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2013-05-08 07:28:07 PM  
I gotta admit, sometimes the hipsteresque discussion of obscure beer varieties makes me sick to my stomach. FFS, enjoy beer and try beer, and if you find one you really like, stick with it.

Sometimes I really do miss the heady days of six possible beer choices at the store. Don't get me wrong, I do like that craft breweries have given us stuff with actual flavors, but the explosion of 700 different beer choices has given me options paralysis at the local liquor warehouse.
 
2013-05-08 07:31:52 PM  
I had a craft beer movement one time.

Smelled like wheat.
 
2013-05-08 07:33:19 PM  

FirstDennis: I had a craft beer movement one time.

Smelled like wheat yeast.


Fixed.
 
2013-05-08 07:36:08 PM  

SmackLT: I gotta admit, sometimes the hipsteresque discussion of obscure beer varieties makes me sick to my stomach. FFS, enjoy beer and try beer, and if you find one you really like, stick with it.

Sometimes I really do miss the heady days of six possible beer choices at the store. Don't get me wrong, I do like that craft breweries have given us stuff with actual flavors, but the explosion of 700 different beer choices has given me options paralysis at the local liquor warehouse.


I read everything in the second paragraph in Sean Connery's voice.

/ One ping, only
 
2013-05-08 07:37:15 PM  
PBR FTW

i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-05-08 07:47:50 PM  
My "rules" of beer drinking:

1) Drink what you like.
2) Don't be close-minded about what you haven't tried.
3) Let other people drink what they want.
4) Recommendations of good beers from one beer drinker to another are fine, but mocking people for liking something you don't like or perceive as swill makes you look like an ass.
5) Just because someone likes craft beer or likes to try lots of different kinds of beers doesn't mean they're a hipster dbag.
 
2013-05-08 07:48:23 PM  
BEER THREAD!
 
2013-05-08 07:51:12 PM  
The last comment about breweries spreading themselves extremely thin is becoming all too obvious the broader I drink. For instance, Magic Hat #9 is the best to me from Magic Hat, with all other offerings less inspired. Rogue, while having some great variety, suffers from numerous options which are less desirable than a handful of what is made. Dogfish Head gets away with this, but so few others make more than one or two which I consistently want to drink.
 
2013-05-08 07:57:08 PM  
But just because times are swell doesn't mean everything's all good. The industry is at a cross-roads, ushering in the third-wave of craft brewers and drinkers while shaking off its image as a mere underdog. As tap and shelf space becomes more competitive than ever, breweries have to balance their "we're all in this together" camaraderie with a survival instinct that doesn't always mean playing fair.

Right because at 6.5% of the total beer market cragt beer is totally saturated!!!

*facepalm*

Yes I think some breweries  will fail but more because they suck not because they didn't try to knock others out.
 
2013-05-08 07:58:32 PM  
That was a whole lot of complaining about something truly great.

Beer, whether it be sex in a canoe or Sam Adams' soy sauce replacement, is great. Who cares if the little guys are becoming big guys? Isn't that a good thing?

Who cares that the American craft beer movement overestimates its status in the world of beer? American beer is undergoing a renaissance and is producing better beer than anywhere else in the history of beer.

Who cares that the craft brewers are all white? There's nothing stopping a minority from heading into a homebrew store and starting up their own craft brew. That they don't isn't a reflection on craft brewing or craft brewers.

This article is all so much hipster bullshiat handwringing and pearl clutching. The author is afraid that people will make his favorite beer popular. He's afraid of drinking a beer that some website rated highly. He's afraid of looking racist. And he bemoans how good American beers have become and insinuates that it will never be better than obscure beers from Europe.

Go drink a beer.
 
2013-05-08 08:24:02 PM  
at least he gets the part about how at this point an IPA is basically any beer with a crapton of hops added to it right.
 
2013-05-08 08:28:57 PM  
I love beer.

All of them. Yes, that one too.
 
2013-05-08 08:30:30 PM  

PillsHere: My "rules" of beer drinking:

1) Drink what you like.
2) Don't be close-minded about what you haven't tried.
3) Let other people drink what they want.
4) Recommendations of good beers from one beer drinker to another are fine, but mocking people for liking something you don't like or perceive as swill makes you look like an ass.
5) Just because someone likes craft beer or likes to try lots of different kinds of beers doesn't mean they're a hipster dbag.


Ding, ding, ding; Gutter, tell him what he's won!

www.onlineeducation.net
 
2013-05-08 08:30:39 PM  
Long, and annoyingly slideshowy, but excellent observations. The bit about nomenclature especially, you can have 5 red ales (my current fav) that all taste absolutely nothing alike. Beer in general needs more terms - the recent creation of APA is a good start, it basically means a more hoppy IPA - that better run the gamut of actual experience. Stouts in particular go from fizzy foamy things to a meal.

"Double" serves double duty to mean extra-hopped or extra-malted or both. They're basically opposite, so either specify which or call it a double-double, if In-And-Out won't sue. When I'm hoping for double-hopped and get double-malted, I'm going to hate you.

Wine has this problem as well, because everything is either a varietal or blend, which tells you nothing about how it actually tastes. Even specific blends like "Meritage" can vary widely. The wine making and specific grape stock has a much larger effect on flavor than the varietal, which mostly only affects how dark and sweet it starts out. Only very occasionally, a term like "old vine zin" is used to consistently mean dry jammy dark wine grown in a hot climate.

It's all marketing, not usability. Selling the name instead of what's in the bottle.

Back to great beer, my current favorite:
farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-05-08 08:46:15 PM  

megarian: I love beer.

All of them. Yes, that one too.


Genny Cream Ale?
 
2013-05-08 08:49:54 PM  

PillsHere: My "rules" of beer drinking:

1) Drink what you like.
2) Don't be close-minded about what you haven't tried.
3) Let other people drink what they want.
4) Recommendations of good beers from one beer drinker to another are fine, but mocking people for liking something you don't like or perceive as swill makes you look like an ass.
5) Just because someone likes craft beer or likes to try lots of different kinds of beers doesn't mean they're a hipster dbag.


Agreed.

BUT

I will derisively mock ANYONE who claims to like light beer.
 
2013-05-08 08:50:52 PM  

PillsHere: My "rules" of beer drinking:

1) Drink what you like.
2) Don't be close-minded about what you haven't tried.
3) Let other people drink what they want.
4) Recommendations of good beers from one beer drinker to another are fine, but mocking people for liking something you don't like or perceive as swill makes you look like an ass.
5) Just because someone likes craft beer or likes to try lots of different kinds of beers doesn't mean they're a hipster dbag

This guy gets it.

 
2013-05-08 08:51:09 PM  
Is it just me, but I don't like the taste of alcohol period.  Don't get me wrong, I don't hate it, I drink and I'll have a beer every now and again but not because I like the taste.  For taste I'll drink juice or soda, not beer.  Same with wine.  I drink it but pairing wine with a meal does nothing for me.

I likes my alcohol likes I like my sex, quick and easy so it's vodka shots for me.  As a matter of fact, as I spent time clearing a clogged drain and fixing leaky pipes, this seems like the perfect time for shot  #1.
 
2013-05-08 08:51:28 PM  

amquelbettamin: PBR FTW

i42.tinypic.com


Hey! That's the guy from the Pho thread!

He can't be in two threads, can he? Isn't there a rule?
 
2013-05-08 08:56:53 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: megarian: I love beer.

All of them. Yes, that one too.

Genny Cream Ale?


Oh my....yes. YES.
 
2013-05-08 09:01:51 PM  

noitsnot: amquelbettamin: PBR FTW

[i42.tinypic.com image 300x225]

Hey! That's the guy from the Pho thread!

He can't be in two threads, can he? Isn't there a rule?


In all fairness, those of us in the Seattle area love both pho and craft beers.  Of course I hate pho, but I don't tell many people that because it would be like blasphemy around here.
 
2013-05-08 09:02:52 PM  

PillsHere: My "rules" of beer drinking:

1) Drink what you like.
2) Don't be close-minded about what you haven't tried.
3) Let other people drink what they want.
4) Recommendations of good beers from one beer drinker to another are fine, but mocking people for liking something you don't like or perceive as swill makes you look like an ass.
5) Just because someone likes craft beer or likes to try lots of different kinds of beers doesn't mean they're a hipster dbag.


Good list. I'm not a beer snob, I'm a beer lover.

/Busch light in my right hand right now.
/5 gallons of American Pale Ale, and 5 gallons of all-grain Hefe in carboys in the basement.
 
2013-05-08 09:03:18 PM  

NASAM: PillsHere: My "rules" of beer drinking:

1) Drink what you like.
2) Don't be close-minded about what you haven't tried.
3) Let other people drink what they want.
4) Recommendations of good beers from one beer drinker to another are fine, but mocking people for liking something you don't like or perceive as swill makes you look like an ass.
5) Just because someone likes craft beer or likes to try lots of different kinds of beers doesn't mean they're a hipster dbag

This guy gets it.


I'm going to raise my Molson Canadian in his honor. Next week when I have something classier, I'll raise my Golden Monkey in his honor too

/not sure if it was a euphemism
 
2013-05-08 09:03:27 PM  

megarian: cameroncrazy1984: megarian: I love beer.

All of them. Yes, that one too.

Genny Cream Ale?

Oh my....yes. YES.


To this day, I still do not understand why anyone would drink it. I'd rather drink Busch Light!
 
2013-05-08 09:04:48 PM  

Assimilate This: Agreed.

BUT

I will derisively mock ANYONE who claims to like light beer.


Unless they like it for re-hydration.
 
2013-05-08 09:06:45 PM  
This was actually pretty moronic.

Complaining about the craft beer industry being white as if it's like the NFL with so few black coaches -- it's not that their is racism being practiced at craft beer companies, but that the people who have the means to start their own craft brewery tend to be disproportionally white.

Then there is this whole thing about craft lovers being lushes because craft beer has a high alcohol content.
 
2013-05-08 09:07:03 PM  

PillsHere: My "rules" of beer drinking:

1) Drink what you like.
2) Don't be close-minded about what you haven't tried.
3) Let other people drink what they want.
4) Recommendations of good beers from one beer drinker to another are fine, but mocking people for liking something you don't like or perceive as swill makes you look like an ass.
5) Just because someone likes craft beer or likes to try lots of different kinds of beers doesn't mean they're a hipster dbag.


6) If someone says I'm not a fan of__________ (IPA, stouts etc.) That doesn't mean try and sell me on this_______ (IPA, stout etc.) Let me order my beer.
7) Do not I repeat DO NOT give titwrench an Irish Red. Yes he loves them but he will fart and it will be disgusting. It will smell like the inside of a fake leg filled with old dead skunks. Going outside will not help in fact it somehow weaponizes it and makes it spread for blocks. I have seen people across a 5 lane road cover their noses and mouths after a Titwrench Irish Red Fart or a TIRF. The TIRF status with you and gets in your clothes and nothing gets TIRF taste out of your mouth. Nothing.
 
2013-05-08 09:07:04 PM  
Any Fark homebrewers out there? Got anything good bubbling?

Waiting a few more weeks to bottle my honey amber ale. My first non-Mr. Beer homebrew batch and I actually don't think I screwed anything up this time. A little sweat in the wort shouldn't hurt anything, right?
 
2013-05-08 09:20:16 PM  

bugmn99: Any Fark homebrewers out there? Got anything good bubbling?

Waiting a few more weeks to bottle my honey amber ale. My first non-Mr. Beer homebrew batch and I actually don't think I screwed anything up this time. A little sweat in the wort shouldn't hurt anything, right?


I used to, but having all that beer around put me on the batpole to alcoholism. Drinking two 22 oz'ers every night was not good for my marriage, health and well being in general.

Still, a bit wistful for those times...
 
2013-05-08 09:23:34 PM  
thornhill: Complaining about the craft beer industry being white as if it's like the NFL with so few black coaches -- it's not that their is racism being practiced at craft beer companies, but that the people who have the means to start their own craft brewery tend to be disproportionally white.

Also, it's partial to being started by home brewers, which might be a white-geek thing. Don't know though.
 
2013-05-08 09:24:34 PM  

bugmn99: A little sweat in the wort shouldn't hurt anything, right?


Not if it was boiling at the time.
 
2013-05-08 09:26:41 PM  

bugmn99: Any Fark homebrewers out there? Got anything good bubbling?

Waiting a few more weeks to bottle my honey amber ale. My first non-Mr. Beer homebrew batch and I actually don't think I screwed anything up this time. A little sweat in the wort shouldn't hurt anything, right?


18 Gallons of Wildflower Sack Mead, testing the trio of major Lalvins in my new fermentation chamber, keeping em to a stable 59f through fermentation (just adjusted after the first week to 61f).

Recommendation if switching from Mr. Beer style kits is when you head to all grain, invest early in a proper 10gal kettle (with valve) and try Brew In A Bag (BIAB). Sure the upfront cost of the kettle seems higher, but the reduced cost to enter all grain earlier and lack of need for mash tun, hot liquor tank, and so forth will more even out the cost, plus a great kettle is necessary down the road. Plus, the reduced hassle of BIAB and a valve will be well worth the upfront cost. And, on a final note, you will hear about loss of efficiency in BIAB, but people have found some fantastic high efficiency with BIAB, and you can get 70% or so consistently with little effort.
 
2013-05-08 09:36:18 PM  

bugmn99: Any Fark homebrewers out there? Got anything good bubbling?

Waiting a few more weeks to bottle my honey amber ale. My first non-Mr. Beer homebrew batch and I actually don't think I screwed anything up this time. A little sweat in the wort shouldn't hurt anything, right?


Oh - to actually answer your question (since I got all CSB on it in the prev post) -

The wisdom I arrived at is that the key is to make your yeast pitch grow strong and robust. Don't worry very much about contamination, but do worry about getting your yeast pitch started strongly and keeping it going hard until ferm is done.

This is all about temperature control, and to a lesser extent aeration (oxygenation):
1) Make sure your wort is cool enough to pitch the yeast. Cooling down wort is hard, but YOU MUST DO IT. Don't just say "fark this - it's been 2 hours, I'm pitching the yeast." You gotta have the temp right. Make or buy an immersion chiller.
2) Keep the temp stable until the yeast really gets roaring. Don't pitch yeast at 8PM and then put it in the garage in Minnesota in February. It will get too cold and the yeast will stall. You want that ferm roaring along.
3) Before you pitch yeast, you need to aerate the wort, and it won't work if the wort is hot. You can do the sloshing method, or the aquarium pump method. This is important - but not as important as the previous two points.

I NEVER had a bad batch due to contamination. My problem was always ferms that didn't go as far as they should have - which is not a big deal, you just wait longer for the beer to finish. My beers always took about three months to really be good.
 
2013-05-08 09:41:21 PM  

Vangor: bugmn99: Any Fark homebrewers out there? Got anything good bubbling?

Waiting a few more weeks to bottle my honey amber ale. My first non-Mr. Beer homebrew batch and I actually don't think I screwed anything up this time. A little sweat in the wort shouldn't hurt anything, right?

18 Gallons of Wildflower Sack Mead, testing the trio of major Lalvins in my new fermentation chamber, keeping em to a stable 59f through fermentation (just adjusted after the first week to 61f).

Recommendation if switching from Mr. Beer style kits is when you head to all grain, invest early in a proper 10gal kettle (with valve) and try Brew In A Bag (BIAB). Sure the upfront cost of the kettle seems higher, but the reduced cost to enter all grain earlier and lack of need for mash tun, hot liquor tank, and so forth will more even out the cost, plus a great kettle is necessary down the road. Plus, the reduced hassle of BIAB and a valve will be well worth the upfront cost. And, on a final note, you will hear about loss of efficiency in BIAB, but people have found some fantastic high efficiency with BIAB, and you can get 70% or so consistently with little effort.


Dude - OK, two things:

1) Mead ain't beer

2) Don't push him from a Mr. Beer right to all-grain. Let him do some extract and mini-mash to figure it out first.
 
2013-05-08 09:44:10 PM  

noitsnot: 1) Mead ain't beer

2) Don't push him from a Mr. Beer right to all-grain. Let him do some extract and mini-mash to figure it out first.


1) He didn't ask if anyone had any beer brewing, just anything at all.

2) I said "when you head to all grain".
 
2013-05-08 09:44:57 PM  

Assimilate This: I will derisively mock ANYONE who claims to like light beer.


Light beer has its place. It's like the McDonalds of beers. You don't drink it because it's your favorite. You drink it because it's convenient for the situation, and it's "good enough."
 
2013-05-08 09:56:56 PM  

AxemRed: Assimilate This: I will derisively mock ANYONE who claims to like light beer.

Light beer has its place. It's like the McDonalds of beers. You don't drink it because it's your favorite. You drink it because it's convenient for the situation, and it's "good enough."


My brother-in-law drinks light beer basically from when he gets up until bedtime. It's like a continuous carb infusion that won't actually ever make him tipsy.
 
2013-05-08 09:58:18 PM  
light beer is awesome. I wouldn't want to only drink light beer for the rest of my life, but there are some beers that I'm apparently not cool enough to enjoy.

Looking at you, bubble jack IPA.
 
2013-05-08 09:58:44 PM  

Vangor: noitsnot: 1) Mead ain't beer

2) Don't push him from a Mr. Beer right to all-grain. Let him do some extract and mini-mash to figure it out first.

1) He didn't ask if anyone had any beer brewing, just anything at all.

2) I said "when you head to all grain".


This may sound odd, but are you by any chance Australian?
 
2013-05-08 10:01:44 PM  

impaler: thornhill: Complaining about the craft beer industry being white as if it's like the NFL with so few black coaches -- it's not that their is racism being practiced at craft beer companies, but that the people who have the means to start their own craft brewery tend to be disproportionally white.

Also, it's partial to being started by home brewers, which might be a white-geek thing. Don't know though.


I think beer is more of a socioeconomic thing than culture/race, but socioeconomics often breaksdown by race due to the correlation between race and wealth.

Craft beer is expensive. The popularity of Bud, PBR, etc. is not due to taste but price.
 
2013-05-08 10:04:53 PM  

AxemRed: Assimilate This: I will derisively mock ANYONE who claims to like light beer.

Light beer has its place. It's like the McDonalds of beers. You don't drink it because it's your favorite. You drink it because it's convenient for the situation, and it's "good enough."


I rather just drink water in those situations. I cannot stand the taste of light beer -- it's not snobbery, I just find it to be unpleasant.
 
2013-05-08 10:11:15 PM  

bugmn99: Any Fark homebrewers out there? Got anything good bubbling?

Waiting a few more weeks to bottle my honey amber ale. My first non-Mr. Beer homebrew batch and I actually don't think I screwed anything up this time. A little sweat in the wort shouldn't hurt anything, right?


Nothing bubbling right now but I've got a golden ale and an American pale ale on tap. I've been doing it for a long time. I started helping my dad brew when I was a kid and worked at my local homebrew shop all throughout high school. I've brewed hundreds of batches of beer and gone threw all sorts of different phases: strict traditionalist, style melding, crazy flavor concoctions, etc. I've settle into only making beer styles I like to enjoy while at home. I also quit writing down recipes, I just walk in the homebrew shop and start winging it.

My only advice is to brew what you love to drink and don't get too serious. Don't get me wrong, there is a lot to learn and youll want to get into all grain brewig and kegging but if you find yourself sending your tap water off to a lab to analyzed stop what you're doing and get hammered and forget all that shiat.

Oh and also, while homebrewing you need to drink copious amounts of homebrew. That helps with the dont get too serious thing.
 
2013-05-08 10:13:22 PM  

noitsnot: This may sound odd, but are you by any chance Australian?


Negative.
 
2013-05-08 10:16:43 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: megarian: cameroncrazy1984: megarian: I love beer.

All of them. Yes, that one too.

Genny Cream Ale?

Oh my....yes. YES.

To this day, I still do not understand why anyone would drink it. I'd rather drink Busch Light!


*shrug*

I have my days. Busch light makes me think of campfires. That, for some reason, makes it drinkable. Then I end up tubing I a river for 9 hours.

So...I don't know where I was going with this, but I have my first Oberon of the season right now. So that's nice.
 
2013-05-08 10:17:11 PM  

thornhill: AxemRed: Assimilate This: I will derisively mock ANYONE who claims to like light beer.

Light beer has its place. It's like the McDonalds of beers. You don't drink it because it's your favorite. You drink it because it's convenient for the situation, and it's "good enough."

I rather just drink water in those situations. I cannot stand the taste of light beer -- it's not snobbery, I just find it to be unpleasant.


How are we defining light beer? Does it have to say "lite" or "light" in the name, or anything that's under a specified ABV and calorie content? And what would those levels be?
 
2013-05-08 10:18:30 PM  

megarian: Busch light makes me think of campfires. That, for some reason, makes it drinkable. Then I end up tubing I a river for 9 hours.


Totally, 100% there with you on that one.
 
2013-05-08 10:21:00 PM  

max_pooper: but if you find yourself sending your tap water off to a lab to analyzed stop what you're doing and get hammered and forget all that shiat.


Sure, if you'd rather brew beer that turns out mediocre and don't want the best possible results. I'm needling you, of course, but the fact is water chemistry will take you from making good beer to making superb beer. I will go as far as to say you cannot brew some styles effectively without knowing your water chemistry. It will be impossible to get good results otherwise.
 
2013-05-08 10:21:33 PM  

AxemRed: Assimilate This: I will derisively mock ANYONE who claims to like light beer.

Light beer has its place. It's like the McDonalds of beers. You don't drink it because it's your favorite. You drink it because it's convenient for the situation, and it's "good enough."


You forgot "cheap."
 
2013-05-08 10:23:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: megarian: Busch light makes me think of campfires. That, for some reason, makes it drinkable. Then I end up tubing I a river for 9 hours.

Totally, 100% there with you on that one.


Or *then I end up tubing IN A river...

/kinda drunked
 
2013-05-08 10:29:53 PM  

WinoRhino: thornhill: AxemRed: Assimilate This: I will derisively mock ANYONE who claims to like light beer.

Light beer has its place. It's like the McDonalds of beers. You don't drink it because it's your favorite. You drink it because it's convenient for the situation, and it's "good enough."

I rather just drink water in those situations. I cannot stand the taste of light beer -- it's not snobbery, I just find it to be unpleasant.

How are we defining light beer? Does it have to say "lite" or "light" in the name, or anything that's under a specified ABV and calorie content? And what would those levels be?


Low calorie.
 
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