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(The Register)   Want a flying car but don't have a driveway long enough? No problem. The new VTOL Hybrid was built for you   (theregister.co.uk) divider line 34
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2013-05-08 11:52:59 AM  
Already solved your road problem
 
2013-05-08 11:59:20 AM  
cue the "shut up and take my money" image...
 
2013-05-08 12:05:08 PM  
A configuration world renowned for its stability.

i.imgur.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3lbKqStvHI
 
2013-05-08 12:05:43 PM  
And how do I use the drive-thru without cutting the server's arm off? Hmmmmmm?
 
2013-05-08 12:06:56 PM  
Here is a video of their new concept https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp2TWNpTA7s
It really is an amazing design.
 
2013-05-08 12:09:37 PM  

Rezurok: A configuration world renowned for its stability.

[i.imgur.com image 469x347]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3lbKqStvHI


Really? These problems have been solved by software decades ago. An issue in the early 90s?
 
2013-05-08 12:10:50 PM  
Anyone else think it looks like it has about 1/4 as much wing as you would need to lift that thing in level flight?
 
2013-05-08 12:13:10 PM  

Fizpez: Anyone else think it looks like it has about 1/4 as much wing as you would need to lift that thing in level flight?


I think its overly dependent upon its rear engine. A slight downward thrust can make up for the wings. That said, this thing certainly won't be pulling any maneuvers, I wouldn't trust a human to control this thing at all.
 
2013-05-08 12:17:27 PM  
www.geeksofdoom.com
 
2013-05-08 12:21:33 PM  
Before I clicked the link I thought the Moller scam was still operating.
 
2013-05-08 12:23:55 PM  
It looks ridiculous though. Would getting a license plate that says "OUTTATIME" be seen as a clever pop culture reference, or trying too hard?
 
2013-05-08 12:25:19 PM  
Spinner or GTFO.
 
2013-05-08 12:30:39 PM  

sethen320: It looks ridiculous though. Would getting a license plate that says "OUTTATIME" be seen as a clever pop culture reference, or trying too hard?


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2013-05-08 12:41:47 PM  

MindStalker: Fizpez: Anyone else think it looks like it has about 1/4 as much wing as you would need to lift that thing in level flight?

I think its overly dependent upon its rear engine. A slight downward thrust can make up for the wings. That said, this thing certainly won't be pulling any maneuvers, I wouldn't trust a human to control this thing at all.


With 1300hp?  A bit more wing than you need.

VTOL beats a "flying car" any day.  But it's not like the FAA is going to let you fly it like you could just drive somewhere.  Expect them to really take off in BRIC and similar countries.
 
2013-05-08 12:47:33 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: MindStalker: Fizpez: Anyone else think it looks like it has about 1/4 as much wing as you would need to lift that thing in level flight?

I think its overly dependent upon its rear engine. A slight downward thrust can make up for the wings. That said, this thing certainly won't be pulling any maneuvers, I wouldn't trust a human to control this thing at all.

With 1300hp?  A bit more wing than you need.

VTOL beats a "flying car" any day.  But it's not like the FAA is going to let you fly it like you could just drive somewhere.  Expect them to really take off in BRIC and similar countries.


1300hp? But horses don't fly..
 
2013-05-08 01:04:11 PM  

MindStalker: Fizpez: Anyone else think it looks like it has about 1/4 as much wing as you would need to lift that thing in level flight?

I think its overly dependent upon its rear engine. A slight downward thrust can make up for the wings. That said, this thing certainly won't be pulling any maneuvers, I wouldn't trust a human to control this thing at all.


Thrust up thru your centre of gravity means a small stall envelope which is not what you want for every day flying. It's a good feature for fighter jets or acrobatic planes but not for cabin cruisers. I'd also be worried about all that useless mass at the ends of the wings during horizontal flight if they actually turn the engines off. Big ol'e pylons like that cut into the efficiency of the wing by creating a vortex that lifts the air stream off the wing near the ends. Also it seems there is no place to put air brakes and the ailerons are going to be too small.

I'll be amazed if this flys and I'll be even more amazed if it can survive actual real-world use.. such a fragile design...
 
2013-05-08 01:14:45 PM  
Hahaha, this thing is hilarious.  The moment those props come on full power the first thing it's going to do is flip right over.  The thing has no pitch control, like, at all.  There's not even a tail for cruise flight.  Whose 10 year old kid designed this thing?
 
2013-05-08 01:16:48 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: MindStalker: Fizpez: Anyone else think it looks like it has about 1/4 as much wing as you would need to lift that thing in level flight?

I think its overly dependent upon its rear engine. A slight downward thrust can make up for the wings. That said, this thing certainly won't be pulling any maneuvers, I wouldn't trust a human to control this thing at all.

Thrust up thru your centre of gravity means a small stall envelope which is not what you want for every day flying. It's a good feature for fighter jets or acrobatic planes but not for cabin cruisers. I'd also be worried about all that useless mass at the ends of the wings during horizontal flight if they actually turn the engines off. Big ol'e pylons like that cut into the efficiency of the wing by creating a vortex that lifts the air stream off the wing near the ends. Also it seems there is no place to put air brakes and the ailerons are going to be too small.

I'll be amazed if this flys and I'll be even more amazed if it can survive actual real-world use.. such a fragile design...


Forget stalling, this thing isn't going to take off.  It'll flip like a pancake and that'll be the end of that.  I've spent years working on STOL aircraft and the single main problem with those things is low speed pitch control.  This thing has none, literally, none.
 
2013-05-08 01:39:43 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: I'll be amazed if this flys and I'll be even more amazed if it can survive actual real-world use.. such a fragile design...


This.  The whole thing is made of bullshiat.  Probably a mindless PR stunt to remind everyone "Hey, we have this other, less-flashy almost-sorta-flying-car design that you can buy RIGHT NOW."

On the TF-X, engine pylons look a bit too flimsy to incorporate the engine, blade-folding/locking mechanism, pylon-rotating/locking mechanism and so on.  Plus the design itself is just recipe for needless dings and maintenance work.  When folded, the pylon's sitting below the driver/pax doors; you're actually going to be stepping them every time you get into or out of this thing.  They're also in a prime position to be nailed by other car doors/bumpers/bits of roadway crap kicked up by the front wheels.  They will have to be protected by a hefty fairing, which will add to the weight of the vehicle.  There's no cargo room, because your trunk area is a giant ducted fan... everything about this design screams impractical.  It's not a car you can do anything useful with; it's just 2-person tiltrotor you can store at home.
 
2013-05-08 02:10:23 PM  
...it's just 2-person tiltrotor you can store at home...

I'd be good with just that. The company is taking a risk trotting this out now. Potential buyers may choose to wait until that model comes out, rather than their current offering. In the meantime, the company withers and dies, and once again the idea is done.
 
2013-05-08 02:11:26 PM  

Thurston Howell: Tr0mBoNe: I'll be amazed if this flys and I'll be even more amazed if it can survive actual real-world use.. such a fragile design...

This.  The whole thing is made of bullshiat.  Probably a mindless PR stunt to remind everyone "Hey, we have this other, less-flashy almost-sorta-flying-car design that you can buy RIGHT NOW."


I was with you except for the "right now."  The company has been promising a finished product for years, still not actually available.  Nor are they likely to sell anywhere near the original price point.

Cool idea... but still not anywhere close to practical.
 
2013-05-08 02:32:11 PM  
So, it's a helicopter designed by an 8th grader. No thanks.
 
2013-05-08 03:19:39 PM  
Maybe it works on small scale but they have to remember that RC helicopter motors are disproportionately powerful compared to life size helicopter motors especially when motor size and power requirements come into play.
 
2013-05-08 04:15:50 PM  

sethen320: Before I clicked the link I thought the Moller scam was still operating.


That's the first thing I thought of too.  I remember reading about this in the 80's in my dad's Popular Mechanics, the article saying they were only a couple of years away.  And again in the early 90's, late 90's, early 00's...
 
2013-05-08 05:25:51 PM  
And no one has addressed the issue of car wrecks that can happen right above your house.
 
2013-05-08 05:58:30 PM  
The idea of my head being only a couple of feet away from the spinning props at the tips of the wings makes me a little queasy.
 
2013-05-08 07:17:52 PM  
I dont know about the city that you live in, but where I am the drivers have enough trouble with two dimensions.  Adding a third will just end badly for everyone.
 
2013-05-08 07:44:34 PM  
I'd like it more if it were a canard pusher. Those are my favorite kind. So efficient, and they're easier to fly once you're used to them.

And provided you don't fail to do your complete pre-flight in one where some turkey put the secondary fuel tank knob in a weird place, they're pretty darn safe, too.
 
2013-05-08 08:11:39 PM  
Yeah what I want is a megawatt air blaster turning every loose pebble and bottle cap into shrapnel... Never mind the fact that this is only a CGI daydream with no basis in reality.
 
2013-05-08 08:48:49 PM  

TheBlackFlag: the drivers have enough trouble with two dimensions


We'll have flying cars someday, but we won't be flying them.  The traffic-control grid will be the pilot.
 
2013-05-08 09:48:07 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Yeah what I want is a megawatt air blaster turning every loose pebble and bottle cap into shrapnel... Never mind the fact that this is only a CGI daydream with no basis in reality.


! You actually made a coherent post without even mentioning the follies of space travel or the need for immortality! I'm proud of you son!
 
2013-05-08 10:30:08 PM  

New Farkin User Name: Quantum Apostrophe: Yeah what I want is a megawatt air blaster turning every loose pebble and bottle cap into shrapnel... Never mind the fact that this is only a CGI daydream with no basis in reality.

! You actually made a coherent post without even mentioning the follies of space travel or the need for immortality! I'm proud of you son!


Oh yeah right, but if I dared to say that some NASA PR crap is just CGI daydreams you'd wet your pants and cry to the mods...
 
2013-05-09 07:45:44 AM  
When will people realize how bad an idea flying cars are? It's taking the crash statistics of a car and applying them to an airplane, and even fender benders have the high chance of being fatal.
 
2013-05-09 08:33:35 AM  

Herr Morgenstern: When will people realize how bad an idea flying cars are? It's taking the crash statistics of a car and applying them to an airplane, and even fender benders have the high chance of being fatal.


No one really wants OTHER people to have a flying car.
 
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