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(Seattle Weekly)   Confessions of a pho hater in Seattle. "Disowning pho is like telling a vegan how much you love KFC"   (seattleweekly.com) divider line 503
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2013-05-08 08:19:18 PM

brap: That's great, um, maybe you should order something else.  Like something you enjoy.   *ten minutes of awkward silence*

What do you want a gold star sticker?


i286.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-08 08:20:34 PM
Vietnamese wife...homemade pho is awesome.
 
2013-05-08 08:22:45 PM

bborchar: Yeah, living in Japan I fell in love with all of the street stalls and small restaurants (even Yoshinoya made a decent late night meal if I wanted something cheap).  I will say that Japanese food (like many asian foods) took me a little while to get used to, though- but when I did, it was so much better than the greasy stuff you find in the US.  And now I have to make my own food, since good asian restaurants here are few and far between- I want to go to NYC again when I'm NOT pregnant and dying of nausea, lol.  You can't beat a good dashi stock for ramen.


Potluck parties.  It's the only way to get Japanese home cooking (or really Japanese any kind of food around where I am - some places pretend, but they're not real).  It's funny, new people to the group come over, and are wondering why in the heck most events involve food at someone's house.  A few months in, they understand...

I've never been to Vietnam but I have had pho in restaurants run by Vietnamese people, usually right next to the supermarket where I would take my luck and buy some random cassette tapes of Vietnamese pop songs for $1.50 (all recorded in Westminster, natch).

Speaking of which... something else I miss from those supermarkets was a sort of dessert, pounded rice cake outside and pounded mung beans filling (so, YELLOW) paste inside.  It was usually a rectangular "sandwich" of the stuff, wrapped in plastic (so you can see the filling on the sides, not a round ball like similar Japanese desserts).  Anyway, I started eating that because I missed mochi with anko in it, this is slightly different but definitely in the same zone and great.  Now of course I wish I knew what it's called.

Appropriating heathen that I am, I would eat that stuff with green tea...
 
2013-05-08 08:23:59 PM

Gawdzila: Soup is so flippin' wonderful.


Hell yeah.  Soup is probably my favorite and default thing to eat - if I make it at home usually it's halfway to stew though.  I'm lazy, so I'm all about making a vat of some sort of soup on the weekend and doling it out for lunch all week. Mmmm.
 
2013-05-08 08:26:05 PM

ciberido: /And don't get me started on "chipotle" and "voilà."


I live in L.A. with street names like Sepulveda (it's se-PUL-vehdah, not seh-pul-VEE-da), and La Jolla (La Hoya, not like La Jollies or La Holla, said faux-cheerleader style). Jack 'n the Box helped with the chipotle pronunciations, so I rarely hear "chipoodle" anymore (not a dog people).

/will admit Asians have some vowel sounds that as a Caucasian I have trouble saying. Background in linguistics helps though, since I understand it's just a mouth shape that English didn't ascribe a letter or sound too (and sometimes it's two sounds for the same letters-- "th" for example).
 
2013-05-08 08:26:45 PM
Oooooohhh!!!! Oooh! Oooooh! Mistah Kottah!

Let's throw RED POSOLE in the mix too:

25.media.tumblr.com

As long as were talkin' soup here...
 
2013-05-08 08:27:52 PM

Deucednuisance: I don't know pho, but if you're ever in DC this soup is the BOMB:

[www.malaysiakopitiam.com image 713x474]

Vegetable Curry Laksa from Malaysia Kopetiam

Try it, you'll like it!


I'm not going to try it; YOU try it!
 
2013-05-08 08:28:47 PM
If for some esoteric reason I opened a Pho restaurant, I would call it the Pho Hammer
 
2013-05-08 08:42:20 PM
What?

<googles?

Oh. It's just a fancy name for chicken noodle soup. £1.80 at the chinese restaurant across the road.
 
2013-05-08 08:42:42 PM

alaric3: Yes, there is a right to an opinion. But who cares? I have a lot of meaningless opinions myself. I don't feel the need to write a full page article  about it. That's narcissism that exceeds the posting pictures of breakfast.


And yet you DO feel the need to write a Fark post about how much you don't care.
 
2013-05-08 08:43:01 PM

tortilla burger: Pho is not a hipster food. It's very much a working man type of food; it's made with relatively common ingredients, there's little in the way of fancy cooking methods or obscure preparations. And pho is exactly the type of thing you'd eat when you're hung over and need something to pick you up. It really doesn't fit the profile of a hipster/foodie favorite


Do you know how I know you completely don't understand the concept of "hipster"?

/hint: hipsters drink Pabst Blue Ribbon.
 
2013-05-08 08:45:35 PM
Pho is awesome.

I mean, I could write an article about how I hate mushrooms. All kinds of mushrooms, every kind. Don't eat them, ever. But other people like mushrooms, and so why would I tell them not to eat mushrooms? That would make me a douchebag.

/Pho is awesome.
 
2013-05-08 08:46:25 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: No one would care if you didn't bleat about it all the time like we're somehow supposed to care.

No one cares.  Get a job. Fiancee doesn't go to school full time, gets a job.  Whatever.

yes, yes, I'm sure you have all the reasons in the world why you can't manage that.

just stop telling us how poor you are.  We don't care.


Some of us might care.  You don't speak for everybody else on Fark, you know.
 
2013-05-08 08:46:32 PM

OniExpress: exick: The only drawback of pho for me is the exorbitant amount of cilantro I have to deal with. Basil, ginger, fish sauce, broth, meat, noodles are all great. And then I get to the farking forest of cilantro. Gorrammit!

First thing I do with pho is fish out the bits of cilantro that are inevitable going to be in it.  It's ok, as seasonings go, but in something lighter flavored like pho it quickly overwhelms any other taste.


No. The first thing you do is tear up basil and saw tooth herb and add chili, lime juice, Hoisin and bean sprouts.
 
2013-05-08 08:48:15 PM

noitsnot: indeebud: hubiestubert: So get something you do like. It's food, it's not rocket science.

I grew up in the South, and I despise okra. It's like eating a slimy eyebrow, but if folks like it, more power to them. If you are so worried about what people think about your food likes and dislikes, maybe you shouldn't eat in public. Or maybe get over your damn selves.

LMAO!!  The most perfect description of okra, EVER.

Bhindi Masala - Okra Curry - no slime


There are a number of vegetables, okra among them, which can taste quite good or really awful depending on how they are cooked.  Eggplant is another good example.
 
2013-05-08 08:52:43 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Peki: Satan's Bunny Slippers: No one would care if you didn't bleat about it all the time like we're somehow supposed to care.No one cares.  Get a job. Fiancee doesn't go to school full time, gets a job.  Whatever.yes, yes, I'm sure you have all the reasons in the world why you can't manage that.just stop telling us how poor you are.  We don't care.

Then ignore me. Fark does give you that ability.

And I repeat it because I don't assume the same people are on the same threads all the time (unlike you I actually don't care who posts what, and take each post as if it were a completely new person unless there's a trail to follow--few exceptions to this are Tats, randomsja, SkinnyHead, Pocket Ninja, etc.), and the same stupid crap keeps getting repeated that proves people have no idea wtf is actually going on in the world around them.

I don't ignore anyone.  And if you don't care who posts what, then why are you replying to me?  Obviously, you do care. And you're looking for attention, so you got some. You also keep repeating the same stupid crap if even I have noticed.  I barely notice anyone, just the real irritants.

Have a nice day.



So, just to be clear, the two of you are arguing about which of you cares LESS?  Have you considered letting  alaric3 in on this action?
 
2013-05-08 08:52:51 PM

ciberido: noitsnot: indeebud: hubiestubert: So get something you do like. It's food, it's not rocket science.

I grew up in the South, and I despise okra. It's like eating a slimy eyebrow, but if folks like it, more power to them. If you are so worried about what people think about your food likes and dislikes, maybe you shouldn't eat in public. Or maybe get over your damn selves.

LMAO!!  The most perfect description of okra, EVER.

Bhindi Masala - Okra Curry - no slime

There are a number of vegetables, okra among them, which can taste quite good or really awful depending on how they are cooked.  Eggplant is another good example.


Yes - eggplant can be like chunks of polystyrene foam. Not easy to make palatable.
 
2013-05-08 08:54:39 PM
what the pho?
i'm lucky enough to live in an area with tons of pho joints, and the 2nd one i tried, years ago, is still the best.
having said that, i have been to probably 10-15 other pho places, and I would probably only get pho at 2 or 3 of those places again.

all pho is not good pho.

i visited by brother in northern cal, and he took me to a pho place he thought was good....
it was terrible.
 
2013-05-08 08:56:45 PM

noitsnot: .


The best eggplant I've had was an eggplant casserole. The eggplant part was buried under cheese, sauce, and mushrooms, but that's not important right now.
 
2013-05-08 08:57:17 PM

ciberido: Satan's Bunny Slippers: No one would care if you didn't bleat about it all the time like we're somehow supposed to care.

No one cares.  Get a job. Fiancee doesn't go to school full time, gets a job.  Whatever.

yes, yes, I'm sure you have all the reasons in the world why you can't manage that.

just stop telling us how poor you are.  We don't care.

Some of us might care.  You don't speak for everybody else on Fark, you know.


That's very sweet of you. I hope you aren't traumatized by Fark. :)
 
2013-05-08 09:00:17 PM
i225.photobucket.com

Here's the Austin/Round Rock branch.

/representin'
 
2013-05-08 09:00:48 PM

xopher.tm: VivianVivisect: fartacus: VivianVivisect: It's actually pronounced "Fa"

Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".

FA!!!

"Fuh?" With a rise at the end like a question.
 
Or so the elderly Vietnamese men behind the counter tell me. They could be wrong I guess.


The 'u' is pronounced like the 'u' in 'fur' not 'bus' and there is an inflection on the end. It's like a British person asking "Fur?"
 
2013-05-08 09:03:07 PM
I hate food hipsters, beer snobs etc.  Not the people who enjoy good food and drink simply because they like it, but those that go out of their way to make it seem like they are some sort of gourmet or brewing expert, identifying dozens of flavors from a simple taste, then talking down to you because your selection is not as obscure as theirs.

Those type of people deserve shunned and called out for the douchebags that they are.

I went on a date once to a wine bar located in the basement of a building.  Great atmosphere for a date, dark and candle lit, cozy and intimate.  Anyways, our server speaking in a falsely deep voice, waxed poetic on a number of beer and wine selections.  I asked if they had a immensely popular seasonal beer from a local brewer on tap or in bottle.  He told me that they did not have it, and acted like it was not good enough for the establishment and that I was some sort of heathen for asking.     Now mind you, this is an exceptional local brewery and a point of pride for this major American city.  Same thing for local wines.

Then the hipsters arrived and ruined the intimate atmoshpere and turned the place into a typical, loud, friday night meat market type bar.  I really wanted to like the place.
 
2013-05-08 09:03:14 PM

whatshisname: The 'u' is pronounced like the 'u' in 'fur' not 'bus' and there is an inflection on the end. It's like a British person asking "Fur?"


That's helpful. Thanks!
 
2013-05-08 09:11:06 PM

Peki: whatshisname: The 'u' is pronounced like the 'u' in 'fur' not 'bus' and there is an inflection on the end. It's like a British person asking "Fur?"

That's helpful. Thanks!


You can hear it here, about midway down the page http://www.lovingpho.com/pho-opinion-editorial/how-to-pronounce-pho/
 
2013-05-08 09:16:14 PM

itazurakko: EViLTeW: It's funny that so many people get stuck on the author's dislike of pho and ignore the point where the reason for the dislike is more related to the crazy-ass pho cult that insists she's just ignorant when stating she doesn't like pho.

I get that, for some reason, pho is to hipster foodies as the iphone is to apple fanboys.  Both may be decent, but the cult surrounding them makes them much less appealing.

Personally I haven't run into the pho cult, but I am definitely not a fan of the "foodie" set. "oh, you're ordering THAT? You should totally try one of these other 4 things that are also really good here" "last time I came here the chef made it for me special" "you're ordering the same thing you got last time??? you really should have this other thing" "oh can I try part of your order?" "wow this [whatever] is outstanding today, it's better than usual, here you HAVE to try this!" or worse yet "oh yeah this is pretty good but it's nothing compared to [restaurant in some other city] you really need to eat there, the chef is really awesome" etc etc etc and then of course taking photos of his lunch.

Just EAT IT already and shut up!!



They actually did a study and found that people who second-guess (or get persuaded by someone else at the table to change) their orders at restaurants are actually less satisfied with their meal than people who simply order something and eat it.  So, scientifically speaking, if there's something you see on the menu that catches your eye, you should stick with it and ignore any advice you get.

That's not to say you shouldn't ever ask for advice or try new things, by the way, but never, ever, order something other than what you really feel like eating because you think you SHOULD.
 
2013-05-08 09:17:45 PM

itazurakko: Gawdzila: Soup is so flippin' wonderful.

Hell yeah.  Soup is probably my favorite and default thing to eat - if I make it at home usually it's halfway to stew though.  I'm lazy, so I'm all about making a vat of some sort of soup on the weekend and doling it out for lunch all week. Mmmm.


Oh, you're in good company. My sister used to laugh at me because when I'm sick, I don't want canned soup or soup from wherever. I'll spend an hour and make my own, just the way I like it.
 
2013-05-08 09:29:54 PM

ciberido: They actually did a study and found that people who second-guess (or get persuaded by someone else at the table to change) their orders at restaurants are actually less satisfied with their meal than people who simply order something and eat it.  So, scientifically speaking, if there's something you see on the menu that catches your eye, you should stick with it and ignore any advice you get.


Interesting. The fiancé is notoriously insecure about making decisions, and out of all the times we've eaten out (been together 3 1/2 years), it's only been a handful of times that he's preferred his dish over mine--we do "bite for bite" trades so we can try stuff without being stuck with a dish we don't like. I've wondered if that was pathological, as it's way too regular to be coincidence. (He has loosened up over time, as I've convinced him to chill; not every decision requires contemplation as if it were life and death)

/to contrast, I use a flow-chart-style decision making process, which allows me to make decisions based on the fewest criteria. I'm rarely unhappy with any decision, food or otherwise.

I've seen other studies too, with regards to car buying and elections, that show that single- or few-issue decision makers tend to be happier in the long run with their choices than those who pore themselves over details trying to make the best choice.
 
2013-05-08 09:36:41 PM
Pho is chicken soup. Chicken soup is quintessential american. To hate pho is to be unamerican!
 
2013-05-08 09:39:43 PM

JohnBigBootay: It's time to face the music, Seattleites. Pho is awful. Can we please stop pretending it isn't?

Meh. As many have said, there's no accounting for personal taste. We can stipulate that everyone's are different - no sense in discussing that any further. This chump isn't talking about personal taste - he's making an absolute judgement about something that he doesn't care for yet millions of other people absolutely love. So, he's just farking wrong - next question.


Maybe, but if so, the author is no more wrong (and no less obnoxious) than her friends who keep trying to get her to try it.
 
2013-05-08 09:44:24 PM
I hate pho

bzzzzztt first make the case why anybody beside yourself should give more than a finger as to what you hate, love, or fondle.
 
2013-05-08 09:48:24 PM
I am a Colombian/Italian/French bastard from New Orleans. My wife is a Colombian chef, trained under a Swiss Cordon Bleue Chef in Colombia and her thoughts on Cilantro is that it is to be used sparingly, never cooked in the dish, but added to the personal taste of the consumer, and never more than a teaspoon.  Unlike in the US where they use it handfulls, which makes it nasty.

1. Okra is what makes a gumbo a gumbo, otherwise it is nasty, but it is a perfect element in gumbo.  If it does not have it is not gumbo.

2. Plenty of places to get pho since East New Orleans is little Vietnam.

3. Ya Ka Mein we have, and have had for years before the Pho Fad, in Louisiana we frown on food hipsters, tradition is tradition.  They cannot decide whether Ya Ka Mein is from our old China Town, or what African american vets brought back from korea.
 
2013-05-08 09:49:23 PM
Pizza sucks, too. I mean, it is just bread with a bunch of salty toppings.
 
2013-05-08 09:51:34 PM

Corvus: For all you anti-hipster food people luckily you don't know about Bahn-mi yet!!!


We do NOW.
 
HKW
2013-05-08 09:52:14 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Love pho.

Only recently found out from a Vietnamese friend that I've been mispronouncing it for 20 years.

The cedilla over the "o" and the little tail on the "o" makes it a very soft sound.  I still don't think I'm getting it properly, but as close as my Caucasian mouth can get it's not "fo" (rhyming with "go") but rather more like "fhaa"


I am in Vietnam now, and enjoying the replies.   seriously!
twas at Pho24 last night.   I dont know what they make in seattle, but real Pho (pronounced fuuh), in my case Pho Ga (chicken Pho), was farking awesome.  Just lots of chicken with light noodles in a herbed chicken broth.  you can add sauces if you want but why?

Plan on going back for lunch today..  Might snap some pics
 
2013-05-08 09:53:44 PM
Went to RTFA to find out WTF Pho is. Lost interest and still don't know or care.  Apparently, a lot of Farkers have an opinion on the matter though.
 
2013-05-08 09:57:33 PM

cranked: Rik01: I've had some awful food that folks rave about

You don't drink, don't smoke - what do you do?


Sudden innuendos, must be somethin;' inside.
 
HKW
2013-05-08 09:58:48 PM

FrancoFile: It's not real pho unless it's made by someone who had to escape from South Vietnam after the fall of Saigon.

One of the great things about living in Northern VA in the 90s was great pho in every neighborhood.


The folks who couldnt escape to get there make a mean dish of Pho here in Ho Chi Minh city.  Pho24.co.vn
 
2013-05-08 09:59:45 PM
theflatline:

1. Okra is what makes a gumbo a gumbo, otherwise it is nasty, but it is a perfect element in gumbo.  If it does not have it is not gumbo.

I know a few people who think okra tastes good but can't get past the mucilage.

I love it fried, pickled, and stewed with tomatoes and onions.
 
2013-05-08 10:02:46 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Only recently found out from a Vietnamese friend that I've been mispronouncing it for 20 years.


daleblanshan.com

♫ Phở, a long, long way to run ♫
 
2013-05-08 10:10:10 PM
ciberido: Corvus: For all you anti-hipster food people luckily you don't know about Bahn-mi yet!!!
 
We do NOW.

Vietnamese fast food?  That's how my (Vietnamese) wife describes it.

It's interesting to watch everyday stuff like food turn into something hipsterish enough that people argue in newspapers over whether it's cool to hate it.  It's interesting because it's become something I don't even think about when I eat it.

It's also interesting because so many people use trendy food to try to show off how cultured they are, even though most of them don't even know how to ask where the bathroom is in Vietnamese.
 
2013-05-08 10:10:57 PM

icam: theflatline:

1. Okra is what makes a gumbo a gumbo, otherwise it is nasty, but it is a perfect element in gumbo.  If it does not have it is not gumbo.

I know a few people who think okra tastes good but can't get past the mucilage.

I love it fried, pickled, and stewed with tomatoes and onions.


Oh, and this stuff is like crack:
showmeeats.files.wordpress.com
 
HKW
2013-05-08 10:20:05 PM

Nick Nostril: Went to RTFA to find out WTF Pho is. Lost interest and still don't know or care.  Apparently, a lot of Farkers have an opinion on the matter though.


Well, go to www.pho24.com.vn & check out the menu
(note to self, click the ENGLISH tab in the upper right)

Best to view the real thing and not some amalgamation created by a Cambodian pretending to be Vietnamese in the US..

That is a Vietnamese franchise that recently opened here in Ho Chi Minh, and is doing great business.  I *hate* asian food, but that Chicken Pho is awesome..   (thank god for KFC, Pizza hut, Dominos, Burger king)  This is one of only 10 countries in the world without McDonalds BTW.
 
2013-05-08 10:23:19 PM

orbister: What?

<googles?

Oh. It's just a fancy name for chicken noodle soup. £1.80 at the chinese restaurant across the road.


0.848/10 Chicken is not the meat you will be offered. Think cowmeat. Try a real google.
 
2013-05-08 10:25:37 PM

Kevin72: The Pho Tai in Vietnam costs typically just about a dollar give or take about 3000 dong.


NTTAWWT
 
2013-05-08 10:31:22 PM

HKW: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Love pho.

Only recently found out from a Vietnamese friend that I've been mispronouncing it for 20 years.

The cedilla over the "o" and the little tail on the "o" makes it a very soft sound.  I still don't think I'm getting it properly, but as close as my Caucasian mouth can get it's not "fo" (rhyming with "go") but rather more like "fhaa"

I am in Vietnam now, and enjoying the replies.   seriously!
twas at Pho24 last night.   I dont know what they make in seattle, but real Pho (pronounced fuuh), in my case Pho Ga (chicken Pho), was farking awesome.  Just lots of chicken with light noodles in a herbed chicken broth.  you can add sauces if you want but why?

Plan on going back for lunch today..  Might snap some pics


Was it the Pho24 near Ben Thanh where Bill Clinton once dined?
 
2013-05-08 10:33:18 PM

HKW: I *hate* asian food


And you're in Vietnam? Damn.
Just got back from Cambodia and Laos and the food was incredible. I am still sweating lemongrass.
 
2013-05-08 10:33:48 PM
Regardless of whether you like pho or not, I don't understand why almost every Vietnamese place in America makes it their marquee dish. I've been in Vietnam for 6 weeks and have eaten pho maybe twice. There are many other Vietnamese dishes that are probably better.
 
2013-05-08 10:36:34 PM
Anyone post Jimmy Chiu yet?

http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=NvhEPc2ABIk

What is your name?
Phuc Dat Bich
What an interesting name!
 
2013-05-08 10:38:38 PM

ciberido: They actually did a study and found that people who second-guess (or get persuaded by someone else at the table to change) their orders at restaurants are actually less satisfied with their meal than people who simply order something and eat it.  So, scientifically speaking, if there's something you see on the menu that catches your eye, you should stick with it and ignore any advice you get.


That only happens when you are in a state of wondering if the first choice would have been better.  Having trusted people give you advice or having a really excellent second selection eliminates that second-guessing.  If people give you a bad or iffy recommendation that leaves you wondering, cut them.  Pretty soon you are dining only with friends of good culinary taste.
 
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