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(USA Today)   Dear Cleveland police. 911 calls from neighbors about naked women being lead around on dog leashes MIGHT just be nothing more than a really swinging S&M party, but you still maybe oughta send a car by to check it out   (usatoday.com) divider line 160
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2013-05-09 02:19:04 AM

Magorn: SithLord: Magorn: SithLord: Who cares.  It's old news now.  What these men did shouldn't be a crime.  They were merely acting out their fantasies in the privacy of their own home.  They should be praised for coming out as doms.  What they did was not morally corrupt.  They should be allowed to marry their subs.  Praise the Cleveland police for not prying in the lives of private citizens and letting them carry on their business.

Kids should fear guns, not innocent kidnappers who just want to get their jollies.  What is wrong with the close-minded tea-tards?

hey look another "Conservative" who fails to understand the phrase "between CONSENTING adults"   HMM, maybe THAT's why Republicans are always going on about rape, because they just can;t wrap thier head around the concept?

Another liberal who doesn't understand I used your side's talking points when stating how morally corrupt this country has become.

No you didn't and that's what I'm pointing out.     We Liberals are big believers in "small government" you see, and so don;t believe that, as long as no one is being harmed, the government has a right to regulate private behavior,    Thus we are all in favor of anyone getting their swerve on in any fashion they like, so long as A) everyone involved is an adult B) everyone freely consents to the activity at hand.  Now which of those two conditions are not present in this scenario?  Equating these guys with the S&M community is about as offensive as the idiots that link homosexuality and pedophilia.


oh, how I LOL'd
 
2013-05-09 08:15:00 AM

ciberido: Cytokine Storm: Waldo Pepper: ciberido: Waldo Pepper: I feel people were socially better mannered then now and I this is a lot of what people miss.

Did you miss my quotation from 423 BC?  Every generation thinks that "kids these days" lack the good manners that their generation had growing up.  People have been making that claim long before Jesus was born.

There are all kinds of stats showing that people THINK crime is getting worse, when it's actually getting better.  It's perfectly natural for you to FEEL that people were socially better mannered then, it's human nature to feel that way, but please do not trust such feelings as they are not congruent with measurable reality.

I saw what you wrote and I disagree with it in some areas. I feel we had a brief period in time where the average white middle/upper-class child had what one could consider the perfect childhood.


No offense, but what statistics show is more important that what you feel.  Americans were not measurably safer or happier in the 1940s or 1950s than they are now.


happiness and safety are not a moral measurement.
 
2013-05-09 10:39:34 AM
At least the neighbors didn't see this
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2013-05-09 11:20:56 AM

Waldo Pepper: ciberido: No offense, but what statistics show is more important that what you feel.  Americans were not measurably safer or happier in the 1940s or 1950s than they are now.

happiness and safety are not a moral measurement.


If you're not concerned about the safety and happiness of the people who live in your society, then you are the immoral one.
 
2013-05-09 11:40:36 AM

Cytokine Storm: Waldo Pepper: ciberido: Waldo Pepper: I feel people were socially better mannered then now and I this is a lot of what people miss.

Did you miss my quotation from 423 BC?  Every generation thinks that "kids these days" lack the good manners that their generation had growing up.  People have been making that claim long before Jesus was born.

There are all kinds of stats showing that people THINK crime is getting worse, when it's actually getting better.  It's perfectly natural for you to FEEL that people were socially better mannered then, it's human nature to feel that way, but please do not trust such feelings as they are not congruent with measurable reality.

I saw what you wrote and I disagree with it in some areas. I feel we had a brief period in time where the average white middle/upper-class child had what one could consider the perfect childhood.

FTFY


I saw what you wrote and I disagree with it in some areas. I feel we had a brief period in time where the average white middle/upper-class child had what one could consider the perfect childhood, and usually didn't know about the ones that didn't.

I grew up in the 70s and 80s in a middle/upper class family and had said "perfect childhood".  On the other hand, one day in 4th grade the teacher announced that one of our classmates (basically a friend of a friend) wouldn't be coming back as his father stabbed him in the heart and he was in critical condition.  Another friend had a violent father and was "accident prone".  Another had weird sexual issues (may have been abused, or maybe just the general abuse of being gay in Reagan's America).  Another was basically raised by his father to be unbelievably misogynic (think Joe Kennedy Sr.).  My best friend suddenly stopped hanging out with me and I later found out that it was because of family issues (his mother was openly cheating and divorcing her husband, plus he was Catholic and that wasn't quite common yet, at least in that neighborhood).  That was just the boys, FSM only knows what the girls went through.

So basically a bunch of us had "perfect childhoods" only by sacrificing any type of care (other than medical care for the kid who got stabbed) of any who didn't.  The scary thing is just how many people want to go back to that state (and often feel that those who didn't deserved it).
 
2013-05-09 12:59:24 PM

ciberido: Waldo Pepper: ciberido: No offense, but what statistics show is more important that what you feel.  Americans were not measurably safer or happier in the 1940s or 1950s than they are now.

happiness and safety are not a moral measurement.

If you're not concerned about the safety and happiness of the people who live in your society, then you are the immoral one.


It appears your definition of safety is measured only by criminal activity and yet how many treads on fark complain about helicopter parents who are concerned about their little snowflakes getting a boo boo. Past generations realized that a child getting hurt while playing was part of growing up and the child learning about the consequences of their actions.

Happiness is not the job of the government or society. one does not have to be middle or upper middle class to be happy or safe. Being poor, uneducated and living in a less then steller neighborhood is not morally corrupt.

Killing 3500  baby humans a day is morally corrupt; children having easy access to porn on the internet is morally corrupt; the news media being in bed with big business is morally corrupt; CEO's taking big paydays while pay cutting jobs and/or not paying decent wages is morally corrupt.
 
2013-05-09 02:26:04 PM

Waldo Pepper: Killing 3500 baby humans a day is morally corrupt;


Geez, you and your rules... Fine, just how many am I allowed to kill per day, then??

In reality, I don't think this happens at all... If it does, it's certainly illegal... (If you're going for the "fetus == baby" thing, please don't... If you can't win the argument by arguing with factual terminology and need to invoke hyperbolic bullshiat instead, that's a good indication your argument deserves to lose... You can believe it's wrong to kill a fetus, but you'll have to understand that not everyone agrees with you on that point...)

children having easy access to porn on the internet is morally corrupt;

I don't see how... Besides, that's a parental issue: if you don't want your kid to see it, monitor their Internet activity, install filtering software, etc... But, who is the morally corrupt person in this case in your mind? The kids accessing the smut? Their parents for not preventing them from doing so? Surely not the people making it available to adults on the Internet who aren't responsible for your kids finding it and then lying by claiming to be 18 or older in order to access it?

the news media being in bed with big business is morally corrupt; CEO's taking big paydays while pay cutting jobs and/or not paying decent wages is morally corrupt.

These two I'll completely agree with you about...
 
2013-05-09 02:45:44 PM

RobSeace: Waldo Pepper: Killing 3500 baby humans a day is morally corrupt;

Geez, you and your rules... Fine, just how many am I allowed to kill per day, then??

In reality, I don't think this happens at all... If it does, it's certainly illegal... (If you're going for the "fetus == baby" thing, please don't... If you can't win the argument by arguing with factual terminology and need to invoke hyperbolic bullshiat instead, that's a good indication your argument deserves to lose... You can believe it's wrong to kill a fetus, but you'll have to understand that not everyone agrees with you on that point...)

children having easy access to porn on the internet is morally corrupt;

I don't see how... Besides, that's a parental issue: if you don't want your kid to see it, monitor their Internet activity, install filtering software, etc... But, who is the morally corrupt person in this case in your mind? The kids accessing the smut? Their parents for not preventing them from doing so? Surely not the people making it available to adults on the Internet who aren't responsible for your kids finding it and then lying by claiming to be 18 or older in order to access it?

the news media being in bed with big business is morally corrupt; CEO's taking big paydays while pay cutting jobs and/or not paying decent wages is morally corrupt.

These two I'll completely agree with you about...


The one thing that hasn't changed is we are all entitled to state our opinions and can agree to disagree.
 
2013-05-09 02:53:31 PM

Waldo Pepper: ciberido: Waldo Pepper: ciberido: No offense, but what statistics show is more important that what you feel.  Americans were not measurably safer or happier in the 1940s or 1950s than they are now.

happiness and safety are not a moral measurement.

If you're not concerned about the safety and happiness of the people who live in your society, then you are the immoral one.

It appears your definition of safety is measured only by criminal activity and yet how many treads on fark complain about helicopter parents who are concerned about their little snowflakes getting a boo boo. Past generations realized that a child getting hurt while playing was part of growing up and the child learning about the consequences of their actions.

Happiness is not the job of the government or society. one does not have to be middle or upper middle class to be happy or safe. Being poor, uneducated and living in a less then steller neighborhood is not morally corrupt.

Killing 3500  baby humans a day is morally corrupt; children having easy access to porn on the internet is morally corrupt; the news media being in bed with big business is morally corrupt; CEO's taking big paydays while pay cutting jobs and/or not paying decent wages is morally corrupt.


So basically if we don't play YOUR rules, we are morally corrupt? Do you think women being maimed/dead from illegal abortions is moral? Or being carted off to marry their suitor because they got pregnant at 17 moral? Or children reading dad's Hustler and Play Boy that he hid under the couch a sign of impurity?

'Cause those things certainly happened back then.
 
2013-05-09 03:20:04 PM

Lollipop165: Waldo Pepper: ciberido: Waldo Pepper: ciberido: No offense, but what statistics show is more important that what you feel.  Americans were not measurably safer or happier in the 1940s or 1950s than they are now.

happiness and safety are not a moral measurement.

If you're not concerned about the safety and happiness of the people who live in your society, then you are the immoral one.

It appears your definition of safety is measured only by criminal activity and yet how many treads on fark complain about helicopter parents who are concerned about their little snowflakes getting a boo boo. Past generations realized that a child getting hurt while playing was part of growing up and the child learning about the consequences of their actions.

Happiness is not the job of the government or society. one does not have to be middle or upper middle class to be happy or safe. Being poor, uneducated and living in a less then steller neighborhood is not morally corrupt.

Killing 3500  baby humans a day is morally corrupt; children having easy access to porn on the internet is morally corrupt; the news media being in bed with big business is morally corrupt; CEO's taking big paydays while pay cutting jobs and/or not paying decent wages is morally corrupt.

So basically if we don't play YOUR rules, we are morally corrupt? Do you think women being maimed/dead from illegal abortions is moral? Or being carted off to marry their suitor because they got pregnant at 17 moral? Or children reading dad's Hustler and Play Boy that he hid under the couch a sign of impurity?

'Cause those things certainly happened back then.


I'm not asking you to agree with what I consider to be moral and immoral; there are areas where we all agree on and there areas where may disagree.
 
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