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2013-05-08 06:01:53 PM

iheartscotch: I've always felt that, like Native Americans; if you kill an animal, you should use all of the parts possible. You shouldn't waste anything or as little as humanly possible.

 
Err...not always:  (scroll down a bit)
 
http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/tserve/nattrans/ntecoindian/essa ys /buffalob.htm
 
2013-05-08 06:16:02 PM

dittybopper: manimal2878: dittybopper: manimal2878: any subsistance or market hunter that practiced sustainability would see that conservation would prolong their livelihood or food source, you don't have to be a privileged sport hunter to look toward sustainable practices.

There is tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of years of evidence proving you wrong

Really?  There is thousands of years of evidence proving that sustainable practices don't work if implemented
 by anyone other than sports hunters?  Maybe you misread what I wrote, because that statement is full on retarded.

No, thousands upon ythousands of years of evidence that people who hunt to fill their bellies don't care about 'sustainable' practices.  They just care where their next meal comes from.

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The fact s when people wish o be sustainable, they give up huntting, they take their animal by means of domestication.  WHichh is why catte and poultry have not been hunted to extinction.
 
2013-05-08 06:16:59 PM
The level of reading comprehension and logic fail in this thread shouldn't surprise me, but it does.

dittybopper there's a reason you're highlighted in a spiffy green, keep up the good work, and good luck to littlebopper.
 
2013-05-08 06:18:18 PM

plausdeny: The hunter gets a taxidermy trophy.  Meanwhile, due to economic incentives, the habitat is protected and the hunted species increases.  Everyone wins except the whiners.


Whiners never win.  Winners never whine.
 
2013-05-08 06:19:56 PM

JH3675: manimal2878: dittybopper: manimal2878: any subsistance or market hunter that practiced sustainability would see that conservation would prolong their livelihood or food source, you don't have to be a privileged sport hunter to look toward sustainable practices.

There is tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of years of evidence proving you wrong

Really?  There is thousands of years of evidence proving that sustainable practices don't work if implemented by anyone other than sports hunters?  Maybe you misread what I wrote, because that statement is full on retarded.

You moved the goalpost with "... that practice sustainability." The fact is that for tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of years sustainable practices were not...um... practiced.  It took the appearance of the sport hunter to come up with even the idea of sustainable hunting.  So yes, if market or subsistence hunters had developed sustainable practices it would have worked.  Unfortunately for you, the sport hunters you have such a raging hard-on agSainst developed them, put them into practice, and are reaping the rewards of them today.


You not having a good grasp on reading comprehension does not constitute me moving the goalposts at all.  The susteinable practice is to limit hunting and move to domestication so that your subsistane leaves willd game alone.  My life experiances tell me a much different story about sports hunters than your idealised version of the sportshunter, which to me is basically a myth.
 
2013-05-08 06:20:22 PM
I fail to see the irony. If a hunter isn't also a conservationist, his sport won't last very long.
 
2013-05-08 06:37:59 PM

manimal2878: The fact s when people wish o be sustainable, they give up huntting, they take their animal by means of domestication. WHichh is why catte and poultry have not been hunted to extinction.


Moving the goalpost again.  We are not talking about a sustainable source of food.  We are talking about a sustainable source of wild animals for hunting.  I have no problem admitting that hunting is a full on head rush.  Stalking a wild animal, with its hyper-tuned senses, and coming out victorious is a feeling like no other.  Like most hunters I eat every animal I kill and actually spend my money and time in a effort to create habitat for the species I hunt.  While I do not use primitive weapons like dittybopper, I also don't sit over a corn pile with a sniper rifle.  Trying to couch your argument in terms of sustainability and eco-friendliness does nothing more than reveal your ignorance about which you speak.
 
2013-05-08 07:25:39 PM
One shot, meat
Two shot, maybe.
Three shot, heap shait.
~Hemmingway.
 
2013-05-08 07:49:21 PM
Don't hunt myself, just because I don't have the stomach to field strip a mammal. For some reason though, I have no problem cleaning a fish for food, or rattlesnakes for tasty food, and prize rattle. Won't clean other snakes though, because most of them stink. You don't need a hunting license to kill a rattle snake. Fishing license required to catch any fish.

If I were to go hunting it would be for wild boar, and pigs. They are a nuisance, and need to be curbed. Pig is also delicious. Rabbit is also good. Tried squirrel once when I was a kid, and have no memory of how it was. I just ate it. Venison, I do not like. Too gamey. Quail is also good, but just not worth my time or effort. Wouldn't mind turkey or pheasant hunting, but it's not that important to me to give it a try.

What I do a lot is fishing, and have been fishing all across the country. Some of the funnest fishing is catch and release. Pike, Pickerel, Striped bass fishing in the Hudson River, Carp, Bat Rays and Sturgeon in San Francisco Bay(heard sturgeon may not be illegal to fish for), and Bowfin. Chain Pickerel is one that really tastes good, but are so bony it makes you wonder if it is worth it. There is a way to fillet them to get rid of most the bones, but is a pain in the ass. They are also slimy as hell(not the meat).

Then there are eating fish. All catfish are good, but the bigger they are the muddier they taste. I like to keep the smaller ones for eating, and let the big ones go. Big Mouth bass are also very good, but the lower part of their flesh tends to taste a combination of very fishy and mud. Same deal, I let keep the barely legal ones, and let the big ones go. Trout are perhaps the cleanest tasting fish with a nice little tang, I keep all of them no matter the size. Yellow Perch, Blue Gills, and Crappie I will keep at any size large enough to pan fry. Striped Bass on the west coast let those in the ocean and San Francisco Bay and tributaries always go, but go ahead and keep those you catch at San Louise Reservoir and aqueducts leading to it. Sand dabs, flounder, halibut, surf perch, and mackerel are all delicious are all delicious off the coast. There are size limits on halibut, and watch their teeth. Deep sea lings, salmon, and rock fish are all delicious as well. You have to likely take a guided boat out, and they will tell you what you can keep and what you can't. They can also tell you what is garbage(brown spot). Never been albacore fishing. Monterey and San Francisco have many great guides.

There is also crabbing. I will keep every Dungeness Crab every time they are of legal size in season. So delicious.

Gulf fishing Red Drums and Speckled Trout are the only two I've fished for. They are very regulated, but delicious. If you are just visiting, release them. Never catch and keep more than you need, unless you have someone to give the extra meat to.
 
2013-05-08 07:53:20 PM

JH3675: manimal2878: The fact s when people wish o be sustainable, they give up huntting, they take their animal by means of domestication. WHichh is why catte and poultry have not been hunted to extinction.

Moving the goalpost again.  We are not talking about a sustainable source of food.  We are talking about a sustainable source of wild animals for hunting.  I have no problem admitting that hunting is a full on head rush.  Stalking a wild animal, with its hyper-tuned senses, and coming out victorious is a feeling like no other.  Like most hunters I eat every animal I kill and actually spend my money and time in a effort to create habitat for the species I hunt.  While I do not use primitive weapons like dittybopper, I also don't sit over a corn pile with a sniper rifle.  Trying to couch your argument in terms of sustainability and eco-friendliness does nothing more than reveal your ignorance about which you speak.


Something many who don't fish or hunt don't realize is that hunters and fisherman care very much about keeping our waters clean, and making sure habitats sustainable for wildlife with a clean environment. I had a teacher like that in high school who was very radical. He was practically trying to brain was us all into thinking people who hunt just wanted to wipe out everything, and were in a race to do so. Sounds like some farkers think the same way.
 
2013-05-08 07:54:57 PM

muck4doo: JH3675: manimal2878: The fact s when people wish o be sustainable, they give up huntting, they take their animal by means of domestication. WHichh is why catte and poultry have not been hunted to extinction.

Moving the goalpost again.  We are not talking about a sustainable source of food.  We are talking about a sustainable source of wild animals for hunting.  I have no problem admitting that hunting is a full on head rush.  Stalking a wild animal, with its hyper-tuned senses, and coming out victorious is a feeling like no other.  Like most hunters I eat every animal I kill and actually spend my money and time in a effort to create habitat for the species I hunt.  While I do not use primitive weapons like dittybopper, I also don't sit over a corn pile with a sniper rifle.  Trying to couch your argument in terms of sustainability and eco-friendliness does nothing more than reveal your ignorance about which you speak.

Something many who don't fish or hunt don't realize is that hunters and fisherman care very much about keeping our waters clean, and making sure habitats sustainable for wildlife with a clean environment. I had a teacher like that in high school who was very radical. He was practically trying to brain wash us all into thinking people who hunt just wanted to wipe out everything, and were in a race to do so. Sounds like some farkers think the same way.


FTFM
 
2013-05-08 08:29:54 PM
Just a little tale for people that don't understand the conservation effect of sports hunting, and the horrible unintended consequences of screwing with it.

Sport hunting is a huge sport here in Texas.  Billion dollar industry type huge.  So big in fact that many Texas game ranches had larger populations of exotic animals than existed in their native habitats.  It is such a huge business that there were tens of thousands of animals living in Texas that are considered to be extinct in their native environments.  Of course, those animals existed pretty much exclusively to allow a hunter to have the chance to hunt them.

Now, the thing about exotic trophy hunting is that for every trophy category animal, you will have dozens, if not hundreds who live out their lives without ever being hunted because they weren't the best of the best, so you end up with large, viable herds of animals that don't exist anywhere else on the planet and only a small portion of  them ever get killed by a hunter.

Well, along came PETA and some other animal rights groups and convinced Congress that if the animals were on the endangered species list back home, they should also be protected here too, and now they are all protected from hunting.  The ranches with these herds were given a certain amount of time after which they would have to register their animals and deaths would need to be recorded an investigated to make sure they weren't being "poached".

Well, wouldn't you know it, tens of thousands of endangered animals all up and died all mysterious like before the deadline.  The ranches simply couldn't afford to keep them if they couldn't derive income from them.  Instead of having protected and sustainable herds of endangered animals, now they are all but extinct again, because someone had to save the animals from the hunters...
 
2013-05-08 09:18:25 PM
Something I'm surprised that wasn't mentioned, is Hornady's Cap can wrap you in a cocoon.

/Warehouse 13.
 
2013-05-08 09:19:21 PM
Do farkers buy free range eggs at the supermarket ?  Well I like free range meat. And no - hunting is not meant to be fair to the animal. The idea of hunting is to kill the animal as quickly and as humanely as possible before harvesting the meat. Yes you have to get your hands bloody - and that is part of the karmic price I pay for killing and consuming the animal. Wheras most meat eaters outsource their killing and butchering to a factory.  There is no comparison of the flavour and the food value between free range meat and factory meat.
 
2013-05-08 09:52:15 PM

JH3675: manimal2878: The fact s when people wish o be sustainable, they give up huntting, they take their animal by means of domestication. WHichh is why catte and poultry have not been hunted to extinction.

Moving the goalpost again.  We are not talking about a sustainable source of food.  We are talking about a sustainable source of wild animals for hunting.  I have no problem admitting that hunting is a full on head rush.  Stalking a wild animal, with its hyper-tuned senses, and coming out victorious is a feeling like no other.  Like most hunters I eat every animal I kill and actually spend my money and time in a effort to create habitat for the species I hunt.  While I do not use primitive weapons like dittybopper, I also don't sit over a corn pile with a sniper rifle.  Trying to couch your argument in terms of sustainability and eco-friendliness does nothing more than reveal your ignorance about which you speak.

Guess what, among hunters you are the exception, most don't give a shiat about conservation or sustaining the sport.
 
2013-05-08 10:46:56 PM

Sgt.Zim: The level of reading comprehension and logic fail in this thread shouldn't surprise me, but it does.

dittybopper there's a reason you're highlighted in a spiffy green, keep up the good work, and good luck to littlebopper.


Thanks.  We won 12 to 1.
 
2013-05-08 10:50:04 PM

PunGent: ficklefkrfark: dittybopper: Maud Dib: dittybopper:
3. Sport hunting.  This is hunting because you enjoy the challenge and the chase.  You may eat the animal afterwards, but the primary purpose is because you enjoy it.
 
What sport hunting might look like...
 
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Ahh, the thrill of the chase.
 
Relentlessly stalking baiting the prey....
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Actually, this is what I use:

/Well *TECHNICALLY* that head I knapped is too small to hunt big game with in my state, but it's OK for small game and varmints like coyote.
//Am going to knap some bigger heads for the coming bow season
 
Much respect, I don't believe most people have any idea how much effort and skill goes into learning and honing primitive survival skills.
 
Oh, please.  Just the other day I went to the supermarket, and returned with my kills, WITHOUT using my GPS or even my cell phone to call my wife to ask what was on the list.


Same here.

Truth be told, I didn't get anything this last season.  That's a feature for me, though, makes me want to be *BETTER*, to practice more, and to be a better stalker.

If I were in an actual survival situation, though, where I'd be hunting to survive, I'd be violating fair chase rules like they were a drunken debutante with daddy issues.  First thing I set is some deer snares.
 
2013-05-08 10:53:35 PM

dryknife: Can you imagine if he'd only had an AR-15?


In .223 Remington?  Too weak for most big and/or dangerous game.  In fact, for a long time, it was derided as a "poodle shooter" by people used to full sized rifle cartridges, and even today, it's marginal for deer sized game, to the point where a number of states outlaw it's use.
 
2013-05-08 11:35:06 PM

dittybopper: DeathCipris: dittybopper: DeathCipris: dittybopper: DeathCipris: Damn, Squanto!

OH, and the name's not Squanto.  It's Magua.  Le Renard if you're nasty.

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I totally just said whatever came to my mind and meant no offense. Your equipment certainly looked Native American in origin.

You don't know who Magua is?

No idea. I was just CYA in case you were an angry Native American or something. You hunt with home-made flint knapped arrow tips and a black power muzzle loading rifle. I am not that moronic to piss you off lest I wish my own death...:D

This is Magua, as portrayed by Wes Studi in the film "Last of the Mohicans":

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He is one of the all-time bad-ass bad guys.


he's terribly mysterious.
 
2013-05-08 11:37:19 PM

manimal2878: Guess what, among hunters you are the exception, most don't give a shiat about conservation or sustaining the sport.


When I was but a wee lad my grandfather gave me a valuable piece of advice: "Hunt like you live.  Honorably and humanely, or like a shiatbag."  (I may have paraphrased that a little.)  In my experience that is true.  Dirtbags hunt (and poach) like dirtbags.  Casual hunters normally follow the rules, but some view them as guidelines rather than the laws they are. They are also more likely to shoot themselves in the knee with a rifle.  A real, legitimate, hunter views their prey as an equal. Only a quick, legal, honorable death will suffice.  I suggest you spend more time with good 'ole boys and less time around rednecks and dirtbag white trash. There really is a difference.

/I know because my family has all three types.  Plus a few subgroups.
 
2013-05-08 11:41:36 PM

dittybopper: No, thousands upon thousands of years of evidence that people who hunt to fill their bellies don't care about 'sustainable' practices. They just care where their next meal comes from.


I have no idea how accurate that graph is but I have to question it based on the contained spelling of Australia. Austrailia?

GUTSU: Oh look another thread with whiny liberals complaining about hunting while they have never hunted, or probably been in the woods. Want to know what you're going to do about sport hunting? Absolutely nothing, oh you'll remember how someone hunted a hippo or a grizzly bear and think mean thoughts, maybe say they have a small dick. That's all you'll do, because you won't actually do anything productive, you won't volunteer to help reintroduce spruce grouse, you won't hunt problem bears. You'd prefer to sit in your apartments and call the people that actually support wildlife conservation limp dicked pussies.
 
In short,
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I'm a whiny liberal and while I've never personally shot an animal, I absolutely could have on dozens of occasions if I wanted to bring the rifle. Deer aren't that smart and there are gobs of them on my in-law's property. I do eat the venison fealty that their friend pays in exchange for hunting access, but I haven't bothered to get a license because I am paranoid about screwing it up and making the critter suffer in a non-clean kill.

The rabbit in the garden was a surprise though, so we weren't prepared to take him out and he got away. I have a vendetta against rabbits but they are wiley around here.
 
2013-05-08 11:42:04 PM

Click Click D'oh: Just a little tale for people that don't understand the conservation effect of sports hunting, and the horrible unintended consequences of screwing with it.

Sport hunting is a huge sport here in Texas.  Billion dollar industry type huge.  So big in fact that many Texas game ranches had larger populations of exotic animals than existed in their native habitats.  It is such a huge business that there were tens of thousands of animals living in Texas that are considered to be extinct in their native environments.  Of course, those animals existed pretty much exclusively to allow a hunter to have the chance to hunt them.


The wife and I are heading down to Texas in a couple of weeks to attempt to  help reduce the feral hog population. Looking forward to some fresh pork chops and spending a few days outdoors.
 
2013-05-08 11:58:17 PM

dittybopper: dryknife: Can you imagine if he'd only had an AR-15?

In .223 Remington?  Too weak for most big and/or dangerous game.  In fact, for a long time, it was derided as a "poodle shooter" by people used to full sized rifle cartridges, and even today, it's marginal for deer sized game, to the point where a number of states outlaw it's use.


I've met a lot of people who think it's ethical or humane to hunt deer and hogs with .223 or even .22. "It's all about shot placement" they all say. Well sure, if you put the round right in the ear canal of a hog, and you can do it each and every time to guarantee a clean kill, but I'm still going to think you're (not you personally) an arsehole. I'm going to Texas on a hog trip in a couple of weeks and nobody is bringing anything smaller than 7mm. I've been teaching the wife, who has never gone hunting before, to shoot for the vital areas and she is taking a 7-08. She can consistently hit the target area at 100 yards, so I'm confident barring some kind of freakout at the moment of truth, that she will be able to drop her hog in a single shot. She's asked about using .223 and I flat out told her that was a no-go as well as attempted head shots. Hell, I shoot sub-MOA with my 300 WSM and I'm sticking to the vitals area.

/yes, she's going to clean her own hog
//bbq pork ribs and chops!
 
2013-05-09 12:53:31 AM

dittybopper: dryknife: Can you imagine if he'd only had an AR-15?

In .223 Remington?  Too weak for most big and/or dangerous game.  In fact, for a long time, it was derided as a "poodle shooter" by people used to full sized rifle cartridges, and even today, it's marginal for deer sized game, to the point where a number of states outlaw it's use.


Good for groundhogs :)
 
2013-05-09 01:05:49 AM

CthulhuCalling: Click Click D'oh: Just a little tale for people that don't understand the conservation effect of sports hunting, and the horrible unintended consequences of screwing with it.

Sport hunting is a huge sport here in Texas.  Billion dollar industry type huge.  So big in fact that many Texas game ranches had larger populations of exotic animals than existed in their native habitats.  It is such a huge business that there were tens of thousands of animals living in Texas that are considered to be extinct in their native environments.  Of course, those animals existed pretty much exclusively to allow a hunter to have the chance to hunt them.

The wife and I are heading down to Texas in a couple of weeks to attempt to  help reduce the feral hog population. Looking forward to some fresh pork chops and spending a few days outdoors.


Happy hunting, and you are doing a good and delicious job in God's work. :)
 
2013-05-09 06:35:59 AM

CthulhuCalling: dittybopper: dryknife: Can you imagine if he'd only had an AR-15?

In .223 Remington?  Too weak for most big and/or dangerous game.  In fact, for a long time, it was derided as a "poodle shooter" by people used to full sized rifle cartridges, and even today, it's marginal for deer sized game, to the point where a number of states outlaw it's use.

I've met a lot of people who think it's ethical or humane to hunt deer and hogs with .223 or even .22. "It's all about shot placement" they all say. Well sure, if you put the round right in the ear canal of a hog, and you can do it each and every time to guarantee a clean kill, but I'm still going to think you're (not you personally) an arsehole. I'm going to Texas on a hog trip in a couple of weeks and nobody is bringing anything smaller than 7mm. I've been teaching the wife, who has never gone hunting before, to shoot for the vital areas and she is taking a 7-08. She can consistently hit the target area at 100 yards, so I'm confident barring some kind of freakout at the moment of truth, that she will be able to drop her hog in a single shot. She's asked about using .223 and I flat out told her that was a no-go as well as attempted head shots. Hell, I shoot sub-MOA with my 300 WSM and I'm sticking to the vitals area.

/yes, she's going to clean her own hog
//bbq pork ribs and chops!


Pig hunting, eh?  Here's the legendary Bushman (I "met" him online in Battleground Europe, the only realtime WWII strategy fps worth a damn) hunting barefoot with a spear: (youtuge age sign-in required)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJGd7G2wYuU
 
2013-05-09 07:22:45 AM

ladyfortuna: dittybopper: No, thousands upon thousands of years of evidence that people who hunt to fill their bellies don't care about 'sustainable' practices. They just care where their next meal comes from.

I have no idea how accurate that graph is but I have to question it based on the contained spelling of Australia. Austrailia?



There is an extended treatment on the subject at the Wikipedia page where I pulled that graph from, including alternate hypotheses.


GUTSU: Oh look another thread with whiny liberals complaining about hunting while they have never hunted, or probably been in the woods. Want to know what you're going to do about sport hunting? Absolutely nothing, oh you'll remember how someone hunted a hippo or a grizzly bear and think mean thoughts, maybe say they have a small dick. That's all you'll do, because you won't actually do anything productive, you won't volunteer to help reintroduce spruce grouse, you won't hunt problem bears. You'd prefer to sit in your apartments and call the people that actually support wildlife conservation limp dicked pussies.
 
In short,
[i.imgur.com image 315x333]

I'm a whiny liberal and while I've never personally shot an animal, I absolutely could have on dozens of occasions if I wanted to bring the rifle. Deer aren't that smart and there are gobs of them on my in-law's property. I do eat the venison fealty that their friend pays in exchange for hunting access, but I haven't bothered to get a license because I am paranoid about screwing it up and making the critter suffer in a non-clean kill.

The rabbit in the garden was a surprise though, so we weren't prepared to take him out and he got away. I have a vendetta against rabbits but they are wiley around here.


At some point, if you hunt, you are going to screw it up, or even random happenstance is going to screw it up for you.

Nobody likes it, but that's the reality.  A deer takes a step forward just as your trigger breaks*, and instead of a double lung shot, it's gut shot.   It happens.

That shouldn't dissuade you from hunting if you want to try it.  What it should do is encourage you to be the best hunter you can be in order to minimize the times that's going to occur.


*In the sense of releasing the sear so that the gun fires, not in the sense of a malfunction.
 
2013-05-09 07:35:45 AM

JH3675: manimal2878: Guess what, among hunters you are the exception, most don't give a shiat about conservation or sustaining the sport.

When I was but a wee lad my grandfather gave me a valuable piece of advice: "Hunt like you live.  Honorably and humanely, or like a shiatbag."  (I may have paraphrased that a little.)  In my experience that is true.  Dirtbags hunt (and poach) like dirtbags.  Casual hunters normally follow the rules, but some view them as guidelines rather than the laws they are. They are also more likely to shoot themselves in the knee with a rifle.  A real, legitimate, hunter views their prey as an equal. Only a quick, legal, honorable death will suffice.  I suggest you spend more time with good 'ole boys and less time around rednecks and dirtbag white trash. There really is a difference.

/I know because my family has all three types.  Plus a few subgroups.


I agree with your grandfather.  If my experience with hunters was more in line with people like him, I would probably not call bull shiat on the idea that sport hunting promotes conservation. My experience is that the majority of those that hunt are not like him.
 
2013-05-09 07:45:59 AM

muck4doo: Something many who don't fish or hunt don't realize is that hunters and fisherman care very much about keeping our waters clean, and making sure habitats sustainable for wildlife with a clean environment. I had a teacher like that in high school who was very radical. He was practically trying to brain was us all into thinking people who hunt just wanted to wipe out everything, and were in a race to do so. Sounds like some farkers think the same way.


I have only hunted land game a few times in my life, (the company of most deer hunters completely turning me off the sport), but fish almost every weekend during the summer.  I can tell you for a fact that lots of fisherman do not in fact give a crap about clean water or the environment.  They basically have a "I've got mine, I don't care about anybody else" attitude.

Maybe you missed the part up above, but I have seen plenty of fisherman that have no problem bending the rules and taking species out of permit or season.  I've seen plenty that have no problems tearing through no wake zones disturbing the shoreline with their wake, and have seen plenty of prop lines torn through the grass flats.  They may not intend to just wipe everything out, but at the very least are ignorant of the overall impact of the way they approach the sport.  Which is my whole problem with the Boobiess statement that sport hunting increases animal species, it does not, the regulation of sport hunting does.  Otherwise there are enough greedy selfish hunters and fisherman to ruin it for everyone including those that do care.
 
2013-05-09 07:54:38 AM

manimal2878: muck4doo: Something many who don't fish or hunt don't realize is that hunters and fisherman care very much about keeping our waters clean, and making sure habitats sustainable for wildlife with a clean environment. I had a teacher like that in high school who was very radical. He was practically trying to brain was us all into thinking people who hunt just wanted to wipe out everything, and were in a race to do so. Sounds like some farkers think the same way.

I have only hunted land game a few times in my life, (the company of most deer hunters completely turning me off the sport), but fish almost every weekend during the summer.  I can tell you for a fact that lots of fisherman do not in fact give a crap about clean water or the environment.  They basically have a "I've got mine, I don't care about anybody else" attitude.

Maybe you missed the part up above, but I have seen plenty of fisherman that have no problem bending the rules and taking species out of permit or season.  I've seen plenty that have no problems tearing through no wake zones disturbing the shoreline with their wake, and have seen plenty of prop lines torn through the grass flats.  They may not intend to just wipe everything out, but at the very least are ignorant of the overall impact of the way they approach the sport.  Which is my whole problem with the Boobiess statement that sport hunting increases animal species, it does not, the regulation of sport hunting does.  Otherwise there are enough greedy selfish hunters and fisherman to ruin it for everyone including those that do care.


You are so full of shiat. Was your biology teacher named Mr. Bailey? Why don't you tards start putting your money where your mouth is and start helping conservation, instead of killing dogs and cats every year as your stupid protest?
 
2013-05-09 08:00:36 AM

manimal2878: muck4doo: Something many who don't fish or hunt don't realize is that hunters and fisherman care very much about keeping our waters clean, and making sure habitats sustainable for wildlife with a clean environment. I had a teacher like that in high school who was very radical. He was practically trying to brain was us all into thinking people who hunt just wanted to wipe out everything, and were in a race to do so. Sounds like some farkers think the same way.

I have only hunted land game a few times in my life, (the company of most deer hunters completely turning me off the sport), but fish almost every weekend during the summer.  I can tell you for a fact that lots of fisherman do not in fact give a crap about clean water or the environment.  They basically have a "I've got mine, I don't care about anybody else" attitude.

Maybe you missed the part up above, but I have seen plenty of fisherman that have no problem bending the rules and taking species out of permit or season.  I've seen plenty that have no problems tearing through no wake zones disturbing the shoreline with their wake, and have seen plenty of prop lines torn through the grass flats.  They may not intend to just wipe everything out, but at the very least are ignorant of the overall impact of the way they approach the sport.  Which is my whole problem with the Boobiess statement that sport hunting increases animal species, it does not, the regulation of sport hunting does.  Otherwise there are enough greedy selfish hunters and fisherman to ruin it for everyone including those that do care.


The people who most report poaching and are angered about it are fishermen, and hunters. We do things about it. It's you tards sitting in your basements that piss me off, thinking your 5 dollar donation to PETA or whatever once a year are gonna fix everything thing. You are the among the biggest douches that don't know nature.
 
2013-05-09 08:02:15 AM
Hey look! I'm Manimal2878! I made a 5$ donation to some tard group! I care!
 
2013-05-09 08:21:33 AM

manimal2878: My experience is that the majority of those that hunt are not like him.


Could it be "confirmation bias" at work here?

The key thing to remember is the phrase "My experience".

Don't forget, since we've instituted regulations that have pretty much enforced sporting rules on all hunters, game populations have expanded greatly.  Whitetail deer, black bear, wild turkeys, all making a major comeback.

Will there be hunters that don't follow the rules?  Absolutely.  And there is a mechanism to deal with them*. That doesn't mean that sport hunting over-all is a bad thing.

No one can point to a species that has been sport-hunted to extinction or near extinction.  On the other hand, I can point to a number of cases where that has happened with subsistence hunting and especially market hunting.

*Though we shouldn't necessarily judge all of them too harshly.  When I was a teen, up in the Adirondacks, I knew a family that took more deer than they were allowed based on their permits, and occasionally took one out of season.  The local NYS DEC cops knew what was going on, but the family was poor.  As long as it wasn't too blatant, they looked the other way so the guy could put meat on the table for his kids.  Arresting him would have just put the family on public assistance which would have been a bigger waste of resources than the occasional doe taken out of season which went to feed his family.
 
2013-05-09 01:07:10 PM

muck4doo: The people who most report poaching and are angered about it are fishermen, and hunters. We do things about it. It's you tards sitting in your basements that piss me off, thinking your 5 dollar donation to PETA or whatever once a year are gonna fix everything thing. You are the among the biggest douches that don't know nature.


There are two times when I came close to getting into fist fights in the last 25 years or so:  Once when an asshole was driving to fast in my neighborhood and he took umbrage at me yelling at him to slow his ass down, and once when saw some people "road hunting" near where I had just walked out of the woods.

Road hunters are people who cruise slowly down rural back roads, looking for deer, and generally they just shoot them from the vehicle in violation of game laws.

So yeah, we generally don't like it when it happens (I reported their plate number to the DEC).
 
2013-05-09 03:31:29 PM
muck4doo:
You are so full of shiat. Was your biology teacher named Mr. Bailey? Why don't you tards start putting your money where your mouth is and start helping conservation, instead of killing dogs and cats every year as your stupid protest?

Hurr durr.  I don't belong to PETA tard.
 
2013-05-09 03:33:05 PM

dittybopper: manimal2878: My experience is that the majority of those that hunt are not like him.

Could it be "confirmation bias" at work here?

The key thing to remember is the phrase "My experience".

Don't forget, since we've instituted regulations that have pretty much enforced sporting rules on all hunters, game populations have expanded greatly.  Whitetail deer, black bear, wild turkeys, all making a major comeback.

Will there be hunters that don't follow the rules?  Absolutely.  And there is a mechanism to deal with them*. That doesn't mean that sport hunting over-all is a bad thing.

No one can point to a species that has been sport-hunted to extinction or near extinction.  On the other hand, I can point to a number of cases where that has happened with subsistence hunting and especially market hunting.

*Though we shouldn't necessarily judge all of them too harshly.  When I was a teen, up in the Adirondacks, I knew a family that took more deer than they were allowed based on their permits, and occasionally took one out of season.  The local NYS DEC cops knew what was going on, but the family was poor.  As long as it wasn't too blatant, they looked the other way so the guy could put meat on the table for his kids.  Arresting him would have just put the family on public assistance which would have been a bigger waste of resources than the occasional doe taken out of season which went to feed his family.


Again this is exactly my point, the hunters are not choosing to do this.  The regulations are forcing them to.
 
2013-05-09 03:34:02 PM

muck4doo: Hey look! I'm Manimal2878! I made a 5$ donation to some tard group! I care!


You are a farking idiot.
 
2013-05-09 03:57:18 PM

manimal2878: Again this is exactly my point, the hunters are not choosing to do this.  The regulations are forcing them to.


Actually, what happened is that we outlawed market hunting, and most people living in poverty live in urban areas where they can't hunt for their meat, this guy in Detroit notwithstanding.

That's where the real waste was.

No sport hunters were going out and indiscriminately blasting at everything that moves.  It was the market hunters and subsistence hunters that did it, and all the regulations did was make market hunting illegal, and to force subsistence hunters to abide by the same minimal set of rules that sport hunters used.
 
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