint it with. At its best it is tasteless and slimy and at its worst both the taste and texture are horrid. No, I am not going to try it just one more time because this chef mixes it with dried broccoli excrement and the taste is to die for. Or more likely to die from.
 
2013-05-08 01:30:27 PM  

Calmamity: I can see being ambivalent about pho, but getting yourself so worked up that you have to write an opinion column about how much you hate pho? That kind of just makes you a contrarian twat.

Shut up and make yourself a sammich.


To be fair to the author, people can go overboard when it comes to food trends.  He's no doubt, being from Seattle where Pho is super-hot for the last several years, constantly pinged on about how strange it is that he doesn't like it.  Plus, since the Seattle Times no doubt has a large chunk of readership that falls into the food hipster category, this type of article is bound to generate a lot of clicks and comments.
 
2013-05-08 01:33:20 PM  
I get where the author is coming from.  I have heard of pho, but I have never actually eaten it.  From the people who talk about it, I expect to emulate Meg Ryan in her famous diner scene if I ever get around to eating it.
 
2013-05-08 01:35:04 PM  
STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE!


ARGH!
 
2013-05-08 01:36:17 PM  

factoryconnection: I figured before reading that it would come down to the writer not liking basil, or cilantro, or ginger, or fish sauce. If you don't like the herbs and spices they use in the broth, assuming it was a place that had good broth, then you won't like the food.


The only drawback of pho for me is the exorbitant amount of cilantro I have to deal with. Basil, ginger, fish sauce, broth, meat, noodles are all great. And then I get to the farking forest of cilantro. Gorrammit!
 
2013-05-08 01:38:46 PM  

factoryconnection: Yeah, considering that most pho places also have banh mi, and if you don't like banh mi I don't know what you're looking for in life.


I'd disagree and really curse at you and attack you personally, but I don't want the mods to banh mi.
 
2013-05-08 01:39:01 PM  
This reminds me of the 5 or 6 times I tried coke in college. Friends kept insisting that I must not have liked it because I tried someone's shiatty coke and this time I was really going to like it.

Great, now the back of my throat is numb and it is making me want to barf and I'm talking to an asshole about nothing. Yay?

On the other hand, if any of you kids out there want to score free drugs, pretend not to like them. Your friends will go broke trying to impress you.
 
2013-05-08 01:43:35 PM  
I actually have had a different experience.  Yeah, pho is really popular and ubiquitous in Seattle, so you're going to have it eventually whether you want to try it or not.  My first couple times I didn't exactly dislike it, but I didn't see what all of the fuss is about.  Once you get the hang of how much of the sauces and whatnot you add though... It's actually really good.  Maybe it's an acquired taste thing. 

Maybe I'm just desperately trying to fit in with a foodie culture I don't fully understand by forcing myself to like what everyone else seems to like, without realizing that nobody actually likes pho and everybody in this city is just trying to impress each other with their foodie-ness.

/Nah, pho is actually really good.  Might get it for lunch actually.
 
2013-05-08 01:50:14 PM  
So get something you do like. It's food, it's not rocket science.

I grew up in the South, and I despise okra. It's like eating a slimy eyebrow, but if folks like it, more power to them. If you are so worried about what people think about your food likes and dislikes, maybe you shouldn't eat in public. Or maybe get over your damn selves.
 
2013-05-08 01:50:27 PM  
Dollar-for-dollar I can't think of a better lunch than Pho. The closest place to my office hands over a bowl so laden with meat, noodles and fresh veggies I need two hands to carry and I get change back from a $5.
 
2013-05-08 01:54:29 PM  

hubiestubert: So get something you do like. It's food, it's not rocket science.

I grew up in the South, and I despise okra. It's like eating a slimy eyebrow, but if folks like it, more power to them. If you are so worried about what people think about your food likes and dislikes, maybe you shouldn't eat in public. Or maybe get over your damn selves.


OMG I laughed SO HARD. You're right. I'm from AL and have always hated boiled okra too.
 
2013-05-08 01:55:29 PM  

exick: The only drawback of pho for me is the exorbitant amount of cilantro I have to deal with. Basil, ginger, fish sauce, broth, meat, noodles are all great. And then I get to the farking forest of cilantro. Gorrammit!


I can see how that would be irritating, especially for people that perceive cilantro as tasting like soap.  My favorite places for it give a bowl of broth and a plate with piles of noodles, meat, and the veggies.  Completely-customized soup.  Pho is the most humble of breakfast foods, and the humble shops let the customer do the work for ideal taste.

AdolfOliverPanties: banh mi


You pun goof'd now, boy!
 
2013-05-08 01:56:37 PM  
I've never tried it, but I think it looks pretty good.
 
2013-05-08 02:03:06 PM  
I feel the same way about sushi. I'm considered a philistine because I farking HATE fish!
 
2013-05-08 02:06:04 PM  

Calmamity: I can see being ambivalent about pho, but getting yourself so worked up that you have to write an opinion column about how much you hate pho? That kind of just makes you a contrarian twat.

Shut up and make yourself a sammich.


No, he's all worked up that people won't stfu and trust him when he says, "I don't like it." Same thing when I tell people I don't like ramen. Everyone is all "WTF? How could you NOT like ramen?"

If I want something like ramen, I'll go make my family's recipe for homemade chicken noodle soup, or I'll get miso.

/have yet to try pho, fiancé wants to take me to a ramen place. I'm willing to try, but yeah, ffs, if I say I don't like something, can you just trust that I've tried it enough times to make an informed opinion about it?
 
2013-05-08 02:09:35 PM  

factoryconnection: I figured before reading that it would come down to the writer not liking basil, or cilantro, or ginger, or fish sauce. If you don't like the herbs and spices they use in the broth, assuming it was a place that had good broth, then you won't like the food.


You can always order it without all that stuff. Just ask for a bowl of "faux".
 
2013-05-08 02:14:48 PM  
Pho sounds like the name of a rapper. Pho Shur? Pho Rheal?

I'm not looking it up because I'm guessing one exists.
 
2013-05-08 02:16:34 PM  
I first had pho almost 20 years ago and have absolutely loved it ever since. I can understand why some people don't, but it really is about figuring just how much of each additive/sauce you like. Damn, I just ate lunch and I'm getting hungry just thinking about it.
 
2013-05-08 02:18:33 PM  
Oh, and one of the best pho places I've been to was The Best Little Pho House in Texas, on Lamar(?) Street in Austin.
 
2013-05-08 02:26:41 PM  
I quite love Pho, but as others have said I can see where some people wouldn't. I don't know why anyone would assume a food would be universally loved or hated.
 
2013-05-08 02:27:18 PM  
I've never had pho.
 
2013-05-08 02:28:15 PM  
Love pho.

Only recently found out from a Vietnamese friend that I've been mispronouncing it for 20 years.

The cedilla over the "o" and the little tail on the "o" makes it a very soft sound.  I still don't think I'm getting it properly, but as close as my Caucasian mouth can get it's not "fo" (rhyming with "go") but rather more like "fhaa"
 
2013-05-08 02:30:06 PM  
KFC makes Pho?
 
2013-05-08 02:36:12 PM  
The guy has a right to his opinion.

I've had some awful food that folks rave about as if it's Gods gift to humanity and been around long enough to understand that people will eat dirt and wax all poetic about it.

I don't care if it takes three days to make that stinky, lumpy, spicy main course. It sucks, IMO, and I think you're an idiot for eating it.

Like Baloot. The Asian delicacy found mainly around Taiwan consisting of fetal ducks brought nearly to full term, then scalded to death in the shell. People who love that abomination like crunching on the little beaks, feathers and feet and slurping down the amniotic fluid they were steamed in.

I know folks who like Limburger Cheese and the foul smell of that stuff makes me wonder what desperate soul actually ate it in the first place instead of tossing it in the nearest volcano.

Then again, folks love Pizza Hut food. I don't consider Pizza Hut Pizza to be actually pizza and haven't yet figured out what the meat pellets are and I'm not actually sure if it's food..

I'm also a bit weary of 'spicy' foods. I don't like foods that might taste good, but you can't tell because the first bite sears the skin off your tongue, melts the enamel on your teeth, turns your stomach into a knotted ball of acid and then you get to brag about how, much later, it peeled the first layer of tissue off your anus when disposing of it.

I had a thing of Red Beans and Rice the other day. One of those heat and eat servings. Nowhere did it mention that the stuff was spicy. The first bite burned out my taste buds, stripped the skin from my mouth, cleaned out my sinuses, seared all of the tarter from my teeth and dumped a volcano-like portion into my stomach.

What little taste I got was good -- it's just that not being a masochist, I didn't figure it was worthwhile being in agony to continue eating it.

I've watched big, burly guys wolf down stuff buried in hot sauce, proclaiming how great it is as their faces turned red, they burst out in rivers of sweat, guzzled beer by the keg, their blood pressure soared and they produced a grin more like a death spasm to show others how manly they were.

Eskimos love killed, ungutted, small birds crammed in the fat lined skin of a seal and buried for a year in the frozen dirt to 'marinate'. They munch the buggers down feathers and all and you don't want to be down wind when they do.

Some of the best oriental soups I've had probably took the chef 30 minutes to make 10 gallons. The overall flavor was wonderful, the heat of the spices NOT designed to over power everything else and the separate ingredients all had just the right flavor and texture.

Don't forget now, the 'new yuppies' consider it a wonderful ritual to cook up the placenta of their new born child and dine on it with fine wines and close friends. After all, it's natural since animals do it.
Many birds and dogs eat the feces of their young or even their own and THAT'S natural also, but I ain't gonna do it. Elephants have been known to dig in each others arses for a dollop of feces, which they then eat.

Natural also but I prefer not to try it.

Then there's bird spit soup.

I have eaten bulls balls and found them remarkably bland, curiously unsatisfying in texture and the sauce made the meal. I'm not going to run out and buy a batch.

I've had those $5.00 coffees from Starbucks and while good, I actually had better from Mac Donalds for $2.00. A few old time diners (greasy spoon versions) gave me cups of coffee that I'd fight for and slapped down a plate of eggs I'd consider close to the food of the gods.

Usually I figure if the Yuppies and Hipsters like it, I'm probably not going to.

I don't care if thousands rave about a certain food. If it doesn't taste good to me, I aint gonna eat it and I aint gonna promote it.

I've tried some ethnic foods from my ancestry that my relatives raved about and decided they had their taste buds in their arses. Especially home made, old time breads and pastries. (Some of my ancestors never heard of producing a loaf of bread that didn't weigh a ton.)

So, I applaud the author for his candidness. From reading the remarks on the site, almost no one else did.
 
2013-05-08 02:44:47 PM  

Calmamity: I can see being ambivalent about pho, but getting yourself so worked up that you have to write an opinion column about how much you hate pho? That kind of just makes you a contrarian twat.

Shut up and make yourself a sammich.


Agreed.
 
2013-05-08 02:54:25 PM  

Rik01: Usually I figure if the Yuppies and Hipsters like it, I'm probably not going to.


If you strike down the Yuppies and Hipsters, they shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.
 
2013-05-08 02:55:43 PM  

Twitch Boy: Pho sucks, sriracha sucks, artisanal anything sucks, anything from a food truck sucks.

BIG MAC RULES!

*runs from stampede of foodie hipsters*


Yeah, but probably not very fast, tubby.
 
2013-05-08 03:02:45 PM  
Who knew pho had foes?
 
2013-05-08 03:05:34 PM  
Is that what they call a "pho pas?"
 
2013-05-08 03:05:58 PM  
I'm not a fan of asian food in general, but asian women on the other hand,
 
2013-05-08 03:06:14 PM  
It's good for the weather there. But you MUST build your bowl yourself when it comes to the herbs, etc. I can't stand cilantro, but I do like a big hot bowl of pho when it's been raining for six months.
 
2013-05-08 03:06:31 PM  
I'd never heard of pho before just this minute. Yet, I'm not suddenly aware of a vast emptiness in my life, as if I were regretful that I'd never heard of it.

I could use a Subway turkey breast with lettuce, tomato, pickles, onions and yellow mustard right now.
 
2013-05-08 03:06:41 PM  
The day I spend energy on a scathing editorial about a bowl of soup is the day I should just crawl into a gas oven.
 
2013-05-08 03:06:52 PM  

olddinosaur: Is that what they call a "pho pas?"


Zing!
 
2013-05-08 03:07:03 PM  

EvilEgg


I think he wants people to shut the pho up


What about pho in those little styrofoam dealies like pot noodle?

"Directions: pour in the hot water and shut the pho cup."
 
2013-05-08 03:07:06 PM  
It's not real pho unless it's made by someone who had to escape from South Vietnam after the fall of Saigon.

One of the great things about living in Northern VA in the 90s was great pho in every neighborhood.
 
2013-05-08 03:07:07 PM  
Aww, I was hoping to get in and make fun of the "no, you actually pronounce it like this" people before one of them posted. I don't care how Vietnamese pronounce pho (fo) any more than care how the French pronounce croissant (KRO-sant) or the Mexicans pronounce burrito (buh-REE-to).
 
2013-05-08 03:07:10 PM  
I want to start a restaurant named Phở Q.
 
2013-05-08 03:07:22 PM  
I will go out to the pho restaurant if my wife suggests it on her turn.  I would never choose it for the outings I get to select.  We don't eat out much with the baby (once per month-ish)... and pho seems like an utter waste of a food adventure IMHO.
Its just so 'meh'.
 
2013-05-08 03:07:24 PM  
I had pho for lunch today- yes, with added Sriracha- so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

//From Trader Joe's, too.
 
2013-05-08 03:07:42 PM  
cilantro...  haters gonna hate
 
2013-05-08 03:07:45 PM  
Oh PHO U column writer/subby!!!

I keed.  I love some good pho, but there are places that are salty broth and noodles. But if you don't like it, don't go eat more.  Pretty simple, no?

*shrug*  do not get the hate
 
wee
2013-05-08 03:08:05 PM  

EvilEgg: I get where the author is coming from.  I have heard of pho, but I have never actually eaten it.  From the people who talk about it, I expect to emulate Meg Ryan in her famous diner scene if I ever get around to eating it.


I lived in a predominately Asian community for a long time. There was pho everywhere.  It's kinda "meh".  Better than the ramen or whatever people try to pass off as pho in non-Asian places, sure, but it's nothing I'd go out of my way to eat.  It's rice noodles in broth with herbs added, after all.

If I get pho and it's basically ramen noodles and spices, no big deal, I'll eat it and go about my business.  But when Thai food has jalapenos, Italian basil and plain ginger in it, I just can't eat it since I know a tiny part of me will die inside.  The gulf between good Thai food and bad is much, much wider than for good pho and bad pho. But then I'm an uncivilized heathen.

bdub77: Pho sounds like the name of a rapper. Pho Shur? Pho Rheal?


It's pronounced more like "fuh" than "foe", by the way.
 
2013-05-08 03:08:06 PM  

exick: The only drawback of pho for me is the exorbitant amount of cilantro I have to deal with. Basil, ginger, fish sauce, broth, meat, noodles are all great. And then I get to the farking forest of cilantro. Gorrammit!


See, I like cilantro (and like pho, though I've had some from places I really didn't care for too) and was wondering if maybe the author is one of those people who doesn't like cilantro. Because if so, any sort of pho experience is pretty much doomed.

I absolutely love ramen and there are no places near me at all that sell it (some places say they do but they're not even anywhere close).  Pho is something KINDA similar, different, but I like pho so I'm willing to get sorta close. Also some other Chinese bowls of noodle dishes (I just like a big bowl of noodle soup.)  But I would definitely not think pho and ramen are the same...
 
2013-05-08 03:08:53 PM  
ZAZ:
Almost every single time, people need to tell me how wrong I am and how I must try it at their place and add just the right amount of Sriracha and not doing this is why I didn't like it.

Sounds like tofu cultists I have met. No, tofu doesn't take on the essence of whatever oils you annoint it with. At its best it is tasteless and slimy and at its worst both the taste and texture are horrid. No, I am not going to try it just one more time because this chef mixes it with dried broccoli excrement and the taste is to die for. Or more likely to die from.


Your presence at the tofu bar will be sorely missed, I assure you.

Rik01:
I've had those $5.00 coffees from Starbucks and while good, I actually had better from Mac Donalds for $2.00.

That is because, god help us, McDonalds serves surprisingly good coffee.  Better than Tim Horton's or Starbucks' anyway, that's for sure.
 
2013-05-08 03:09:11 PM  

factoryconnection: "I don't like it because it's just bland noodles and sort-of salty broth. Seriously, that's it. I really think you guys think it's much more than that. Yes, I realize it usually has meat and some weird veggies in it, but bean sprouts and Thai basil also aren't that good..."

I figured before reading that it would come down to the writer not liking basil, or cilantro, or ginger, or fish sauce.  If you don't like the herbs and spices they use in the broth, assuming it was a place that had good broth, then you won't like the food.

brap: That's great, um, maybe you should order something else.

Yeah, considering that most pho places also have banh mi, and if you don't like banh mi I don't know what you're looking for in life.


THAT.

Dear lord, THAT.
 
2013-05-08 03:09:20 PM  
The comments in that article are hilarious!

How dare you hate pho!  That's BS, it is wrong to hate.  I hate your whole paper!!
 
2013-05-08 03:09:34 PM  

Apos: Pho real, subby?


Pho sure!
 
2013-05-08 03:10:09 PM  
fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net Pho from the best place in Hanoi, open since 1945, unmatched in the states, cost $2.50
 
2013-05-08 03:10:19 PM  
That was some grade A self-indulgent crap.
 
2013-05-08 03:10:51 PM  
Pho is not a hipster food. It's very much a working man type of food; it's made with relatively common ingredients, there's little in the way of fancy cooking methods or obscure preparations. And pho is exactly the type of thing you'd eat when you're hung over and need something to pick you up. It really doesn't fit the profile of a hipster/foodie favorite
 
2013-05-08 03:10:51 PM  

Gonz: I had pho for lunch today- yes, with added Sriracha- so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

//From Trader Joe's, too.


Wow, didn't know they carried it. Was it one of those styrofoam cups you microwave, or what?
 
2013-05-08 03:10:57 PM  
I always thought NOLA had tons of pho because of the large Vietnamese population, especially on the west bank and in the east.

Now I'm finding out it's all over the country. Is this a new fad?

By the way I love pho but not as much as a Vietnamese po boy (banh mi)
 
2013-05-08 03:11:07 PM  

BunkoSquad: factoryconnection: I figured before reading that it would come down to the writer not liking basil, or cilantro, or ginger, or fish sauce. If you don't like the herbs and spices they use in the broth, assuming it was a place that had good broth, then you won't like the food.

You can always order it without all that stuff. Just ask for a bowl of "faux".


I make a mean faux. Beef ramen noodles made like soup, poured over thawed out steak umms with a splash of taste of Thai fish sauce and if I am lucky enough to have cilantro and bean sprouts on hand, oh yeah, look out iron chef.
 
2013-05-08 03:11:26 PM  
As if complaints on facebook aren't bad enough to randomly come across, since when did "opinion pieces" of newspapers get reduced to this drivel.
 
2013-05-08 03:12:06 PM  
I never realized that was called "pho".  I just thought it was just a common name for a Vietnamese restaurant.  Who said you never learn anything on Fark?
 
2013-05-08 03:12:20 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Love pho.

Only recently found out from a Vietnamese friend that I've been mispronouncing it for 20 years.

The cedilla over the "o" and the little tail on the "o" makes it a very soft sound.  I still don't think I'm getting it properly, but as close as my Caucasian mouth can get it's not "fo" (rhyming with "go") but rather more like "fhaa"


We were learned that lesson too back in our hometown of Denver, and that pronunciation was catching on.  Now that we've moved to TX/NM, people look at us weird if we say "fhaa".  It's back to "faux" for us.
 
2013-05-08 03:12:33 PM  

Rik01: Eskimos love killed, ungutted, small birds crammed in the fat lined skin of a seal and buried for a year in the frozen dirt to 'marinate'. They munch the buggers down feathers and all and you don't want to be down wind when they do.


Heh.  I think a lot of traditional delicacy foods surely HAD to have their origin in some sort of "Dear? We're starving. Is there anything at all to eat?" "Well, I think there's maybe some rotten fish left buried in the yard from last year, and maybe some rotten soybeans out in the barn..."  "OK! let's try it!" and they didn't die, so hey, it's all good! scenario.

/not a fan of things that ping the "rotten" area
 
2013-05-08 03:12:37 PM  

Peki: Calmamity: I can see being ambivalent about pho, but getting yourself so worked up that you have to write an opinion column about how much you hate pho? That kind of just makes you a contrarian twat.

Shut up and make yourself a sammich.

No, he's all worked up that people won't stfu and trust him when he says, "I don't like it." Same thing when I tell people I don't like ramen. Everyone is all "WTF? How could you NOT like ramen?"

If I want something like ramen, I'll go make my family's recipe for homemade chicken noodle soup, or I'll get miso.

/have yet to try pho, fiancé wants to take me to a ramen place. I'm willing to try, but yeah, ffs, if I say I don't like something, can you just trust that I've tried it enough times to make an informed opinion about it?


At least you get the choice of what noodles you would like, or dislike for dinner.   I doubt the prisoners you are so jealous of, are so lucky
 
2013-05-08 03:13:25 PM  

Calmamity: I can see being ambivalent about pho, but getting yourself so worked up that you have to write an opinion column about how much you hate pho? That kind of just makes you a contrarian twat.

Shut up and make yourself a sammich.


Probably can't have an orgasm, either.
 
2013-05-08 03:13:36 PM  

Via Infinito: hubiestubert: So get something you do like. It's food, it's not rocket science.

I grew up in the South, and I despise okra. It's like eating a slimy eyebrow, but if folks like it, more power to them. If you are so worried about what people think about your food likes and dislikes, maybe you shouldn't eat in public. Or maybe get over your damn selves.

OMG I laughed SO HARD. You're right. I'm from AL and have always hated boiled okra too.


If it's that slimy, it's overcooked.  Blanch the whole pod for 3-4 minutes, drain, slice, mix with tomatoes and onions, cook until everything is tender...that's good eatin'.  But yeah, overcooked okra is nasty.
 
2013-05-08 03:13:50 PM  

Sybarite: Mexicans pronounce burrito (buh-REE-to).


Huh. Can you clarify this one? I'm from Los Angeles, and I've been sitting for the last five minutes trying to figure out what other way I hear it pronounced.

/CSS: Had some trouble ordering a "Baja Chicken Chalupa" from a Toxic Smell in Arkansas once. I placed my order (Baha Chicken. . ), and he goes, "Huh?? Oh, you mean with Bayjuh sauce? Okay!"
 
2013-05-08 03:14:03 PM  

wee: I lived in a predominately Asian community for a long time. There was pho everywhere. It's kinda "meh". Better than the ramen or whatever people try to pass off as pho in non-Asian places, sure, but it's nothing I'd go out of my way to eat. It's rice noodles in broth with herbs added, after all.


Outside of picking up a tinge of atypical "white suburbia congratulating itself for eating 'ethnic' food" from some angles, I really don't hear that much profound love for pho's taste.

I love it because it's a huge, filling bowl of soup for only five bucks.

Now, the pho joints that also make and serve the real Bánh mì, (a sandwich which is somewhat hilariously the biggest indicator Vietnam was a French colony at one point) are real good.
 
2013-05-08 03:14:43 PM  
Phogettaboutit.
 
2013-05-08 03:15:37 PM  
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FARK YOU MODS!!!!! NO SEATTLE TRIFECTA
 
2013-05-08 03:15:42 PM  

EvilEgg: I get where the author is coming from.  I have heard of pho, but I have never actually eaten it.  From the people who talk about it, I expect to emulate Meg Ryan in her famous diner scene if I ever get around to eating it.


Its really not "that" great. What I love about it is simply that its super cheap. Imagine if you will ramen noodles made at home (well except these are rice noodles), with some cheap flank stake thrown in and some herbs. Nothing special at all, but its filling and super cheap, perfect college food.
 
2013-05-08 03:15:43 PM  
They kicked our ass in the war.
Least we can do is eat their food.
 
2013-05-08 03:15:44 PM  
arthurhungry.com
/...please
 
2013-05-08 03:15:48 PM  
What the fark guys?

i.imgur.com

There, all is right in the world.
 
2013-05-08 03:16:08 PM  
No Such Agency:

That is because, god help us, McDonalds serves surprisingly good coffee.  Better than Tim Horton's or Starbucks' anyway, that's for sure.

Agreed.  And the fact the McDs has some really damn good coffee scares me.  Better than anything else on my drive to work; Dunkin Donuts and the gas station.  I usually make coffee at home, but sometimes for a once every couple months treat I don't pack coffee, breakfast or lunch and just wing it.  There is an awesome coffee shop that roasts their own on the way to work, but they are hard to get in and out of (drive all the way around the block, turn in sort of crosswise to the entrance to a dry cleaner, then up the block to where you can park), they don't open till 6:30 (when I usually am already at work), and it's worth it but waiting 10 mins on your brewed (dripped?) by the cup drip coffee just adds to my late arrival at work. And the coffee and a fresh croissant is $10. I save that place for special saturday mornings, preferably rainy.  They have free wifi for customers and a really comfy set of couches.

anyway, sorry for the not so CSB.
 
2013-05-08 03:17:20 PM  

LandOfChocolate: At least you get the choice of what noodles you would like, or dislike for dinner.   I doubt the prisoners you are so jealous of, are so lucky


Maybe if I could afford it.

/seriously people, what part of "0 income" don't you get? The fiancé is a full-time musician at school, we get $100 a week to live off, and half of that goes to gas. Fark off.
 
2013-05-08 03:17:28 PM  
I love pho.  I have it all the time.  you might say I'm the king of pho.

In fact... definitely.  I am the pho king.
 
2013-05-08 03:17:47 PM  
Heathens using cilantro in pho.  Long Coriander is much preferred.
 
2013-05-08 03:17:53 PM  

Rik01: Elephants have been known to dig in each others arses for a dollop of feces, which they then eat.


daisybrand.com
Dollop of Daisy will do ya!

On a different note, spicy foods are an addiction (not in the literal sense). The act of eating it and suffering causes an endorphin release and people build tolerances over time. I, for one, have gone a little too heavy handed with the Sriracha before...
 
2013-05-08 03:17:54 PM  

exick: factoryconnection: I figured before reading that it would come down to the writer not liking basil, or cilantro, or ginger, or fish sauce. If you don't like the herbs and spices they use in the broth, assuming it was a place that had good broth, then you won't like the food.

The only drawback of pho for me is the exorbitant amount of cilantro I have to deal with. Basil, ginger, fish sauce, broth, meat, noodles are all great. And then I get to the farking forest of cilantro. Gorrammit!


Cilantro is a test of the true foodie. You may have excellent taste, but if the C-receptor gene has passed you by, you can never be one of the elect.
 
2013-05-08 03:18:02 PM  
I like most asian food.  I don't like Italian which will really get you some raised eyebrows.
 
2013-05-08 03:18:42 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Love pho.

Only recently found out from a Vietnamese friend that I've been mispronouncing it for 20 years.

The cedilla over the "o" and the little tail on the "o" makes it a very soft sound.  I still don't think I'm getting it properly, but as close as my Caucasian mouth can get it's not "fo" (rhyming with "go") but rather more like "fhaa"


The easy way to remember it is there's a famous shop in seattle called Pho King.
 
2013-05-08 03:18:53 PM  

Rik01: Don't forget now, the 'new yuppies' consider it a wonderful ritual to cook up the placenta of their new born child and dine on it with fine wines and close friends.


Sorry man, but that's just wrong.

Everyone knows that cold placenta sandwiches are really the best way of eating it.
 
2013-05-08 03:19:18 PM  
It's soup. Broth soup. It began as poor-people's street food. How exciting is it supposed to be?
 
2013-05-08 03:19:44 PM  

exick: factoryconnection: I figured before reading that it would come down to the writer not liking basil, or cilantro, or ginger, or fish sauce. If you don't like the herbs and spices they use in the broth, assuming it was a place that had good broth, then you won't like the food.

The only drawback of pho for me is the exorbitant amount of cilantro I have to deal with. Basil, ginger, fish sauce, broth, meat, noodles are all great. And then I get to the farking forest of cilantro. Gorrammit!





THIS

 
2013-05-08 03:19:53 PM  

tuna fingers: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Love pho.

Only recently found out from a Vietnamese friend that I've been mispronouncing it for 20 years.

The cedilla over the "o" and the little tail on the "o" makes it a very soft sound.  I still don't think I'm getting it properly, but as close as my Caucasian mouth can get it's not "fo" (rhyming with "go") but rather more like "fhaa"

We were learned that lesson too back in our hometown of Denver, and that pronunciation was catching on.  Now that we've moved to TX/NM, people look at us weird if we say "fhaa".  It's back to "faux" for us.


I'm always torn, because I want the person I am talking with to know what I am talking about, and "faux" usually works better there.
 
2013-05-08 03:20:09 PM  

Gonz: I had pho for lunch today- yes, with added Sriracha- so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

//From Trader Joe's, too.


I'm glad you answered the question no one cared to ask.
 
2013-05-08 03:20:37 PM  

Farce-Side: I've never had pho.


I don't think I have either... ain't that the damndest thing.
 
2013-05-08 03:20:52 PM  
I've never even heard of pho before this article.  Is it anything like Phe, Phi, or Phum?
 
2013-05-08 03:21:22 PM  

No Such Agency: That is because, god help us, McDonalds serves surprisingly good coffee.  Better than Tim Horton's or Starbucks' anyway, that's for sure.


If you want HOT coffee, sure.  I only wish they made straight black normal iced coffee too, but the one near me only has some pre-mixed milk and sugar-laden sweet beverage that I definitely Do Not Want.
 
2013-05-08 03:21:55 PM  
Vietnamese food is too mainstream anyways. Anyone with half a brain would prefer Tchotcho cuisine. Bak bon dzhow is to die for!
 
2013-05-08 03:21:57 PM  

Rik01: I've had some awful food that folks rave about


You don't drink, don't smoke - what do you do?
 
2013-05-08 03:23:14 PM  

Peki: LandOfChocolate: At least you get the choice of what noodles you would like, or dislike for dinner.   I doubt the prisoners you are so jealous of, are so lucky

Maybe if I could afford it.

/seriously people, what part of "0 income" don't you get? The fiancé is a full-time musician at school, we get $100 a week to live off, and half of that goes to gas. Fark off.


No one would care if you didn't bleat about it all the time like we're somehow supposed to care.

No one cares.  Get a job. Fiancee doesn't go to school full time, gets a job.  Whatever.

yes, yes, I'm sure you have all the reasons in the world why you can't manage that.

just stop telling us how poor you are.  We don't care.
 
2013-05-08 03:23:16 PM  
Best part of Pho is getting mixing bowl worth of the stuff for $5.

Also it allows for the delightful restaurant sign, "Pho King"
 
2013-05-08 03:23:42 PM  
All this fuss over a Greek letter? Come on, it's a dead language. Get over it.
 
2013-05-08 03:23:49 PM  

tortilla burger: Pho is not a hipster food. It's very much a working man type of food; it's made with relatively common ingredients, there's little in the way of fancy cooking methods or obscure preparations. And pho is exactly the type of thing you'd eat when you're hung over and need something to pick you up. It really doesn't fit the profile of a hipster/foodie favorite


Enjoying (but only ironically) the best things about working men's lives is the raison d'etre of a hipster.
 
2013-05-08 03:23:59 PM  
There is no good pho that I could find in Manila, even though you can hit Vietnam with a rock from there.  Maybe because of no cheap, but OK, beef.
 
2013-05-08 03:24:30 PM  

HailRobonia: Vietnamese food is too mainstream anyways. Anyone with half a brain would prefer Tchotcho cuisine. Bak bon dzhow is to die for!


My connoisseur friends are all about Oyuunchimegian cuisine, which originates from a 3 mile cubic part of land in Northern Mongolia. Even the nomadic peoples in the area haven't heard of it.
 
2013-05-08 03:25:21 PM  
i love pho
 
2013-05-08 03:25:33 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: I love pho.  I have it all the time.  you might say I'm the king of pho.

In fact... definitely.  I am the pho king.




Me have heard pho king great. Also pho king brilliant! So all praise pho king!!
 
2013-05-08 03:25:42 PM  

show me: Gonz: I had pho for lunch today- yes, with added Sriracha- so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

//From Trader Joe's, too.

Wow, didn't know they carried it. Was it one of those styrofoam cups you microwave, or what?


It's in the freezer section, but yeah, it's "add water and microwave".

It's not as good as fresh, but for an office lunch, it was a'ight.
 
2013-05-08 03:26:25 PM  
People with very strong commitments to their own mediocrity should not be put in the spotlight.
 
2013-05-08 03:26:33 PM  
I love all the people personally attacking the author in the comments section, oblivious to the fact that their vitriol over their precious dish is proving his/her point.
 
2013-05-08 03:26:33 PM  
In the history of the Internets, this may be the dumbest non-derpy, non-Repugnican article yet.

This article is bad and the author should feel bad.
 
2013-05-08 03:26:57 PM  

factoryconnection: Yeah, considering that most pho places also have banh mi, and if you don't like banh mi I don't know what you're looking for in life.


I had my first bahn mi last week.  From Cafe Recess on Capitol Hill.  (Yeah, I'm naming names.)  First bite was "Interesting mix of flavors, nice roll."  Second was "Yeah, I can get down with...what's that?!?" I pulled from my mouth a rubbery, gelatinous bolus of pork fat, still cold from the fridge.  "Oh well, set that aside, still tastes pretty good."

Third bite was worse, a bigger, damper hunk of fat that oozed gelid pus-like fluid.  I gagged.  I pulled it out of my mouth, tore the sandwich open, and every slice of pork in it was the same: post-it note-sized slabs of thick fat with a strand or two of meat only about as wide as a #2 pencil, the red jambon was only marginally better.  I tossed it in the trash.

I will give it another shot at a different location, because they are springing up all over the city, so there must be something to it.

But Never Again, Cafe Recess.
 
2013-05-08 03:27:21 PM  
I like Phò but I have to RUN to the bathroom as soon as I am finished eating. It's like body Drano to me.
 
2013-05-08 03:28:09 PM  
f0.bcbits.com
 
2013-05-08 03:28:15 PM  

royone: All this fuss over a Greek letter? Come on, it's a dead language. Get over it.


You do know that Greece still exists, right?
 
2013-05-08 03:28:24 PM  
Who cares?
 
2013-05-08 03:28:34 PM  
What the hell is pho?
 
2013-05-08 03:28:42 PM  

IntertubeUser


In the history of the Internets, this may be the dumbest non-derpy, non-Repugnican article yet.


There must be some sparkly vampire dreck out there that's even worse than this.


This article is bad and the author should feel bad.


Agreed.
 
2013-05-08 03:28:43 PM  

hubiestubert: I grew up in the South, and I despise okra. It's like eating a slimy eyebrow, but if folks like it, more power to them.


Preach on!

That crap is awful.  And I spent enough time near Irmo, SC to have their yearly okra festival forced on me.

No, I didn't go; I wasn't within 10 miles of it, but they boiled so much of the crap that, even that far away, you could smell it.
 
2013-05-08 03:28:45 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Peki: LandOfChocolate: At least you get the choice of what noodles you would like, or dislike for dinner.   I doubt the prisoners you are so jealous of, are so lucky

Maybe if I could afford it.

/seriously people, what part of "0 income" don't you get? The fiancé is a full-time musician at school, we get $100 a week to live off, and half of that goes to gas. Fark off.

No one would care if you didn't bleat about it all the time like we're somehow supposed to care.

No one cares.  Get a job. Fiancee doesn't go to school full time, gets a job.  Whatever.

yes, yes, I'm sure you have all the reasons in the world why you can't manage that.

just stop telling us how poor you are.  We don't care.


So poor...to be typing on a computer and apparently having the internet access.  Unless it's a shared computer used in a free wifi starbucks (which poors shouldn't be able to afford anyway.  Get some Wal-Mart-brand Dehydrated Coffee, that's at least a prudent use of public funds)
 
2013-05-08 03:28:52 PM  
Successful PNW troll is successful.

I don't really care about pho.  Never had a preference.  I've had OK and I've had Bertie Bot's Vomit Flavored Pho.  It is soup, a blender away from being a smoothie.

I live in the PNW and I agree with one point:  what is the big ass deal with it?  Here in B'ham, we have pho and bubble tea on nearly as many corners as coffee shops (though that is rapidly shifting to Mexican food restaurants).  I exaggerate for clarification, but seems like there are some shady former houses that sell pho around town.
 
2013-05-08 03:30:55 PM  
That guy is one pissed off mutha Pho Ga.
 
2013-05-08 03:31:26 PM  
Speaking of Pho in Seattle...

Pho Tic Tac in Shoreline (corner SR99 and N 145th) is good
Pho Vietnam in Ballard (15th Ave NW near NW 70th) is good and cheap, but parking on 15th sucks.
 
2013-05-08 03:31:32 PM  

HailRobonia: royone: All this fuss over a Greek letter? Come on, it's a dead language. Get over it.

You do know that Greece still exists, right?


Yes, but the language is dead.

Also, the economy.
 
2013-05-08 03:31:45 PM  

another cultural observer: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Peki: LandOfChocolate: At least you get the choice of what noodles you would like, or dislike for dinner.   I doubt the prisoners you are so jealous of, are so lucky

Maybe if I could afford it.

/seriously people, what part of "0 income" don't you get? The fiancé is a full-time musician at school, we get $100 a week to live off, and half of that goes to gas. Fark off.

No one would care if you didn't bleat about it all the time like we're somehow supposed to care.

No one cares.  Get a job. Fiancee doesn't go to school full time, gets a job.  Whatever.

yes, yes, I'm sure you have all the reasons in the world why you can't manage that.

just stop telling us how poor you are.  We don't care.

So poor...to be typing on a computer and apparently having the internet access.  Unless it's a shared computer used in a free wifi starbucks (which poors shouldn't be able to afford anyway.  Get some Wal-Mart-brand Dehydrated Coffee, that's at least a prudent use of public funds)


apparently free iPad he got from some survey deal.  I'm just tired of every single thread coming around to listening how poor the poster is.  So poor that he's considering committing a crime so that he can be housed where they get better food, healthcare, living conditions, etc that he has at the moment.

It does get very old.
 
2013-05-08 03:32:07 PM  

Calmamity: I can see being ambivalent about pho, but getting yourself so worked up that you have to write an opinion column about how much you hate pho? That kind of just makes you a contrarian twat.

Shut up and make yourself a sammich.


This just in:  Freelance writers will commonly write about stupid shiat to get paid because they routinely run out of interesting ideas.

They all can't be home runs Francis.
 
2013-05-08 03:32:10 PM  
I order mine with tripe and pork balls. mmmmm
 
2013-05-08 03:32:19 PM  

EvilEgg: I get where the author is coming from.  I have heard of pho, but I have never actually eaten it.  From the people who talk about it, I expect to emulate Meg Ryan in her famous diner scene if I ever get around to eating it.


Good pho is amazing.  Like most things, however, there are 100 pho places that suck for every one that's great.
 
2013-05-08 03:32:22 PM  

hubiestubert: So get something you do like. It's food, it's not rocket science.

I grew up in the South, and I despise okra. It's like eating a slimy eyebrow, but if folks like it, more power to them.


Good analogy.  I grew up in SC and I despise okra as well.  Didn't stop me from attending the Okra Struts, but no way in heck was I going to eat the stuff.

Oh, and I love pho, but I've had to cut meat from my diet.  So - and I'm not trying to be a hipster here - I wish there was a truly vegetarian version that tasted as good as the beef version.  I doubt there is.
 
2013-05-08 03:33:25 PM  
factoryconnection:
To be fair to the author, people can go overboard when it comes to food trends.  He's no doubt, being from Seattle where Pho is super-hot for the last several years, constantly pinged on about how strange it is that he doesn't like it.

"She", and she looks like she enjoys Big Macs.

si0.twimg.com
 
2013-05-08 03:34:41 PM  

hubiestubert: So get something you do like. It's food, it's not rocket science.

I grew up in the South, and I despise okra. It's like eating a slimy eyebrow, but if folks like it, more power to them. If you are so worried about what people think about your food likes and dislikes, maybe you shouldn't eat in public. Or maybe get over your damn selves.


LMAO!!  The most perfect description of okra, EVER.
 
2013-05-08 03:34:51 PM  

big pig peaches: What the hell is pho?


The number after tree.
 
2013-05-08 03:35:10 PM  

Majin_Buu: Farce-Side: I've never had pho.

I don't think I have either... ain't that the damndest thing.


Had beef noodle soup?  You've had the Western version of it.

Don't get me wrong - when it's authentic, it's good.  If you aren't a cilantro fan you might not.
 
2013-05-08 03:35:17 PM  
Sounds like 99% or all yelpers.

If someone ever says, "I really  wanted to like it... I really did." to me, they are getting their goddamned throat ripped right farking out.

"I really love food." Really? fark YOU!
 
2013-05-08 03:35:37 PM  
From Wiki: The broth for beef phở is generally made by simmering beef bones, oxtails, flank steak, charred onion, charred ginger and spices. For a more intense flavor, the bones may still have beef on them. Chicken bones also work and produce a similar broth. Seasonings can include Saigon cinnamon or other kinds of cinnamon as alternatives (may use stick or powder), star anise, roasted ginger, roasted onion, black cardamom, coriander seed, fennel seed, and clove. The broth takes several hours to make.[13][14] For chicken phở, only the meat and bones of the chicken are used in place of beef and beef bone. The remaining spices remain the same, but the charred ginger can be omitted, since its function in beef phở is to get rid of the "cow's smell"

Lovely.
 
2013-05-08 03:36:02 PM  
Meh i love Pho.  Everyone has different tastes so who cares if someone like or doesn't like it.

another cultural observer: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Peki: LandOfChocolate: At least you get the choice of what noodles you would like, or dislike for dinner.   I doubt the prisoners you are so jealous of, are so lucky

Maybe if I could afford it.

/seriously people, what part of "0 income" don't you get? The fiancé is a full-time musician at school, we get $100 a week to live off, and half of that goes to gas. Fark off.

No one would care if you didn't bleat about it all the time like we're somehow supposed to care.

No one cares.  Get a job. Fiancee doesn't go to school full time, gets a job.  Whatever.

yes, yes, I'm sure you have all the reasons in the world why you can't manage that.

just stop telling us how poor you are.  We don't care.

So poor...to be typing on a computer and apparently having the internet access.  Unless it's a shared computer used in a free wifi starbucks (which poors shouldn't be able to afford anyway.  Get some Wal-Mart-brand Dehydrated Coffee, that's at least a prudent use of public funds)


Interesting I just spent a few weeks out in the Philippines.  I'll have to let some of the people know that although they don't have running water, toilets or a bunch of other things, that since they have the internet they aren't poor.  Thanks for clearing that up for me.
 
2013-05-08 03:36:05 PM  
Is Pho what they serve in Viet Nom Nom Nom?

\\\ Aisle seat, please.
 
2013-05-08 03:36:23 PM  
I don't know pho, but if you're ever in DC this soup is the BOMB:

www.malaysiakopitiam.com

Vegetable Curry Laksa from Malaysia Kopetiam

Try it, you'll like it!
 
2013-05-08 03:36:34 PM  
I had left over pho for lunch. Love those Vietnamese sandwiches as well.
 
2013-05-08 03:37:02 PM  
The best Pho I've had was in Houston. Where there are shrimp boats within 50 or less miles, you'll find great Pho if there are a significant number of Vietnamese families nearby (which Houston has in abundance).
 
2013-05-08 03:37:06 PM  

Farce-Side: I've never had pho.


Hell, I never even heard of the stuff. I was thinking it was that Asian kid who makes the dance videos, but then I wondered why Seattle would be upset if you didn't like him.
 
2013-05-08 03:37:12 PM  
PHOK EWE.
/fark filter...does it "see" this.
 
2013-05-08 03:37:24 PM  
Yes, there is a right to an opinion. But who cares? I have a lot of meaningless opinions myself. I don't feel the need to write a full page article  about it. That's narcissism that exceeds the posting pictures of breakfast.
 
2013-05-08 03:37:47 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: No one would care if you didn't bleat about it all the time like we're somehow supposed to care.No one cares.  Get a job. Fiancee doesn't go to school full time, gets a job.  Whatever.yes, yes, I'm sure you have all the reasons in the world why you can't manage that.just stop telling us how poor you are.  We don't care.


Then ignore me. Fark does give you that ability.

And I repeat it because I don't assume the same people are on the same threads all the time (unlike you I actually don't care who posts what, and take each post as if it were a completely new person unless there's a trail to follow--few exceptions to this are Tats, randomsja, SkinnyHead, Pocket Ninja, etc.), and the same stupid crap keeps getting repeated that proves people have no idea wtf is actually going on in the world around them.
 
2013-05-08 03:38:17 PM  

indeebud: hubiestubert: So get something you do like. It's food, it's not rocket science.

I grew up in the South, and I despise okra. It's like eating a slimy eyebrow, but if folks like it, more power to them. If you are so worried about what people think about your food likes and dislikes, maybe you shouldn't eat in public. Or maybe get over your damn selves.

LMAO!!  The most perfect description of okra, EVER.


Bhindi Masala - Okra Curry - no slime
 
2013-05-08 03:38:31 PM  
My roommate is a pho fanatic. I've tried to like it, going to several different pho shops, but I've come to the conclusion that it will always taste like crap.  No surprise since making it involves using parts of an animal that is best thrown in the garbage.
 
2013-05-08 03:38:46 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I feel the same way about sushi. I'm considered a philistine because I farking HATE fish!


Philistine is a euphemism for people like you.

/I keed, I keed
/more toro for me
 
2013-05-08 03:38:50 PM  
I'm sure he loved pho just fine before it was cool to love pho.
 
2013-05-08 03:39:08 PM  
I just made this sound like Schwartz's mom on the phone in "The Christmas Story."
 
2013-05-08 03:40:05 PM  
That slop does not look appetizing.  Bring me some meat.
 
2013-05-08 03:42:37 PM  
The Pacific Northwest is a terrible place. The people are just awful .
 
2013-05-08 03:42:43 PM  
I've never heard of it, but it sounds kinda good.
 
2013-05-08 03:43:01 PM  

fsbilly: If someone ever says, "I really wanted to like it... I really did." to me, they are getting their goddamned throat ripped right farking out.


This is BS.  I really want to like onions and peppers since they are a big part of a lot of my favorite dishes, but I just don't like them.  I try them every couple of months, hoping that my tastes will change, but sadly they never do.  I just keep ordering my favorite dishes and picking them out of it.
 
2013-05-08 03:43:28 PM  
There is a famous Vietnamese place in Vancouver called:

PHO BICH NGA

Say that phonetically.
 
2013-05-08 03:44:03 PM  

hubiestubert: So get something you do like. It's food, it's not rocket science.

I grew up in the South, and I despise okra. It's like eating a slimy eyebrow, but if folks like it, more power to them. If you are so worried about what people think about your food likes and dislikes, maybe you shouldn't eat in public. Or maybe get over your damn selves.


When I was 15 I was sent to Florida with my brother to stay with our grandparents for the summer.  One of the first thing my grandmother did was cook up some fried okra.  "You're going to love this!"  Your description is spot on.

Also, spending a summer on the beach at that age is awesome unless your grandmother insists on being with you every farking moment.  I'm 15, biatch.  I'm a walking boner and I can't meet girls with you hovering over me every damn second!
 
2013-05-08 03:44:57 PM  

Peki: Satan's Bunny Slippers: No one would care if you didn't bleat about it all the time like we're somehow supposed to care.No one cares.  Get a job. Fiancee doesn't go to school full time, gets a job.  Whatever.yes, yes, I'm sure you have all the reasons in the world why you can't manage that.just stop telling us how poor you are.  We don't care.

Then ignore me. Fark does give you that ability.

And I repeat it because I don't assume the same people are on the same threads all the time (unlike you I actually don't care who posts what, and take each post as if it were a completely new person unless there's a trail to follow--few exceptions to this are Tats, randomsja, SkinnyHead, Pocket Ninja, etc.), and the same stupid crap keeps getting repeated that proves people have no idea wtf is actually going on in the world around them.


I don't ignore anyone.  And if you don't care who posts what, then why are you replying to me?  Obviously, you do care. And you're looking for attention, so you got some. You also keep repeating the same stupid crap if even I have noticed.  I barely notice anyone, just the real irritants.

Have a nice day.
 
2013-05-08 03:45:22 PM  
Also - Kimchi Jjigae:

upload.wikimedia.org
Love it!
 
2013-05-08 03:45:32 PM  
fta
"I really love food. I've been known to get giggly or even teary-eyed when I eat something really good. I can name you plates I've had that have changed how I look at the world. "

Sounds Fat.
 
2013-05-08 03:46:15 PM  

Rik01: Some of the best oriental soups I've had probably took the chef 30 minutes to make 10 gallons.


Gramps, is that you? You've forgotten to take your meds again, haven't you?
 
2013-05-08 03:46:20 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop: Hell, I never even heard of the stuff. I was thinking it was that Asian kid who makes the dance videos, but then I wondered why Seattle would be upset if you didn't like him.


This.

I've had pho.  It's just vietnamese soup.  Didn't cross my mind that it would be a hated item.

/Thought there were lots in SC because of the dense Vietnamese population
//guess we're not special.
 
2013-05-08 03:46:20 PM  

spentmiles: Licking your own asshole isn't normal.  But on pho it is.


So pho aids in increasing back flexibility? It's like some sort of wonderfood, isn't it?
 
2013-05-08 03:47:19 PM  

Gonz: I had pho for lunch today- yes, with added Sriracha- so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

//From Trader Joe's, too.


Wow, if it wasn't for the likelihood of getting mugged in TJ's parking lot, I'd pick me up some.
 
2013-05-08 03:48:17 PM  

i upped my meds-up yours: Cilantro is a test of the true foodie. You may have excellent taste, but if the C-receptor gene has passed you by, you can never be one of the elect.


I grow my own cilantro. And, since we don't use pesticides on our vegetable garden, you know what that means?


Homegrown organic cilantro, that's what.

 
2013-05-08 03:48:40 PM  
I never found a Pho I liked.

Saimin... that I could eat for days.
 
2013-05-08 03:48:48 PM  
Whole lotta assholes up in this thread.

/By assholes, I mean the people who decided to leap all over what someone said in a differentthread, drag it in here, and derail the conversation.
 
2013-05-08 03:48:55 PM  
t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-08 03:49:08 PM  

ckevinc: fta
"I really love food. I've been known to get giggly or even teary-eyed when I eat something really good. I can name you plates I've had that have changed how I look at the world. "

Sounds Fat.


or, she's eaten bone marrow before.  makes every terrestrial, ambulatory beast look like sweet love... must... eat... bones...  inside walls... meat butter...

what were we talking about, i zoned out for a little while
 
2013-05-08 03:49:13 PM  

Levarien: Best part of Pho is getting mixing bowl worth of the stuff for $5.

Also it allows for the delightful restaurant sign, "Pho King"


My first Vietnamese restuarant was in Vegas, with the family of my vietnamese partner. His mom pointed the sign out to me and laughed heartily.
Pho Kim Long.
 
2013-05-08 03:49:50 PM  
Obligatory pho porn:  http://youtu.be/PsSiA-JHm0U

I've had outstanding pho and underwhelming pho, but never bad pho. I love when the broth has stronger cardamom, clove, and star anise flavors to it, and usually get tendon, tripe, and rare flank.
 
2013-05-08 03:50:33 PM  
It's farking soup
Definitely top ten overrated food items.
 
2013-05-08 03:51:11 PM  

icam: Obligatory pho porn:  http://youtu.be/PsSiA-JHm0U

I've had outstanding pho and underwhelming pho, but never bad pho. I love when the broth has stronger cardamom, clove, and star anise flavors to it, and usually get tendon, tripe, and rare flank.


my favorite was the ox tail.

if no ox tail, then it's rare meat for me.
 
2013-05-08 03:51:41 PM  

ReverendJynxed: I never found a Pho I liked.

Saimin... that I could eat for days.


Oh man.  Love that stuff too.  It's definitely one of those "third country foods" that's pretty impossible for me to find, though.
 
2013-05-08 03:51:46 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Peki: Satan's Bunny Slippers: No one would care if you didn't bleat about it all the time like we're somehow supposed to care.No one cares.  Get a job. Fiancee doesn't go to school full time, gets a job.  Whatever.yes, yes, I'm sure you have all the reasons in the world why you can't manage that.just stop telling us how poor you are.  We don't care.

Then ignore me. Fark does give you that ability.

And I repeat it because I don't assume the same people are on the same threads all the time (unlike you I actually don't care who posts what, and take each post as if it were a completely new person unless there's a trail to follow--few exceptions to this are Tats, randomsja, SkinnyHead, Pocket Ninja, etc.), and the same stupid crap keeps getting repeated that proves people have no idea wtf is actually going on in the world around them.

I don't ignore anyone.  And if you don't care who posts what, then why are you replying to me?  Obviously, you do care. And you're looking for attention, so you got some. You also keep repeating the same stupid crap if even I have noticed.  I barely notice anyone, just the real irritants.

Have a nice day.


You obviously stopped reading after "who posts what" because I clarified at the end "unless there's a trail to follow." You were addressing me, I'm responding. And if you're worried about me being an AW, then why are you giving me attention? Shut up already.
 
2013-05-08 03:52:22 PM  

Gonz: i upped my meds-up yours: Cilantro is a test of the true foodie. You may have excellent taste, but if the C-receptor gene has passed you by, you can never be one of the elect.

I grow my own cilantro. And, since we don't use pesticides on our vegetable garden, you know what that means?
Homegrown organic cilantro, that's what.


It means it still tastes like soap. Organic, pesticide free soap.
 
2013-05-08 03:52:24 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I feel the same way about sushi. I'm considered a philistine because I farking HATE fishia


this.  I even tried vegetarian sushi, and to me it still tastes like shiat.  I just order something cooked if i ever find myself in a Japanese restaurant, no big deal, until my Judgy McJudgerson companions give me the evil eye because I won't share their 30 piece plate of raw whatever on a pat of rice.  *gag*

Can't say I ever had pho, but I am not a huge cilantro fan.  I don't mind it in moderation, but too much cilantro smells like a squished stinkbug to me.
 
2013-05-08 03:52:40 PM  

stevenboof: fsbilly: If someone ever says, "I really wanted to like it... I really did." to me, they are getting their goddamned throat ripped right farking out.

This is BS.  I really want to like onions and peppers since they are a big part of a lot of my favorite dishes, but I just don't like them.  I try them every couple of months, hoping that my tastes will change, but sadly they never do.  I just keep ordering my favorite dishes and picking them out of it.


Force-choking you as we speak.

I'm not talking about a dish. I mean when a Yelper opens a review with that. There are two clichés that just make me want to kick puppies... the I really wanted.... and  I love food shiat... there are others, but these are the biggest navel-gazing horse shiat openers...

As for onions and peppers... that's a bummer... all i can say is keep eating them as often as you can. I used to detest both of them. I think stuffed peppers might help your "problem"
 
2013-05-08 03:53:05 PM  

doubled99: It's farking soup
Definitely top ten overrated food items.


definitely top ten meals for about $5, though...

/ along side red beans and rice, gumbo, and...can't think of much else at that price in america that's both excellent and a full meal.
// except breakfast, i should take that back.
 
2013-05-08 03:53:30 PM  

MBooda: Gonz: I had pho for lunch today- yes, with added Sriracha- so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

//From Trader Joe's, too.

Wow, if it wasn't for the likelihood of getting mugged in TJ's parking lot, I'd pick me up some.



Where is this? In these parts, you mostly run the risk of being sideswiped by somone's handlebar moustache in a TJ parking lot.
 
2013-05-08 03:54:47 PM  

Via Infinito: hubiestubert: So get something you do like. It's food, it's not rocket science.

I grew up in the South, and I despise okra. It's like eating a slimy eyebrow, but if folks like it, more power to them. If you are so worried about what people think about your food likes and dislikes, maybe you shouldn't eat in public. Or maybe get over your damn selves.

OMG I laughed SO HARD. You're right. I'm from AL and have always hated boiled okra too.


Boiled okra, tomatoes, and rice is to die for! Seriously! You should try it again some time.

/snark
//but I do love me some okra, tomatoes, and rice.
 
2013-05-08 03:54:53 PM  

itazurakko: ReverendJynxed: I never found a Pho I liked.

Saimin... that I could eat for days.

Oh man.  Love that stuff too.  It's definitely one of those "third country foods" that's pretty impossible for me to find, though.


I'm glad we got things like Uwajimaya but we actually have a Saimin place in Kent... Saimin Says. Great people, lots of good food, good pricing. They also stock Hawaiian Sun drinks.
 
2013-05-08 03:55:21 PM  
It's funny that so many people get stuck on the author's dislike of pho and ignore the point where the reason for the dislike is more related to the crazy-ass pho cult that insists she's just ignorant when stating she doesn't like pho.

I get that, for some reason, pho is to hipster foodies as the iphone is to apple fanboys.  Both may be decent, but the cult surrounding them makes them much less appealing.
 
2013-05-08 03:55:54 PM  

mithras_angel: hubiestubert: I grew up in the South, and I despise okra. It's like eating a slimy eyebrow, but if folks like it, more power to them.

Preach on!

That crap is awful.  And I spent enough time near Irmo, SC to have their yearly okra festival forced on me.

No, I didn't go; I wasn't within 10 miles of it, but they boiled so much of the crap that, even that far away, you could smell it.


This. It's fit only to be included in gumbo, and then it gets so boiled down it might as well be celery.
 
2013-05-08 03:56:07 PM  

doubled99: It's farking soup
Definitely top ten overrated food items.


When people are discussing chili, do you say "it's just farking stew"?
 
2013-05-08 03:56:25 PM  

ELKAY: I always thought NOLA had tons of pho because of the large Vietnamese population, especially on the west bank and in the east.

Now I'm finding out it's all over the country. Is this a new fad?

By the way I love pho but not as much as a Vietnamese po boy (banh mi)


New Orleans has Ya Ka Mein.
 
2013-05-08 03:56:40 PM  

fsbilly: Force-choking you as we speak.

I'm not talking about a dish. I mean when a Yelper opens a review with that. There are two clichés that just make me want to kick puppies... the I really wanted.... and I love food shiat... there are others, but these are the biggest navel-gazing horse shiat openers...

As for onions and peppers... that's a bummer... all i can say is keep eating them as often as you can. I used to detest both of them. I think stuffed peppers might help your "problem"


My bad, I really don't read yelp, so I don't know how their reviews are.  I have found that if I sweat onions, I can eat them in a dish pretty easily.  I'm hoping that soon, I'll be able to do the same with green peppers.
 
2013-05-08 03:57:17 PM  
I wouldn't have thought there'd be so much about pho to discuss. Maybe an expert, call him Pho Ken, could do a Q&A column about it. You'd send in your Pho Qs, and you'd get back a Pho Ken A.
 
2013-05-08 03:57:18 PM  

FrancoFile: It's not real pho unless it's made by someone who had to escape from South Vietnam after the fall of Saigon.

One of the great things about living in Northern VA in the 90s was great pho in every neighborhood.


Something to this.  My wife is from Laos (close enough! sshh....I didn't say that) and makes awesome Pho.  There are local Pho places that are packed...with "Americans"...that she says aren't any good, the pho places, not the Amereicans.  I have been to busy Thai places that were packed....with "Americans"....that weren't particularly good, yet the place is packed.  Maybe someone who thinks Pho is no good needs to find a place that is packed with southeast Asians just to be sure they are getting the good stuff.  But if you don't like the ingredients, it isn't going to matter.  Another suggestion is to try combination seafood Pho if all you previously had was beef, or visa versa.  Then again, sometimes people just want a hamburger....
 
2013-05-08 03:58:40 PM  

Rik01: Don't forget now, the 'new yuppies' consider it a wonderful ritual to cook up the placenta of their new born child and dine on it with fine wines and close friends. After all, it's natural since animals do it.


Wait, they serve it to others?  I thought women consumed it themselves to regain the lost nutrients from the large organ they developed and then expelled.  That's already on my list of "I understand but... uhhh." Serving it to others, though?  NO.

Maud Dib: "She", and she looks like she enjoys Big Macs.


Damn, I told myself I should have checked but didn't.

Deucednuisance: Third bite was worse, a bigger, damper hunk of fat that oozed gelid pus-like fluid. I gagged. I pulled it out of my mouth, tore the sandwich open, and every slice of pork in it was the same: post-it note-sized slabs of thick fat with a strand or two of meat only about as wide as a #2 pencil, the red jambon was only marginally better. I tossed it in the trash.


Yeah: f*ck that noise.  Quality control is everyone's business!
 
2013-05-08 04:00:06 PM  

EViLTeW: Both may be decent, but the cult surrounding them makes them much less appealing.


I feel the same way about the UofM Wolverines and Detroit Red Wings.  Now that the Tigers are taking over, the Wings fans are switching over to them and leaving the Wings, which is cool.
 
2013-05-08 04:00:06 PM  
He could have just saved a lot of time and trouble by simply writing, "I don't like Pho."  I didn't like Pho the first time I tried it.  That was from a supposedly great place in San Francisco.  However, in more recent years, I found a fantastic place nearer my home and absolutely love the stuff.
 
2013-05-08 04:00:15 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I feel the same way about sushi. I'm considered a philistine because I farking HATE fish!


I can barely tolerate fish in general but like sushi.

Go figure.
 
2013-05-08 04:00:36 PM  
Business idea: Mr. T themed restaurant called "I Pity The Pho"
 
2013-05-08 04:00:55 PM  
Eh, pho is okay. I did hate it for the longest time though. I was trying Vietnamese food the first time, and I was having a craving for red meat. So I'm looking over the menu and I see something that was translated to 'supreme beef pho'. My thought was 'oh, that must mean it has a lot of beef in it!' and ordered it to go.

I knew I'd done something wrong when I got home and opened my soup, and it was looking back at me.

supreme beef meant 'the WHOLE COW' apparently...
 
2013-05-08 04:00:58 PM  
I'm in Hawaii. It's 2 hours until lunch. We have a really good pho place right around the corner. I know what I'm having for lunch today. (the bun, pronounced 'boon', is really good too)
 
2013-05-08 04:01:20 PM  

factoryconnection: Wait, they serve it to others?  I thought women consumed it themselves to regain the lost nutrients from the large organ they developed and then expelled.  That's already on my list of "I understand but... uhhh." Serving it to others, though?  NO.


Ooh yeah, I'd draw a line there too. Family has a history of PPD/PPP, so we're considering the placenta route. But I'd never offer it to someone else unless they were curious.

factoryconnection: Deucednuisance: Third bite was worse, a bigger, damper hunk of fat that oozed gelid pus-like fluid. I gagged. I pulled it out of my mouth, tore the sandwich open, and every slice of pork in it was the same: post-it note-sized slabs of thick fat with a strand or two of meat only about as wide as a #2 pencil, the red jambon was only marginally better. I tossed it in the trash.Yeah: f*ck that noise.  Quality control is everyone's business!


This!
 
2013-05-08 04:01:53 PM  
Pho is my 2nd favorite soup behind Tom Kha.  I like both with tofu rather than meat since the meat never ends up tasting all that good.
 
2013-05-08 04:02:58 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Love pho.

Only recently found out from a Vietnamese friend that I've been mispronouncing it for 20 years.

The cedilla over the "o" and the little tail on the "o" makes it a very soft sound.  I still don't think I'm getting it properly, but as close as my Caucasian mouth can get it's not "fo" (rhyming with "go") but rather more like "fhaa"


cut the ck off of the f-word and you've got it nailed.
 
2013-05-08 04:03:12 PM  

Calmamity: I can see being ambivalent about pho, but getting yourself so worked up that you have to write an opinion column about how much you hate pho? That kind of just makes you a contrarian twat.


You missed the point; The article is not about how much he hates Pho, its about how much he hates the people who have built a religion around it and simply won't shut up about it.
 
2013-05-08 04:03:24 PM  
There was  a Vietnamese place near where I worked that made a delicious pho.

It is the broth, with all the spices, that makes it heavenly.   I would spend a lot of time admiring the aroma.   Since they closed, I have had to try some other places.   None of them have the aroma of the old one.  They just don't taste as good.

I did find one place in downtown Boise that came close though.   But as a rule, I am not going to travel 70 miles to eat soup.
 
2013-05-08 04:05:06 PM  

PawisBetlog: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Love pho.

Only recently found out from a Vietnamese friend that I've been mispronouncing it for 20 years.

The cedilla over the "o" and the little tail on the "o" makes it a very soft sound.  I still don't think I'm getting it properly, but as close as my Caucasian mouth can get it's not "fo" (rhyming with "go") but rather more like "fhaa"

cut the ck off of the f-word and you've got it nailed.


t1.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-08 04:05:39 PM  
Had Bún thịt nướng from my friend's family restaurant for lunch today.  It's better than Pho, unless I am sick or hung over.  Then Pho > Bún thịt nướng.
 
2013-05-08 04:06:33 PM  
Weird. 200 replies and no recipes or links.

WTF is wrong with you people?
 
2013-05-08 04:06:43 PM  
Lucky  best pho place in Atlanta!  They really do have the best Goi Cuon around, for realz.

o2.aolcdn.com
 
2013-05-08 04:07:24 PM  
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-08 04:08:05 PM  

GleeUnit: I actually have had a different experience.  Yeah, pho is really popular and ubiquitous in Seattle, so you're going to have it eventually whether you want to try it or not.  My first couple times I didn't exactly dislike it, but I didn't see what all of the fuss is about.  Once you get the hang of how much of the sauces and whatnot you add though... It's actually really good.  Maybe it's an acquired taste thing.

Maybe I'm just desperately trying to fit in with a foodie culture I don't fully understand by forcing myself to like what everyone else seems to like, without realizing that nobody actually likes pho and everybody in this city is just trying to impress each other with their foodie-ness.

/Nah, pho is actually really good.  Might get it for lunch actually.



Hipsters pretending to be Vietnamese?  It's more likely than you think.
 
2013-05-08 04:08:30 PM  

EViLTeW: It's funny that so many people get stuck on the author's dislike of pho and ignore the point where the reason for the dislike is more related to the crazy-ass pho cult that insists she's just ignorant when stating she doesn't like pho.

I get that, for some reason, pho is to hipster foodies as the iphone is to apple fanboys.  Both may be decent, but the cult surrounding them makes them much less appealing.


Personally I haven't run into the pho cult, but I am definitely not a fan of the "foodie" set. "oh, you're ordering THAT? You should totally try one of these other 4 things that are also really good here" "last time I came here the chef made it for me special" "you're ordering the same thing you got last time??? you really should have this other thing" "oh can I try part of your order?" "wow this [whatever] is outstanding today, it's better than usual, here you HAVE to try this!" or worse yet "oh yeah this is pretty good but it's nothing compared to [restaurant in some other city] you really need to eat there, the chef is really awesome" etc etc etc and then of course taking photos of his lunch.

Just EAT IT already and shut up!!
 
2013-05-08 04:09:08 PM  
white people problems.
that said
seattle has a mad foodie-hipster scene going
and they follow each other like ducklings for whatever the latest zeitgeist is
pho will become something else soon, and then that will be irritating
 
2013-05-08 04:09:19 PM  

douchebag/hater: Weird. 200 replies and no recipes or links.

WTF is wrong with you people?


Here's the basic recipe:

Go to a butcher and ask for the stuff he would normally toss in the garbage.
Boil this crap for 2 to 4 hours.
Toss in noodles.
Throw it all away and go out for a Five Guys burger or some currie.
 
2013-05-08 04:09:26 PM  
After barfing / pooping my guts out at a hotel in Ho Chi Minh City, where did I go?

I went to the KFC and got some chicken. (I assume.)

After three weeks of "butterfish" and rice, I wanted some dang-nasty battered god-damn cheekan.

I like pho, but... there are times where KFC actually becomes comfort food.
 
2013-05-08 04:09:33 PM  
I could have come into this thread and enthused about how much I like pho and Viet food and how everyone's tastes are different, live and let live and all that happy crap, but then I read this:

Peki: /CSS: Had some trouble ordering a "Baja Chicken Chalupa" from a Toxic Smell in Arkansas once. I placed my order (Baha Chicken. . ), and he goes, "Huh?? Oh, you mean with Bayjuh sauce? Okay!"


And it gave me a sad.  I mean, how do you not know how to pronounce Baja in this day and age?
 
2013-05-08 04:09:39 PM  
Bun thit nuong >> pho.
 
2013-05-08 04:10:03 PM  

moothemagiccow: KFC makes terrible fried chicken


I will kill you.
 
2013-05-08 04:11:05 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Love pho.

Only recently found out from a Vietnamese friend that I've been mispronouncing it for 20 years.

The cedilla over the "o" and the little tail on the "o" makes it a very soft sound.  I still don't think I'm getting it properly, but as close as my Caucasian mouth can get it's not "fo" (rhyming with "go") but rather more like "fhaa"


Just phở-bulous
 
2013-05-08 04:11:49 PM  
I came close to madness trying to find it here in the States, but they just can't get the spices right!
 
2013-05-08 04:11:59 PM  

OgreMagi: douchebag/hater: Weird. 200 replies and no recipes or links.

WTF is wrong with you people?

Here's the basic recipe:

Go to a butcher and ask for the stuff he would normally toss in the garbage.
Boil this crap for 2 to 4 hours.
Toss in noodles.
Throw it all away and go out for a Five Guys burger or some currie.


You forgot the fish juice
 
2013-05-08 04:12:27 PM  

fsbilly: Sounds like 99% or all yelpers.

If someone ever says, "I really  wanted to like it... I really did." to me, they are getting their goddamned throat ripped right farking out.

"I really love food." Really? fark YOU!


AMEN!

Also, on the topic of Okra.  I too grew up in the south, never understood or appreciated boiled, fresh or pickled okra.  Totally loved cornmeal fried okra coontil nearly crispy). Having to learn to eat and cook on a southern diet,  it is a wonder my heart didn't stop by the age of 12.
 
2013-05-08 04:12:51 PM  

douchebag/hater: I can barely tolerate fish in general but like sushi.

Go figure.


I can't stand sauerkraut but I like kimchi.  Takes all kinds I guess.
 
2013-05-08 04:13:34 PM  

tortilla burger: Pho is not a hipster food. It's very much a working man type of food; it's made with relatively common ingredients, there's little in the way of fancy cooking methods or obscure preparations. And pho is exactly the type of thing you'd eat when you're hung over and need something to pick you up. It really doesn't fit the profile of a hipster/foodie favorite


A lot of foods that have been trendy and popular were originally working class foods. A foodie food is just something that becomes fashionable for whatever random reason that showed up that day. It doesn't have to come from expensive ingredients or a noble background. Logic does not apply to fads.
 
2013-05-08 04:13:56 PM  
The wife and I will get some pho on occasion.  She loves it, I'll eat it.  Not a big fan of the meatballs they sometimes make it with, but some straight beef or shrimp pho can be really good.   One of our buddies used to be married to a little Cambodian girl that would come over and make it for us sometimes. Unfortunately, there's no where in my town to get some.  We have to drive an hour to the nearest Pho Hao.
 
2013-05-08 04:14:14 PM  

douchebag/hater: ecmoRandomNumbers: I feel the same way about sushi. I'm considered a philistine because I farking HATE fish!

I can barely tolerate fish in general but like sushi.

Go figure.


I'm really starting to second guess my decision to have burritos and sushi for lunch today. but it sure seemed like a good plan at the time.
 
2013-05-08 04:14:26 PM  
Pho is great.  But yeah, there's lots of heinously bad pho places. And Calgary is truly blessed to have so many good pho places (but holy shiat, there's lots of bad ones too).  And I've never had good pho in the LA area, for whatever reason.

Also Korean soondubu.
 
2013-05-08 04:14:38 PM  

DeathCipris: Rik01: Elephants have been known to dig in each others arses for a dollop of feces, which they then eat.

[daisybrand.com image 306x126]
Dollop of Daisy will do ya!

On a different note, spicy foods are an addiction (not in the literal sense). The act of eating it and suffering causes an endorphin release and people build tolerances over time. I, for one, have gone a little too heavy handed with the Sriracha before...


One might argue that spicy foods are a literal addiction.  My dad got me started on Tabasco and crackers back when I was a little kid.  After 35 years of "chasing the dragon", Tabasco just tastes like vinegar anymore.  I go through a bottle of Uncle Jesters Spontaneous Combustion every couple of weeks.
 
2013-05-08 04:15:17 PM  

factoryconnection: Yeah, considering that most pho places also have banh mi, and if you don't like banh mi I don't know what you're looking for in life.


time to finally try me some banh mi
 
2013-05-08 04:15:40 PM  
I grew up in the south and I don't eat eggs, gravy, mayo, cornbread dressing, casseroles or grits.  Get over it and shut up, no one really cares.
 
2013-05-08 04:15:56 PM  
Never heard of it. Isn't an oriental soup made of noodles and broth called Ramen?
 
2013-05-08 04:16:20 PM  
It's time to face the music, Seattleites. Pho is awful. Can we please stop pretending it isn't?

Meh. As many have said, there's no accounting for personal taste. We can stipulate that everyone's are different - no sense in discussing that any further. This chump isn't talking about personal taste - he's making an absolute judgement about something that he doesn't care for yet millions of other people absolutely love. So, he's just farking wrong - next question.

And it's not a foodie food. It's peasant fare and I quite enjoy it.
 
2013-05-08 04:16:54 PM  

fiddlehead: Bun thit nuong >> pho.


Here in oregon, We actually have people from vietnam who live here. It is FANTASTIC. Thinly slice pork which is perfectly seasoned. Nuoc mam (fish sauce) over all of it, is just plain delicious.

So the foodie who wrote this is a moron.
 
2013-05-08 04:18:50 PM  
farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2013-05-08 04:20:07 PM  

GameSprocket: Never heard of it. Isn't an oriental soup made of noodles and broth called Ramen?


Different broth, different noodles, different spices.

That's kind of like saying, "isn't Beef Vegetable soup the same as Beef Noodle soup?"
 
2013-05-08 04:20:12 PM  
Pho is yummy. I don't love it as much as many people do but whatever, not going to go nuts about other people who love it. Who cares if people like something your not into?
 
2013-05-08 04:20:42 PM  

dabbletech: From Wiki: The broth for beef phở is generally made by simmering beef bones, oxtails, flank steak, charred onion, charred ginger and spices. For a more intense flavor, the bones may still have beef on them. Chicken bones also work and produce a similar broth. Seasonings can include Saigon cinnamon or other kinds of cinnamon as alternatives (may use stick or powder), star anise, roasted ginger, roasted onion, black cardamom, coriander seed, fennel seed, and clove. The broth takes several hours to make.[13][14] For chicken phở, only the meat and bones of the chicken are used in place of beef and beef bone. The remaining spices remain the same, but the charred ginger can be omitted, since its function in beef phở is to get rid of the "cow's smell"

Lovely.


You know how I know you've never made stock?
 
2013-05-08 04:20:45 PM  

EViLTeW: It's funny that so many people get stuck on the author's dislike of pho and ignore the point where the reason for the dislike is more related to the crazy-ass pho cult that insists she's just ignorant when stating she doesn't like pho.

I get that, for some reason, pho is to hipster foodies as the iphone is to apple fanboys.  Both may be decent, but the cult surrounding them makes them much less appealing.


I guess it depends where you are from,  There's just a big asian population here and it's a good food i happen to like.  I've never heard this related to 'hipsters' or anyone that talks about Pho like that until I read this article.

Of course i find it really shocking that people will find food less appealing because of other people. I like or dislike something because of my own opinion,  Bizarre that you would even consider other people when thinking about if you find that food appealing.
 
2013-05-08 04:21:22 PM  
Pho 88 in North Chelmsford, MA. Best I've ever had. God I'd kill for a bowl right now.
 
2013-05-08 04:21:58 PM  
I think this is the beginning of the backswing of the Pho Cult Pendulum.
 
2013-05-08 04:23:03 PM  

royone: I think this is the beginning of the backswing of the Pho Cult Pendulum.


We are just on FARK where it's cool to hate things.  Basically internet hipsters complaining about hipsters.
 
2013-05-08 04:23:05 PM  

GameSprocket: Never heard of it. Isn't an oriental soup made of noodles and broth called Ramen?


Yeah and isn't baked Penni the same thing as Speghetti? Hurrr

They are very different in fact probably even more different then thinking all pasta dishes are the same.
 
2013-05-08 04:24:15 PM  

Calmamity: I can see being ambivalent about pho, but getting yourself so worked up that you have to write an opinion column about how much you hate pho? That kind of just makes you a contrarian twat.

Shut up and make yourself a sammich.


You missed the point.  The article isn't about how he dislikes it, it is about the reaction other assholes have when they find out he doesn't like it.  Kind of like on Fark when someone gives an opinion without understanding what they are talking about.
 
2013-05-08 04:24:47 PM  
viscountalpha:

Here in oregon, We actually have people from vietnam who live here.

What is this, some sort of local immigrant snobbery?  News Flash!  Many Vietnamese fled their country when it was experiencing a gotdamn civil war.  They settled all over the nation.  According to wiki, Oregon didn't even make the short list of states with the most refugees.

More than sixty percent of Vietnamese Americans reside in the states of California, Texas, Washington, Florida and Virginia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_American
 
2013-05-08 04:24:59 PM  
For all you anti-hipster food people luckily you don't know about Bahn-mi yet!!!
 
2013-05-08 04:25:26 PM  
Bun Cha Gio FTW!
 
2013-05-08 04:25:37 PM  

Russky: royone: I think this is the beginning of the backswing of the Pho Cult Pendulum.

We are just on FARK where it's cool to hate things.  Basically internet hipsters complaining about hipsters.


How do you feel about puns?
 
2013-05-08 04:25:45 PM  
It really does matter where you get it. There's a place (or was a few years ago) on University Avenue in Seattle that does an amazing job, Probably because it's the only thing on the menu. I tried some in Berkeley that was wasn't so good, but They delivered until four am. The cool thing about that place was that they delivered all sorts of stoner/drunk food untill 4am. They even used to deliver cigarettes. If you live in Berkeley you should check it out:   https://www.latenightoption.com/#home
 
2013-05-08 04:25:48 PM  

namatad: factoryconnection: Yeah, considering that most pho places also have banh mi, and if you don't like banh mi I don't know what you're looking for in life.

time to finally try me some banh mi


Good banh mi is awesome.  Bad banh mi is direct punishment from hell.
 
2013-05-08 04:27:08 PM  

noitsnot: indeebud: hubiestubert: So get something you do like. It's food, it's not rocket science.

I grew up in the South, and I despise okra. It's like eating a slimy eyebrow, but if folks like it, more power to them. If you are so worried about what people think about your food likes and dislikes, maybe you shouldn't eat in public. Or maybe get over your damn selves.

LMAO!!  The most perfect description of okra, EVER.

Bhindi Masala - Okra Curry - no slime


I've never tried the masala but looking at a recipe it looks like something I'd try.  Frying okra is hands down the only way to eliminate the sliminess and the bhindi masala recipe calls for it to be stir fried.   I'll give it a shot.  Thanks!
 
2013-05-08 04:27:23 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org I'll take Bahn-mi over Pho any day.
 
2013-05-08 04:27:51 PM  
I can't eat the stuff - my lungs get all congested and itchy and then I have to pho cough.
 
2013-05-08 04:27:56 PM  
Man, who woke up and pissed in this guys bowl of soup?

Pho is awsome, especially when it's rainy and cold.  How could you live in Seattle and not love it, is the question.

You've got to go to the Vietnamese places where there are viet people eating, or you probably getting the cheap stuff.

I like the pho with rare beef on the side; drop it in the hot broth for a few seconds; scoop it up with the rice noodle and vegatables already in the bowl.  But really it's good with chicken, Tofu, or whatever meat you like.

Very good.

"It's time to face the music, Seattleites. Pho is awful. Can we please stop pretending it isn't?"

- Stop liking things I don't like!
 
2013-05-08 04:28:05 PM  
white people problems.
that said
seattle has a mad foodie-hipster scene going
and they follow each other like ducklings for whatever the latest zeitgeist is
pho will become something else soon, and then that will be irritating



True dat
 
2013-05-08 04:29:15 PM  

Ishkur: There is a famous Vietnamese place in Vancouver called:

PHO BICH NGA

Say that phonetically.


You can't fool me: "that".
 
2013-05-08 04:29:20 PM  

EvilEgg: brap: That's great, um, maybe you should order something else.  Like something you enjoy.   *ten minutes of awkward silence*

What do you want a gold star sticker?

I think he wants people to shut the pho up


WTP?!
 
2013-05-08 04:30:35 PM  
royone:

How do you feel about puns?


Any pun you can walk away from is a good pun?
 
2013-05-08 04:30:49 PM  
Bun Bo Xao Ot for me please... At some places you need to ask if you want cilantro and bean sprouts.  Add pepper sauce until it is really then dump the fish sauce on and stir it all up before the first bite.  The places that serve Pho usually have Bun also and it is, in my opinion, consistantly better.
 
2013-05-08 04:30:53 PM  
I'll open my own restaurant:

Fee Fee Fi Fi Pho Pho Yum
 
2013-05-08 04:31:13 PM  

factoryconnection: Calmamity: I can see being ambivalent about pho, but getting yourself so worked up that you have to write an opinion column about how much you hate pho? That kind of just makes you a contrarian twat.

Shut up and make yourself a sammich.

To be fair to the author, people can go overboard when it comes to food trends.  He's no doubt, being from Seattle where Pho is super-hot for the last several years, constantly pinged on about how strange it is that he doesn't like it.  Plus, since the Seattle Times no doubt has a large chunk of readership that falls into the food hipster category, this type of article is bound to generate a lot of clicks and comments.


Certainly! There's a ridiculous variety around Everett, ranging from What the Pho to Yummy Deli on Evergreen and Casino. And the quote: "Disowning pho is like telling a vegan how much you love KFC" is a perfect example of two things you can do to bewilder people in Seattle.
 
2013-05-08 04:31:27 PM  

moothemagiccow: KFC makes terrible fried chicken


Which is why I eat at Popeye's...
 
2013-05-08 04:32:24 PM  
Russky: ...
Of course i find it really shocking that people will find food less appealing because of other people. I like or dislike something because of my own opinion,  Bizarre that you would even consider other people when thinking about if you find that food appealing.

Come visit me and I will figuratively shove Pho down your throat for a couple weeks and you might understand that shocking phenomenon.

I find it shocking that you don't understand that being (figuratively) forced to do something makes it much less pleasant.  I heard a thing a while back that basically says hell is being made to do the thing you most love all day every day for eternity.
 
2013-05-08 04:32:26 PM  
Pho is OK, but I'm not really a fanboi. There are plenty of Vietnamese dishes I'd rather eat, really.

I wish I was back in Hanoi right now, in fact. You can get an amazing plate of bun bo xao, bun-cha or whatever you want, plus a steaming pile of nem and a tall, cold beer... and pay like $3 or $4 for more deliciousness than you could possibly eat on your hungriest day.
 
2013-05-08 04:32:31 PM  
Man if he hates Pho that much I hope he never tries Bun Bo Hue. Probably kill him.
 
2013-05-08 04:32:44 PM  
img.fae.ro
 
2013-05-08 04:32:47 PM  
Pho sucks, it's for the tards who were actually stupid enough to eat ramen and like it.

www.xuvn.com

Banh cuon is the food of the gods.  If you're ever in The OC go to little Saigon and get yourself some.  It's like a super good and flavorful Vietnamese enchilada.
 
2013-05-08 04:32:50 PM  
FrancoFile:

dabbletech: From Wiki: The broth for beef phở is generally made by simmering beef bones, oxtails, flank steak, charred onion, charred ginger and spices. For a more intense flavor, the bones may still have beef on them. Chicken bones also work and produce a similar broth. Seasonings can include Saigon cinnamon or other kinds of cinnamon as alternatives (may use stick or powder), star anise, roasted ginger, roasted onion, black cardamom, coriander seed, fennel seed, and clove. The broth takes several hours to make.[13][14] For chicken phở, only the meat and bones of the chicken are used in place of beef and beef bone. The remaining spices remain the same, but the charred ginger can be omitted, since its function in beef phở is to get rid of the "cow's smell"

Lovely.

You know how I know you've never made stock?


Having a roast chicken carcass burbling away downstairs as I write... Kick, replies...

/ enjoying the rosemary-chickeney smell every time I go downstairs.
 
2013-05-08 04:35:38 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: Man, who woke up and pissed in this guys bowl of soup?

Pho is awsome, especially when it's rainy and cold.  How could you live in Seattle and not love it, is the question.

You've got to go to the Vietnamese places where there are viet people eating, or you probably getting the cheap stuff.

I like the pho with rare beef on the side; drop it in the hot broth for a few seconds; scoop it up with the rice noodle and vegatables already in the bowl.  But really it's good with chicken, Tofu, or whatever meat you like.

Very good.

"It's time to face the music, Seattleites. Pho is awful. Can we please stop pretending it isn't?"

- Stop liking things I don't like!


Lol, are you being ironic?
 
2013-05-08 04:36:36 PM  

Rik01: The guy has a right to his opinion.

I've had some awful food that folks rave about as if it's Gods gift to humanity and been around long enough to understand that people will eat dirt and wax all poetic about it.

I don't care if it takes three days to make that stinky, lumpy, spicy main course. It sucks, IMO, and I think you're an idiot for eating it.

Like Baloot. The Asian delicacy found mainly around Taiwan consisting of fetal ducks brought nearly to full term, then scalded to death in the shell. People who love that abomination like crunching on the little beaks, feathers and feet and slurping down the amniotic fluid they were steamed in.

I know folks who like Limburger Cheese and the foul smell of that stuff makes me wonder what desperate soul actually ate it in the first place instead of tossing it in the nearest volcano.

Then again, folks love Pizza Hut food. I don't consider Pizza Hut Pizza to be actually pizza and haven't yet figured out what the meat pellets are and I'm not actually sure if it's food..

I'm also a bit weary of 'spicy' foods. I don't like foods that might taste good, but you can't tell because the first bite sears the skin off your tongue, melts the enamel on your teeth, turns your stomach into a knotted ball of acid and then you get to brag about how, much later, it peeled the first layer of tissue off your anus when disposing of it.

I had a thing of Red Beans and Rice the other day. One of those heat and eat servings. Nowhere did it mention that the stuff was spicy. The first bite burned out my taste buds, stripped the skin from my mouth, cleaned out my sinuses, seared all of the tarter from my teeth and dumped a volcano-like portion into my stomach.

What little taste I got was good -- it's just that not being a masochist, I didn't figure it was worthwhile being in agony to continue eating it.

I've watched big, burly guys wolf down stuff buried in hot sauce, proclaiming how great it is as their faces turned red, they burst out in rivers of sweat, guzzled beer by the keg, their blood pressure soared and they produced a grin more like a death spasm to show others how manly they were.

Eskimos love killed, ungutted, small birds crammed in the fat lined skin of a seal and buried for a year in the frozen dirt to 'marinate'. They munch the buggers down feathers and all and you don't want to be down wind when they do.

Some of the best oriental soups I've had probably took the chef 30 minutes to make 10 gallons. The overall flavor was wonderful, the heat of the spices NOT designed to over power everything else and the separate ingredients all had just the right flavor and texture.

Don't forget now, the 'new yuppies' consider it a wonderful ritual to cook up the placenta of their new born child and dine on it with fine wines and close friends. After all, it's natural since animals do it.
Many birds and dogs eat the feces of their young or even their own and THAT'S natural also, but I ain't gonna do it. Elephants have been known to dig in each others arses for a dollop of feces, which they then eat.

Natural also but I prefer not to try it.

Then there's bird spit soup.

I have eaten bulls balls and found them remarkably bland, curiously unsatisfying in texture and the sauce made the meal. I'm not going to run out and buy a batch.

I've had those $5.00 coffees from Starbucks and while good, I actually had better from Mac Donalds for $2.00. A few old time diners (greasy spoon versions) gave me cups of coffee that I'd fight for and slapped down a plate of eggs I'd consider close to the food of the gods.

Usually I figure if the Yuppies and Hipsters like it, I'm probably not going to.

I don't care if thousands rave about a certain food. If it doesn't taste good to me, I aint gonna eat it and I aint gonna promote it.

I've tried some ethnic foods from my ancestry that my relatives raved about and decided they had their taste buds in their arses. Especially home made, old time breads and pastries. (Some of my ancestors never heard of producing a loaf of bread that didn't weigh a ton.)

So, I applaud the author for his candidness. From reading the remarks on the site, almost no one else did.


Welcome to my favorites list. I could listen to you ramble about food opinions all day- you're very entertaining.

I like pho, but I also like many MANY other dishes. It's tasty but not the best thing on the planet (which if you're wondering is the curry-pineapple fried rice with cashews at Chada Thai in midtown Sacramento on 16th st- this stuff is amazing). I crave it occasionally because it's salty and noodley and awesome, provided the broth is good and they have quality fish sauce.

I also don't get the need to write a column about the dislike for it though. I despise peanut butter but you don't see me calling NBC news about it.
 
2013-05-08 04:36:39 PM  
Begun, the pho wars have.....
 
2013-05-08 04:39:44 PM  

IRQ12: EdNortonsTwin: Man, who woke up and pissed in this guys bowl of soup?

Pho is awsome, especially when it's rainy and cold.  How could you live in Seattle and not love it, is the question.

You've got to go to the Vietnamese places where there are viet people eating, or you probably getting the cheap stuff.

I like the pho with rare beef on the side; drop it in the hot broth for a few seconds; scoop it up with the rice noodle and vegatables already in the bowl.  But really it's good with chicken, Tofu, or whatever meat you like.

Very good.

"It's time to face the music, Seattleites. Pho is awful. Can we please stop pretending it isn't?"

- Stop liking things I don't like!

Lol, are you being ironic?


Oh, did I demand you like it?
 
2013-05-08 04:40:24 PM  
There goes my plan to open an artisanal food truck called Foucault's Pho Cult.
 
2013-05-08 04:40:26 PM  
Photoshop these matadors in training
 
2013-05-08 04:41:36 PM  
onelittleworld.zenfolio.com

This place was less than 100 yards from the front door of my hotel in Hanoi. It served me, my wife and my daughter the best dirt-cheap lunch that any of us has ever had.

Viet food porn:
http://onelittleworld.zenfolio.com/p578530885
 
2013-05-08 04:41:53 PM  
It's the Tim Tebow of food
 
2013-05-08 04:43:18 PM  
fark off. Thai basil is awesome.
 
2013-05-08 04:45:25 PM  
So is pho some sort of new discovery for Seattle?
 
2013-05-08 04:46:05 PM  
Sick of trendy food? I am!
 
2013-05-08 04:46:53 PM  
Can't say I've ever had it.

Doesn't sound like I'm missing anything. I'll stick to Thai green curries, Vindaloos, Singapore chow mein and a host of other stuff which tastes of things.

/one taste bud left
 
2013-05-08 04:47:08 PM  

ivan: MBooda: Gonz: I had pho for lunch today- yes, with added Sriracha- so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

//From Trader Joe's, too.

Wow, if it wasn't for the likelihood of getting mugged in TJ's parking lot, I'd pick me up some.


Where is this? In these parts, you mostly run the risk of being sideswiped by somone's handlebar moustache in a TJ parking lot.




Maybe "mugged" was for the petrulli stinking hippies that forcefully shove their way in front of you and want you to sign their petition to help save vegetarian lesbian whales. Here in LA anyway...
 
2013-05-08 04:48:16 PM  

Apos: Pho real, subby?


You just committed a pho pas.
/I know that's not how it's pronounced, but I want to make a bad pun.
 
2013-05-08 04:51:55 PM  

rev. dave: Pho is my 2nd favorite soup behind Tom Kha.  I like both with tofu rather than meat since the meat never ends up tasting all that good.


Pho and Tom Kha are delicious, but Mool Naeng Myun is tops.
 
2013-05-08 04:52:18 PM  

Deucednuisance: I don't know pho, but if you're ever in DC this soup is the BOMB:

[www.malaysiakopitiam.com image 713x474]

Vegetable Curry Laksa from Malaysia Kopetiam

Try it, you'll like it!


I pass by that place daily. I'll have to stop in one day. Looks awesome.
 
2013-05-08 04:52:50 PM  
DC's own Zombie Pho!

foodtruckfiesta.com
 
2013-05-08 04:53:13 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: IRQ12: EdNortonsTwin: Man, who woke up and pissed in this guys bowl of soup?

Pho is awsome, especially when it's rainy and cold.  How could you live in Seattle and not love it, is the question.

You've got to go to the Vietnamese places where there are viet people eating, or you probably getting the cheap stuff.

I like the pho with rare beef on the side; drop it in the hot broth for a few seconds; scoop it up with the rice noodle and vegatables already in the bowl.  But really it's good with chicken, Tofu, or whatever meat you like.

Very good.

"It's time to face the music, Seattleites. Pho is awful. Can we please stop pretending it isn't?"

- Stop liking things I don't like!

Lol, are you being ironic?

Oh, did I demand you like it?


No, but you're basically paraphrasing what the article is saying about people acting like disliking Pho is some sort of defect that can be remedied by eating it at better places.

Whether you like it or not, it's not some miracle food, it's broth with some other stuff thrown in to taste.  The whole article is about people doing exactly what you are doing.
 
2013-05-08 04:54:30 PM  
Pho is my favorite food and I live in rural Minnesota where it's not commonly known.  I have to drive 35 minutes to get a mediocre bowl and an hour to get a great bowl.  Would love to learn to make it well myself but my attempts have been unsatisfactory.

/Didn't know it was big anywhere but now I want to move to Seattle.
//To the people who try to correct my pronunciation I say, "Pho-Q, K?"
 
2013-05-08 04:54:41 PM  

Corvus: [upload.wikimedia.org image 800x600] I'll take Bahn-mi over Pho any day.


ok
1) that looks like HEAVEN
2) what is that called and how do I order it? details for the bahn-mi impaired please !!
 
2013-05-08 04:54:50 PM  
Sounds like the author of the opinion piece has a bit of a phobia.
 
2013-05-08 04:55:25 PM  
There's a viet place called Brodards in Garden Grove, OC, California.  They make some incredible spiring rolls (pork or shrimp paste) with some tastey mango sauce.  Drop a bit of chilli paste in in the sauce and your all set.  Be prepared to be hooked for life.

Warning, it's 98% Vietnamese people there, so there may not be any hipsters to mock.  Not sure if that's a deal breaker for some of you.
 
2013-05-08 04:55:32 PM  

stevenboof: I really don't read yelp


This is a good thing.
 
2013-05-08 04:56:21 PM  

Tax Boy: DC's own Zombie Pho!

[foodtruckfiesta.com image 512x496]


Have you seen the Pho Wheels truck?

craftmobilefoodunits.com
 
2013-05-08 04:59:54 PM  

museamused: Pho is my favorite food and I live in rural Minnesota where it's not commonly known.  I have to drive 35 minutes to get a mediocre bowl and an hour to get a great bowl.  Would love to learn to make it well myself but my attempts have been unsatisfactory.

/Didn't know it was big anywhere but now I want to move to Seattle.
//To the people who try to correct my pronunciation I say, "Pho-Q, K?"


My wife can do a decent bowl of Pho.  If you have an Asian market around where you live, go in there and tell the people what you're doing.  The one here, the guys are really helpful.  They told us what to get(beef paste, fish oil, etc), how much to put in, how long to boil it, all that stuff.  It's pretty damn close to what I've had in restaurants.
 
2013-05-08 05:00:27 PM  

Shazam999: Pho is great.  But yeah, there's lots of heinously bad pho places. And Calgary is truly blessed to have so many good pho places (but holy shiat, there's lots of bad ones too).  And I've never had good pho in the LA area, for whatever reason.

Also Korean soondubu.


Probably have to go down to Westminister or something.
 
2013-05-08 05:00:44 PM  

FrancoFile: dabbletech: From Wiki: The broth for beef phở is generally made by simmering beef bones, oxtails, flank steak, charred onion, charred ginger and spices. For a more intense flavor, the bones may still have beef on them. Chicken bones also work and produce a similar broth. Seasonings can include Saigon cinnamon or other kinds of cinnamon as alternatives (may use stick or powder), star anise, roasted ginger, roasted onion, black cardamom, coriander seed, fennel seed, and clove. The broth takes several hours to make.[13][14] For chicken phở, only the meat and bones of the chicken are used in place of beef and beef bone. The remaining spices remain the same, but the charred ginger can be omitted, since its function in beef phở is to get rid of the "cow's smell"

Lovely.

You know how I know you've never made stock?


Yeah, I'm not sure how this is much different than making ANY kind of stock.  It takes my chicken stock about 4-5 hours (because I like a really flavorful broth and cook it down), but it's meat+vegetables+spices+time=any kind of stock you make.
 
2013-05-08 05:01:20 PM  
Never had Pho but would love to try it, it looks tasty. I'm going to scout places in my area now for it. Take that, Mr. Angry I Don't Wanna Eat It guy!
 
2013-05-08 05:03:27 PM  
chicken noodle soup with a stack of condiments.  Not sure why some people worship this sh*t
 
2013-05-08 05:04:37 PM  
I have had Pho, only from the Seattle area when I was visiting my girl friend. We don't have a restaurant that sells it locally. It wasn't bad, certainly not the end all of dishes but I enjoyed it. It is offered in a wide variety of ingredients so I just avoided the tofu versions.
If the author of this article thinks Pho is bad he clearly needs to try the American counterpart and pick himself up a can of chicken noodle soup. Then he could write an article most everyone would agree with.
 
2013-05-08 05:06:58 PM  

olddinosaur: Is that what they call a "pho pas?"


No, it's a pho pass....
 
2013-05-08 05:07:10 PM  
My favourite noodle join it right down the street.  It's Pho King - awesome food.  I went the other day though, and as soon as I entered I was greeted by a big Pho queue.  Bunch of people in line already waiting for soup.  To make matters worse, the guy taking the orders was talking on the phone instead of helping out the next in line with her to-go order. I had to tell him to shut the Pho cup and get back to work.  But even after it was still taking forever, so I went next door and got some farking fajitas.
 
2013-05-08 05:08:18 PM  

namatad: Corvus: [upload.wikimedia.org image 800x600] I'll take Bahn-mi over Pho any day.

ok
1) that looks like HEAVEN
2) what is that called and how do I order it? details for the bahn-mi impaired please !!


1. It's called banh mi.
2. You go to a place that sells banh mi, and say "I'd like a bahn mi, please."
 
2013-05-08 05:08:30 PM  
I have to agree with the author. My cousin forces that awful stuff on me everytime I visit him in DC.  It looks like dirty bath water and worse, tastes like my unfiltered cow pond (dont ask). That goop is terrible and even suggesting you hate it in the DC area is like some kind of horrible sin.
 
2013-05-08 05:09:02 PM  

another cultural observer: Heathens using cilantro in pho.  Long Coriander is much preferred.


Is that the surprisingly well-endowed Hanoi porn star?
 
2013-05-08 05:11:49 PM  

museamused: Pho is my favorite food and I live in rural Minnesota where it's not commonly known.  I have to drive 35 minutes to get a mediocre bowl and an hour to get a great bowl.  Would love to learn to make it well myself but my attempts have been unsatisfactory.

/Didn't know it was big anywhere but now I want to move to Seattle.
//To the people who try to correct my pronunciation I say, "Pho-Q, K?"


Try this link, the main trouble you are having I suspect is the broth. A lot of commercial broths (aka stock) are not very rich in flavor. You can make your own which takes a fair amount of time or experiment. I find Trader Joe's has a good one but I have not used if for making Pho.
http://www.lovingpho.com/pho-chefs-recipes/top-pho-recipes/
 
2013-05-08 05:12:18 PM  
The hipsters have latched onto pho. The uber-hipsters have turned against it. And the world continues to turn.

OscarTamerz:   If you're ever in The OC go to little Saigon and get yourself some.


"The OC"? Sorry, but now I have to ignore anything you say ever.

/From OC.
//Leaving was the best thing I ever did.
 
2013-05-08 05:12:36 PM  
It's actually pronounced "Fa"
 
2013-05-08 05:14:17 PM  

tortilla burger: Pho is not a hipster food. It's very much a working man type of food; it's made with relatively common ingredients, there's little in the way of fancy cooking methods or obscure preparations. And pho is exactly the type of thing you'd eat when you're hung over and need something to pick you up. It really doesn't fit the profile of a hipster/foodie favorite


I think you just described exactly why it IS a trendy hipster food. All the same reasons that pbr and converse sneakers became trendy for trust fund kids.
 
2013-05-08 05:16:11 PM  

VivianVivisect: It's actually pronounced "Fa"


Epic pho-il.
 
2013-05-08 05:17:06 PM  
"Disowning pho...
 
 
Not necessary as we were never related. So I can simply ignore him instead.
 
2013-05-08 05:17:17 PM  

xopher.tm: The hipsters have latched onto pho. The uber-hipsters have turned against it. And the world continues to turn.

 
Not necessarily. Some of us actually hate the stuff. My cousin (the same one who loves that nasty stuff) can't stand hot curried goat,  I happen to think its one of the most awesome dishes out there. Each to his own man.
 
2013-05-08 05:17:28 PM  

maxheck: FrancoFile:

dabbletech: From Wiki: The broth for beef phở is generally made by simmering beef bones, oxtails, flank steak, charred onion, charred ginger and spices. For a more intense flavor, the bones may still have beef on them. Chicken bones also work and produce a similar broth. Seasonings can include Saigon cinnamon or other kinds of cinnamon as alternatives (may use stick or powder), star anise, roasted ginger, roasted onion, black cardamom, coriander seed, fennel seed, and clove. The broth takes several hours to make.[13][14] For chicken phở, only the meat and bones of the chicken are used in place of beef and beef bone. The remaining spices remain the same, but the charred ginger can be omitted, since its function in beef phở is to get rid of the "cow's smell"

Lovely.

You know how I know you've never made stock?

Having a roast chicken carcass burbling away downstairs as I write... Kick, replies...

/ enjoying the rosemary-chickeney smell every time I go downstairs.


See your carcass, raise you the clam risotto I'm making tonight.
 
2013-05-08 05:17:53 PM  

VivianVivisect: It's actually pronounced "Fa"


Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".
 
2013-05-08 05:18:03 PM  

noitsnot: Also - Kimchi Jjigae:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x141]
Love it!


I had Kimchi for breakfast today--Chopped it up and added it to cream cheese and ate it on toast.  Yum.
 
But not quite as good as doing the same trick to umeboshi.
 
2013-05-08 05:20:15 PM  
Also, pho (which is indeed pronounced as an English toff might start the word "fart"...) is best accompanied in my opinion with a splash or two of nuoc maam.

This is probably as close as can be got to the lost, and arguably more disgusting, Roman fish sauce garum.
 
It is delicious and revolting. If a fish had fingernails and a scrotum and scratched the latter with the former after a half-marathon running through hippie lesbian communes, it would taste like that.
 
I won't eat pho without it. I'm using a few dashes in a stir fry tonight. It's the Fernet-Branca of condiments. It either induces gagging or sighs of pleasure. Very little room for a middle ground.
 
2013-05-08 05:20:42 PM  

Attention Whore of Babylon: Via Infinito: hubiestubert: So get something you do like. It's food, it's not rocket science.

I grew up in the South, and I despise okra. It's like eating a slimy eyebrow, but if folks like it, more power to them. If you are so worried about what people think about your food likes and dislikes, maybe you shouldn't eat in public. Or maybe get over your damn selves.

OMG I laughed SO HARD. You're right. I'm from AL and have always hated boiled okra too.

If it's that slimy, it's overcooked.  Blanch the whole pod for 3-4 minutes, drain, slice, mix with tomatoes and onions, cook until everything is tender...that's good eatin'.  But yeah, overcooked okra is nasty.


FTFM
 
2013-05-08 05:22:56 PM  

OscarTamerz: Pho sucks, it's for the tards who were actually stupid enough to eat ramen and like it.

[www.xuvn.com image 648x486]

Banh cuon is the food of the gods.  If you're ever in The OC go to little Saigon and get yourself some.  It's like a super good and flavorful Vietnamese enchilada.


We call those intra familia "alien fetus pods". We enjoy alternating dipping the peanut sauce with the nuoc maam. I like the crispy fried version, too. That and a bowl of No. 6 will fix ya.
 
Our local:
 
s3-media2.ak.yelpcdn.com
 
2013-05-08 05:24:50 PM  

EViLTeW: It's funny that so many people get stuck on the author's dislike of pho and ignore the point where the reason for the dislike is more related to the crazy-ass pho cult that insists she's just ignorant when stating she doesn't like pho.

 
I get that, for some reason, pho is to hipster foodies as the iphone is to apple fanboys.  Both may be decent, but the cult surrounding them makes them much less appealing.
 
I get what the author is saying regarding food fandom-- I feel the same way about the whole bacon obsession, though I actually like bacon, just not on everything, and I'm not going to fry up a pound of it and just eat that because BACON!
 
She's no less annoying than the people she is complaining about, and she's actually claiming that noodle soup is difficult to eat. If it bothers her so much, perhaps she could go out to eat with less insufferable friends and then everybody wins.
 
2013-05-08 05:25:20 PM  

Gonz: I had pho for lunch today- yes, with added Sriracha- so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

//From Trader Joe's, too.


It would have been cooler if you were drinking a Pina Colada at Trader Vics...and you hair was perfect. 

/aawoooooooooo
 
2013-05-08 05:25:43 PM  
why would you compare Korean Tofu Soup to PHO? why?
 
2013-05-08 05:25:53 PM  

MBooda: [arthurhungry.com image 350x263]
/...please

 
yay!   leaving satisfied
 
2013-05-08 05:25:56 PM  

Deucednuisance: I don't know pho, but if you're ever in DC this soup is the BOMB:

 
[www.malaysiakopitiam.com image 713x474]
 
Vegetable Curry Laksa from Malaysia Kopetiam
 
Try it, you'll like it!
 
That looks delicious. Now that is a soup.
 
2013-05-08 05:26:24 PM  

factoryconnection: "I don't like it because it's just bland noodles and sort-of salty broth. Seriously, that's it. I really think you guys think it's much more than that. Yes, I realize it usually has meat and some weird veggies in it, but bean sprouts and Thai basil also aren't that good..."

I figured before reading that it would come down to the writer not liking basil, or cilantro, or ginger, or fish sauce.  If you don't like the herbs and spices they use in the broth, assuming it was a place that had good broth, then you won't like the food.

brap: That's great, um, maybe you should order something else.

Yeah, considering that most pho places also have banh mi, and if you don't like banh mi I don't know what you're looking for in life.


The problem is, I hate Thai basil and cilantro, main parts of both dishes.  Hence, the hate.  Otherwise, I pretty much like anything.
 
2013-05-08 05:28:37 PM  

fartacus: Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".


Yep- and for the folks in DC, Froggy Bottom Pub (2142 Pennsylvania, NW) has GREAT Pho. The owners are Vietnamese, and it's cheap, homemade deliciousness.
 
2013-05-08 05:31:49 PM  

Kanemano: [fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net image 850x637] Pho from the best place in Hanoi, open since 1945, unmatched in the states, cost $2.50


the very first pho place i went to in the SF bay area 10 years ago was a small mom and pop place, $4 pho, very quick and very good... definitely miss it.  nowadays i can find good pho for $8, most recently tried somewhere with unusually thick cuts of steak/brisket that was pretty damn good.. unfortunately they botch the spring rolls there, very hard to find a place that does everything well. so yeah, enjoy your $2.50 pho for me man haha
 
as for the blogger, no one cares you don't like it, your loss, no need to shout for attention with your negative opinions. pho is far more than just salty water and noodles, but if you don't like the noodles or the mix of herbs used to flavor the broth then yeah, you're not gonna be thrilled with it, no big deal. I personally love pho because for such a simple base as broth and noodles, you can completely tailor it to your taste with different types of meats (beef, chicken, seafood, meatballs, etc), different types of veggies (onions, bean sprouts, basil, mint, lime), and different types of sauces (sriracha, housin, chili oil). Most people can find a combination they really like, and as a comfort food it's hard to beat on a cold day. And if that still isn't to your taste, try spring rolls, vermicelli bowls, pork sandwiches, and other delicious options.
 
2013-05-08 05:32:01 PM  
Meh, pho is okay I guess.  Like this guy said, though, too many people freak out over the stuff.  Watching Anthony Bourdain have an orgasm over it on his show is fairly amusing.
 
/prefer Pad Thai
 
2013-05-08 05:32:32 PM  
If in Denver and looking for good pho, go to Pho Duy or Pho Duy 2.
 
2013-05-08 05:34:03 PM  

show me: I first had pho almost 20 years ago and have absolutely loved it ever since. I can understand why some people don't, but it really is about figuring just how much of each additive/sauce you like. Damn, I just ate lunch and I'm getting hungry just thinking about it.


So you liked it before it was cool!... That is so awesome!
 
2013-05-08 05:38:11 PM  
I discovered Pho.  The Vietnamese claim to have discovered it because they made it... but they don't really get it.
 
2013-05-08 05:42:29 PM  
I like the Chinese variant. I think it's called Kung-Pho
 
2013-05-08 05:43:42 PM  

OscarTamerz: Pho sucks, it's for the tards who were actually stupid enough to eat ramen and like it.

[www.xuvn.com image 648x486]

Banh cuon is the food of the gods.  If you're ever in The OC go to little Saigon and get yourself some.  It's like a super good and flavorful Vietnamese enchilada.


Oh, look at me!  I hate everything popular.  I am so unique and twee.  Allow me to adjust my hornrim glasses and twirl my ironic mustache!
 
2013-05-08 05:43:45 PM  

Orange-Pippin: xopher.tm: The hipsters have latched onto pho. The uber-hipsters have turned against it. And the world continues to turn.
 
Not necessarily. Some of us actually hate the stuff.

 
He writes for the Seattle Weekly.
 
 
I can see disliking a particular noodle soup. 
 
I like it well enough, but I can see how someone might not. 
 
But writing an impassioned piece for the Hipster Times about how much one despises a once-obscure-now-trendy noodle soup is pretty-much purchasing a first class ticket on the Hipster Train.
 
/Having lived in Garden Grove and Westminister in the 90's, I was eating and enjoying Phở before it was cool. I don't eat Phở anymore; too much of a scene. I eat a different Asian noodle soup these days. You probably never heard of it.
 
2013-05-08 05:44:44 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Gonz: i upped my meds-up yours: Cilantro is a test of the true foodie. You may have excellent taste, but if the C-receptor gene has passed you by, you can never be one of the elect.

I grow my own cilantro. And, since we don't use pesticides on our vegetable garden, you know what that means?
Homegrown organic cilantro, that's what.

It means it still tastes like soap. Organic, pesticide free soap.


This is a genetic variant.  Some people think it tastes like soap, others don';t.
 
2013-05-08 05:46:05 PM  

xopher.tm: I eat a different Asian noodle soup these days. You probably never heard of it.

 
My asian noodle soup is from Canada.
 
2013-05-08 05:46:24 PM  

Sultan Of Herf: Gonz: I had pho for lunch today- yes, with added Sriracha- so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

//From Trader Joe's, too.

It would have been cooler if you were drinking a Pina Colada at Trader Vics...and you hair was perfect. 

/aawoooooooooo


Werewolves of London!
 
2013-05-08 05:46:31 PM  

Langdon Alger: I'll open my own restaurant:

Fee Fee Fi Fi Pho Pho Yum


get ready
 
2013-05-08 05:46:35 PM  
FrancoFile:

maxheck: FrancoFile:

dabbletech: From Wiki: The broth for beef phở is generally made by simmering beef bones, oxtails, flank steak, charred onion, charred ginger and spices. For a more intense flavor, the bones may still have beef on them. Chicken bones also work and produce a similar broth. Seasonings can include Saigon cinnamon or other kinds of cinnamon as alternatives (may use stick or powder), star anise, roasted ginger, roasted onion, black cardamom, coriander seed, fennel seed, and clove. The broth takes several hours to make.[13][14] For chicken phở, only the meat and bones of the chicken are used in place of beef and beef bone. The remaining spices remain the same, but the charred ginger can be omitted, since its function in beef phở is to get rid of the "cow's smell"

Lovely.

You know how I know you've never made stock?

Having a roast chicken carcass burbling away downstairs as I write... Kick, replies...

/ enjoying the rosemary-chickeney smell every time I go downstairs.

See your carcass, raise you the clam risotto I'm making tonight.


Yeah, but you probably didn't make a loaf of egg bread to go with it, and that trumps all. So :P 

/ mmmm... Eggy bread baking smell...
 
2013-05-08 05:47:42 PM  
I saw this in Renton a couple months ago; had to go back for a picture!
 
img850.imageshack.us
 
2013-05-08 05:49:25 PM  

Gonz: I had pho for lunch today- yes, with added Sriracha- so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

//From Trader Joe's, too.


Adding Sriracha to pho is for philistines - it masks the flavor of the broth. You're supposed to dip the meat in the sriracha.
 
2013-05-08 05:49:47 PM  
And just for the record, I like dim sum better. Been DYING to get out to San Francisco to the best hole in the wall dim sum place I've ever been to.
 
/screw this thread
//it's making me hungry
 
2013-05-08 05:53:11 PM  

bborchar: Yeah, I'm not sure how this is much different than making ANY kind of stock.  It takes my chicken stock about 4-5 hours (because I like a really flavorful broth and cook it down), but it's meat+vegetables+spices+time=any kind of stock you make.


It's why "some sort of noodles in a really amazing long-simmering stock" is such a popular street food - it's really only economical to do in huge batches, but if you have high throughput, you can make the stuff really fast and really cheap.  
 
I miss noodle stalls and cheap noodle houses something fierce.  Beats the heck out of standard US "fast food" any day.
 
When it comes to Western food though a good fried chicken and fries is similar too, easy to make lots and cheap and fast if you're making it for hordes at a restaurant or booth and just keep that oil going, but at home, not so much.
 
2013-05-08 05:53:54 PM  
Don't blame the Pho, blame the restaurant:
 
a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com
 
2013-05-08 05:54:07 PM  

Skleenar: xopher.tm: I eat a different Asian noodle soup these days. You probably never heard of it.
 
My asian noodle soup is from Canada.


Free-range, grass-fed noodles, no doubt.
 
2013-05-08 05:55:34 PM  
Total loser attention whore. In his own words:
"The only reason I have put myself through this experience of eating this awful dish so many times is because of the reaction I get when I tell people that I don't like it."


He's worse than vegetarians saying how icky meat is.
 
2013-05-08 05:55:46 PM  

Skleenar: xopher.tm: I eat a different Asian noodle soup these days. You probably never heard of it.
 
My asian noodle soup is from Canada.


Went to some Vietnamese restaurant with pages and pages of different noodle soup, next to the Pacific Mall in Markham.  Had some Vietnamese variant of wonton noodle soup, it was tasty.
 
/that mall has Japanese mascot toy vending machines set up to take $2 coins
//plus places selling kitchen doodads I have a hard time finding locally, so I was happy
 
2013-05-08 05:57:22 PM  

fartacus: VivianVivisect: It's actually pronounced "Fa"

Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".


FA!!!
 
2013-05-08 05:59:58 PM  

missmez: ReverendJynxed: Gonz: i upped my meds-up yours: Cilantro is a test of the true foodie. You may have excellent taste, but if the C-receptor gene has passed you by, you can never be one of the elect.

I grow my own cilantro. And, since we don't use pesticides on our vegetable garden, you know what that means?
Homegrown organic cilantro, that's what.

It means it still tastes like soap. Organic, pesticide free soap.

This is a genetic variant.  Some people think it tastes like soap, others don';t.


Yeah like a different gene does with the older artificial sweeteners like diet coke and diet pepsi use. Tastes like bitter almonds to people with the cyanide detection gene.The newer artificial sweeteners like coke zero and pepsi max use don't but the old ones are bitter not sweet if you have that gene.
 
2013-05-08 05:59:59 PM  
Pho is great!  My favorite place here in my corner of Seattle:  http://www.yelp.com/biz/pho-thy-thy-seattle Don't feel you have to eat every little veggie in there. Pour on the brown sauce, put the basil in there (yum! - the author is really missing out), and gobble down the meat and noodles.  Squeeze the lime into your glass of ice water.  Pho Thy Thy has got a cool fish tank with a manta ray, the service is swift, and they've always been really nice to me.  Another suggestion: just get the regular beef to start with.  I'm really not into the meatballs or tripe or anything.  Keep it simple.
 
2013-05-08 06:00:40 PM  

VivianVivisect: fartacus: VivianVivisect: It's actually pronounced "Fa"

Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".

FA!!!


Fuh you!!!
 
http://www.lovingpho.com/pho-opinion-editorial/how-to-pronounce-pho/
 
2013-05-08 06:01:12 PM  
If I ordered pho at a Chinese restaurant, would that be faux pho?
 
2013-05-08 06:01:48 PM  

VivianVivisect: fartacus: VivianVivisect: It's actually pronounced "Fa"

Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".

FA!!!


"Fuh?" With a rise at the end like a question.
 
Or so the elderly Vietnamese men behind the counter tell me. They could be wrong I guess.
 
2013-05-08 06:03:29 PM  

GWSuperfan: fartacus: Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".

Yep- and for the folks in DC, Froggy Bottom Pub (2142 Pennsylvania, NW) has GREAT Pho. The owners are Vietnamese, and it's cheap, homemade deliciousness.


In one of my meetings with the Orange County Register and the OCTA we had a social media luncheon in "Little Siagon" and our coordinator said it's "Fah", he corrected me many times.
 
2013-05-08 06:04:30 PM  

Rapmaster2000: OscarTamerz: Pho sucks, it's for the tards who were actually stupid enough to eat ramen and like it.

[www.xuvn.com image 648x486]

Banh cuon is the food of the gods.  If you're ever in The OC go to little Saigon and get yourself some.  It's like a super good and flavorful Vietnamese enchilada.

Oh, look at me!  I hate everything popular.  I am so unique and twee.  Allow me to adjust my hornrim glasses and twirl my ironic mustache!


10 points for working "twee" into it that.
 
2013-05-08 06:04:40 PM  
Q: How did the hipster burn his mouth?
A: By eating his pho before it was cool.
 
2013-05-08 06:07:42 PM  
 
2013-05-08 06:09:35 PM  

special20: Myria: I want to start a restaurant named Phở Q.

Go pho it.


What do you call the line in front of the Pho restaurant?


The Pho queue.
 
2013-05-08 06:09:46 PM  

fartacus: Gonz: I had pho for lunch today- yes, with added Sriracha- so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

//From Trader Joe's, too.

Adding Sriracha to pho is for philistines - it masks the flavor of the broth. You're supposed to dip the meat in the sriracha.


Do what you want, but please shut up about what I should do:

1) Get Pho Dac Biet so it has every possible cow part in it (maybe even add a meatball)
2) Shred up the Basil and dump it in
3) All all the Jalepeno slices they gave you - rip them up if they are really big
4) Add a reasonable amount of the Bean Sprouts, if they don't look E-Coli ridden
5) Squeeze a good honk of Lime juice in - taste - repeat but don't go too far
6) Get Sriracha bottle - wipe crust funk off nozzle - hose in a ton (about five circles around the bowl)
7) Taste - add some hoisin if it needs to be a little sweeter
 
2013-05-08 06:10:18 PM  
He liked it before it cool

He doesn't like it cuz it's gone mainstream
 
2013-05-08 06:10:35 PM  

Rik01: Like Baloot. The Asian delicacy found mainly around Taiwan consisting of fetal ducks brought nearly to full term, then scalded to death in the shell. People who love that abomination like crunching on the little beaks, feathers and feet and slurping down the amniotic fluid they were steamed in.


Ah, so you have no idea what you are even talking about.
 
2013-05-08 06:10:59 PM  

Rik01: The guy has a right to his opinion.

I've had some awful food that folks rave about as if it's Gods gift to humanity and been around long enough to understand that people will eat dirt and wax all poetic about it.

I don't care if it takes three days to make that stinky, lumpy, spicy main course. It sucks, IMO, and I think you're an idiot for eating it.

Like Baloot. The Asian delicacy found mainly around Taiwan consisting of fetal ducks brought nearly to full term, then scalded to death in the shell. People who love that abomination like crunching on the little beaks, feathers and feet and slurping down the amniotic fluid they were steamed in.

I know folks who like Limburger Cheese and the foul smell of that stuff makes me wonder what desperate soul actually ate it in the first place instead of tossing it in the nearest volcano.

Then again, folks love Pizza Hut food. I don't consider Pizza Hut Pizza to be actually pizza and haven't yet figured out what the meat pellets are and I'm not actually sure if it's food..

I'm also a bit weary of 'spicy' foods. I don't like foods that might taste good, but you can't tell because the first bite sears the skin off your tongue, melts the enamel on your teeth, turns your stomach into a knotted ball of acid and then you get to brag about how, much later, it peeled the first layer of tissue off your anus when disposing of it.

I had a thing of Red Beans and Rice the other day. One of those heat and eat servings. Nowhere did it mention that the stuff was spicy. The first bite burned out my taste buds, stripped the skin from my mouth, cleaned out my sinuses, seared all of the tarter from my teeth and dumped a volcano-like portion into my stomach.

What little taste I got was good -- it's just that not being a masochist, I didn't figure it was worthwhile being in agony to continue eating it.

I've watched big, burly guys wolf down stuff buried in hot sauce, proclaiming how great it is as their faces turned red, they burst out in r ...


Do we have our own Bourdain on Fark
 
2013-05-08 06:12:00 PM  
Never had pho, but it looks and sounds, from the description, tasty.
 
2013-05-08 06:12:39 PM  

Twitch Boy: Pho sucks, sriracha sucks, artisanal anything sucks, anything from a food truck sucks.

BIG MAC RULES!

*runs from stampede of foodie hipsters*


1/10.  Too obvious.
 
2013-05-08 06:13:25 PM  

noitsnot: hoisin


Speaking of pronounciation: Is this "hoy-zin"? The French in me is too strong, the first time pronounced it "hwa-ZAN", and everyone laughed.
 
2013-05-08 06:15:47 PM  
When you get to the real Vietnam, you find out how supersized everything is in America. The Pho Tai in Vietnam costs typically just about a dollar give or take about 3000 dong. It's served in a bowl way smaller than would be seen in America. On the other hand, the restaurants typically give you unlimited availability of basil, greens, sprouts, limes, jalapenos, and sauce. And it's filling in the quantity given. Like Seattle, it's available any time of the day, but the place in Saigon near where I stay during summers only serves it for breakfast or dinner, no lunch.
 
2013-05-08 06:16:34 PM  

show me: Oh, and one of the best pho places I've been to was The Best Little Pho House in Texas, on Lamar(?) Street in Austin.


Austin sucks.
 
2013-05-08 06:17:12 PM  

Peki: noitsnot: hoisin

Speaking of pronounciation: Is this "hoy-zin"? The French in me is too strong, the first time pronounced it "hwa-ZAN", and everyone laughed.


The French is strong in this one...
 
2013-05-08 06:19:20 PM  
I understand the her hate for it. When the first iPhone came out those farkers would not STFU about it, to the point I wanted to punch them
 
2013-05-08 06:20:09 PM  
I just put Hoisin on the noodles as they are wrapped around the chopstick. I really don't add Sriracha except maybe on a noodle bite, because Sriracha really covers up the delicious broth that is deliciouser by the limesqueeze and greens addition.
 
2013-05-08 06:22:49 PM  
Try bun bo hue, if you haven't.

Yes, you there.  I'm talking to you.
 
2013-05-08 06:23:00 PM  
If I want asian noodle soup gimme some udon with beef.
 
2013-05-08 06:23:18 PM  

Kevin72: I just put Hoisin on the noodles as they are wrapped around the chopstick. I really don't add Sriracha except maybe on a noodle bite, because Sriracha really covers up the delicious broth that is deliciouser by the limesqueeze and greens addition.


www.wired.com
 
2013-05-08 06:24:01 PM  

noitsnot: fartacus: Gonz: I had pho for lunch today- yes, with added Sriracha- so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

//From Trader Joe's, too.

Adding Sriracha to pho is for philistines - it masks the flavor of the broth. You're supposed to dip the meat in the sriracha.

Do what you want, but please shut up about what I should do:

1) Get Pho Dac Biet so it has every possible cow part in it (maybe even add a meatball)
2) Shred up the Basil and dump it in
3) All all the Jalepeno slices they gave you - rip them up if they are really big
4) Add a reasonable amount of the Bean Sprouts, if they don't look E-Coli ridden
5) Squeeze a good honk of Lime juice in - taste - repeat but don't go too far
6) Get Sriracha bottle - wipe crust funk off nozzle - hose in a ton (about five circles around the bowl)
7) Taste - add some hoisin if it needs to be a little sweeter


I was with you until you put the sriracha and hoisin in it. You must go to pho restaurants with crappy broth if you want to destroy the flavor like that. And while pho dac biet is good, but pho tai nam gau gan sach is better... add a plate of raw eye round steak on the side for extra goodness.
 
2013-05-08 06:24:28 PM  

noitsnot: Peki: noitsnot: hoisin

Speaking of pronounciation: Is this "hoy-zin"? The French in me is too strong, the first time pronounced it "hwa-ZAN", and everyone laughed.

The French is strong in this one...


*hangs head*

Guilty as charged.
 
2013-05-08 06:24:32 PM  
What I made for dinner:

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I would never make it as a foodie. I like eating too much.
 
2013-05-08 06:25:59 PM  

VivianVivisect: GWSuperfan: fartacus: Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".

Yep- and for the folks in DC, Froggy Bottom Pub (2142 Pennsylvania, NW) has GREAT Pho. The owners are Vietnamese, and it's cheap, homemade deliciousness.

In one of my meetings with the Orange County Register and the OCTA we had a social media luncheon in "Little Siagon" and our coordinator said it's "Fah", he corrected me many times.


There you go, that explains it. Your coordinator was wrong.
 
2013-05-08 06:30:01 PM  
Never had Pho, sounds like top ramen to me. Noodles with salty broth, lol. That being said, I's be willing to give it a try if it were available around here. Atlantic Canada doesn't have the great amount of various food cultures that other places do.
 
2013-05-08 06:31:00 PM  

maxheck: What I made for dinner:

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I would never make it as a foodie. I like eating too much.


See, I'm not sure I see the diff between that and chicken noodle soup. Is this a hipster thing I'm not getting?

/will laugh her butt off if that actually is chicken noodle
 
2013-05-08 06:35:58 PM  
Peki:

maxheck: What I made for dinner:

[i41.tinypic.com image 600x800]
[i42.tinypic.com image 600x800]

I would never make it as a foodie. I like eating too much.

See, I'm not sure I see the diff between that and chicken noodle soup. Is this a hipster thing I'm not getting?

/will laugh her butt off if that actually is chicken noodle


Well, no... That is in fact plain old chicken-noodle soup and egg bread. Pretty much as basic and unhip a meal as one can make.
(berp) and quite tasty.
 
2013-05-08 06:35:58 PM  

Corvus: [upload.wikimedia.org image 800x600] I'll take Bahn-mi over Pho any day.


My mother in law makes these and she puts this pate in there that tastes like battery acid.  That is all.

/CSB
 
2013-05-08 06:36:45 PM  
Who? What?
 
2013-05-08 06:38:14 PM  

maxheck: I would never make it as a foodie. I like eating too much.


I don't describe myself as a "foodie", but from what I've read on Fark, most on here would.  You like eating too much? The last time I went to a really cool restaurant, four of us ordered the entire menu.  I like eating.
 
2013-05-08 06:50:09 PM  

Calmamity: This reminds me of the 5 or 6 times I tried coke in college. Friends kept insisting that I must not have liked it because I tried someone's shiatty coke and this time I was really going to like it.

Great, now the back of my throat is numb and it is making me want to barf and I'm talking to an asshole about nothing. Yay?

On the other hand, if any of you kids out there want to score free drugs, pretend not to like them. Your friends will go broke trying to impress you.


This. Had pretty much the same experiences, coke and meth both.
 
2013-05-08 06:55:13 PM  

maxheck: FrancoFile:

maxheck: FrancoFile:

dabbletech: From Wiki: The broth for beef phở is generally made by simmering beef bones, oxtails, flank steak, charred onion, charred ginger and spices. For a more intense flavor, the bones may still have beef on them. Chicken bones also work and produce a similar broth. Seasonings can include Saigon cinnamon or other kinds of cinnamon as alternatives (may use stick or powder), star anise, roasted ginger, roasted onion, black cardamom, coriander seed, fennel seed, and clove. The broth takes several hours to make.[13][14] For chicken phở, only the meat and bones of the chicken are used in place of beef and beef bone. The remaining spices remain the same, but the charred ginger can be omitted, since its function in beef phở is to get rid of the "cow's smell"

Lovely.

You know how I know you've never made stock?

Having a roast chicken carcass burbling away downstairs as I write... Kick, replies...

/ enjoying the rosemary-chickeney smell every time I go downstairs.

See your carcass, raise you the clam risotto I'm making tonight.

Yeah, but you probably didn't make a loaf of egg bread to go with it, and that trumps all. So :P 

/ mmmm... Eggy bread baking smell...


Nope.
But my Gruner Veltlinir Kir is tasting pretty damned good right now.
 
2013-05-08 06:57:55 PM  
I like me some pho.  Green Leaf has food and pho that I like a lot.  One of the many restaurants I miss since leaving Seattle.  I don't miss Seattle, just the food.....Oh! and July and August.  Its very pretty in those months and it almost makes you forget the perpetual 9 to 10 months of March, 45 and rainy.
 
2013-05-08 06:59:17 PM  
Opinions are fine - until your workplace insists on going out for Pho or Sushi for every single event/new hire, etc.

I don't like these things. I don't care if you do - and when you say "We're all going to [pho/sushi]" and I say "Oh, okay, enjoy yourselves!" don't act all bewildered that I don't want to come pay $15 for all you can eat gristle (i.e. the non-sushi stuff the sushi place serves) and salt.

15 people paid $20 each after tip and drink etc. for all you can eat food that is completely unhealthy and the thing is - the company we work for provides grills on the patio! How about we pool HALF that money and take the $150 to the store, buy a bunch of fresh produce. and steak and cook it all up together "as a team", sharing recipes or spices or whatever, and buy a case of beer. Way more bang for your buck.

No, let's go to the awkward shiatty hole in the wall where you have to rub elbows and you can't really get up to go to the bathroom without inconveniencing every single person there and your food comes randomly and not at all timed together.

I suspect it's all just "ooh, like at me, I'm so cultured" nonsense. Virtually every person there has a smug kind of confidence but also constantly looks around to make sure you know they are using chopsticks.

So I like steak, potatoes and veggies. Let me be.
 
2013-05-08 07:01:39 PM  
What the hell is Pho and Banh Mi?
 
2013-05-08 07:09:39 PM  
This thread made me go to my fridge and grab a pickled okra.
 
2013-05-08 07:11:04 PM  

factoryconnection: Plus, since the Seattle Times no doubt has a large chunk of readership that falls into the food hipster category, this type of article is bound to generate a lot of clicks and comments.


had this been published in the Seattle Times you might have been on to something
 
2013-05-08 07:15:16 PM  

exick: The only drawback of pho for me is the exorbitant amount of cilantro I have to deal with. Basil, ginger, fish sauce, broth, meat, noodles are all great. And then I get to the farking forest of cilantro. Gorrammit!


First thing I do with pho is fish out the bits of cilantro that are inevitable going to be in it.  It's ok, as seasonings go, but in something lighter flavored like pho it quickly overwhelms any other taste.
 
2013-05-08 07:16:06 PM  
Pho Finnish?

Nope. Vietnamese.
 
2013-05-08 07:16:32 PM  
"I really love food. I've been known to get giggly or even teary-eyed when I eat something really good. I can name you plates I've had that have changed how I look at the world."

Author needs to learn to masturbate better


Additionally, even if I really hate something I've eaten, I will try it on at least two different occasions. After that, I give up and move on to better things.
Well that's better.  It's that kind of thinking that made me take another bite of a Limburger cheese sandwich but jesus, you know, get a life.
 
2013-05-08 07:17:22 PM  

OscarTamerz: Pho sucks, it's for the tards who were actually stupid enough to eat ramen and like it.

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Banh cuon is the food of the gods.  If you're ever in The OC go to little Saigon and get yourself some.  It's like a super good and flavorful Vietnamese enchilada.


I love ramen, but only the real kind, and my favorite is with kimchi, and I make it myself since I live in a real-japanese-food-lacking area.  Sometimes people just like a good noodle soup :P

The Banh cuon looks delicious, I'll have to find it or make it myself.
 
2013-05-08 07:24:25 PM  

itazurakko: bborchar: Yeah, I'm not sure how this is much different than making ANY kind of stock.  It takes my chicken stock about 4-5 hours (because I like a really flavorful broth and cook it down), but it's meat+vegetables+spices+time=any kind of stock you make.

It's why "some sort of noodles in a really amazing long-simmering stock" is such a popular street food - it's really only economical to do in huge batches, but if you have high throughput, you can make the stuff really fast and really cheap.  
 
I miss noodle stalls and cheap noodle houses something fierce.  Beats the heck out of standard US "fast food" any day.
 
When it comes to Western food though a good fried chicken and fries is similar too, easy to make lots and cheap and fast if you're making it for hordes at a restaurant or booth and just keep that oil going, but at home, not so much.


Yeah, living in Japan I fell in love with all of the street stalls and small restaurants (even Yoshinoya made a decent late night meal if I wanted something cheap).  I will say that Japanese food (like many asian foods) took me a little while to get used to, though- but when I did, it was so much better than the greasy stuff you find in the US.  And now I have to make my own food, since good asian restaurants here are few and far between- I want to go to NYC again when I'm NOT pregnant and dying of nausea, lol.  You can't beat a good dashi stock for ramen.
 
2013-05-08 07:25:25 PM  
What the hell is pho, and why should I give a fark?
 
2013-05-08 07:29:20 PM  
Only eats Pho from food trucks:

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2013-05-08 07:30:12 PM  

brap: That's great, um, maybe you should order something else.  Like something you enjoy.   *ten minutes of awkward silence*

What do you want a gold star sticker?


Because, as apparently you missed, people act like she murdered a baby every time she says she doesn't like it.  And because people won't simply drop it, but insist on dragging her to restaurants so she can try pho AGAIN.

I have the same issue with eels.  I hate eels.  I've tried them cooked in just about every way you can imagine, in different restaurants in different countries, and they've been awful every time.  And still friends will tell me  how wrong I am and how I must try it at their place and add just the right amount of something and not doing this is why I didn't like it --- exactly like the author's experience with pho.  And, again, they won't let it fracking drop.

It's not like I go around with a t-shirt that has "I hate eels" printed on it.  But it does come up from time to time.
 
2013-05-08 07:30:17 PM  
Pho is one of the least exciting Asian food options around. I can't see why it is worth getting excited about either way.
 
2013-05-08 07:32:09 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE!



In this case, it's more like "Strop trying to force me to like things I don't."
 
2013-05-08 07:35:44 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I feel the same way about sushi. I'm considered a philistine because I farking HATE fish!


Not really aimed at you per se, but for people who have tried sushi but don't like it (but possibly excluding those who simply hate fish altogether), I recommend ceviche.  I very rarely eat fish because I hate that "fishy" taste but good ceviche does  not have that "fishy" tasteat all.
 
2013-05-08 07:41:29 PM  

ciberido: ecmoRandomNumbers: I feel the same way about sushi. I'm considered a philistine because I farking HATE fish!

   I hate that "fishy" taste but good ceviche does  not have that "fishy" tasteat all.



I can take your wife/girlfriend away I betcha.
 
2013-05-08 07:43:53 PM  

tortilla burger: Pho is not a hipster food. It's very much a working man type of food; it's made with relatively common ingredients, there's little in the way of fancy cooking methods or obscure preparations. And pho is exactly the type of thing you'd eat when you're hung over and need something to pick you up. It really doesn't fit the profile of a hipster/foodie favorite



Except for the fact that pho is Vietnamese, which makes it exotic to most people living in North America.  And being exotic or something "you've probably never heard of" is a significant part of being a hipster/foodie favorite.
 
2013-05-08 07:43:53 PM  

Kanemano: Pho from the best place in Hanoi, open since 1945, unmatched in the states, cost $2.50


The Kraft mac and cheese in the other bowl looks better...
 
2013-05-08 07:44:57 PM  
The absolute #1 soup I've ever had is my grandma's albondigas.  It will never be surpassed.

Pho is certainly in the close battle for second, though.
On any given day it could be pho or it could be caldo de res:
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or tom kha:
hungrynative.com

or good ole' chicken noodle:
www.davita.com

Soup is so flippin' wonderful.
 
2013-05-08 07:45:03 PM  
What noodle-making in Cambodia might look like:

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aaand... For some reason I got distracted and didn't document the rest of the process.
 
2013-05-08 07:48:23 PM  

Kanemano: [fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net image 850x637] Pho from the best place in Hanoi, open since 1945, unmatched in the states, cost $2.50


You post this without a name or address!?!? I was justin Ha Noi this past Christmas and had Pho at least once a day. But I'd have to say my favorite meal was cooking outdoor on the sidewalk sitting on little blue stools.
 
2013-05-08 07:55:53 PM  

TreehouseEngineer: Kanemano: [fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net image 850x637] Pho from the best place in Hanoi, open since 1945, unmatched in the states, cost $2.50

You post this without a name or address!?!? I was justin Ha Noi this past Christmas and had Pho at least once a day. But I'd have to say my favorite meal was cooking outdoor on the sidewalk sitting on little blue stools.


So you got distracted by the Asian chick in the yellow shirt too, I see.
 
2013-05-08 08:00:36 PM  

moothemagiccow: KFC makes terrible fried chicken


You SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH!
 
2013-05-08 08:01:43 PM  

Gawdzila: The absolute #1 soup I've ever had is my grandma's albondigas.  It will never be surpassed.

Pho is certainly in the close battle for second, though.
On any given day it could be pho or it could be caldo de res:
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or tom kha:
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or good ole' chicken noodle:
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Soup is so flippin' wonderful.


Thai Thom Kha soup has been one of my most persistent pregnancy cravings, I kid you not. I have dreams about that stuff.
 
2013-05-08 08:02:56 PM  
Good friend of mine taught English in Hanoi for 3 months and came back with an abiding love for Vietnamese food.
Not just pho, but for Vietnamese flavors in general and Northern Vietnamese in particular; it is her absolute favorite country for food, and she has hung out in quite a few far flung countries.  After hunting down some good Northern Vietnamese in L.A., I have to say that it is way, way up there.  It's a pretty unique flavor profile with heavy use of fish sauce, a lot of lightly-sweetened dishes (usually with palm sugar I think), and lots of herbaceous flavors like cilantro and mint in particular.  Not too spicy, unlike their neighbor Thailand.  Sounds weird maybe, but it is extremely good food.
 
2013-05-08 08:03:08 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: It's soup. Broth soup. It began as poor-people's street food. How exciting is it supposed to be?


but its from *authentic* poor people, so it is therefore exciting and the only true way of eating.

I mean, isnt it everyone's dream to move into a Vietnamese neighborhood where you can get some good authentic Pho, and drive up the rents so the Vietnamese all have to move out?
 
2013-05-08 08:16:41 PM  

kiwimoogle84: Thai Thom Kha soup has been one of my most persistent pregnancy cravings, I kid you not. I have dreams about that stuff.


I believe you.  I crave it often and I'm not even being manipulated by the bizarre nutritional cravings of a proto-human ;)
It's just great, one of the most unique soups I've ever eaten.  The bright lime and lemongrass flavors with the coconut-y sweet-and-salty broth, and a nice slow burn from the chiles is just so good.
 
2013-05-08 08:17:53 PM  

LemSkroob: I mean, isnt it everyone's dream to move into a Vietnamese neighborhood where you can get some good authentic Pho, and drive up the rents so the Vietnamese all have to move out?


I LOL'd.  Hard XD
 
2013-05-08 08:18:23 PM  

Peki: Sybarite: Mexicans pronounce burrito (buh-REE-to).

Huh. Can you clarify this one? I'm from Los Angeles, and I've been sitting for the last five minutes trying to figure out what other way I hear it pronounced.

/CSS: Had some trouble ordering a "Baja Chicken Chalupa" from a Toxic Smell in Arkansas once. I placed my order (Baha Chicken. . ), and he goes, "Huh?? Oh, you mean with Bayjuh sauce? Okay!"


I had a similar experience trying to order something in North Carolina.  I asked for crème de menthe and the guy had no idea what I was talking about until I tried saying "cream dee mint."

/And don't get me started on "chipotle" and "voilà."
 
2013-05-08 08:19:18 PM  

brap: That's great, um, maybe you should order something else.  Like something you enjoy.   *ten minutes of awkward silence*

What do you want a gold star sticker?


i286.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-08 08:20:34 PM  
Vietnamese wife...homemade pho is awesome.
 
2013-05-08 08:22:45 PM  

bborchar: Yeah, living in Japan I fell in love with all of the street stalls and small restaurants (even Yoshinoya made a decent late night meal if I wanted something cheap).  I will say that Japanese food (like many asian foods) took me a little while to get used to, though- but when I did, it was so much better than the greasy stuff you find in the US.  And now I have to make my own food, since good asian restaurants here are few and far between- I want to go to NYC again when I'm NOT pregnant and dying of nausea, lol.  You can't beat a good dashi stock for ramen.


Potluck parties.  It's the only way to get Japanese home cooking (or really Japanese any kind of food around where I am - some places pretend, but they're not real).  It's funny, new people to the group come over, and are wondering why in the heck most events involve food at someone's house.  A few months in, they understand...

I've never been to Vietnam but I have had pho in restaurants run by Vietnamese people, usually right next to the supermarket where I would take my luck and buy some random cassette tapes of Vietnamese pop songs for $1.50 (all recorded in Westminster, natch).

Speaking of which... something else I miss from those supermarkets was a sort of dessert, pounded rice cake outside and pounded mung beans filling (so, YELLOW) paste inside.  It was usually a rectangular "sandwich" of the stuff, wrapped in plastic (so you can see the filling on the sides, not a round ball like similar Japanese desserts).  Anyway, I started eating that because I missed mochi with anko in it, this is slightly different but definitely in the same zone and great.  Now of course I wish I knew what it's called.

Appropriating heathen that I am, I would eat that stuff with green tea...
 
2013-05-08 08:23:59 PM  

Gawdzila: Soup is so flippin' wonderful.


Hell yeah.  Soup is probably my favorite and default thing to eat - if I make it at home usually it's halfway to stew though.  I'm lazy, so I'm all about making a vat of some sort of soup on the weekend and doling it out for lunch all week. Mmmm.
 
2013-05-08 08:26:05 PM  

ciberido: /And don't get me started on "chipotle" and "voilà."


I live in L.A. with street names like Sepulveda (it's se-PUL-vehdah, not seh-pul-VEE-da), and La Jolla (La Hoya, not like La Jollies or La Holla, said faux-cheerleader style). Jack 'n the Box helped with the chipotle pronunciations, so I rarely hear "chipoodle" anymore (not a dog people).

/will admit Asians have some vowel sounds that as a Caucasian I have trouble saying. Background in linguistics helps though, since I understand it's just a mouth shape that English didn't ascribe a letter or sound too (and sometimes it's two sounds for the same letters-- "th" for example).
 
2013-05-08 08:26:45 PM  
Oooooohhh!!!! Oooh! Oooooh! Mistah Kottah!

Let's throw RED POSOLE in the mix too:

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As long as were talkin' soup here...
 
2013-05-08 08:27:52 PM  

Deucednuisance: I don't know pho, but if you're ever in DC this soup is the BOMB:

[www.malaysiakopitiam.com image 713x474]

Vegetable Curry Laksa from Malaysia Kopetiam

Try it, you'll like it!


I'm not going to try it; YOU try it!
 
2013-05-08 08:28:47 PM  
If for some esoteric reason I opened a Pho restaurant, I would call it the Pho Hammer
 
2013-05-08 08:42:20 PM  
What?

<googles?

Oh. It's just a fancy name for chicken noodle soup. £1.80 at the chinese restaurant across the road.
 
2013-05-08 08:42:42 PM  

alaric3: Yes, there is a right to an opinion. But who cares? I have a lot of meaningless opinions myself. I don't feel the need to write a full page article  about it. That's narcissism that exceeds the posting pictures of breakfast.


And yet you DO feel the need to write a Fark post about how much you don't care.
 
2013-05-08 08:43:01 PM  

tortilla burger: Pho is not a hipster food. It's very much a working man type of food; it's made with relatively common ingredients, there's little in the way of fancy cooking methods or obscure preparations. And pho is exactly the type of thing you'd eat when you're hung over and need something to pick you up. It really doesn't fit the profile of a hipster/foodie favorite


Do you know how I know you completely don't understand the concept of "hipster"?

/hint: hipsters drink Pabst Blue Ribbon.
 
2013-05-08 08:45:35 PM  
Pho is awesome.

I mean, I could write an article about how I hate mushrooms. All kinds of mushrooms, every kind. Don't eat them, ever. But other people like mushrooms, and so why would I tell them not to eat mushrooms? That would make me a douchebag.

/Pho is awesome.
 
2013-05-08 08:46:25 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: No one would care if you didn't bleat about it all the time like we're somehow supposed to care.

No one cares.  Get a job. Fiancee doesn't go to school full time, gets a job.  Whatever.

yes, yes, I'm sure you have all the reasons in the world why you can't manage that.

just stop telling us how poor you are.  We don't care.


Some of us might care.  You don't speak for everybody else on Fark, you know.
 
2013-05-08 08:46:32 PM  

OniExpress: exick: The only drawback of pho for me is the exorbitant amount of cilantro I have to deal with. Basil, ginger, fish sauce, broth, meat, noodles are all great. And then I get to the farking forest of cilantro. Gorrammit!

First thing I do with pho is fish out the bits of cilantro that are inevitable going to be in it.  It's ok, as seasonings go, but in something lighter flavored like pho it quickly overwhelms any other taste.


No. The first thing you do is tear up basil and saw tooth herb and add chili, lime juice, Hoisin and bean sprouts.
 
2013-05-08 08:48:15 PM  

noitsnot: indeebud: hubiestubert: So get something you do like. It's food, it's not rocket science.

I grew up in the South, and I despise okra. It's like eating a slimy eyebrow, but if folks like it, more power to them. If you are so worried about what people think about your food likes and dislikes, maybe you shouldn't eat in public. Or maybe get over your damn selves.

LMAO!!  The most perfect description of okra, EVER.

Bhindi Masala - Okra Curry - no slime


There are a number of vegetables, okra among them, which can taste quite good or really awful depending on how they are cooked.  Eggplant is another good example.
 
2013-05-08 08:52:43 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Peki: Satan's Bunny Slippers: No one would care if you didn't bleat about it all the time like we're somehow supposed to care.No one cares.  Get a job. Fiancee doesn't go to school full time, gets a job.  Whatever.yes, yes, I'm sure you have all the reasons in the world why you can't manage that.just stop telling us how poor you are.  We don't care.

Then ignore me. Fark does give you that ability.

And I repeat it because I don't assume the same people are on the same threads all the time (unlike you I actually don't care who posts what, and take each post as if it were a completely new person unless there's a trail to follow--few exceptions to this are Tats, randomsja, SkinnyHead, Pocket Ninja, etc.), and the same stupid crap keeps getting repeated that proves people have no idea wtf is actually going on in the world around them.

I don't ignore anyone.  And if you don't care who posts what, then why are you replying to me?  Obviously, you do care. And you're looking for attention, so you got some. You also keep repeating the same stupid crap if even I have noticed.  I barely notice anyone, just the real irritants.

Have a nice day.



So, just to be clear, the two of you are arguing about which of you cares LESS?  Have you considered letting  alaric3 in on this action?
 
2013-05-08 08:52:51 PM  

ciberido: noitsnot: indeebud: hubiestubert: So get something you do like. It's food, it's not rocket science.

I grew up in the South, and I despise okra. It's like eating a slimy eyebrow, but if folks like it, more power to them. If you are so worried about what people think about your food likes and dislikes, maybe you shouldn't eat in public. Or maybe get over your damn selves.

LMAO!!  The most perfect description of okra, EVER.

Bhindi Masala - Okra Curry - no slime

There are a number of vegetables, okra among them, which can taste quite good or really awful depending on how they are cooked.  Eggplant is another good example.


Yes - eggplant can be like chunks of polystyrene foam. Not easy to make palatable.
 
2013-05-08 08:54:39 PM  
what the pho?
i'm lucky enough to live in an area with tons of pho joints, and the 2nd one i tried, years ago, is still the best.
having said that, i have been to probably 10-15 other pho places, and I would probably only get pho at 2 or 3 of those places again.

all pho is not good pho.

i visited by brother in northern cal, and he took me to a pho place he thought was good....
it was terrible.
 
2013-05-08 08:56:45 PM  

noitsnot: .


The best eggplant I've had was an eggplant casserole. The eggplant part was buried under cheese, sauce, and mushrooms, but that's not important right now.
 
2013-05-08 08:57:17 PM  

ciberido: Satan's Bunny Slippers: No one would care if you didn't bleat about it all the time like we're somehow supposed to care.

No one cares.  Get a job. Fiancee doesn't go to school full time, gets a job.  Whatever.

yes, yes, I'm sure you have all the reasons in the world why you can't manage that.

just stop telling us how poor you are.  We don't care.

Some of us might care.  You don't speak for everybody else on Fark, you know.


That's very sweet of you. I hope you aren't traumatized by Fark. :)
 
2013-05-08 09:00:17 PM  
i225.photobucket.com

Here's the Austin/Round Rock branch.

/representin'
 
2013-05-08 09:00:48 PM  

xopher.tm: VivianVivisect: fartacus: VivianVivisect: It's actually pronounced "Fa"

Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".

FA!!!

"Fuh?" With a rise at the end like a question.
 
Or so the elderly Vietnamese men behind the counter tell me. They could be wrong I guess.


The 'u' is pronounced like the 'u' in 'fur' not 'bus' and there is an inflection on the end. It's like a British person asking "Fur?"
 
2013-05-08 09:03:07 PM  
I hate food hipsters, beer snobs etc.  Not the people who enjoy good food and drink simply because they like it, but those that go out of their way to make it seem like they are some sort of gourmet or brewing expert, identifying dozens of flavors from a simple taste, then talking down to you because your selection is not as obscure as theirs.

Those type of people deserve shunned and called out for the douchebags that they are.

I went on a date once to a wine bar located in the basement of a building.  Great atmosphere for a date, dark and candle lit, cozy and intimate.  Anyways, our server speaking in a falsely deep voice, waxed poetic on a number of beer and wine selections.  I asked if they had a immensely popular seasonal beer from a local brewer on tap or in bottle.  He told me that they did not have it, and acted like it was not good enough for the establishment and that I was some sort of heathen for asking.     Now mind you, this is an exceptional local brewery and a point of pride for this major American city.  Same thing for local wines.

Then the hipsters arrived and ruined the intimate atmoshpere and turned the place into a typical, loud, friday night meat market type bar.  I really wanted to like the place.
 
2013-05-08 09:03:14 PM  

whatshisname: The 'u' is pronounced like the 'u' in 'fur' not 'bus' and there is an inflection on the end. It's like a British person asking "Fur?"


That's helpful. Thanks!
 
2013-05-08 09:11:06 PM  

Peki: whatshisname: The 'u' is pronounced like the 'u' in 'fur' not 'bus' and there is an inflection on the end. It's like a British person asking "Fur?"

That's helpful. Thanks!


You can hear it here, about midway down the page http://www.lovingpho.com/pho-opinion-editorial/how-to-pronounce-pho/
 
2013-05-08 09:16:14 PM  

itazurakko: EViLTeW: It's funny that so many people get stuck on the author's dislike of pho and ignore the point where the reason for the dislike is more related to the crazy-ass pho cult that insists she's just ignorant when stating she doesn't like pho.

I get that, for some reason, pho is to hipster foodies as the iphone is to apple fanboys.  Both may be decent, but the cult surrounding them makes them much less appealing.

Personally I haven't run into the pho cult, but I am definitely not a fan of the "foodie" set. "oh, you're ordering THAT? You should totally try one of these other 4 things that are also really good here" "last time I came here the chef made it for me special" "you're ordering the same thing you got last time??? you really should have this other thing" "oh can I try part of your order?" "wow this [whatever] is outstanding today, it's better than usual, here you HAVE to try this!" or worse yet "oh yeah this is pretty good but it's nothing compared to [restaurant in some other city] you really need to eat there, the chef is really awesome" etc etc etc and then of course taking photos of his lunch.

Just EAT IT already and shut up!!



They actually did a study and found that people who second-guess (or get persuaded by someone else at the table to change) their orders at restaurants are actually less satisfied with their meal than people who simply order something and eat it.  So, scientifically speaking, if there's something you see on the menu that catches your eye, you should stick with it and ignore any advice you get.

That's not to say you shouldn't ever ask for advice or try new things, by the way, but never, ever, order something other than what you really feel like eating because you think you SHOULD.
 
2013-05-08 09:17:45 PM  

itazurakko: Gawdzila: Soup is so flippin' wonderful.

Hell yeah.  Soup is probably my favorite and default thing to eat - if I make it at home usually it's halfway to stew though.  I'm lazy, so I'm all about making a vat of some sort of soup on the weekend and doling it out for lunch all week. Mmmm.


Oh, you're in good company. My sister used to laugh at me because when I'm sick, I don't want canned soup or soup from wherever. I'll spend an hour and make my own, just the way I like it.
 
2013-05-08 09:29:54 PM  

ciberido: They actually did a study and found that people who second-guess (or get persuaded by someone else at the table to change) their orders at restaurants are actually less satisfied with their meal than people who simply order something and eat it.  So, scientifically speaking, if there's something you see on the menu that catches your eye, you should stick with it and ignore any advice you get.


Interesting. The fiancé is notoriously insecure about making decisions, and out of all the times we've eaten out (been together 3 1/2 years), it's only been a handful of times that he's preferred his dish over mine--we do "bite for bite" trades so we can try stuff without being stuck with a dish we don't like. I've wondered if that was pathological, as it's way too regular to be coincidence. (He has loosened up over time, as I've convinced him to chill; not every decision requires contemplation as if it were life and death)

/to contrast, I use a flow-chart-style decision making process, which allows me to make decisions based on the fewest criteria. I'm rarely unhappy with any decision, food or otherwise.

I've seen other studies too, with regards to car buying and elections, that show that single- or few-issue decision makers tend to be happier in the long run with their choices than those who pore themselves over details trying to make the best choice.
 
2013-05-08 09:36:41 PM  
Pho is chicken soup. Chicken soup is quintessential american. To hate pho is to be unamerican!
 
2013-05-08 09:39:43 PM  

JohnBigBootay: It's time to face the music, Seattleites. Pho is awful. Can we please stop pretending it isn't?

Meh. As many have said, there's no accounting for personal taste. We can stipulate that everyone's are different - no sense in discussing that any further. This chump isn't talking about personal taste - he's making an absolute judgement about something that he doesn't care for yet millions of other people absolutely love. So, he's just farking wrong - next question.


Maybe, but if so, the author is no more wrong (and no less obnoxious) than her friends who keep trying to get her to try it.
 
2013-05-08 09:44:24 PM  
I hate pho

bzzzzztt first make the case why anybody beside yourself should give more than a finger as to what you hate, love, or fondle.
 
2013-05-08 09:48:24 PM  
I am a Colombian/Italian/French bastard from New Orleans. My wife is a Colombian chef, trained under a Swiss Cordon Bleue Chef in Colombia and her thoughts on Cilantro is that it is to be used sparingly, never cooked in the dish, but added to the personal taste of the consumer, and never more than a teaspoon.  Unlike in the US where they use it handfulls, which makes it nasty.

1. Okra is what makes a gumbo a gumbo, otherwise it is nasty, but it is a perfect element in gumbo.  If it does not have it is not gumbo.

2. Plenty of places to get pho since East New Orleans is little Vietnam.

3. Ya Ka Mein we have, and have had for years before the Pho Fad, in Louisiana we frown on food hipsters, tradition is tradition.  They cannot decide whether Ya Ka Mein is from our old China Town, or what African american vets brought back from korea.
 
2013-05-08 09:49:23 PM  
Pizza sucks, too. I mean, it is just bread with a bunch of salty toppings.
 
2013-05-08 09:51:34 PM  

Corvus: For all you anti-hipster food people luckily you don't know about Bahn-mi yet!!!


We do NOW.
 
HKW
2013-05-08 09:52:14 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Love pho.

Only recently found out from a Vietnamese friend that I've been mispronouncing it for 20 years.

The cedilla over the "o" and the little tail on the "o" makes it a very soft sound.  I still don't think I'm getting it properly, but as close as my Caucasian mouth can get it's not "fo" (rhyming with "go") but rather more like "fhaa"


I am in Vietnam now, and enjoying the replies.   seriously!
twas at Pho24 last night.   I dont know what they make in seattle, but real Pho (pronounced fuuh), in my case Pho Ga (chicken Pho), was farking awesome.  Just lots of chicken with light noodles in a herbed chicken broth.  you can add sauces if you want but why?

Plan on going back for lunch today..  Might snap some pics
 
2013-05-08 09:53:44 PM  
Went to RTFA to find out WTF Pho is. Lost interest and still don't know or care.  Apparently, a lot of Farkers have an opinion on the matter though.
 
2013-05-08 09:57:33 PM  

cranked: Rik01: I've had some awful food that folks rave about

You don't drink, don't smoke - what do you do?


Sudden innuendos, must be somethin;' inside.
 
HKW
2013-05-08 09:58:48 PM  

FrancoFile: It's not real pho unless it's made by someone who had to escape from South Vietnam after the fall of Saigon.

One of the great things about living in Northern VA in the 90s was great pho in every neighborhood.


The folks who couldnt escape to get there make a mean dish of Pho here in Ho Chi Minh city.  Pho24.co.vn
 
2013-05-08 09:59:45 PM  
theflatline:

1. Okra is what makes a gumbo a gumbo, otherwise it is nasty, but it is a perfect element in gumbo.  If it does not have it is not gumbo.

I know a few people who think okra tastes good but can't get past the mucilage.

I love it fried, pickled, and stewed with tomatoes and onions.
 
2013-05-08 10:02:46 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Only recently found out from a Vietnamese friend that I've been mispronouncing it for 20 years.


daleblanshan.com

♫ Phở, a long, long way to run ♫
 
2013-05-08 10:10:10 PM  
ciberido: Corvus: For all you anti-hipster food people luckily you don't know about Bahn-mi yet!!!
 
We do NOW.

Vietnamese fast food?  That's how my (Vietnamese) wife describes it.

It's interesting to watch everyday stuff like food turn into something hipsterish enough that people argue in newspapers over whether it's cool to hate it.  It's interesting because it's become something I don't even think about when I eat it.

It's also interesting because so many people use trendy food to try to show off how cultured they are, even though most of them don't even know how to ask where the bathroom is in Vietnamese.
 
2013-05-08 10:10:57 PM  

icam: theflatline:

1. Okra is what makes a gumbo a gumbo, otherwise it is nasty, but it is a perfect element in gumbo.  If it does not have it is not gumbo.

I know a few people who think okra tastes good but can't get past the mucilage.

I love it fried, pickled, and stewed with tomatoes and onions.


Oh, and this stuff is like crack:
showmeeats.files.wordpress.com
 
HKW
2013-05-08 10:20:05 PM  

Nick Nostril: Went to RTFA to find out WTF Pho is. Lost interest and still don't know or care.  Apparently, a lot of Farkers have an opinion on the matter though.


Well, go to www.pho24.com.vn & check out the menu
(note to self, click the ENGLISH tab in the upper right)

Best to view the real thing and not some amalgamation created by a Cambodian pretending to be Vietnamese in the US..

That is a Vietnamese franchise that recently opened here in Ho Chi Minh, and is doing great business.  I *hate* asian food, but that Chicken Pho is awesome..   (thank god for KFC, Pizza hut, Dominos, Burger king)  This is one of only 10 countries in the world without McDonalds BTW.
 
2013-05-08 10:23:19 PM  

orbister: What?

<googles?

Oh. It's just a fancy name for chicken noodle soup. £1.80 at the chinese restaurant across the road.


0.848/10 Chicken is not the meat you will be offered. Think cowmeat. Try a real google.
 
2013-05-08 10:25:37 PM  

Kevin72: The Pho Tai in Vietnam costs typically just about a dollar give or take about 3000 dong.


NTTAWWT
 
2013-05-08 10:31:22 PM  

HKW: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Love pho.

Only recently found out from a Vietnamese friend that I've been mispronouncing it for 20 years.

The cedilla over the "o" and the little tail on the "o" makes it a very soft sound.  I still don't think I'm getting it properly, but as close as my Caucasian mouth can get it's not "fo" (rhyming with "go") but rather more like "fhaa"

I am in Vietnam now, and enjoying the replies.   seriously!
twas at Pho24 last night.   I dont know what they make in seattle, but real Pho (pronounced fuuh), in my case Pho Ga (chicken Pho), was farking awesome.  Just lots of chicken with light noodles in a herbed chicken broth.  you can add sauces if you want but why?

Plan on going back for lunch today..  Might snap some pics


Was it the Pho24 near Ben Thanh where Bill Clinton once dined?
 
2013-05-08 10:33:18 PM  

HKW: I *hate* asian food


And you're in Vietnam? Damn.
Just got back from Cambodia and Laos and the food was incredible. I am still sweating lemongrass.
 
2013-05-08 10:33:48 PM  
Regardless of whether you like pho or not, I don't understand why almost every Vietnamese place in America makes it their marquee dish. I've been in Vietnam for 6 weeks and have eaten pho maybe twice. There are many other Vietnamese dishes that are probably better.
 
2013-05-08 10:36:34 PM  
Anyone post Jimmy Chiu yet?

http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=NvhEPc2ABIk

What is your name?
Phuc Dat Bich
What an interesting name!
 
2013-05-08 10:38:38 PM  

ciberido: They actually did a study and found that people who second-guess (or get persuaded by someone else at the table to change) their orders at restaurants are actually less satisfied with their meal than people who simply order something and eat it.  So, scientifically speaking, if there's something you see on the menu that catches your eye, you should stick with it and ignore any advice you get.


That only happens when you are in a state of wondering if the first choice would have been better.  Having trusted people give you advice or having a really excellent second selection eliminates that second-guessing.  If people give you a bad or iffy recommendation that leaves you wondering, cut them.  Pretty soon you are dining only with friends of good culinary taste.
 
2013-05-08 10:39:50 PM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7741176/84099593#c84099593" target="_blank">HKW</a>:</b> <i>Nick Nostril: Went to RTFA to find out WTF Pho is. Lost interest and still don't know or care.  Apparently, a lot of Farkers have an opinion on the matter though.

Well, go to www.pho24.com.vn & check out the menu
(note to self, click the ENGLISH tab in the upper right)

Best to view the real thing and not some amalgamation created by a Cambodian pretending to be Vietnamese in the US..

That is a Vietnamese franchise that recently opened here in Ho Chi Minh, and is doing great business.  I *hate* asian food, but that Chicken Pho is awesome..   (thank god for KFC, Pizza hut, Dominos, Burger king)  This is one of only 10 countries in the world without McDonalds BTW.</i>

As you mention, Pho24 becoming a franchise. I think its catering to the international crowd, and hence the added offering of chicken. I've been eating phô in San Francisco since the 80's, and Saigon in this century, and they rarely offered chicken.
 
2013-05-08 10:40:03 PM  

Lsherm: Phuc Dat Bich


1.bp.blogspot.com

No longer open in Vancouver
 
2013-05-08 10:41:05 PM  

Macular Degenerate: Pho is chicken soup. Chicken soup is quintessential american. To hate pho is to be unamerican!


Uhhhhhh, not so much, at least for the pho I see all over southern California. It's a beef-based broth.

The chicken version is pho ga.
 
2013-05-08 10:42:38 PM  
I like the place attached to the Greyhound bus station downtown. Just like in Seattle the Pho in actual Vietnam runs the gamut from tasteless and kinda gross to awesome and delicious. The mystery meat in Vietnam is definitely more exciting though.
 
2013-05-08 10:46:11 PM  

olddinosaur: Is that what they call a "pho pas?"


Wow. You are very punny.
 
2013-05-08 10:48:05 PM  

JenFromTheWood: Kanemano: Pho from the best place in Hanoi, open since 1945, unmatched in the states, cost $2.50

The Kraft mac and cheese in the other bowl looks better...


That's diced hot peppers,

TreehouseEngineer: Kanemano: [fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net image 850x637] Pho from the best place in Hanoi, open since 1945, unmatched in the states, cost $2.50

You post this without a name or address!?!? I was justin Ha Noi this past Christmas and had Pho at least once a day. But I'd have to say my favorite meal was cooking outdoor on the sidewalk sitting on little blue stools.


The place is Pho bat dan in the old quarter.

Funny I was in Ha Noi this past Christmas also
 
HKW
2013-05-08 10:53:39 PM  

Kevin72: HKW: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Love pho.

Only recently found out from a Vietnamese friend that I've been mispronouncing it for 20 years.

The cedilla over the "o" and the little tail on the "o" makes it a very soft sound.  I still don't think I'm getting it properly, but as close as my Caucasian mouth can get it's not "fo" (rhyming with "go") but rather more like "fhaa"

I am in Vietnam now, and enjoying the replies.   seriously!
twas at Pho24 last night.   I dont know what they make in seattle, but real Pho (pronounced fuuh), in my case Pho Ga (chicken Pho), was farking awesome.  Just lots of chicken with light noodles in a herbed chicken broth.  you can add sauces if you want but why?

Plan on going back for lunch today..  Might snap some pics

Was it the Pho24 near Ben Thanh where Bill Clinton once dined?


That was "Pho for president 2000"..  or at least, they renamed the place. Dont know what it was before..  Its not a Pho24, and my Vietnamese lady doesnt like the place..  We're in Tan Binh district, so we go to the one on Bau Cat street.
 
HKW
2013-05-08 11:00:17 PM  
As you mention, Pho24 becoming a franchise. I think its catering to the international crowd, and hence the added offering of chicken. I've been eating phô in San Francisco since the 80's, and Saigon in this century, and they rarely offered chicken.

Well, Beef here in Vietnam is considered a bit of a delicacy.  since pork and chicken are the very overwelming majority of meats eaten coontil you get up north were rat and dog are on the menu as well).  I would think back in the US, Vietnamese would jump at the chance to have plentiful inexpensive beef over chicken anyday -- maybe thats the reason.   I can use my flight here from HK as an example,  plane full of Vietnamese, and the choices of meal was Beef Stew, or Rice with Chicken..   almost everyone choose beef stew (including myself) around were I was sitting.
 
2013-05-08 11:07:31 PM  

fartacus: rev. dave: Pho is my 2nd favorite soup behind Tom Kha.  I like both with tofu rather than meat since the meat never ends up tasting all that good.

Pho and Tom Kha are delicious, but Mool Naeng Myun is tops.


For those who don't know, Naengmyeon is basically cold Korean ramen, and it tastes worse than it sounds.  Though it might not be so awful if it were served hot.

There are other Korean noodle dishes which are far superior.

/Now I'm hungry for gazpacho for some reason.
 
2013-05-08 11:10:29 PM  

Skleenar: noitsnot: Also - Kimchi Jjigae:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x141]
Love it!

I had Kimchi for breakfast today--Chopped it up and added it to cream cheese and ate it on toast.  Yum.



Take the word of someone who loves kimchi: you are insane.  And not in the fun way.
 
2013-05-08 11:15:01 PM  
Pho is good everywhere I've had it, but the best Pho in the country is in Nevada (weird?) and I've actually traveled out of my way to stop for it when I'm within 200 miles of Nevada.
 
2013-05-08 11:15:15 PM  

fartacus: VivianVivisect: fartacus: VivianVivisect: It's actually pronounced "Fa"

Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".

FA!!!

Fuh you!!!

http://www.lovingpho.com/pho-opinion-editorial/how-to-pronounce-pho/


Begun, the pho wars have.
 
2013-05-08 11:15:51 PM  

Gawdzila: LemSkroob: I mean, isnt it everyone's dream to move into a Vietnamese neighborhood where you can get some good authentic Pho, and drive up the rents so the Vietnamese all have to move out?

I LOL'd.  Hard XD


Sadly, its true. I remember all the hipsters who move to Greenpoint raving about "all the cool old independent Polish butcher shops" and now all those guys are further on down the line by me now because the Polish cant afford to live there anymore. Same for the Dominicans in Williamsburg. They are all in College Point, Ridgewood, or north NJ now. Jews are still there though. They own the buildings, after all.
 
2013-05-08 11:17:32 PM  

ciberido: Skleenar: noitsnot: Also - Kimchi Jjigae:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x141]
Love it!

I had Kimchi for breakfast today--Chopped it up and added it to cream cheese and ate it on toast.  Yum.


Take the word of someone who loves kimchi: you are insane.  And not in the fun way.


That's probably the only way I'd ever try kimchi again. . .
 
2013-05-08 11:20:24 PM  

MindStalker: EvilEgg: I get where the author is coming from.  I have heard of pho, but I have never actually eaten it.  From the people who talk about it, I expect to emulate Meg Ryan in her famous diner scene if I ever get around to eating it.

Its really not "that" great. What I love about it is simply that its super cheap. Imagine if you will ramen noodles made at home (well except these are rice noodles), with some cheap flank stake thrown in and some herbs. Nothing special at all, but its filling and super cheap, perfect college food.


Except that it's 5 bucks, and Ramen noodles are four for a dollar at the store.

\who needs protein?
 
2013-05-08 11:33:49 PM  
I love a good pho with pork, but I usually go for the bun:  vermicelli noodle bowls with fish sauce.  However, nothing beats pho when you have a cold.
 
2013-05-08 11:46:21 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Love pho.

Only recently found out from a Vietnamese friend that I've been mispronouncing it for 20 years.

The cedilla over the "o" and the little tail on the "o" makes it a very soft sound.  I still don't think I'm getting it properly, but as close as my Caucasian mouth can get it's not "fo" (rhyming with "go") but rather more like "fhaa"


Isn't it "fuh"? That's how I've always heard it pronounced by natives.

Obviously, any way you can get it in front of you is proper pronunciation for non-natives.
 
2013-05-09 12:13:06 AM  

whatshisname: HKW: I *hate* asian food

And you're in Vietnam? Damn.
Just got back from Cambodia and Laos and the food was incredible. I am still sweating lemongrass.


I spent a vacation week in Korea in 1991.  I was pretty poor at the time, so was happy to find some bargains of various kinds (Korea was still pretty cheap, not so long after the military government and all that). I was even lucky enough to find some old people who could help me out of a pinch when I got lost, speaking Japanese (I know) and not hate me, I was thankful.

Anyway.

At one very cheap hostel I was staying at for a few days I ran into a white American woman who was living in Seoul, not just on cheap backpacking vacation like myself.  She complained about how food was expensive. Me, being naive, thought maybe she just didn't know? and so mentioned that I had gotten fortunate and met a local backpacker sort of guy (young guy this time, studying Japanese, so happy to talk to me and not hate me, again, I was happy) who took me to some small restaurants nearby and told me the names of some food we had so I can order it again (I can read some hangul but don't actually speak Korean) which I liked, including the sundubu mentioned upthread, good stuff. So hey, yeah you know there's this place near here with lots of cheap restaurants you should try it it's cheap? Cheap, main thing.

But, turns out, she didn't like Korean food so was eating at... Wendy's.  Which was apparently still expensive at the time.

/I like Wendy's, in the US
//I will say local variations of original US fast food chains are interesting too
///too bad we can't reverse import to the US!
 
2013-05-09 12:43:35 AM  

NetOwl: ciberido: Corvus: For all you anti-hipster food people luckily you don't know about Bahn-mi yet!!!

We do NOW.

Vietnamese fast food?  That's how my (Vietnamese) wife describes it.

It's interesting to watch everyday stuff like food turn into something hipsterish enough that people argue in newspapers over whether it's cool to hate it.  It's interesting because it's become something I don't even think about when I eat it.

It's also interesting because so many people use trendy food to try to show off how cultured they are, even though most of them don't even know how to ask where the bathroom is in Vietnamese.


They don't have bathrooms in Vietnam, didn't you see Platoon?
 
2013-05-09 01:00:51 AM  
Argue all you want, and I'll just keep making ribs

youngincle.webs.com
 
2013-05-09 01:18:46 AM  

noitsnot: fartacus: Gonz: I had pho for lunch today- yes, with added Sriracha- so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

//From Trader Joe's, too.

Adding Sriracha to pho is for philistines - it masks the flavor of the broth. You're supposed to dip the meat in the sriracha.

Do what you want, but please shut up about what I should do:

1) Get Pho Dac Biet so it has every possible cow part in it (maybe even add a meatball)
2) Shred up the Basil and dump it in
3) All all the Jalepeno slices they gave you - rip them up if they are really big
4) Add a reasonable amount of the Bean Sprouts, if they don't look E-Coli ridden
5) Squeeze a good honk of Lime juice in - taste - repeat but don't go too far
6) Get Sriracha bottle - wipe crust funk off nozzle - hose in a ton (about five circles around the bowl)
7) Taste - add some hoisin if it needs to be a little sweeter


Nothing in this list indicates you have any taste, or for that matter taste buds.

That being said, shut the fark up and eat what you want, how you want.  Why does anyone think this matters?
 
2013-05-09 01:23:23 AM  

ELKAY: I always thought NOLA had tons of pho because of the large Vietnamese population, especially on the west bank and in the east.

Now I'm finding out it's all over the country. Is this a new fad?

By the way I love pho but not as much as a Vietnamese po boy (banh mi)


We have Vietnamese people in Michigan too.

Last time I got pho from a place by my parents house on a Saturday night it was about 80% Vietnamese people and 20% white people.  Yummy though.  The rolls from the Vietnamese bakery were better.  There is also a Vietnamese barbecue place, grocery, and (sigh) nail supply place in the same strip mall.  You have to go further down the road to find the good banh mi though.
 
2013-05-09 01:25:13 AM  
After scanning through this entire page, I'm shocked to not see anyone comment that Pho should never be eaten "bland" exactly as it is served.  Doing so makes it little more than a (relatively) pricey ramen with meat.  The first Pho place I went to was a small family affair in Arkansas (surprisingly large number of refugees from '73-75 living around Fort Smith and Fayetteville).  My first time there, the owner showed me to mix in a large spoonful or two of Hoisin sauce, as well as a few scoops of chili sauce (to taste).  I won't say it's the best food in the world, but with the right combination, plus chilis, lime, basil, and cilantro, the stuff is very good.  It can be savory-sweet, hot enough to burn your teeth out, or anywhere in between.  If you've been eating your Pho straight without dipping into the extra garnishes, you're missing out....and the tripe makes a delicious crunch.
 
2013-05-09 01:27:40 AM  

ciberido: /Now I'm hungry for gazpacho for some reason.


go back to Russia!
 
2013-05-09 01:28:10 AM  
Note- I'm not talking about sriracha, but the real concentrated chili sauce that is usually just sitting on the table with the salt and pepper.
 
2013-05-09 01:39:58 AM  

itazurakko: But, turns out, she didn't like Korean food so was eating at... Wendy's.  Which was apparently still expensive at the time.

/I like Wendy's, in the US
//I will say local variations of original US fast food chains are interesting too
///too bad we can't reverse import to the US!


You try to open up a Lotteria in the USA and sell kimchi burgers and I will hunt you down and force-feed you beondaegi until you choke.
 
2013-05-09 01:45:32 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: ciberido: /Now I'm hungry for gazpacho for some reason.

go back to Russia!


25.media.tumblr.com
There's something about gazpacho soup you should know.
 
2013-05-09 01:59:55 AM  

juvandy: Note- I'm not talking about sriracha, but the real concentrated chili sauce that is usually just sitting on the table with the salt and pepper.


This?:

www.hotsauce.com
 
2013-05-09 02:25:22 AM  

big pig peaches: If I ordered pho at a Chinese restaurant, would that be faux pho?


t2.gstatic.com Definitely some special sauce in that bowl.
 
2013-05-09 02:28:06 AM  
the roasted chili paste is the way to go.
regular is only barely acceptable (to me).

3.bp.blogspot.com

some of this and some hoisin in the broth is a matter of taste (i like a little)

but i put this in the little bowl provided and dip the meat into it.

then, the ideal bite is the spoon full of some noodles, basil, bean sprout (for texture), broth and dipped meat.
 
2013-05-09 02:31:12 AM  
I started doing CrossFit about a month and a half ago. I really enjoy the challenge of the workouts and have had some really good results in the 50 days or so that I've been going. I've cut fat, put on lean muscle, and generally, feel a hell of a lot better about myself.

As much as I love the workouts, I hate how much the "Paleo" diet is pushed. Every day I go in to work out, someone else asks me "have you stopped consuming dairy?" "do you know that legumes will keep your weight up?" "did you know that grilled ground turkey and cale is a great dinner?" The answers to these questions in order is always: no, big deal, no it's not.

Never before have I seen a group of people so dedicated to eating nothing but grilled chicken or beef and steamed vegetables for every meal. No milk. No peanuts. No beans. No rice. No grains.

I'm sure that some of these people have seen some great results with a diet like that. But there is no way I'm going to reduce my diet to just a few foods, especially given the fact that I'm seeing results without doing so. Besides, I like milk.

/eat what you want
 
2013-05-09 02:31:36 AM  

amquelbettamin: Only eats Pho from food trucks:

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We're gonna need a bigger food truck.
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2013-05-09 04:26:14 AM  

whatshisname: xopher.tm: VivianVivisect: fartacus: VivianVivisect: It's actually pronounced "Fa"

Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".

FA!!!

"Fuh?" With a rise at the end like a question.
 
Or so the elderly Vietnamese men behind the counter tell me. They could be wrong I guess.

The 'u' is pronounced like the 'u' in 'fur' not 'bus' and there is an inflection on the end. It's like a British person asking "Fur?"


Hehe
 
2013-05-09 04:31:07 AM  

ciberido: fartacus: VivianVivisect: fartacus: VivianVivisect: It's actually pronounced "Fa"

Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".

FA!!!

Fuh you!!!

http://www.lovingpho.com/pho-opinion-editorial/how-to-pronounce-pho/

Begun, the pho wars have.


Beautiful
 
2013-05-09 05:36:53 AM  

cannotsuggestaname: STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE!


ARGH!


Stop banging on to me about things you like because you are a hipster when I cannot see the attraction and forcing me to go through the experience when I don`t like it!

Argh!
 
2013-05-09 05:42:39 AM  

Kubo: I started doing CrossFit about a month and a half ago. I really enjoy the challenge of the workouts and have had some really good results in the 50 days or so that I've been going. I've cut fat, put on lean muscle, and generally, feel a hell of a lot better about myself.

As much as I love the workouts, I hate how much the "Paleo" diet is pushed. Every day I go in to work out, someone else asks me "have you stopped consuming dairy?" "do you know that legumes will keep your weight up?" "did you know that grilled ground turkey and cale is a great dinner?" The answers to these questions in order is always: no, big deal, no it's not.

Never before have I seen a group of people so dedicated to eating nothing but grilled chicken or beef and steamed vegetables for every meal. No milk. No peanuts. No beans. No rice. No grains.

I'm sure that some of these people have seen some great results with a diet like that. But there is no way I'm going to reduce my diet to just a few foods, especially given the fact that I'm seeing results without doing so. Besides, I like milk.

/eat what you want


I follow this plan also. I eat when I feel hungry, exercise and try to avoid eating if I am not hungry. I do not have a `dinnertime`

Works for me.
 
HKW
2013-05-09 05:45:53 AM  

itazurakko: whatshisname: HKW: I *hate* asian food

And you're in Vietnam? Damn.
Just got back from Cambodia and Laos and the food was incredible. I am still sweating lemongrass.

I spent a vacation week in Korea in 1991.  I was pretty poor at the time, so was happy to find some bargains of various kinds (Korea was still pretty cheap, not so long after the military government and all that). I was even lucky enough to find some old people who could help me out of a pinch when I got lost, speaking Japanese (I know) and not hate me, I was thankful.

Anyway.

At one very cheap hostel I was staying at for a few days I ran into a white American woman who was living in Seoul, not just on cheap backpacking vacation like myself.  She complained about how food was expensive. Me, being naive, thought maybe she just didn't know? and so mentioned that I had gotten fortunate and met a local backpacker sort of guy (young guy this time, studying Japanese, so happy to talk to me and not hate me, again, I was happy) who took me to some small restaurants nearby and told me the names of some food we had so I can order it again (I can read some hangul but don't actually speak Korean) which I liked, including the sundubu mentioned upthread, good stuff. So hey, yeah you know there's this place near here with lots of cheap restaurants you should try it it's cheap? Cheap, main thing.

But, turns out, she didn't like Korean food so was eating at... Wendy's.  Which was apparently still expensive at the time.

/I like Wendy's, in the US
//I will say local variations of original US fast food chains are interesting too
///too bad we can't reverse import to the US!



Yea, I wanted to get to Malaysia and try the Chili cheese pasta dish they have at Wendy's there...  One of the reverse benny's I am bring back to the states is the tangy ketchup they serve at KFC here in 'nam..   I love the extra vinegary kick..  Vietnam can keep its seafood pizzas @ Pizza hut/dominos.
 
2013-05-09 06:27:45 AM  

Chevello: MindStalker: EvilEgg: I get where the author is coming from.  I have heard of pho, but I have never actually eaten it.  From the people who talk about it, I expect to emulate Meg Ryan in her famous diner scene if I ever get around to eating it.

Its really not "that" great. What I love about it is simply that its super cheap. Imagine if you will ramen noodles made at home (well except these are rice noodles), with some cheap flank stake thrown in and some herbs. Nothing special at all, but its filling and super cheap, perfect college food.

Except that it's 5 bucks, and Ramen noodles are four for a dollar at the store.

\who needs protein?


Sorry I mean it's the cheaper sit sit down restaurant food. Obviously expensive compared to home food.
 
2013-05-09 08:13:42 AM  

itazurakko: /I like Wendy's, in the US
//I will say local variations of original US fast food chains are interesting too
///too bad we can't reverse import to the US!


The non-beef McDonalds in India are interesting. It's veg or paneer or chicken everything.
The local version of KFC in Guatemala, Pollo Campero is pretty good, too.
Whenever I travel for a long time, the first thing I get when I'm back in Canada is a good burger.
 
2013-05-09 10:23:49 AM  

Orange-Pippin: That looks delicious. Now that is a soup.


Oh man, the coconut milk and chili oil and noodles and...  god, it's good.

jigger: I pass by that place daily. I'll have to stop in one day. Looks awesome.


The Food Editor of Washingtonian Magazine is married to a musical colleague and dear friend of mine.  Here's their review, and note that while it is a Top 100 restaurant, it's also one of their Cheap Eats picks.  You'll stuff your face with laksa (which also can come with chicken or beef and always: your choice of three types of noodle) for well under ten bucks.  The bowl is as big as my head, it's a lot of food.  Try to finish it, though: it doesn't do well in the fridge overnight, the noodles go mushy.

http://www.washingtonian.com/restaurantreviews/100-best-restaurants- 20 08-malaysia-kopitiam.php

Do go, enjoy, and let me know what you think!  EIP
 
2013-05-09 12:48:30 PM  

OgreMagi: My roommate is a pho fanatic. I've tried to like it, going to several different pho shops, but I've come to the conclusion that it will always taste like crap.  No surprise since making it involves using parts of an animal that is best thrown in the garbage.


I always order it without tendon, just beef slices.  I usually make it at home though, so it's exactly to my tastes.
/loooooove cilantro
 
2013-05-09 12:57:05 PM  
Peki:

maxheck: What I made for dinner:

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I would never make it as a foodie. I like eating too much.

See, I'm not sure I see the diff between that and chicken noodle soup. Is this a hipster thing I'm not getting?

/will laugh her butt off if that actually is chicken noodle


Better grab hold of your buns, hon...
 
2013-05-09 12:58:54 PM  

itazurakko: bborchar: Yeah, living in Japan I fell in love with all of the street stalls and small restaurants (even Yoshinoya made a decent late night meal if I wanted something cheap).  I will say that Japanese food (like many asian foods) took me a little while to get used to, though- but when I did, it was so much better than the greasy stuff you find in the US.  And now I have to make my own food, since good asian restaurants here are few and far between- I want to go to NYC again when I'm NOT pregnant and dying of nausea, lol.  You can't beat a good dashi stock for ramen.

Potluck parties.  It's the only way to get Japanese home cooking (or really Japanese any kind of food around where I am - some places pretend, but they're not real).  It's funny, new people to the group come over, and are wondering why in the heck most events involve food at someone's house.  A few months in, they understand...

I've never been to Vietnam but I have had pho in restaurants run by Vietnamese people, usually right next to the supermarket where I would take my luck and buy some random cassette tapes of Vietnamese pop songs for $1.50 (all recorded in Westminster, natch).

Speaking of which... something else I miss from those supermarkets was a sort of dessert, pounded rice cake outside and pounded mung beans filling (so, YELLOW) paste inside.  It was usually a rectangular "sandwich" of the stuff, wrapped in plastic (so you can see the filling on the sides, not a round ball like similar Japanese desserts).  Anyway, I started eating that because I missed mochi with anko in it, this is slightly different but definitely in the same zone and great.  Now of course I wish I knew what it's called.

Appropriating heathen that I am, I would eat that stuff with green tea...


I know exactly what you are talking about, but I can't remember the name of them to save my life.  My favorite was the mochi with the brown dust on it- but I can't remember what the dust was.  My favorite dessert there was the Haagen Dasz green tea ice cream.  I have been dying for some lately, but the nearest store that has it is 250 miles away :/  I'm trying to decide between the authentic japanese restaurant and the authentic chinese restaurant for mother's day- probably will do the chinese restaurant, because I want to taste their sichuan menu.
 
2013-05-09 01:05:37 PM  

bborchar: My favorite was the mochi with the brown dust on it- but I can't remember what the dust was.


The brown dust is 黄粉(kinako). Soybean dust, basically.

Those mung bean Vietnamese desserts, I gotta just go try to explain it at the market and see if someone knows... I haven't seen them anywhere just on the shelf, but maybe I'll get lucky.  The place I used to buy them was in California, at lots of markets and bakeries but it was in a Vietnamese majority area.
 
2013-05-09 01:17:03 PM  
Two minor rants:

There is no such thing as butterfish. Travel in SE asia, and you will encounter a heck of a lot of "butterfish."

It's catfish. And in my experience, it can be yummy as heck. But usually it is a gamy, bottom-sucking fish from the Mekong or the Irrawaddy or whatever. Occasionally, it's a pretty stinky and awful fish. At it's best (and it has a high best) it's quite nice on rice. But there is no such thing as butterfish. I can get that stuff deep-fried in the US as "Lake Trout."

Then there's (tying in to the OP) KFC's in Saigon.

The one I went to smelled pretty strongly of butterfish. After exploding at both ends with common traveller's ailments, I wanted something schlocky and comfortable, so I sought out the KFC.

Don't go to the Saigon KFC. Just saying.
 
2013-05-09 01:17:35 PM  

bborchar: My favorite dessert there was the Haagen Dasz green tea ice cream.  I have been dying for some lately, but the nearest store that has it is 250 miles away :/


Use teh Googles, there's lots of recipes for homemade Green Tea Ice cream.  I make some every summer.  You just need a tin of green tea powder:

www.sleepwarrior.com
 
2013-05-09 03:21:15 PM  
How is pho a hipster food anyway?  It's not hard to like, it's fairly inexpensive, and doesn't require the wearing of skinny jeans or a handlebar mustache...
 
2013-05-09 03:46:51 PM  

hubiestubert: So get something you do like. It's food, it's not rocket science.

I grew up in the South, and I despise okra. It's like eating a slimy eyebrow, but if folks like it, more power to them. If you are so worried about what people think about your food likes and dislikes, maybe you shouldn't eat in public. Or maybe get over your damn selves.


I'm from TX, never have been able to stand boiled/steamed okra.

It's really good fried, though..
 
2013-05-09 06:23:28 PM  
Yep, Pho sucks. I'm married to a Cambodian who loves it, and that is fine by me as well, personal taste and all. If she wants some, she can go get it with her friends and family. To me is isn't good and is a waste of $ for what you get; I call it dish water soup for the obvious reason that that's what the flavor and content generally equals.

Pardon me now, I need to go smoke my brined pork loin (Canadian bacon), smoke my Tasso ham after I dredge in marjoram and pepepr and bottle some pickles. Smoking and curing, Charcuterie FTW!
 
2013-05-09 06:46:39 PM  

Percise1: dish water soup for the obvious reason that that's what the flavor and content generally equals.


Hmm. Have you tried cilantro and / or do you think cilantro tastes like soap? I'm guessing that's the issue. Try it again but have them omit that spice, if you feel up to it. I love cilantro, but a lot of people state that it tastes like dish soap to them (and in large quantities, kinda does to me too). Similar to aspartame: I can't stand the aftertaste of it, but I know people (like my father) who can't tell the difference between a regular and diet soda.

/CSS: That trick usually leads my dad to hand me his soda and ask me to test it for him, as he's diabetic.
//had some humorous results one day when I assumed he wanted me to test it for the diet/regular difference, only to find that instead of Diet Coke, they put Dr. Pepper (blech! Dublin stuff is the only stuff I could tolerate, and now I has a sad)
 
2013-05-09 07:58:22 PM  
Thanks for the recommendation, but I really like cilantro and use it in everything from ceviche to tacos to asian dishes and soups so I know that isn't it. It is just that pho doesn't have enough flavor or substance to me. Noodles in a weak broth with random veggies and some floaty protein bits (if you are lucky) doesn't cut it with me, especially when they charge $5 for 50 cents worth of ingredients. It just isn't good or desirable to me, but if others like it, that's their problem...
Honestly, it doesn't taste like soap to me, but then there usually isn't much soap left in the water when I'm done washing dishes. :D
I'm not a picky eater and I'm the cook of the house, I'll make and eat everything from home cured/smoked salmon, bacon and sausages to sushi to soups or rotisseried chicken or leg of lamb. I'm not a chef by any means, but I make awesome Hunan beef, spicy coconut shrimp soup, tacos, pastas, humus, spring rolls, goulash, jumbalaya, sauerkraut, etc. I like to cook and love good food, but pho can kiss my butt!

Damn, see, now I'm hungry! I'll go nibble on some smoked cheddar...
 
2013-05-09 08:03:40 PM  

Percise1: Honestly, it doesn't taste like soap to me, but then there usually isn't much soap left in the water when I'm done washing dishes. :D


Are you implying you drink the dishsoap? NTTAWWT
 
HKW
2013-05-09 09:28:58 PM  
maxheck: 
Then there's (tying in to the OP) KFC's in Saigon.

The one I went to smelled pretty strongly of butterfish. After exploding at both ends with common traveller's ailments, I wanted something schlocky and comfortable, so I sought out the KFC.

Don't go to the Saigon KFC. Just saying.


Not sure which KFC your referring too, there are many of them in HCM, unless its a general statement.

But, I can attest that I have never had a problem at KFC, and I eat there regularly.  Also, including the store in Vũng Tàu, and the one in Nha Trang.   Love me some of that super tangy ketchup they serve there..
 
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