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(USA Today)   Dear Cleveland police. 911 calls from neighbors about naked women being lead around on dog leashes MIGHT just be nothing more than a really swinging S&M party, but you still maybe oughta send a car by to check it out   (usatoday.com) divider line 160
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2013-05-08 12:38:03 PM

Speaker2Animals: cman: After everything that I have read on the case I am very angry

Thank god we have a federal law making it illegal to kill a fetus without the mothers permission. Constitution that allows the news media to report anything it wants without any concern over whether it's true.


While the constitution does protect the press, it matters not in this case, because my statement is backed up by fact
 
2013-05-08 12:40:17 PM
Emily Castro, Ariel's daughter, is serving 25 years in prison for attempting to murder her infant daughter.

It runs in the family!
 
2013-05-08 12:41:16 PM

dmax: How do you walk that line between "we're just having a good time" and "I'm a really bad person. No, really."
When someone horrible does something perverse and non-consensual, you would hope that the police would be able to know and stop it.
Or is it like the Internets, where the presence of so many trolls and weirdos make it unpossible to really know when someone's really messed up?...

Remember Dugard's kidnapping? Police missed that one too. Very very sad.


Dugard and this case also had contact with vulnerable people too. The female captor of Dugard worked as a caregiver for a vulnerable population while this Ariel Castro drove them on a bus. How was he NOT FIRED for the incident on the bus in 2004? Frightening!
 
2013-05-08 12:41:31 PM

SithLord: Magorn: SithLord: Who cares.  It's old news now.  What these men did shouldn't be a crime.  They were merely acting out their fantasies in the privacy of their own home.  They should be praised for coming out as doms.  What they did was not morally corrupt.  They should be allowed to marry their subs.  Praise the Cleveland police for not prying in the lives of private citizens and letting them carry on their business.

Kids should fear guns, not innocent kidnappers who just want to get their jollies.  What is wrong with the close-minded tea-tards?

hey look another "Conservative" who fails to understand the phrase "between CONSENTING adults"   HMM, maybe THAT's why Republicans are always going on about rape, because they just can;t wrap thier head around the concept?

Another liberal who doesn't understand I used your side's talking points when stating how morally corrupt this country has become.


No you didn't and that's what I'm pointing out.    We Liberals are big believers in "small government" you see, and so don;t believe that, as long as no one is being harmed, the government has a right to regulate private behavior,    Thus we are all in favor of anyone getting their swerve on in any fashion they like, so long as A) everyone involved is an adult B) everyone freely consents to the activity at hand.  Now which of those two conditions are not present in this scenario?  Equating these guys with the S&M community is about as offensive as the idiots that link homosexuality and pedophilia.
 
2013-05-08 12:44:16 PM
I enjoy S&M parties. That's when I mix my Skittles and M&M's, right?
 
2013-05-08 12:44:59 PM

umad: Exactly. Like another poster said, a very small minority women enjoy simulated rape, so the police should stop responding to reported rapes because it is probably just one of them. A small number of other people enjoy playing "fight club" so they should also stop responding to reported assaults as well. Contacting the parties involved to ensure that they are all consenting would take waaaay too much work, so it is best to assume that they are in the minority who do consent to such things.


And I understand that there are whole blocks in Detroit where most of the residents are "gunshot to the head" aficionados.  I've stopped questioning people's tastes and fetishes.  Live and let... well, not always *live*, in the strictest sense.
 
2013-05-08 12:48:47 PM
SO to get away with basically anything, you just have to not open the door when the police knock?
 
2013-05-08 12:49:34 PM

Anastacya: Please, Cleveland PD ignored a serial killer for years. There were abuse reports made by "crackheads" and "hookers" so they were not followed-up, and a madman was able to kill several women and keep their bodies in his home. The caveat? The complaints about rancid meat were traced to the meat factory down the street, so the health department cited them and they paid to have all new drainage systems installed. When the smells didn't stop, they kept fining the meat plant... all the while the bodies of seven women were decomposing in a house... including a few in the back yard, and because the people who tried to report it were "nobodies" the CPD didn't even inspect the house when the guy claimed it was a lover's quarrel.

Cleveland Police sucks. So glad that I escaped.


Did Charles Ramsey bust the door open for you?
 
2013-05-08 12:51:34 PM

Lollipop165: I think that people who engage in kinky practices such as pretend rape and D+S probably understand why perhaps a cop might stop by to make sure everything is okay. In fact, I'd be happy and feel much safer and have more faith in the system if that had indeed happened. Nothing wrong with being kinky, so long as all parties involved are okay with it. If someone calls and says they see a woman (or man) chained in a basement - yeah it COULD just be kinky sex but it also could be something much worse.


*raises hand*

I would much rather have to explain to the cops why I'm crawling around naked on a dog leash than risk having a kidnap/rape/abuse victim go undiscovered because the cops chose to ignore the call, for exactly the same reason I didn't mind having to explain to the cops a couple of times that no, my boyfriend wasn't abusing me, we were just having a very loud argument.  It's certainly true that the police can't investigate *every* call about someone getting freaky in the backyard, but most BDSM folks have the sense to keep scenes out of public view in the first place.

/And those who don't might do well to get a polite reminder about it. I know a guy who ended up serving six months of community service because he went out in the woods, undressed himself, put on handcuffs and leg cuffs, and went running around on the trails. He stumbled across a couple of hikers who called the police because they thought he was an escaped convict, and was charged with public indecency.
//So remember, kids, if you're going to run around naked and handcuffed in the woods, STAY OFF THE TRAILS.
 
2013-05-08 12:51:47 PM

Magorn: SithLord: Magorn: SithLord: Who cares.  It's old news now.  What these men did shouldn't be a crime.  They were merely acting out their fantasies in the privacy of their own home.  They should be praised for coming out as doms.  What they did was not morally corrupt.  They should be allowed to marry their subs.  Praise the Cleveland police for not prying in the lives of private citizens and letting them carry on their business.

Kids should fear guns, not innocent kidnappers who just want to get their jollies.  What is wrong with the close-minded tea-tards?

hey look another "Conservative" who fails to understand the phrase "between CONSENTING adults"   HMM, maybe THAT's why Republicans are always going on about rape, because they just can;t wrap thier head around the concept?

Another liberal who doesn't understand I used your side's talking points when stating how morally corrupt this country has become.

No you didn't and that's what I'm pointing out.    We Liberals are big believers in "small government" you see, and so don;t believe that, as long as no one is being harmed, the government has a right to regulate private behavior,    Thus we are all in favor of anyone getting their swerve on in any fashion they like, so long as A) everyone involved is an adult B) everyone freely consents to the activity at hand.  Now which of those two conditions are not present in this scenario?  Equating these guys with the S&M community is about as offensive as the idiots that link homosexuality and pedophilia.


As a Bible believe Christian I agree with you 100%.   Evil people come from every walk of life.

I believe in cases such as this that the death penalty should be on the table.
 
2013-05-08 12:52:07 PM

cchris_39: Diverting resources from traffic enforcement to actually fight crime?


look, if officers investigated every little phone call, they'd have to write more reports, and that would take away from fighting against traffic offenses.

what are you, some kind of anarchist?
 
2013-05-08 12:53:31 PM

SithLord: Magorn: SithLord: Who cares.  It's old news now.  What these men did shouldn't be a crime.  They were merely acting out their fantasies in the privacy of their own home.  They should be praised for coming out as doms.  What they did was not morally corrupt.  They should be allowed to marry their subs.  Praise the Cleveland police for not prying in the lives of private citizens and letting them carry on their business.

Kids should fear guns, not innocent kidnappers who just want to get their jollies.  What is wrong with the close-minded tea-tards?

hey look another "Conservative" who fails to understand the phrase "between CONSENTING adults"   HMM, maybe THAT's why Republicans are always going on about rape, because they just can;t wrap thier head around the concept?

Another liberal who doesn't understand I used your side's talking points when stating how morally corrupt this country has become.


If you're not trolling, kindly pick a decade in this nation's history when you think we were less 'morally corrupt'.
 
2013-05-08 12:54:04 PM
I bet if someone told the police there was weed in that house, the SWAT team would have surrounded the place immediately.
 
2013-05-08 12:54:21 PM

Waldo Pepper: Magorn: SithLord: Magorn: SithLord: Who cares.  It's old news now.  What these men did shouldn't be a crime.  They were merely acting out their fantasies in the privacy of their own home.  They should be praised for coming out as doms.  What they did was not morally corrupt.  They should be allowed to marry their subs.  Praise the Cleveland police for not prying in the lives of private citizens and letting them carry on their business.

Kids should fear guns, not innocent kidnappers who just want to get their jollies.  What is wrong with the close-minded tea-tards?

hey look another "Conservative" who fails to understand the phrase "between CONSENTING adults"   HMM, maybe THAT's why Republicans are always going on about rape, because they just can;t wrap thier head around the concept?

Another liberal who doesn't understand I used your side's talking points when stating how morally corrupt this country has become.

No you didn't and that's what I'm pointing out.    We Liberals are big believers in "small government" you see, and so don;t believe that, as long as no one is being harmed, the government has a right to regulate private behavior,    Thus we are all in favor of anyone getting their swerve on in any fashion they like, so long as A) everyone involved is an adult B) everyone freely consents to the activity at hand.  Now which of those two conditions are not present in this scenario?  Equating these guys with the S&M community is about as offensive as the idiots that link homosexuality and pedophilia.

As a Bible believe Christian I agree with you 100%.   Evil people come from every walk of life.

I believe in cases such as this that the death penalty should be on the table.


Death penalty?  No.  Life in gen-pop.  Let's see what happens.
 
2013-05-08 12:55:41 PM

Magorn: SithLord: Magorn: SithLord: Who cares.  It's old news now.  What these men did shouldn't be a crime.  They were merely acting out their fantasies in the privacy of their own home.  They should be praised for coming out as doms.  What they did was not morally corrupt.  They should be allowed to marry their subs.  Praise the Cleveland police for not prying in the lives of private citizens and letting them carry on their business.

Kids should fear guns, not innocent kidnappers who just want to get their jollies.  What is wrong with the close-minded tea-tards?

hey look another "Conservative" who fails to understand the phrase "between CONSENTING adults"   HMM, maybe THAT's why Republicans are always going on about rape, because they just can;t wrap thier head around the concept?

Another liberal who doesn't understand I used your side's talking points when stating how morally corrupt this country has become.

No you didn't and that's what I'm pointing out.    We Liberals are big believers in "small government" you see, and so don;t believe that, as long as no one is being harmed, the government has a right to regulate private behavior,    Thus we are all in favor of anyone getting their swerve on in any fashion they like, so long as A) everyone involved is an adult B) everyone freely consents to the activity at hand.  Now which of those two conditions are not present in this scenario?  Equating these guys with the S&M community is about as offensive as the idiots that link homosexuality and pedophilia.


Explain to me how sodomy is any less offensive than rape.
 
2013-05-08 12:56:10 PM
Sounds like a typical PD in Ohio.

But eh, this is what small government looks like.
 
2013-05-08 12:57:17 PM

PunGent: SithLord: Magorn: SithLord: Who cares.  It's old news now.  What these men did shouldn't be a crime.  They were merely acting out their fantasies in the privacy of their own home.  They should be praised for coming out as doms.  What they did was not morally corrupt.  They should be allowed to marry their subs.  Praise the Cleveland police for not prying in the lives of private citizens and letting them carry on their business.

Kids should fear guns, not innocent kidnappers who just want to get their jollies.  What is wrong with the close-minded tea-tards?

hey look another "Conservative" who fails to understand the phrase "between CONSENTING adults"   HMM, maybe THAT's why Republicans are always going on about rape, because they just can;t wrap thier head around the concept?

Another liberal who doesn't understand I used your side's talking points when stating how morally corrupt this country has become.

If you're not trolling, kindly pick a decade in this nation's history when you think we were less 'morally corrupt'.


Any decade prior to the 60s.
 
2013-05-08 12:57:34 PM

SithLord: Explain to me how sodomy is any less offensive than rape.


Uhhhh
 
2013-05-08 12:58:02 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: I don't even want to imagine the beating you'd catch for accidently coming on a cop.


Yeah, they hate that.
 
2013-05-08 12:58:13 PM

SithLord: PunGent: SithLord: Magorn: SithLord: Who cares.  It's old news now.  What these men did shouldn't be a crime.  They were merely acting out their fantasies in the privacy of their own home.  They should be praised for coming out as doms.  What they did was not morally corrupt.  They should be allowed to marry their subs.  Praise the Cleveland police for not prying in the lives of private citizens and letting them carry on their business.

Kids should fear guns, not innocent kidnappers who just want to get their jollies.  What is wrong with the close-minded tea-tards?

hey look another "Conservative" who fails to understand the phrase "between CONSENTING adults"   HMM, maybe THAT's why Republicans are always going on about rape, because they just can;t wrap thier head around the concept?

Another liberal who doesn't understand I used your side's talking points when stating how morally corrupt this country has become.

If you're not trolling, kindly pick a decade in this nation's history when you think we were less 'morally corrupt'.

Any decade prior to the 60s.


Leave it to Beaver wasn't a documentary.
 
2013-05-08 12:58:34 PM

HotWingConspiracy: SithLord: Explain to me how sodomy is any less offensive than rape.

Uhhhh


Someone needs a UFIA...  Sorta combines both, gives some food for thought...
 
2013-05-08 12:59:17 PM
both libtards and conservatards believe in small government for what they agree with, and big government for what they disagree with.

the argument often begins with "X is less regulated than Y, and that is wrong."

X or Y could be abortion, gun control, free speech, religious practices, etc.
 
2013-05-08 01:02:04 PM
Clearly Cleveland does not have anough police to allow them to investigate every 'naked on dog collared women' in back yard of a completely covered-up creepy house with creepy, fired bus driver and creppy brothers in it. They are busy sending 100+ officers to shoot 137 times at 2 people (granted they were BAD prople) who refused to stop their car and give-up to police
 
2013-05-08 01:05:13 PM

Amidala: Anastacya: Please, Cleveland PD ignored a serial killer for years. There were abuse reports made by "crackheads" and "hookers" so they were not followed-up, and a madman was able to kill several women and keep their bodies in his home. The caveat? The complaints about rancid meat were traced to the meat factory down the street, so the health department cited them and they paid to have all new drainage systems installed. When the smells didn't stop, they kept fining the meat plant... all the while the bodies of seven women were decomposing in a house... including a few in the back yard, and because the people who tried to report it were "nobodies" the CPD didn't even inspect the house when the guy claimed it was a lover's quarrel.

Cleveland Police sucks. So glad that I escaped.

Did Charles Ramsey bust the door open for you?


No, but my ex-husband hit me so hard in the face that he fractured my skull. I left him by packing up my car with what I could carry, taking my dog, and fled while he was at work. I had help. It wasn't Charles Ramsey, but it was a man who was equally heroic.
 
2013-05-08 01:05:13 PM

PunGent: SithLord: Magorn: SithLord: Who cares.  It's old news now.  What these men did shouldn't be a crime.  They were merely acting out their fantasies in the privacy of their own home.  They should be praised for coming out as doms.  What they did was not morally corrupt.  They should be allowed to marry their subs.  Praise the Cleveland police for not prying in the lives of private citizens and letting them carry on their business.

Kids should fear guns, not innocent kidnappers who just want to get their jollies.  What is wrong with the close-minded tea-tards?

hey look another "Conservative" who fails to understand the phrase "between CONSENTING adults"   HMM, maybe THAT's why Republicans are always going on about rape, because they just can;t wrap thier head around the concept?

Another liberal who doesn't understand I used your side's talking points when stating how morally corrupt this country has become.

If you're not trolling, kindly pick a decade in this nation's history when you think we were less 'morally corrupt'.


1940's
 
2013-05-08 01:11:20 PM

Waldo Pepper: 1940's


He said if you're not trolling, dude.
 
2013-05-08 01:11:46 PM

cman: Speaker2Animals: cman: After everything that I have read on the case I am very angry

Thank god we have a federal law making it illegal to kill a fetus without the mothers permission. Constitution that allows the news media to report anything it wants without any concern over whether it's true.

While the constitution does protect the press, it matters not in this case, because my statement is backed up by fact


Umm, I wasn't referring to that, Sparky -- I was referring to the "everything I've read on the case" and you apparently believing it.
 
2013-05-08 01:12:00 PM

SithLord: Death penalty?  No.  Life in gen-pop.  Let's see what happens.



Same difference.
 
2013-05-08 01:18:45 PM

Deucednuisance: Waldo Pepper: 1940's

He said if you're not trolling, dude.


heh... in the 1940's, Chinamen were excluded from citizenship & could not legally own property, blacks were also second class citizens, japs and others were rounded up into prison
camps, but greatest generation (tm)!!!!11!1!!!
 
2013-05-08 01:21:04 PM

EdNortonsTwin: I hope the pukes who took these girls get 23.5 hours of solitary a day for the remainder of their miserable lives.

Restraining them to a chair with the same ropes and chains in the same house they held these girls in and letting the fathers of said girls go at them with immunity is far more fitting.

yea I know, rule of law and such.


Given that opportunity, I would simply execute them and move on with my life. I'm no sadist, even in revenge, but I will take out the trash.
 
2013-05-08 01:24:58 PM

dfenstrate: Given that opportunity, I would simply execute them and move on with my life.


Are you a sociopath?
 
2013-05-08 01:29:28 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: colinspooky: hindsight

Exactly.  Leading a woman around on a leash, while it might not be your thing, is not illegal.


it is if it is against her will.  Like, if it was part of her imprisonment.  And between this and the guy that had 11 women's bodies buried in his backyard, I think it is fair to say Cleveland police have failed to serve and protect their community.
 
2013-05-08 01:29:32 PM
naked women on leashes crawling on all fours
www.screeninsults.com

/1 ticket, please
 
2013-05-08 01:32:31 PM

HotWingConspiracy: dfenstrate: Given that opportunity, I would simply execute them and move on with my life.

Are you a sociopath?


The guy I was responding to was advocating punitive torture. Did you get 'up in his grill'?
 
2013-05-08 01:34:16 PM

Magorn: Benevolent Misanthrope: colinspooky: hindsight

Exactly.  Leading a woman around on a leash, while it might not be your thing, is not illegal.

however leading a NAKED one around on a leash outside, at the very least violates public deceny laws which is enough to check it ou


Not if it's in the backyard.

I cast spells naked in the backyard as part of my spiritual path. I would really rather not have to interrupt my ritual every single time because some fricken busybody thinks I'm doing something demonic.

/key phrase is "expectation of privacy"
 
2013-05-08 01:35:29 PM
I think the 3 victims will need police protection........from the hoard of lawyers!

/ now know why girls have that 6th sense called the creepy sense
 
2013-05-08 01:36:11 PM

HotWingConspiracy: dfenstrate: Given that opportunity, I would simply execute them and move on with my life.

Are you a sociopath?


He probably isn't.  Many of us are capable of doing what is necessary without the emotional baggage that often accompanies such an act.  Case in point, we regularly euthanize rodents at the ends of our studies.  This affects some people in the lab more than others, but I wouldn't call any of us sociopaths.  If you'd like to make the argument that this is another human being? Well, I'm of the opinion that we're all animals responding to environmental stimuli (i.e., learning) and for some, this learning is maladaptive. You don't imprison a dangerous animal, you euthanize it.
 
2013-05-08 01:36:26 PM

dfenstrate: HotWingConspiracy: dfenstrate: Given that opportunity, I would simply execute them and move on with my life.

Are you a sociopath?

The guy I was responding to was advocating punitive torture. Did you get 'up in his grill'?


You didn't answer the question.
 
2013-05-08 01:36:30 PM
Magorn:

No you didn't and that's what I'm pointing out.    We Liberals are big believers in "small government" you see, and so don;t believe that, as long as no one is being harmed, the government has a right to regulate private behavior,    Thus we are all in favor of anyone getting their swerve on in any fashion they like, so long as A) everyone involved is an adult B) everyone freely consents to the activity at hand.  Now which of those two conditions are not present in this scenario?  Equating these guys with the S&M community is about as offensive as the idiots that link homosexuality and pedophilia.

Liberals are big believers in sexual license. That's the only 'small government' aspect of the liberal's agenda.
"F*ck anything, anyway you like, and never have to deal with the consequences. Anything else, better have the right goddamn forms filled out and the proper fees paid, and if you can't manage those things, well, f*ck off then."
 
2013-05-08 01:38:52 PM

Abuse Liability: HotWingConspiracy: dfenstrate: Given that opportunity, I would simply execute them and move on with my life.

Are you a sociopath?

He probably isn't.  Many of us are capable of doing what is necessary without the emotional baggage that often accompanies such an act.  Case in point, we regularly euthanize rodents at the ends of our studies.  This affects some people in the lab more than others, but I wouldn't call any of us sociopaths.  If you'd like to make the argument that this is another human being? Well, I'm of the opinion that we're all animals responding to environmental stimuli (i.e., learning) and for some, this learning is maladaptive. You don't imprison a dangerous animal, you euthanize it.


Well you're either a sociopath or just another shiat talking internet bad ass.

You'd either puss out or spend the rest of your life attempting to drink away the scene if you executed bound humans.
 
2013-05-08 01:40:32 PM

HotWingConspiracy: You didn't answer the question


Good thing I don't need to justify myself to you. But you can refer to Abuse Liability's response.

And maybe you can go fetch these nice gentlemen a tea, and have a chat with them about why they felt the need to imprison and degrade three people for over a decade. Maybe you'll come to see their side of things, and a mutual understanding that enhances everyone's lives can be reached.

I'm starting to think that with your psychological skills, you're just the person to handle this for the nation.
 
2013-05-08 01:42:12 PM

dfenstrate: HotWingConspiracy: You didn't answer the question

Good thing I don't need to justify myself to you. But you can refer to Abuse Liability's response.

And maybe you can go fetch these nice gentlemen a tea, and have a chat with them about why they felt the need to imprison and degrade three people for over a decade. Maybe you'll come to see their side of things, and a mutual understanding that enhances everyone's lives can be reached.

I'm starting to think that with your psychological skills, you're just the person to handle this for the nation.


Hey look another shiat talking internet bad ass.
 
2013-05-08 01:45:22 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Abuse Liability: HotWingConspiracy: dfenstrate: Given that opportunity, I would simply execute them and move on with my life.

Are you a sociopath?

He probably isn't.  Many of us are capable of doing what is necessary without the emotional baggage that often accompanies such an act.  Case in point, we regularly euthanize rodents at the ends of our studies.  This affects some people in the lab more than others, but I wouldn't call any of us sociopaths.  If you'd like to make the argument that this is another human being? Well, I'm of the opinion that we're all animals responding to environmental stimuli (i.e., learning) and for some, this learning is maladaptive. You don't imprison a dangerous animal, you euthanize it.

Well you're either a sociopath or just another shiat talking internet bad ass.

You'd either puss out or spend the rest of your life attempting to drink away the scene if you executed bound humans.


Those are the only two options?  Very open-minded.   I'm not advocating killing this man as a deterrent (numerous statistical studies have shown how lackluster this method is for crime prevention) or even as vengeance.    However,recidivism rates for criminals that are put to death are zero.  Also note that I did not volunteer for this job, as I probably would be too squeemish with years of cultural indoctrination about the sanctity of life (even human pieces of garbage life).  But hey, if the other poster can do it, kudos to him.
 
2013-05-08 01:47:32 PM
I'd hardly consider myself a badass. We only euthanize out of necessity and because we think the data generated by serum and blood levels may be useful to science in general.  I don't get some grim satisfaction from using the guillotine.  At least I don't think I got a boner the last time...
 
2013-05-08 01:50:45 PM

Abuse Liability: However,recidivism rates for criminals that are put to death are zero.


What are the recidivism stats for people that have imprisoned others for 10 years?
 
2013-05-08 01:50:48 PM
serum and *brain levels (e.g., neurotransmitters, horomones, whatever else may be of interest in your study).  serum and blood aren't exactly the same thing but close enough for that statement to be redundant.
 
2013-05-08 01:51:59 PM

legion_of_doo: Deucednuisance: Waldo Pepper: 1940's

He said if you're not trolling, dude.

heh... in the 1940's, Chinamen were excluded from citizenship & could not legally own property, blacks were also second class citizens, japs and others were rounded up into prison
camps, but greatest generation (tm)!!!!11!1!!!


All of those are morally wrong but not necessarily corrupt. Also in the 40's restrictions were lifted allowing Chinese to immigrate.
 
2013-05-08 01:54:21 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Abuse Liability: However,recidivism rates for criminals that are put to death are zero.

What are the recidivism stats for people that have imprisoned others for 10 years?


I assume you mean recidivism rates for sexual offenders? there's a subsection devoted to it in the wikipedia entry with credible sources.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_offender
 
2013-05-08 01:56:27 PM

Abuse Liability: I assume you mean recidivism rates for sexual offenders?


No, I would have said that if that was the case.
 
2013-05-08 01:56:37 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: naked women on leashes crawling on all fours
[www.screeninsults.com image 590x324]

/1 ticket, please


"What's wrong with sexy?"
 
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