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(Seattle Weekly)   Confessions of a pho hater in Seattle. "Disowning pho is like telling a vegan how much you love KFC"   (seattleweekly.com) divider line 503
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2013-05-08 05:18:03 PM

noitsnot: Also - Kimchi Jjigae:

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Love it!


I had Kimchi for breakfast today--Chopped it up and added it to cream cheese and ate it on toast.  Yum.
 
But not quite as good as doing the same trick to umeboshi.
 
2013-05-08 05:20:15 PM
Also, pho (which is indeed pronounced as an English toff might start the word "fart"...) is best accompanied in my opinion with a splash or two of nuoc maam.

This is probably as close as can be got to the lost, and arguably more disgusting, Roman fish sauce garum.
 
It is delicious and revolting. If a fish had fingernails and a scrotum and scratched the latter with the former after a half-marathon running through hippie lesbian communes, it would taste like that.
 
I won't eat pho without it. I'm using a few dashes in a stir fry tonight. It's the Fernet-Branca of condiments. It either induces gagging or sighs of pleasure. Very little room for a middle ground.
 
2013-05-08 05:20:42 PM

Attention Whore of Babylon: Via Infinito: hubiestubert: So get something you do like. It's food, it's not rocket science.

I grew up in the South, and I despise okra. It's like eating a slimy eyebrow, but if folks like it, more power to them. If you are so worried about what people think about your food likes and dislikes, maybe you shouldn't eat in public. Or maybe get over your damn selves.

OMG I laughed SO HARD. You're right. I'm from AL and have always hated boiled okra too.

If it's that slimy, it's overcooked.  Blanch the whole pod for 3-4 minutes, drain, slice, mix with tomatoes and onions, cook until everything is tender...that's good eatin'.  But yeah, overcooked okra is nasty.


FTFM
 
2013-05-08 05:22:56 PM

OscarTamerz: Pho sucks, it's for the tards who were actually stupid enough to eat ramen and like it.

[www.xuvn.com image 648x486]

Banh cuon is the food of the gods.  If you're ever in The OC go to little Saigon and get yourself some.  It's like a super good and flavorful Vietnamese enchilada.


We call those intra familia "alien fetus pods". We enjoy alternating dipping the peanut sauce with the nuoc maam. I like the crispy fried version, too. That and a bowl of No. 6 will fix ya.
 
Our local:
 
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2013-05-08 05:24:50 PM

EViLTeW: It's funny that so many people get stuck on the author's dislike of pho and ignore the point where the reason for the dislike is more related to the crazy-ass pho cult that insists she's just ignorant when stating she doesn't like pho.

 
I get that, for some reason, pho is to hipster foodies as the iphone is to apple fanboys.  Both may be decent, but the cult surrounding them makes them much less appealing.
 
I get what the author is saying regarding food fandom-- I feel the same way about the whole bacon obsession, though I actually like bacon, just not on everything, and I'm not going to fry up a pound of it and just eat that because BACON!
 
She's no less annoying than the people she is complaining about, and she's actually claiming that noodle soup is difficult to eat. If it bothers her so much, perhaps she could go out to eat with less insufferable friends and then everybody wins.
 
2013-05-08 05:25:20 PM

Gonz: I had pho for lunch today- yes, with added Sriracha- so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

//From Trader Joe's, too.


It would have been cooler if you were drinking a Pina Colada at Trader Vics...and you hair was perfect. 

/aawoooooooooo
 
2013-05-08 05:25:43 PM
why would you compare Korean Tofu Soup to PHO? why?
 
2013-05-08 05:25:53 PM

MBooda: [arthurhungry.com image 350x263]
/...please

 
yay!   leaving satisfied
 
2013-05-08 05:25:56 PM

Deucednuisance: I don't know pho, but if you're ever in DC this soup is the BOMB:

 
[www.malaysiakopitiam.com image 713x474]
 
Vegetable Curry Laksa from Malaysia Kopetiam
 
Try it, you'll like it!
 
That looks delicious. Now that is a soup.
 
2013-05-08 05:26:24 PM

factoryconnection: "I don't like it because it's just bland noodles and sort-of salty broth. Seriously, that's it. I really think you guys think it's much more than that. Yes, I realize it usually has meat and some weird veggies in it, but bean sprouts and Thai basil also aren't that good..."

I figured before reading that it would come down to the writer not liking basil, or cilantro, or ginger, or fish sauce.  If you don't like the herbs and spices they use in the broth, assuming it was a place that had good broth, then you won't like the food.

brap: That's great, um, maybe you should order something else.

Yeah, considering that most pho places also have banh mi, and if you don't like banh mi I don't know what you're looking for in life.


The problem is, I hate Thai basil and cilantro, main parts of both dishes.  Hence, the hate.  Otherwise, I pretty much like anything.
 
2013-05-08 05:28:37 PM

fartacus: Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".


Yep- and for the folks in DC, Froggy Bottom Pub (2142 Pennsylvania, NW) has GREAT Pho. The owners are Vietnamese, and it's cheap, homemade deliciousness.
 
2013-05-08 05:31:49 PM

Kanemano: [fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net image 850x637] Pho from the best place in Hanoi, open since 1945, unmatched in the states, cost $2.50


the very first pho place i went to in the SF bay area 10 years ago was a small mom and pop place, $4 pho, very quick and very good... definitely miss it.  nowadays i can find good pho for $8, most recently tried somewhere with unusually thick cuts of steak/brisket that was pretty damn good.. unfortunately they botch the spring rolls there, very hard to find a place that does everything well. so yeah, enjoy your $2.50 pho for me man haha
 
as for the blogger, no one cares you don't like it, your loss, no need to shout for attention with your negative opinions. pho is far more than just salty water and noodles, but if you don't like the noodles or the mix of herbs used to flavor the broth then yeah, you're not gonna be thrilled with it, no big deal. I personally love pho because for such a simple base as broth and noodles, you can completely tailor it to your taste with different types of meats (beef, chicken, seafood, meatballs, etc), different types of veggies (onions, bean sprouts, basil, mint, lime), and different types of sauces (sriracha, housin, chili oil). Most people can find a combination they really like, and as a comfort food it's hard to beat on a cold day. And if that still isn't to your taste, try spring rolls, vermicelli bowls, pork sandwiches, and other delicious options.
 
2013-05-08 05:32:01 PM
Meh, pho is okay I guess.  Like this guy said, though, too many people freak out over the stuff.  Watching Anthony Bourdain have an orgasm over it on his show is fairly amusing.
 
/prefer Pad Thai
 
2013-05-08 05:32:32 PM
If in Denver and looking for good pho, go to Pho Duy or Pho Duy 2.
 
2013-05-08 05:34:03 PM

show me: I first had pho almost 20 years ago and have absolutely loved it ever since. I can understand why some people don't, but it really is about figuring just how much of each additive/sauce you like. Damn, I just ate lunch and I'm getting hungry just thinking about it.


So you liked it before it was cool!... That is so awesome!
 
2013-05-08 05:38:11 PM
I discovered Pho.  The Vietnamese claim to have discovered it because they made it... but they don't really get it.
 
2013-05-08 05:42:29 PM
I like the Chinese variant. I think it's called Kung-Pho
 
2013-05-08 05:43:42 PM

OscarTamerz: Pho sucks, it's for the tards who were actually stupid enough to eat ramen and like it.

[www.xuvn.com image 648x486]

Banh cuon is the food of the gods.  If you're ever in The OC go to little Saigon and get yourself some.  It's like a super good and flavorful Vietnamese enchilada.


Oh, look at me!  I hate everything popular.  I am so unique and twee.  Allow me to adjust my hornrim glasses and twirl my ironic mustache!
 
2013-05-08 05:43:45 PM

Orange-Pippin: xopher.tm: The hipsters have latched onto pho. The uber-hipsters have turned against it. And the world continues to turn.
 
Not necessarily. Some of us actually hate the stuff.

 
He writes for the Seattle Weekly.
 
 
I can see disliking a particular noodle soup. 
 
I like it well enough, but I can see how someone might not. 
 
But writing an impassioned piece for the Hipster Times about how much one despises a once-obscure-now-trendy noodle soup is pretty-much purchasing a first class ticket on the Hipster Train.
 
/Having lived in Garden Grove and Westminister in the 90's, I was eating and enjoying Phở before it was cool. I don't eat Phở anymore; too much of a scene. I eat a different Asian noodle soup these days. You probably never heard of it.
 
2013-05-08 05:44:44 PM

ReverendJynxed: Gonz: i upped my meds-up yours: Cilantro is a test of the true foodie. You may have excellent taste, but if the C-receptor gene has passed you by, you can never be one of the elect.

I grow my own cilantro. And, since we don't use pesticides on our vegetable garden, you know what that means?
Homegrown organic cilantro, that's what.

It means it still tastes like soap. Organic, pesticide free soap.


This is a genetic variant.  Some people think it tastes like soap, others don';t.
 
2013-05-08 05:46:05 PM

xopher.tm: I eat a different Asian noodle soup these days. You probably never heard of it.

 
My asian noodle soup is from Canada.
 
2013-05-08 05:46:24 PM

Sultan Of Herf: Gonz: I had pho for lunch today- yes, with added Sriracha- so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

//From Trader Joe's, too.

It would have been cooler if you were drinking a Pina Colada at Trader Vics...and you hair was perfect. 

/aawoooooooooo


Werewolves of London!
 
2013-05-08 05:46:31 PM

Langdon Alger: I'll open my own restaurant:

Fee Fee Fi Fi Pho Pho Yum


get ready
 
2013-05-08 05:46:35 PM
FrancoFile:

maxheck: FrancoFile:

dabbletech: From Wiki: The broth for beef phở is generally made by simmering beef bones, oxtails, flank steak, charred onion, charred ginger and spices. For a more intense flavor, the bones may still have beef on them. Chicken bones also work and produce a similar broth. Seasonings can include Saigon cinnamon or other kinds of cinnamon as alternatives (may use stick or powder), star anise, roasted ginger, roasted onion, black cardamom, coriander seed, fennel seed, and clove. The broth takes several hours to make.[13][14] For chicken phở, only the meat and bones of the chicken are used in place of beef and beef bone. The remaining spices remain the same, but the charred ginger can be omitted, since its function in beef phở is to get rid of the "cow's smell"

Lovely.

You know how I know you've never made stock?

Having a roast chicken carcass burbling away downstairs as I write... Kick, replies...

/ enjoying the rosemary-chickeney smell every time I go downstairs.

See your carcass, raise you the clam risotto I'm making tonight.


Yeah, but you probably didn't make a loaf of egg bread to go with it, and that trumps all. So :P 

/ mmmm... Eggy bread baking smell...
 
2013-05-08 05:47:42 PM
I saw this in Renton a couple months ago; had to go back for a picture!
 
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2013-05-08 05:49:25 PM

Gonz: I had pho for lunch today- yes, with added Sriracha- so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

//From Trader Joe's, too.


Adding Sriracha to pho is for philistines - it masks the flavor of the broth. You're supposed to dip the meat in the sriracha.
 
2013-05-08 05:49:47 PM
And just for the record, I like dim sum better. Been DYING to get out to San Francisco to the best hole in the wall dim sum place I've ever been to.
 
/screw this thread
//it's making me hungry
 
2013-05-08 05:53:11 PM

bborchar: Yeah, I'm not sure how this is much different than making ANY kind of stock.  It takes my chicken stock about 4-5 hours (because I like a really flavorful broth and cook it down), but it's meat+vegetables+spices+time=any kind of stock you make.


It's why "some sort of noodles in a really amazing long-simmering stock" is such a popular street food - it's really only economical to do in huge batches, but if you have high throughput, you can make the stuff really fast and really cheap.  
 
I miss noodle stalls and cheap noodle houses something fierce.  Beats the heck out of standard US "fast food" any day.
 
When it comes to Western food though a good fried chicken and fries is similar too, easy to make lots and cheap and fast if you're making it for hordes at a restaurant or booth and just keep that oil going, but at home, not so much.
 
2013-05-08 05:53:54 PM
Don't blame the Pho, blame the restaurant:
 
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2013-05-08 05:54:07 PM

Skleenar: xopher.tm: I eat a different Asian noodle soup these days. You probably never heard of it.
 
My asian noodle soup is from Canada.


Free-range, grass-fed noodles, no doubt.
 
2013-05-08 05:55:34 PM
Total loser attention whore. In his own words:
"The only reason I have put myself through this experience of eating this awful dish so many times is because of the reaction I get when I tell people that I don't like it."


He's worse than vegetarians saying how icky meat is.
 
2013-05-08 05:55:46 PM

Skleenar: xopher.tm: I eat a different Asian noodle soup these days. You probably never heard of it.
 
My asian noodle soup is from Canada.


Went to some Vietnamese restaurant with pages and pages of different noodle soup, next to the Pacific Mall in Markham.  Had some Vietnamese variant of wonton noodle soup, it was tasty.
 
/that mall has Japanese mascot toy vending machines set up to take $2 coins
//plus places selling kitchen doodads I have a hard time finding locally, so I was happy
 
2013-05-08 05:57:22 PM

fartacus: VivianVivisect: It's actually pronounced "Fa"

Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".


FA!!!
 
2013-05-08 05:59:58 PM

missmez: ReverendJynxed: Gonz: i upped my meds-up yours: Cilantro is a test of the true foodie. You may have excellent taste, but if the C-receptor gene has passed you by, you can never be one of the elect.

I grow my own cilantro. And, since we don't use pesticides on our vegetable garden, you know what that means?
Homegrown organic cilantro, that's what.

It means it still tastes like soap. Organic, pesticide free soap.

This is a genetic variant.  Some people think it tastes like soap, others don';t.


Yeah like a different gene does with the older artificial sweeteners like diet coke and diet pepsi use. Tastes like bitter almonds to people with the cyanide detection gene.The newer artificial sweeteners like coke zero and pepsi max use don't but the old ones are bitter not sweet if you have that gene.
 
2013-05-08 05:59:59 PM
Pho is great!  My favorite place here in my corner of Seattle:  http://www.yelp.com/biz/pho-thy-thy-seattle Don't feel you have to eat every little veggie in there. Pour on the brown sauce, put the basil in there (yum! - the author is really missing out), and gobble down the meat and noodles.  Squeeze the lime into your glass of ice water.  Pho Thy Thy has got a cool fish tank with a manta ray, the service is swift, and they've always been really nice to me.  Another suggestion: just get the regular beef to start with.  I'm really not into the meatballs or tripe or anything.  Keep it simple.
 
2013-05-08 06:00:40 PM

VivianVivisect: fartacus: VivianVivisect: It's actually pronounced "Fa"

Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".

FA!!!


Fuh you!!!
 
http://www.lovingpho.com/pho-opinion-editorial/how-to-pronounce-pho/
 
2013-05-08 06:01:12 PM
If I ordered pho at a Chinese restaurant, would that be faux pho?
 
2013-05-08 06:01:48 PM

VivianVivisect: fartacus: VivianVivisect: It's actually pronounced "Fa"

Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".

FA!!!


"Fuh?" With a rise at the end like a question.
 
Or so the elderly Vietnamese men behind the counter tell me. They could be wrong I guess.
 
2013-05-08 06:03:29 PM

GWSuperfan: fartacus: Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".

Yep- and for the folks in DC, Froggy Bottom Pub (2142 Pennsylvania, NW) has GREAT Pho. The owners are Vietnamese, and it's cheap, homemade deliciousness.


In one of my meetings with the Orange County Register and the OCTA we had a social media luncheon in "Little Siagon" and our coordinator said it's "Fah", he corrected me many times.
 
2013-05-08 06:04:30 PM

Rapmaster2000: OscarTamerz: Pho sucks, it's for the tards who were actually stupid enough to eat ramen and like it.

[www.xuvn.com image 648x486]

Banh cuon is the food of the gods.  If you're ever in The OC go to little Saigon and get yourself some.  It's like a super good and flavorful Vietnamese enchilada.

Oh, look at me!  I hate everything popular.  I am so unique and twee.  Allow me to adjust my hornrim glasses and twirl my ironic mustache!


10 points for working "twee" into it that.
 
2013-05-08 06:04:40 PM
Q: How did the hipster burn his mouth?
A: By eating his pho before it was cool.
 
2013-05-08 06:07:42 PM
 
2013-05-08 06:09:35 PM

special20: Myria: I want to start a restaurant named Phở Q.

Go pho it.


What do you call the line in front of the Pho restaurant?


The Pho queue.
 
2013-05-08 06:09:46 PM

fartacus: Gonz: I had pho for lunch today- yes, with added Sriracha- so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

//From Trader Joe's, too.

Adding Sriracha to pho is for philistines - it masks the flavor of the broth. You're supposed to dip the meat in the sriracha.


Do what you want, but please shut up about what I should do:

1) Get Pho Dac Biet so it has every possible cow part in it (maybe even add a meatball)
2) Shred up the Basil and dump it in
3) All all the Jalepeno slices they gave you - rip them up if they are really big
4) Add a reasonable amount of the Bean Sprouts, if they don't look E-Coli ridden
5) Squeeze a good honk of Lime juice in - taste - repeat but don't go too far
6) Get Sriracha bottle - wipe crust funk off nozzle - hose in a ton (about five circles around the bowl)
7) Taste - add some hoisin if it needs to be a little sweeter
 
2013-05-08 06:10:18 PM
He liked it before it cool

He doesn't like it cuz it's gone mainstream
 
2013-05-08 06:10:35 PM

Rik01: Like Baloot. The Asian delicacy found mainly around Taiwan consisting of fetal ducks brought nearly to full term, then scalded to death in the shell. People who love that abomination like crunching on the little beaks, feathers and feet and slurping down the amniotic fluid they were steamed in.


Ah, so you have no idea what you are even talking about.
 
2013-05-08 06:10:59 PM

Rik01: The guy has a right to his opinion.

I've had some awful food that folks rave about as if it's Gods gift to humanity and been around long enough to understand that people will eat dirt and wax all poetic about it.

I don't care if it takes three days to make that stinky, lumpy, spicy main course. It sucks, IMO, and I think you're an idiot for eating it.

Like Baloot. The Asian delicacy found mainly around Taiwan consisting of fetal ducks brought nearly to full term, then scalded to death in the shell. People who love that abomination like crunching on the little beaks, feathers and feet and slurping down the amniotic fluid they were steamed in.

I know folks who like Limburger Cheese and the foul smell of that stuff makes me wonder what desperate soul actually ate it in the first place instead of tossing it in the nearest volcano.

Then again, folks love Pizza Hut food. I don't consider Pizza Hut Pizza to be actually pizza and haven't yet figured out what the meat pellets are and I'm not actually sure if it's food..

I'm also a bit weary of 'spicy' foods. I don't like foods that might taste good, but you can't tell because the first bite sears the skin off your tongue, melts the enamel on your teeth, turns your stomach into a knotted ball of acid and then you get to brag about how, much later, it peeled the first layer of tissue off your anus when disposing of it.

I had a thing of Red Beans and Rice the other day. One of those heat and eat servings. Nowhere did it mention that the stuff was spicy. The first bite burned out my taste buds, stripped the skin from my mouth, cleaned out my sinuses, seared all of the tarter from my teeth and dumped a volcano-like portion into my stomach.

What little taste I got was good -- it's just that not being a masochist, I didn't figure it was worthwhile being in agony to continue eating it.

I've watched big, burly guys wolf down stuff buried in hot sauce, proclaiming how great it is as their faces turned red, they burst out in r ...


Do we have our own Bourdain on Fark
 
2013-05-08 06:12:00 PM
Never had pho, but it looks and sounds, from the description, tasty.
 
2013-05-08 06:12:39 PM

Twitch Boy: Pho sucks, sriracha sucks, artisanal anything sucks, anything from a food truck sucks.

BIG MAC RULES!

*runs from stampede of foodie hipsters*


1/10.  Too obvious.
 
2013-05-08 06:13:25 PM

noitsnot: hoisin


Speaking of pronounciation: Is this "hoy-zin"? The French in me is too strong, the first time pronounced it "hwa-ZAN", and everyone laughed.
 
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