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2013-05-08 04:32:24 PM  
Russky: ...
Of course i find it really shocking that people will find food less appealing because of other people. I like or dislike something because of my own opinion,  Bizarre that you would even consider other people when thinking about if you find that food appealing.

Come visit me and I will figuratively shove Pho down your throat for a couple weeks and you might understand that shocking phenomenon.

I find it shocking that you don't understand that being (figuratively) forced to do something makes it much less pleasant.  I heard a thing a while back that basically says hell is being made to do the thing you most love all day every day for eternity.
 
2013-05-08 04:32:26 PM  
Pho is OK, but I'm not really a fanboi. There are plenty of Vietnamese dishes I'd rather eat, really.

I wish I was back in Hanoi right now, in fact. You can get an amazing plate of bun bo xao, bun-cha or whatever you want, plus a steaming pile of nem and a tall, cold beer... and pay like $3 or $4 for more deliciousness than you could possibly eat on your hungriest day.
 
2013-05-08 04:32:31 PM  
Man if he hates Pho that much I hope he never tries Bun Bo Hue. Probably kill him.
 
2013-05-08 04:32:44 PM  
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2013-05-08 04:32:47 PM  
Pho sucks, it's for the tards who were actually stupid enough to eat ramen and like it.

www.xuvn.com

Banh cuon is the food of the gods.  If you're ever in The OC go to little Saigon and get yourself some.  It's like a super good and flavorful Vietnamese enchilada.
 
2013-05-08 04:32:50 PM  
FrancoFile:

dabbletech: From Wiki: The broth for beef phở is generally made by simmering beef bones, oxtails, flank steak, charred onion, charred ginger and spices. For a more intense flavor, the bones may still have beef on them. Chicken bones also work and produce a similar broth. Seasonings can include Saigon cinnamon or other kinds of cinnamon as alternatives (may use stick or powder), star anise, roasted ginger, roasted onion, black cardamom, coriander seed, fennel seed, and clove. The broth takes several hours to make.[13][14] For chicken phở, only the meat and bones of the chicken are used in place of beef and beef bone. The remaining spices remain the same, but the charred ginger can be omitted, since its function in beef phở is to get rid of the "cow's smell"

Lovely.

You know how I know you've never made stock?


Having a roast chicken carcass burbling away downstairs as I write... Kick, replies...

/ enjoying the rosemary-chickeney smell every time I go downstairs.
 
2013-05-08 04:35:38 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: Man, who woke up and pissed in this guys bowl of soup?

Pho is awsome, especially when it's rainy and cold.  How could you live in Seattle and not love it, is the question.

You've got to go to the Vietnamese places where there are viet people eating, or you probably getting the cheap stuff.

I like the pho with rare beef on the side; drop it in the hot broth for a few seconds; scoop it up with the rice noodle and vegatables already in the bowl.  But really it's good with chicken, Tofu, or whatever meat you like.

Very good.

"It's time to face the music, Seattleites. Pho is awful. Can we please stop pretending it isn't?"

- Stop liking things I don't like!


Lol, are you being ironic?
 
2013-05-08 04:36:36 PM  

Rik01: The guy has a right to his opinion.

I've had some awful food that folks rave about as if it's Gods gift to humanity and been around long enough to understand that people will eat dirt and wax all poetic about it.

I don't care if it takes three days to make that stinky, lumpy, spicy main course. It sucks, IMO, and I think you're an idiot for eating it.

Like Baloot. The Asian delicacy found mainly around Taiwan consisting of fetal ducks brought nearly to full term, then scalded to death in the shell. People who love that abomination like crunching on the little beaks, feathers and feet and slurping down the amniotic fluid they were steamed in.

I know folks who like Limburger Cheese and the foul smell of that stuff makes me wonder what desperate soul actually ate it in the first place instead of tossing it in the nearest volcano.

Then again, folks love Pizza Hut food. I don't consider Pizza Hut Pizza to be actually pizza and haven't yet figured out what the meat pellets are and I'm not actually sure if it's food..

I'm also a bit weary of 'spicy' foods. I don't like foods that might taste good, but you can't tell because the first bite sears the skin off your tongue, melts the enamel on your teeth, turns your stomach into a knotted ball of acid and then you get to brag about how, much later, it peeled the first layer of tissue off your anus when disposing of it.

I had a thing of Red Beans and Rice the other day. One of those heat and eat servings. Nowhere did it mention that the stuff was spicy. The first bite burned out my taste buds, stripped the skin from my mouth, cleaned out my sinuses, seared all of the tarter from my teeth and dumped a volcano-like portion into my stomach.

What little taste I got was good -- it's just that not being a masochist, I didn't figure it was worthwhile being in agony to continue eating it.

I've watched big, burly guys wolf down stuff buried in hot sauce, proclaiming how great it is as their faces turned red, they burst out in rivers of sweat, guzzled beer by the keg, their blood pressure soared and they produced a grin more like a death spasm to show others how manly they were.

Eskimos love killed, ungutted, small birds crammed in the fat lined skin of a seal and buried for a year in the frozen dirt to 'marinate'. They munch the buggers down feathers and all and you don't want to be down wind when they do.

Some of the best oriental soups I've had probably took the chef 30 minutes to make 10 gallons. The overall flavor was wonderful, the heat of the spices NOT designed to over power everything else and the separate ingredients all had just the right flavor and texture.

Don't forget now, the 'new yuppies' consider it a wonderful ritual to cook up the placenta of their new born child and dine on it with fine wines and close friends. After all, it's natural since animals do it.
Many birds and dogs eat the feces of their young or even their own and THAT'S natural also, but I ain't gonna do it. Elephants have been known to dig in each others arses for a dollop of feces, which they then eat.

Natural also but I prefer not to try it.

Then there's bird spit soup.

I have eaten bulls balls and found them remarkably bland, curiously unsatisfying in texture and the sauce made the meal. I'm not going to run out and buy a batch.

I've had those $5.00 coffees from Starbucks and while good, I actually had better from Mac Donalds for $2.00. A few old time diners (greasy spoon versions) gave me cups of coffee that I'd fight for and slapped down a plate of eggs I'd consider close to the food of the gods.

Usually I figure if the Yuppies and Hipsters like it, I'm probably not going to.

I don't care if thousands rave about a certain food. If it doesn't taste good to me, I aint gonna eat it and I aint gonna promote it.

I've tried some ethnic foods from my ancestry that my relatives raved about and decided they had their taste buds in their arses. Especially home made, old time breads and pastries. (Some of my ancestors never heard of producing a loaf of bread that didn't weigh a ton.)

So, I applaud the author for his candidness. From reading the remarks on the site, almost no one else did.


Welcome to my favorites list. I could listen to you ramble about food opinions all day- you're very entertaining.

I like pho, but I also like many MANY other dishes. It's tasty but not the best thing on the planet (which if you're wondering is the curry-pineapple fried rice with cashews at Chada Thai in midtown Sacramento on 16th st- this stuff is amazing). I crave it occasionally because it's salty and noodley and awesome, provided the broth is good and they have quality fish sauce.

I also don't get the need to write a column about the dislike for it though. I despise peanut butter but you don't see me calling NBC news about it.
 
2013-05-08 04:36:39 PM  
Begun, the pho wars have.....
 
2013-05-08 04:39:44 PM  

IRQ12: EdNortonsTwin: Man, who woke up and pissed in this guys bowl of soup?

Pho is awsome, especially when it's rainy and cold.  How could you live in Seattle and not love it, is the question.

You've got to go to the Vietnamese places where there are viet people eating, or you probably getting the cheap stuff.

I like the pho with rare beef on the side; drop it in the hot broth for a few seconds; scoop it up with the rice noodle and vegatables already in the bowl.  But really it's good with chicken, Tofu, or whatever meat you like.

Very good.

"It's time to face the music, Seattleites. Pho is awful. Can we please stop pretending it isn't?"

- Stop liking things I don't like!

Lol, are you being ironic?


Oh, did I demand you like it?
 
2013-05-08 04:40:24 PM  
There goes my plan to open an artisanal food truck called Foucault's Pho Cult.
 
2013-05-08 04:40:26 PM  
Photoshop these matadors in training
 
2013-05-08 04:41:36 PM  
onelittleworld.zenfolio.com

This place was less than 100 yards from the front door of my hotel in Hanoi. It served me, my wife and my daughter the best dirt-cheap lunch that any of us has ever had.

Viet food porn:
http://onelittleworld.zenfolio.com/p578530885
 
2013-05-08 04:41:53 PM  
It's the Tim Tebow of food
 
2013-05-08 04:43:18 PM  
fark off. Thai basil is awesome.
 
2013-05-08 04:45:25 PM  
So is pho some sort of new discovery for Seattle?
 
2013-05-08 04:46:05 PM  
Sick of trendy food? I am!
 
2013-05-08 04:46:53 PM  
Can't say I've ever had it.

Doesn't sound like I'm missing anything. I'll stick to Thai green curries, Vindaloos, Singapore chow mein and a host of other stuff which tastes of things.

/one taste bud left
 
2013-05-08 04:47:08 PM  

ivan: MBooda: Gonz: I had pho for lunch today- yes, with added Sriracha- so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

//From Trader Joe's, too.

Wow, if it wasn't for the likelihood of getting mugged in TJ's parking lot, I'd pick me up some.


Where is this? In these parts, you mostly run the risk of being sideswiped by somone's handlebar moustache in a TJ parking lot.




Maybe "mugged" was for the petrulli stinking hippies that forcefully shove their way in front of you and want you to sign their petition to help save vegetarian lesbian whales. Here in LA anyway...
 
2013-05-08 04:48:16 PM  

Apos: Pho real, subby?


You just committed a pho pas.
/I know that's not how it's pronounced, but I want to make a bad pun.
 
2013-05-08 04:51:55 PM  

rev. dave: Pho is my 2nd favorite soup behind Tom Kha.  I like both with tofu rather than meat since the meat never ends up tasting all that good.


Pho and Tom Kha are delicious, but Mool Naeng Myun is tops.
 
2013-05-08 04:52:18 PM  

Deucednuisance: I don't know pho, but if you're ever in DC this soup is the BOMB:

[www.malaysiakopitiam.com image 713x474]

Vegetable Curry Laksa from Malaysia Kopetiam

Try it, you'll like it!


I pass by that place daily. I'll have to stop in one day. Looks awesome.
 
2013-05-08 04:52:50 PM  
DC's own Zombie Pho!

foodtruckfiesta.com
 
2013-05-08 04:53:13 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: IRQ12: EdNortonsTwin: Man, who woke up and pissed in this guys bowl of soup?

Pho is awsome, especially when it's rainy and cold.  How could you live in Seattle and not love it, is the question.

You've got to go to the Vietnamese places where there are viet people eating, or you probably getting the cheap stuff.

I like the pho with rare beef on the side; drop it in the hot broth for a few seconds; scoop it up with the rice noodle and vegatables already in the bowl.  But really it's good with chicken, Tofu, or whatever meat you like.

Very good.

"It's time to face the music, Seattleites. Pho is awful. Can we please stop pretending it isn't?"

- Stop liking things I don't like!

Lol, are you being ironic?

Oh, did I demand you like it?


No, but you're basically paraphrasing what the article is saying about people acting like disliking Pho is some sort of defect that can be remedied by eating it at better places.

Whether you like it or not, it's not some miracle food, it's broth with some other stuff thrown in to taste.  The whole article is about people doing exactly what you are doing.
 
2013-05-08 04:54:30 PM  
Pho is my favorite food and I live in rural Minnesota where it's not commonly known.  I have to drive 35 minutes to get a mediocre bowl and an hour to get a great bowl.  Would love to learn to make it well myself but my attempts have been unsatisfactory.

/Didn't know it was big anywhere but now I want to move to Seattle.
//To the people who try to correct my pronunciation I say, "Pho-Q, K?"
 
2013-05-08 04:54:41 PM  

Corvus: [upload.wikimedia.org image 800x600] I'll take Bahn-mi over Pho any day.


ok
1) that looks like HEAVEN
2) what is that called and how do I order it? details for the bahn-mi impaired please !!
 
2013-05-08 04:54:50 PM  
Sounds like the author of the opinion piece has a bit of a phobia.
 
2013-05-08 04:55:25 PM  
There's a viet place called Brodards in Garden Grove, OC, California.  They make some incredible spiring rolls (pork or shrimp paste) with some tastey mango sauce.  Drop a bit of chilli paste in in the sauce and your all set.  Be prepared to be hooked for life.

Warning, it's 98% Vietnamese people there, so there may not be any hipsters to mock.  Not sure if that's a deal breaker for some of you.
 
2013-05-08 04:55:32 PM  

stevenboof: I really don't read yelp


This is a good thing.
 
2013-05-08 04:56:21 PM  

Tax Boy: DC's own Zombie Pho!

[foodtruckfiesta.com image 512x496]


Have you seen the Pho Wheels truck?

craftmobilefoodunits.com
 
2013-05-08 04:59:54 PM  

museamused: Pho is my favorite food and I live in rural Minnesota where it's not commonly known.  I have to drive 35 minutes to get a mediocre bowl and an hour to get a great bowl.  Would love to learn to make it well myself but my attempts have been unsatisfactory.

/Didn't know it was big anywhere but now I want to move to Seattle.
//To the people who try to correct my pronunciation I say, "Pho-Q, K?"


My wife can do a decent bowl of Pho.  If you have an Asian market around where you live, go in there and tell the people what you're doing.  The one here, the guys are really helpful.  They told us what to get(beef paste, fish oil, etc), how much to put in, how long to boil it, all that stuff.  It's pretty damn close to what I've had in restaurants.
 
2013-05-08 05:00:27 PM  

Shazam999: Pho is great.  But yeah, there's lots of heinously bad pho places. And Calgary is truly blessed to have so many good pho places (but holy shiat, there's lots of bad ones too).  And I've never had good pho in the LA area, for whatever reason.

Also Korean soondubu.


Probably have to go down to Westminister or something.
 
2013-05-08 05:00:44 PM  

FrancoFile: dabbletech: From Wiki: The broth for beef phở is generally made by simmering beef bones, oxtails, flank steak, charred onion, charred ginger and spices. For a more intense flavor, the bones may still have beef on them. Chicken bones also work and produce a similar broth. Seasonings can include Saigon cinnamon or other kinds of cinnamon as alternatives (may use stick or powder), star anise, roasted ginger, roasted onion, black cardamom, coriander seed, fennel seed, and clove. The broth takes several hours to make.[13][14] For chicken phở, only the meat and bones of the chicken are used in place of beef and beef bone. The remaining spices remain the same, but the charred ginger can be omitted, since its function in beef phở is to get rid of the "cow's smell"

Lovely.

You know how I know you've never made stock?


Yeah, I'm not sure how this is much different than making ANY kind of stock.  It takes my chicken stock about 4-5 hours (because I like a really flavorful broth and cook it down), but it's meat+vegetables+spices+time=any kind of stock you make.
 
2013-05-08 05:01:20 PM  
Never had Pho but would love to try it, it looks tasty. I'm going to scout places in my area now for it. Take that, Mr. Angry I Don't Wanna Eat It guy!
 
2013-05-08 05:03:27 PM  
chicken noodle soup with a stack of condiments.  Not sure why some people worship this sh*t
 
2013-05-08 05:04:37 PM  
I have had Pho, only from the Seattle area when I was visiting my girl friend. We don't have a restaurant that sells it locally. It wasn't bad, certainly not the end all of dishes but I enjoyed it. It is offered in a wide variety of ingredients so I just avoided the tofu versions.
If the author of this article thinks Pho is bad he clearly needs to try the American counterpart and pick himself up a can of chicken noodle soup. Then he could write an article most everyone would agree with.
 
2013-05-08 05:06:58 PM  

olddinosaur: Is that what they call a "pho pas?"


No, it's a pho pass....
 
2013-05-08 05:07:10 PM  
My favourite noodle join it right down the street.  It's Pho King - awesome food.  I went the other day though, and as soon as I entered I was greeted by a big Pho queue.  Bunch of people in line already waiting for soup.  To make matters worse, the guy taking the orders was talking on the phone instead of helping out the next in line with her to-go order. I had to tell him to shut the Pho cup and get back to work.  But even after it was still taking forever, so I went next door and got some farking fajitas.
 
2013-05-08 05:08:18 PM  

namatad: Corvus: [upload.wikimedia.org image 800x600] I'll take Bahn-mi over Pho any day.

ok
1) that looks like HEAVEN
2) what is that called and how do I order it? details for the bahn-mi impaired please !!


1. It's called banh mi.
2. You go to a place that sells banh mi, and say "I'd like a bahn mi, please."
 
2013-05-08 05:08:30 PM  
I have to agree with the author. My cousin forces that awful stuff on me everytime I visit him in DC.  It looks like dirty bath water and worse, tastes like my unfiltered cow pond (dont ask). That goop is terrible and even suggesting you hate it in the DC area is like some kind of horrible sin.
 
2013-05-08 05:09:02 PM  

another cultural observer: Heathens using cilantro in pho.  Long Coriander is much preferred.


Is that the surprisingly well-endowed Hanoi porn star?
 
2013-05-08 05:11:49 PM  

museamused: Pho is my favorite food and I live in rural Minnesota where it's not commonly known.  I have to drive 35 minutes to get a mediocre bowl and an hour to get a great bowl.  Would love to learn to make it well myself but my attempts have been unsatisfactory.

/Didn't know it was big anywhere but now I want to move to Seattle.
//To the people who try to correct my pronunciation I say, "Pho-Q, K?"


Try this link, the main trouble you are having I suspect is the broth. A lot of commercial broths (aka stock) are not very rich in flavor. You can make your own which takes a fair amount of time or experiment. I find Trader Joe's has a good one but I have not used if for making Pho.
http://www.lovingpho.com/pho-chefs-recipes/top-pho-recipes/
 
2013-05-08 05:12:18 PM  
The hipsters have latched onto pho. The uber-hipsters have turned against it. And the world continues to turn.

OscarTamerz:   If you're ever in The OC go to little Saigon and get yourself some.


"The OC"? Sorry, but now I have to ignore anything you say ever.

/From OC.
//Leaving was the best thing I ever did.
 
2013-05-08 05:12:36 PM  
It's actually pronounced "Fa"
 
2013-05-08 05:14:17 PM  

tortilla burger: Pho is not a hipster food. It's very much a working man type of food; it's made with relatively common ingredients, there's little in the way of fancy cooking methods or obscure preparations. And pho is exactly the type of thing you'd eat when you're hung over and need something to pick you up. It really doesn't fit the profile of a hipster/foodie favorite


I think you just described exactly why it IS a trendy hipster food. All the same reasons that pbr and converse sneakers became trendy for trust fund kids.
 
2013-05-08 05:16:11 PM  

VivianVivisect: It's actually pronounced "Fa"


Epic pho-il.
 
2013-05-08 05:17:06 PM  
"Disowning pho...
 
 
Not necessary as we were never related. So I can simply ignore him instead.
 
2013-05-08 05:17:17 PM  

xopher.tm: The hipsters have latched onto pho. The uber-hipsters have turned against it. And the world continues to turn.

 
Not necessarily. Some of us actually hate the stuff. My cousin (the same one who loves that nasty stuff) can't stand hot curried goat,  I happen to think its one of the most awesome dishes out there. Each to his own man.
 
2013-05-08 05:17:28 PM  

maxheck: FrancoFile:

dabbletech: From Wiki: The broth for beef phở is generally made by simmering beef bones, oxtails, flank steak, charred onion, charred ginger and spices. For a more intense flavor, the bones may still have beef on them. Chicken bones also work and produce a similar broth. Seasonings can include Saigon cinnamon or other kinds of cinnamon as alternatives (may use stick or powder), star anise, roasted ginger, roasted onion, black cardamom, coriander seed, fennel seed, and clove. The broth takes several hours to make.[13][14] For chicken phở, only the meat and bones of the chicken are used in place of beef and beef bone. The remaining spices remain the same, but the charred ginger can be omitted, since its function in beef phở is to get rid of the "cow's smell"

Lovely.

You know how I know you've never made stock?

Having a roast chicken carcass burbling away downstairs as I write... Kick, replies...

/ enjoying the rosemary-chickeney smell every time I go downstairs.


See your carcass, raise you the clam risotto I'm making tonight.
 
2013-05-08 05:17:53 PM  

VivianVivisect: It's actually pronounced "Fa"


Actually, it's actually pronounced "fuh".
 
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