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2013-05-08 10:39:50 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7741176/84099593#c84099593" target="_blank">HKW</a>:</b> <i>Nick Nostril: Went to RTFA to find out WTF Pho is. Lost interest and still don't know or care.  Apparently, a lot of Farkers have an opinion on the matter though.

Well, go to www.pho24.com.vn & check out the menu
(note to self, click the ENGLISH tab in the upper right)

Best to view the real thing and not some amalgamation created by a Cambodian pretending to be Vietnamese in the US..

That is a Vietnamese franchise that recently opened here in Ho Chi Minh, and is doing great business.  I *hate* asian food, but that Chicken Pho is awesome..   (thank god for KFC, Pizza hut, Dominos, Burger king)  This is one of only 10 countries in the world without McDonalds BTW.</i>

As you mention, Pho24 becoming a franchise. I think its catering to the international crowd, and hence the added offering of chicken. I've been eating phô in San Francisco since the 80's, and Saigon in this century, and they rarely offered chicken.
 
2013-05-08 10:40:03 PM

Lsherm: Phuc Dat Bich


1.bp.blogspot.com

No longer open in Vancouver
 
2013-05-08 10:41:05 PM

Macular Degenerate: Pho is chicken soup. Chicken soup is quintessential american. To hate pho is to be unamerican!


Uhhhhhh, not so much, at least for the pho I see all over southern California. It's a beef-based broth.

The chicken version is pho ga.
 
2013-05-08 10:42:38 PM
I like the place attached to the Greyhound bus station downtown. Just like in Seattle the Pho in actual Vietnam runs the gamut from tasteless and kinda gross to awesome and delicious. The mystery meat in Vietnam is definitely more exciting though.
 
2013-05-08 10:46:11 PM

olddinosaur: Is that what they call a "pho pas?"


Wow. You are very punny.
 
2013-05-08 10:48:05 PM

JenFromTheWood: Kanemano: Pho from the best place in Hanoi, open since 1945, unmatched in the states, cost $2.50

The Kraft mac and cheese in the other bowl looks better...


That's diced hot peppers,

TreehouseEngineer: Kanemano: [fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net image 850x637] Pho from the best place in Hanoi, open since 1945, unmatched in the states, cost $2.50

You post this without a name or address!?!? I was justin Ha Noi this past Christmas and had Pho at least once a day. But I'd have to say my favorite meal was cooking outdoor on the sidewalk sitting on little blue stools.


The place is Pho bat dan in the old quarter.

Funny I was in Ha Noi this past Christmas also
 
HKW
2013-05-08 10:53:39 PM

Kevin72: HKW: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Love pho.

Only recently found out from a Vietnamese friend that I've been mispronouncing it for 20 years.

The cedilla over the "o" and the little tail on the "o" makes it a very soft sound.  I still don't think I'm getting it properly, but as close as my Caucasian mouth can get it's not "fo" (rhyming with "go") but rather more like "fhaa"

I am in Vietnam now, and enjoying the replies.   seriously!
twas at Pho24 last night.   I dont know what they make in seattle, but real Pho (pronounced fuuh), in my case Pho Ga (chicken Pho), was farking awesome.  Just lots of chicken with light noodles in a herbed chicken broth.  you can add sauces if you want but why?

Plan on going back for lunch today..  Might snap some pics

Was it the Pho24 near Ben Thanh where Bill Clinton once dined?


That was "Pho for president 2000"..  or at least, they renamed the place. Dont know what it was before..  Its not a Pho24, and my Vietnamese lady doesnt like the place..  We're in Tan Binh district, so we go to the one on Bau Cat street.
 
HKW
2013-05-08 11:00:17 PM
As you mention, Pho24 becoming a franchise. I think its catering to the international crowd, and hence the added offering of chicken. I've been eating phô in San Francisco since the 80's, and Saigon in this century, and they rarely offered chicken.

Well, Beef here in Vietnam is considered a bit of a delicacy.  since pork and chicken are the very overwelming majority of meats eaten (until you get up north were rat and dog are on the menu as well).  I would think back in the US, Vietnamese would jump at the chance to have plentiful inexpensive beef over chicken anyday -- maybe thats the reason.   I can use my flight here from HK as an example,  plane full of Vietnamese, and the choices of meal was Beef Stew, or Rice with Chicken..   almost everyone choose beef stew (including myself) around were I was sitting.
 
2013-05-08 11:07:31 PM

fartacus: rev. dave: Pho is my 2nd favorite soup behind Tom Kha.  I like both with tofu rather than meat since the meat never ends up tasting all that good.

Pho and Tom Kha are delicious, but Mool Naeng Myun is tops.


For those who don't know, Naengmyeon is basically cold Korean ramen, and it tastes worse than it sounds.  Though it might not be so awful if it were served hot.

There are other Korean noodle dishes which are far superior.

/Now I'm hungry for gazpacho for some reason.
 
2013-05-08 11:10:29 PM

Skleenar: noitsnot: Also - Kimchi Jjigae:

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Love it!

I had Kimchi for breakfast today--Chopped it up and added it to cream cheese and ate it on toast.  Yum.



Take the word of someone who loves kimchi: you are insane.  And not in the fun way.
 
2013-05-08 11:15:01 PM
Pho is good everywhere I've had it, but the best Pho in the country is in Nevada (weird?) and I've actually traveled out of my way to stop for it when I'm within 200 miles of Nevada.
 
2013-05-08 11:15:15 PM

fartacus: VivianVivisect: fartacus: VivianVivisect: It's actually pronounced "Fa"

Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".

FA!!!

Fuh you!!!

http://www.lovingpho.com/pho-opinion-editorial/how-to-pronounce-pho/


Begun, the pho wars have.
 
2013-05-08 11:15:51 PM

Gawdzila: LemSkroob: I mean, isnt it everyone's dream to move into a Vietnamese neighborhood where you can get some good authentic Pho, and drive up the rents so the Vietnamese all have to move out?

I LOL'd.  Hard XD


Sadly, its true. I remember all the hipsters who move to Greenpoint raving about "all the cool old independent Polish butcher shops" and now all those guys are further on down the line by me now because the Polish cant afford to live there anymore. Same for the Dominicans in Williamsburg. They are all in College Point, Ridgewood, or north NJ now. Jews are still there though. They own the buildings, after all.
 
2013-05-08 11:17:32 PM

ciberido: Skleenar: noitsnot: Also - Kimchi Jjigae:

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Love it!

I had Kimchi for breakfast today--Chopped it up and added it to cream cheese and ate it on toast.  Yum.


Take the word of someone who loves kimchi: you are insane.  And not in the fun way.


That's probably the only way I'd ever try kimchi again. . .
 
2013-05-08 11:20:24 PM

MindStalker: EvilEgg: I get where the author is coming from.  I have heard of pho, but I have never actually eaten it.  From the people who talk about it, I expect to emulate Meg Ryan in her famous diner scene if I ever get around to eating it.

Its really not "that" great. What I love about it is simply that its super cheap. Imagine if you will ramen noodles made at home (well except these are rice noodles), with some cheap flank stake thrown in and some herbs. Nothing special at all, but its filling and super cheap, perfect college food.


Except that it's 5 bucks, and Ramen noodles are four for a dollar at the store.

\who needs protein?
 
2013-05-08 11:33:49 PM
I love a good pho with pork, but I usually go for the bun:  vermicelli noodle bowls with fish sauce.  However, nothing beats pho when you have a cold.
 
2013-05-08 11:46:21 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Love pho.

Only recently found out from a Vietnamese friend that I've been mispronouncing it for 20 years.

The cedilla over the "o" and the little tail on the "o" makes it a very soft sound.  I still don't think I'm getting it properly, but as close as my Caucasian mouth can get it's not "fo" (rhyming with "go") but rather more like "fhaa"


Isn't it "fuh"? That's how I've always heard it pronounced by natives.

Obviously, any way you can get it in front of you is proper pronunciation for non-natives.
 
2013-05-09 12:13:06 AM

whatshisname: HKW: I *hate* asian food

And you're in Vietnam? Damn.
Just got back from Cambodia and Laos and the food was incredible. I am still sweating lemongrass.


I spent a vacation week in Korea in 1991.  I was pretty poor at the time, so was happy to find some bargains of various kinds (Korea was still pretty cheap, not so long after the military government and all that). I was even lucky enough to find some old people who could help me out of a pinch when I got lost, speaking Japanese (I know) and not hate me, I was thankful.

Anyway.

At one very cheap hostel I was staying at for a few days I ran into a white American woman who was living in Seoul, not just on cheap backpacking vacation like myself.  She complained about how food was expensive. Me, being naive, thought maybe she just didn't know? and so mentioned that I had gotten fortunate and met a local backpacker sort of guy (young guy this time, studying Japanese, so happy to talk to me and not hate me, again, I was happy) who took me to some small restaurants nearby and told me the names of some food we had so I can order it again (I can read some hangul but don't actually speak Korean) which I liked, including the sundubu mentioned upthread, good stuff. So hey, yeah you know there's this place near here with lots of cheap restaurants you should try it it's cheap? Cheap, main thing.

But, turns out, she didn't like Korean food so was eating at... Wendy's.  Which was apparently still expensive at the time.

/I like Wendy's, in the US
//I will say local variations of original US fast food chains are interesting too
///too bad we can't reverse import to the US!
 
2013-05-09 12:43:35 AM

NetOwl: ciberido: Corvus: For all you anti-hipster food people luckily you don't know about Bahn-mi yet!!!

We do NOW.

Vietnamese fast food?  That's how my (Vietnamese) wife describes it.

It's interesting to watch everyday stuff like food turn into something hipsterish enough that people argue in newspapers over whether it's cool to hate it.  It's interesting because it's become something I don't even think about when I eat it.

It's also interesting because so many people use trendy food to try to show off how cultured they are, even though most of them don't even know how to ask where the bathroom is in Vietnamese.


They don't have bathrooms in Vietnam, didn't you see Platoon?
 
2013-05-09 01:00:51 AM
Argue all you want, and I'll just keep making ribs

youngincle.webs.com
 
2013-05-09 01:18:46 AM

noitsnot: fartacus: Gonz: I had pho for lunch today- yes, with added Sriracha- so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

//From Trader Joe's, too.

Adding Sriracha to pho is for philistines - it masks the flavor of the broth. You're supposed to dip the meat in the sriracha.

Do what you want, but please shut up about what I should do:

1) Get Pho Dac Biet so it has every possible cow part in it (maybe even add a meatball)
2) Shred up the Basil and dump it in
3) All all the Jalepeno slices they gave you - rip them up if they are really big
4) Add a reasonable amount of the Bean Sprouts, if they don't look E-Coli ridden
5) Squeeze a good honk of Lime juice in - taste - repeat but don't go too far
6) Get Sriracha bottle - wipe crust funk off nozzle - hose in a ton (about five circles around the bowl)
7) Taste - add some hoisin if it needs to be a little sweeter


Nothing in this list indicates you have any taste, or for that matter taste buds.

That being said, shut the fark up and eat what you want, how you want.  Why does anyone think this matters?
 
2013-05-09 01:23:23 AM

ELKAY: I always thought NOLA had tons of pho because of the large Vietnamese population, especially on the west bank and in the east.

Now I'm finding out it's all over the country. Is this a new fad?

By the way I love pho but not as much as a Vietnamese po boy (banh mi)


We have Vietnamese people in Michigan too.

Last time I got pho from a place by my parents house on a Saturday night it was about 80% Vietnamese people and 20% white people.  Yummy though.  The rolls from the Vietnamese bakery were better.  There is also a Vietnamese barbecue place, grocery, and (sigh) nail supply place in the same strip mall.  You have to go further down the road to find the good banh mi though.
 
2013-05-09 01:25:13 AM
After scanning through this entire page, I'm shocked to not see anyone comment that Pho should never be eaten "bland" exactly as it is served.  Doing so makes it little more than a (relatively) pricey ramen with meat.  The first Pho place I went to was a small family affair in Arkansas (surprisingly large number of refugees from '73-75 living around Fort Smith and Fayetteville).  My first time there, the owner showed me to mix in a large spoonful or two of Hoisin sauce, as well as a few scoops of chili sauce (to taste).  I won't say it's the best food in the world, but with the right combination, plus chilis, lime, basil, and cilantro, the stuff is very good.  It can be savory-sweet, hot enough to burn your teeth out, or anywhere in between.  If you've been eating your Pho straight without dipping into the extra garnishes, you're missing out....and the tripe makes a delicious crunch.
 
2013-05-09 01:27:40 AM

ciberido: /Now I'm hungry for gazpacho for some reason.


go back to Russia!
 
2013-05-09 01:28:10 AM
Note- I'm not talking about sriracha, but the real concentrated chili sauce that is usually just sitting on the table with the salt and pepper.
 
2013-05-09 01:39:58 AM

itazurakko: But, turns out, she didn't like Korean food so was eating at... Wendy's.  Which was apparently still expensive at the time.

/I like Wendy's, in the US
//I will say local variations of original US fast food chains are interesting too
///too bad we can't reverse import to the US!


You try to open up a Lotteria in the USA and sell kimchi burgers and I will hunt you down and force-feed you beondaegi until you choke.
 
2013-05-09 01:45:32 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: ciberido: /Now I'm hungry for gazpacho for some reason.

go back to Russia!


25.media.tumblr.com
There's something about gazpacho soup you should know.
 
2013-05-09 01:59:55 AM

juvandy: Note- I'm not talking about sriracha, but the real concentrated chili sauce that is usually just sitting on the table with the salt and pepper.


This?:

www.hotsauce.com
 
2013-05-09 02:25:22 AM

big pig peaches: If I ordered pho at a Chinese restaurant, would that be faux pho?


t2.gstatic.com Definitely some special sauce in that bowl.
 
2013-05-09 02:28:06 AM
the roasted chili paste is the way to go.
regular is only barely acceptable (to me).

3.bp.blogspot.com

some of this and some hoisin in the broth is a matter of taste (i like a little)

but i put this in the little bowl provided and dip the meat into it.

then, the ideal bite is the spoon full of some noodles, basil, bean sprout (for texture), broth and dipped meat.
 
2013-05-09 02:31:12 AM
I started doing CrossFit about a month and a half ago. I really enjoy the challenge of the workouts and have had some really good results in the 50 days or so that I've been going. I've cut fat, put on lean muscle, and generally, feel a hell of a lot better about myself.

As much as I love the workouts, I hate how much the "Paleo" diet is pushed. Every day I go in to work out, someone else asks me "have you stopped consuming dairy?" "do you know that legumes will keep your weight up?" "did you know that grilled ground turkey and cale is a great dinner?" The answers to these questions in order is always: no, big deal, no it's not.

Never before have I seen a group of people so dedicated to eating nothing but grilled chicken or beef and steamed vegetables for every meal. No milk. No peanuts. No beans. No rice. No grains.

I'm sure that some of these people have seen some great results with a diet like that. But there is no way I'm going to reduce my diet to just a few foods, especially given the fact that I'm seeing results without doing so. Besides, I like milk.

/eat what you want
 
2013-05-09 02:31:36 AM

amquelbettamin: Only eats Pho from food trucks:

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We're gonna need a bigger food truck.
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2013-05-09 04:26:14 AM

whatshisname: xopher.tm: VivianVivisect: fartacus: VivianVivisect: It's actually pronounced "Fa"

Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".

FA!!!

"Fuh?" With a rise at the end like a question.
 
Or so the elderly Vietnamese men behind the counter tell me. They could be wrong I guess.

The 'u' is pronounced like the 'u' in 'fur' not 'bus' and there is an inflection on the end. It's like a British person asking "Fur?"


Hehe
 
2013-05-09 04:31:07 AM

ciberido: fartacus: VivianVivisect: fartacus: VivianVivisect: It's actually pronounced "Fa"

Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".

FA!!!

Fuh you!!!

http://www.lovingpho.com/pho-opinion-editorial/how-to-pronounce-pho/

Begun, the pho wars have.


Beautiful
 
2013-05-09 05:36:53 AM

cannotsuggestaname: STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE!


ARGH!


Stop banging on to me about things you like because you are a hipster when I cannot see the attraction and forcing me to go through the experience when I don`t like it!

Argh!
 
2013-05-09 05:42:39 AM

Kubo: I started doing CrossFit about a month and a half ago. I really enjoy the challenge of the workouts and have had some really good results in the 50 days or so that I've been going. I've cut fat, put on lean muscle, and generally, feel a hell of a lot better about myself.

As much as I love the workouts, I hate how much the "Paleo" diet is pushed. Every day I go in to work out, someone else asks me "have you stopped consuming dairy?" "do you know that legumes will keep your weight up?" "did you know that grilled ground turkey and cale is a great dinner?" The answers to these questions in order is always: no, big deal, no it's not.

Never before have I seen a group of people so dedicated to eating nothing but grilled chicken or beef and steamed vegetables for every meal. No milk. No peanuts. No beans. No rice. No grains.

I'm sure that some of these people have seen some great results with a diet like that. But there is no way I'm going to reduce my diet to just a few foods, especially given the fact that I'm seeing results without doing so. Besides, I like milk.

/eat what you want


I follow this plan also. I eat when I feel hungry, exercise and try to avoid eating if I am not hungry. I do not have a `dinnertime`

Works for me.
 
HKW
2013-05-09 05:45:53 AM

itazurakko: whatshisname: HKW: I *hate* asian food

And you're in Vietnam? Damn.
Just got back from Cambodia and Laos and the food was incredible. I am still sweating lemongrass.

I spent a vacation week in Korea in 1991.  I was pretty poor at the time, so was happy to find some bargains of various kinds (Korea was still pretty cheap, not so long after the military government and all that). I was even lucky enough to find some old people who could help me out of a pinch when I got lost, speaking Japanese (I know) and not hate me, I was thankful.

Anyway.

At one very cheap hostel I was staying at for a few days I ran into a white American woman who was living in Seoul, not just on cheap backpacking vacation like myself.  She complained about how food was expensive. Me, being naive, thought maybe she just didn't know? and so mentioned that I had gotten fortunate and met a local backpacker sort of guy (young guy this time, studying Japanese, so happy to talk to me and not hate me, again, I was happy) who took me to some small restaurants nearby and told me the names of some food we had so I can order it again (I can read some hangul but don't actually speak Korean) which I liked, including the sundubu mentioned upthread, good stuff. So hey, yeah you know there's this place near here with lots of cheap restaurants you should try it it's cheap? Cheap, main thing.

But, turns out, she didn't like Korean food so was eating at... Wendy's.  Which was apparently still expensive at the time.

/I like Wendy's, in the US
//I will say local variations of original US fast food chains are interesting too
///too bad we can't reverse import to the US!



Yea, I wanted to get to Malaysia and try the Chili cheese pasta dish they have at Wendy's there...  One of the reverse benny's I am bring back to the states is the tangy ketchup they serve at KFC here in 'nam..   I love the extra vinegary kick..  Vietnam can keep its seafood pizzas @ Pizza hut/dominos.
 
2013-05-09 06:27:45 AM

Chevello: MindStalker: EvilEgg: I get where the author is coming from.  I have heard of pho, but I have never actually eaten it.  From the people who talk about it, I expect to emulate Meg Ryan in her famous diner scene if I ever get around to eating it.

Its really not "that" great. What I love about it is simply that its super cheap. Imagine if you will ramen noodles made at home (well except these are rice noodles), with some cheap flank stake thrown in and some herbs. Nothing special at all, but its filling and super cheap, perfect college food.

Except that it's 5 bucks, and Ramen noodles are four for a dollar at the store.

\who needs protein?


Sorry I mean it's the cheaper sit sit down restaurant food. Obviously expensive compared to home food.
 
2013-05-09 08:13:42 AM

itazurakko: /I like Wendy's, in the US
//I will say local variations of original US fast food chains are interesting too
///too bad we can't reverse import to the US!


The non-beef McDonalds in India are interesting. It's veg or paneer or chicken everything.
The local version of KFC in Guatemala, Pollo Campero is pretty good, too.
Whenever I travel for a long time, the first thing I get when I'm back in Canada is a good burger.
 
2013-05-09 10:23:49 AM

Orange-Pippin: That looks delicious. Now that is a soup.


Oh man, the coconut milk and chili oil and noodles and...  god, it's good.

jigger: I pass by that place daily. I'll have to stop in one day. Looks awesome.


The Food Editor of Washingtonian Magazine is married to a musical colleague and dear friend of mine.  Here's their review, and note that while it is a Top 100 restaurant, it's also one of their Cheap Eats picks.  You'll stuff your face with laksa (which also can come with chicken or beef and always: your choice of three types of noodle) for well under ten bucks.  The bowl is as big as my head, it's a lot of food.  Try to finish it, though: it doesn't do well in the fridge overnight, the noodles go mushy.

http://www.washingtonian.com/restaurantreviews/100-best-restaurants- 20 08-malaysia-kopitiam.php

Do go, enjoy, and let me know what you think!  EIP
 
2013-05-09 12:48:30 PM

OgreMagi: My roommate is a pho fanatic. I've tried to like it, going to several different pho shops, but I've come to the conclusion that it will always taste like crap.  No surprise since making it involves using parts of an animal that is best thrown in the garbage.


I always order it without tendon, just beef slices.  I usually make it at home though, so it's exactly to my tastes.
/loooooove cilantro
 
2013-05-09 12:57:05 PM
Peki:

maxheck: What I made for dinner:

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I would never make it as a foodie. I like eating too much.

See, I'm not sure I see the diff between that and chicken noodle soup. Is this a hipster thing I'm not getting?

/will laugh her butt off if that actually is chicken noodle


Better grab hold of your buns, hon...
 
2013-05-09 12:58:54 PM

itazurakko: bborchar: Yeah, living in Japan I fell in love with all of the street stalls and small restaurants (even Yoshinoya made a decent late night meal if I wanted something cheap).  I will say that Japanese food (like many asian foods) took me a little while to get used to, though- but when I did, it was so much better than the greasy stuff you find in the US.  And now I have to make my own food, since good asian restaurants here are few and far between- I want to go to NYC again when I'm NOT pregnant and dying of nausea, lol.  You can't beat a good dashi stock for ramen.

Potluck parties.  It's the only way to get Japanese home cooking (or really Japanese any kind of food around where I am - some places pretend, but they're not real).  It's funny, new people to the group come over, and are wondering why in the heck most events involve food at someone's house.  A few months in, they understand...

I've never been to Vietnam but I have had pho in restaurants run by Vietnamese people, usually right next to the supermarket where I would take my luck and buy some random cassette tapes of Vietnamese pop songs for $1.50 (all recorded in Westminster, natch).

Speaking of which... something else I miss from those supermarkets was a sort of dessert, pounded rice cake outside and pounded mung beans filling (so, YELLOW) paste inside.  It was usually a rectangular "sandwich" of the stuff, wrapped in plastic (so you can see the filling on the sides, not a round ball like similar Japanese desserts).  Anyway, I started eating that because I missed mochi with anko in it, this is slightly different but definitely in the same zone and great.  Now of course I wish I knew what it's called.

Appropriating heathen that I am, I would eat that stuff with green tea...


I know exactly what you are talking about, but I can't remember the name of them to save my life.  My favorite was the mochi with the brown dust on it- but I can't remember what the dust was.  My favorite dessert there was the Haagen Dasz green tea ice cream.  I have been dying for some lately, but the nearest store that has it is 250 miles away :/  I'm trying to decide between the authentic japanese restaurant and the authentic chinese restaurant for mother's day- probably will do the chinese restaurant, because I want to taste their sichuan menu.
 
2013-05-09 01:05:37 PM

bborchar: My favorite was the mochi with the brown dust on it- but I can't remember what the dust was.


The brown dust is 黄粉(kinako). Soybean dust, basically.

Those mung bean Vietnamese desserts, I gotta just go try to explain it at the market and see if someone knows... I haven't seen them anywhere just on the shelf, but maybe I'll get lucky.  The place I used to buy them was in California, at lots of markets and bakeries but it was in a Vietnamese majority area.
 
2013-05-09 01:17:03 PM
Two minor rants:

There is no such thing as butterfish. Travel in SE asia, and you will encounter a heck of a lot of "butterfish."

It's catfish. And in my experience, it can be yummy as heck. But usually it is a gamy, bottom-sucking fish from the Mekong or the Irrawaddy or whatever. Occasionally, it's a pretty stinky and awful fish. At it's best (and it has a high best) it's quite nice on rice. But there is no such thing as butterfish. I can get that stuff deep-fried in the US as "Lake Trout."

Then there's (tying in to the OP) KFC's in Saigon.

The one I went to smelled pretty strongly of butterfish. After exploding at both ends with common traveller's ailments, I wanted something schlocky and comfortable, so I sought out the KFC.

Don't go to the Saigon KFC. Just saying.
 
2013-05-09 01:17:35 PM

bborchar: My favorite dessert there was the Haagen Dasz green tea ice cream.  I have been dying for some lately, but the nearest store that has it is 250 miles away :/


Use teh Googles, there's lots of recipes for homemade Green Tea Ice cream.  I make some every summer.  You just need a tin of green tea powder:

www.sleepwarrior.com
 
2013-05-09 03:21:15 PM
How is pho a hipster food anyway?  It's not hard to like, it's fairly inexpensive, and doesn't require the wearing of skinny jeans or a handlebar mustache...
 
2013-05-09 03:46:51 PM

hubiestubert: So get something you do like. It's food, it's not rocket science.

I grew up in the South, and I despise okra. It's like eating a slimy eyebrow, but if folks like it, more power to them. If you are so worried about what people think about your food likes and dislikes, maybe you shouldn't eat in public. Or maybe get over your damn selves.


I'm from TX, never have been able to stand boiled/steamed okra.

It's really good fried, though..
 
2013-05-09 06:23:28 PM
Yep, Pho sucks. I'm married to a Cambodian who loves it, and that is fine by me as well, personal taste and all. If she wants some, she can go get it with her friends and family. To me is isn't good and is a waste of $ for what you get; I call it dish water soup for the obvious reason that that's what the flavor and content generally equals.

Pardon me now, I need to go smoke my brined pork loin (Canadian bacon), smoke my Tasso ham after I dredge in marjoram and pepepr and bottle some pickles. Smoking and curing, Charcuterie FTW!
 
2013-05-09 06:46:39 PM

Percise1: dish water soup for the obvious reason that that's what the flavor and content generally equals.


Hmm. Have you tried cilantro and / or do you think cilantro tastes like soap? I'm guessing that's the issue. Try it again but have them omit that spice, if you feel up to it. I love cilantro, but a lot of people state that it tastes like dish soap to them (and in large quantities, kinda does to me too). Similar to aspartame: I can't stand the aftertaste of it, but I know people (like my father) who can't tell the difference between a regular and diet soda.

/CSS: That trick usually leads my dad to hand me his soda and ask me to test it for him, as he's diabetic.
//had some humorous results one day when I assumed he wanted me to test it for the diet/regular difference, only to find that instead of Diet Coke, they put Dr. Pepper (blech! Dublin stuff is the only stuff I could tolerate, and now I has a sad)
 
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