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2013-05-08 01:07:16 PM
8 votes:

bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.



I'm going to have to be the guy who defends the police department, here. Hindsight is 20/20. How many threads do Farkers biatch about unlawful searches and dogs being killed by reckless S.W.A.T. teams? Now, we're going to go the other direction and say that a cop should treat every call like a possible child abduction?  We have no idea how many prank or stupid calls that police departments receive where they waste their time and our money investigating bullshiat. We need to blame the folks who call 911 because the manager at Burger King won't super size their meal or the woman who calls because her daughter cursed at her. Int he story of the Boy who cried wolf, we didn't blame the townsfolk for being slow to respond. We blamed the boy who was carelessly alerting them for no reason.
2013-05-08 01:58:33 PM
4 votes:
Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, so I'll ask it here: is anybody investigating if the brothers have more slave dungeons in other houses they own?
2013-05-08 01:35:57 PM
4 votes:
Already getting tired of articles stating "the nightmare is over"
For these 3 women it'll never be "over"
2013-05-08 01:21:05 PM
3 votes:
Wow... that was rubbish tabloid journalism at its most craven.

Please refrain from actually calling the suspects "losers" in your copy, or I will consider you a ridiculous hack and not to be trusted.  The NY Post makes the typical Daily Mail piece about "Girl and her mum have the largest tits in Britain, innit"  look like Pulitzer material.
2013-05-08 12:53:12 PM
3 votes:
FTA:Gina's aunt Sandra Ruiz told reporters outside the family home: "If you don't believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Yup. God really came through on this one.
2013-05-08 12:44:43 PM
3 votes:
Neighbors said they called cops two years ago when they saw a naked woman crawling around Castro's back yard - but officers dismissed it as a prank.

Another call was reportedly made when neighbors saw three girls crawling on all fours with nothing but dog leashes around their necks, according to USA Today. They said police never responded to their call.

A resident said he called police a third time, in 2011, when his sister heard pounding on their window and looked up to see a woman outside with a baby. When the cops came, they found nothing and left, the neighbor said.

But the Cleveland Police Department said cops were dispatched to the home only twice over the past 13 years, never in relation to the missing girls.  They first came in 2000, when Ariel reported a fight in the street, the Cleveland PD said, and returned in 2004 after Ariel left a child unattended on a bus. But no one came to the door during that visit, and the cops simply left.


Let's hear it for the Cleveland law enforcement officers for saving the day!
2013-05-08 02:02:15 PM
2 votes:

Stone Meadow: Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, so I'll ask it here: is anybody investigating if the brothers have more slave dungeons in other houses they own?


The other brothers lived with their mother. I imagine that relationship was farked as well.
2013-05-08 02:00:47 PM
2 votes:

Stone Meadow: Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, so I'll ask it here: is anybody investigating if the brothers have more slave dungeons in other houses they own?


I've seen some reports that they are searching elsewhere, but so far it doesn't appear that they do.  According to TFA there was a 4th girl there for some period of time, and of course the miscarriages so I imagine they're looking for bodies at this point.
2013-05-08 01:30:31 PM
2 votes:

TheDirtyNacho: DNA sequencing of these guys' genome should be done.  Amazing that 3 brothers seem to have the same sociopathic nature.  Perhaps one day we can spot these people before they're born...


Brain scans too.  There's already research been done on both fronts.  This neuroscientist studied PET scans of normal people and violent psychopaths and found correlations between neural structures and behavior.  The kicker: his family tree had some bad, violent folks, including Lizzy Borden, so he was talked in to checking his immediate family's PET scans.  The scientist found his scan to look just like that of a serial killer's, as did several genes that have been associated violence.

Nature and nuture both can have profound effects on a person's development and adult behavior.   With advances in genetics and neuroscience, maybe we'll be able to identify a young one's natural tendency or susceptibility to ill-behavior and deliberately manage their *nuture*  to steer them away from the dark side.
2013-05-08 01:23:30 PM
2 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: I'm going to have to be the guy who defends the police department, here. Hindsight is 20/20. How many threads do Farkers biatch about unlawful searches and dogs being killed by reckless S.W.A.T. teams? Now, we're going to go the other direction and say that a cop should treat every call like a possible child abduction?  We have no idea how many prank or stupid calls that police departments receive where they waste their time and our money investigating bullshiat. We need to blame the folks who call 911 because the manager at Burger King won't super size their meal or the woman who calls because her daughter cursed at her. Int he story of the Boy who cried wolf, we didn't blame the townsfolk for being slow to respond. We blamed the boy who was carelessly alerting them for no reason.


Add in that kindly uncle Arial who played gave free ATV rides turned out to be Josef Frankl and no one should be surprised just how many times you'll now be hearing 'you know, I always knew there wasn't something right about that man.' Its easier to blame the police than to admit that the neighborhood monster had just about everyone fooled.
2013-05-08 01:14:27 PM
2 votes:

bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.


So just a couple weeks ago people were crying about the cops canvassing Watertown without warrants.  Now people want the Cops to kick in doors because no one answers?
2013-05-08 01:11:53 PM
2 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.


I'm going to have to be the guy who defends the police department, here. Hindsight is 20/20. How many threads do Farkers biatch about unlawful searches and dogs being killed by reckless S.W.A.T. teams? Now, we're going to go the other direction and say that a cop should treat every call like a possible child abduction?  We have no idea how many prank or stupid calls that police departments receive where they waste their time and our money investigating bullshiat. We need to blame the folks who call 911 because the manager at Burger King won't super size their meal or the woman who calls because her daughter cursed at her. Int he story of the Boy who cried wolf, we didn't blame the townsfolk for being slow to respond. We blamed the boy who was carelessly alerting them for no reason.


There's a difference between unlawful search and following up on a call to police about women on leashes in someone's backyard. In the case of the sounds I've heard in my neighborhood, I can understand if the cops have seen evidence of firecrackers or know some kids that go back there for that purpose. On the other hand, you better damn well investigate something like women on leashes.
2013-05-08 12:53:19 PM
2 votes:

Heinrich von Eckardt: This is the house.


It's terrifying to know that the girls were chained up in there at the very moment the picture was taken.
2013-05-08 12:46:08 PM
2 votes:
The real outrage is going to set in if someone can prove that the Cleveland PD did, in fact, blow off multiple 911 calls that would have alerted them to this horrorshow earlier.  Ugh.
2013-05-08 07:57:41 PM
1 votes:

chuggernaught: titwrench: OddLlama:

God is not Superman.  The real world is not a comic book.  Stop commenting on supernatural things you don't understand.

/faith does not work like a wish granting genie in a lamp.


ftfy
2013-05-08 04:55:02 PM
1 votes:
I feel sorry for the girl who gave birth to her rapist's daughter. That must be an awful feeling, to be impregnated by someone you don't love yuck! I wonder how the daughter will be treated. In this situation, it wouldn't be strange if she gave the kid up for adoption because most likely the kid will remind her of years of torture and fear.

Last thing that kid needs is to be put up for adoption. The best thing for her is to be with her mother and a support system. The kid and the mother have nothing to be ashamed of.
2013-05-08 02:45:47 PM
1 votes:
FTFA: "Ariel Castro and his brothers knew all of their victims' families, but they were particularly close with the DeJesuses."

WTF?  I mean seriously, WTF MAN!!!!???  That's some crazy, ballsy, psychotic behavior there...WOW, just...wow...
2013-05-08 02:31:15 PM
1 votes:
One article cites one of his sons saying that his father (the owner of the house) was the strongest of the brothers, the other two being severe alcoholics.  I hope they get HORRIBLE DTs, and I hope they don't allow them even benzos.  Fark those guys, sorry sacks of shiat.
2013-05-08 02:30:24 PM
1 votes:

titwrench: chuggernaught: titwrench: OddLlama: FTA:Gina's aunt Sandra Ruiz told reporters outside the family home: "If you don't believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Yup. God really came through on this one.

Where was God the first 4 times they had a chance to be saved? Comic-con?

God is not Superman.  The real world is not a comic book.  Stop commenting on supernatural things you don't understand.

/faith does not work like a wish granting genie in a lamp.

Are you implying it works at all? Why isn't she thanking the people that actually helped out and resolved this situation? Miracle my ass. Is it going to be a miracle when the years and years of therapy these women are going to need finally get them to a point where they can fall asleep without crying, or be hugged by another human being without their flesh crawling? Is that all part of God's miracle?


Because goooooooooooood.


/don't know how to link pics on mobile.
2013-05-08 02:25:05 PM
1 votes:

chuggernaught: /faith does not work like a wish granting genie in a lamp.


It doesn't? Then what's the point?

/Faith is believing something true in the absence of supporting evidence, and especially in the presence of contrary evidence.
2013-05-08 02:17:01 PM
1 votes:

chuggernaught: titwrench: OddLlama: FTA:Gina's aunt Sandra Ruiz told reporters outside the family home: "If you don't believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Yup. God really came through on this one.

Where was God the first 4 times they had a chance to be saved? Comic-con?

God is not Superman.  The real world is not a comic book.  Stop commenting on supernatural things you don't understand.

/faith does not work like a wish granting genie in a lamp.


Are you implying it works at all? Why isn't she thanking the people that actually helped out and resolved this situation? Miracle my ass. Is it going to be a miracle when the years and years of therapy these women are going to need finally get them to a point where they can fall asleep without crying, or be hugged by another human being without their flesh crawling? Is that all part of God's miracle?
2013-05-08 02:08:50 PM
1 votes:

titwrench: OddLlama: FTA:Gina's aunt Sandra Ruiz told reporters outside the family home: "If you don't believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Yup. God really came through on this one.

Where was God the first 4 times they had a chance to be saved? Comic-con?


God is not Superman.  The real world is not a comic book.  Stop commenting on supernatural things you don't understand.

/faith does not work like a wish granting genie in a lamp.
2013-05-08 02:04:36 PM
1 votes:

Stone Meadow: Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, so I'll ask it here: is anybody investigating if the brothers have more slave dungeons in other houses they own?


I was curious about that boarded up house next door to the house where they were found.
2013-05-08 02:00:16 PM
1 votes:

bdub77: DROxINxTHExWIND: These are the same people who ACTUALLY LIVE in the neighborhood where the house is and they all also said on the first day after this came out that it was a complete surprise and they were totally shocked that there were three girls inside. They also continue to interact with him after seeing a little girl in his attic window? Where was the follow up of the neighbors? And if this was totally shocking to the people who lived next to the house for ten years it should locigally tell you that he had them hidden pretty well and not much outside of a warrent and search of the house was going to find those girls. But, the police presumably did not have probable cause.

I won't belabor the issue, because you certainly have a point, and hindsight is indeed 20/20. And I don't really blame the police themselves. But if the police were in fact called about suspicious activity on multiple occasions, your department better reexamine the way you analyze incoming data and perform police work. It is certainly possible that neighbors who called in the activity in fact saw it occur multiple times and presumed that the police had already investigated it. Some additional investigation is warranted in any case, not to hold police responsible, but to find ways they can prevent tragedies like this from happening in the future.



Absolutely.
2013-05-08 01:56:40 PM
1 votes:

TheDirtyNacho: DNA sequencing of these guys' genome should be done.  Amazing that 3 brothers seem to have the same sociopathic nature.  Perhaps one day we can spot these people before they're born...


I think we'd have a lot more success trying to curb child abuse. That's a bigger factor in later social problems than anything in a person's genes.
2013-05-08 01:54:38 PM
1 votes:

TheDirtyNacho: DROxINxTHExWIND: RatOmeter: TheDirtyNacho: DNA sequencing of these guys' genome should be done.  Amazing that 3 brothers seem to have the same sociopathic nature.  Perhaps one day we can spot these people before they're born...

Brain scans too.  There's already research been done on both fronts.  This neuroscientist studied PET scans of normal people and violent psychopaths and found correlations between neural structures and behavior.  The kicker: his family tree had some bad, violent folks, including Lizzy Borden, so he was talked in to checking his immediate family's PET scans.  The scientist found his scan to look just like that of a serial killer's, as did several genes that have been associated violence.

Nature and nuture both can have profound effects on a person's development and adult behavior.   With advances in genetics and neuroscience, maybe we'll be able to identify a young one's natural tendency or susceptibility to ill-behavior and deliberately manage their *nuture*  to steer them away from the dark side.


Hope you're both joking.


/"Minority Report"

A fictional story about mutants who can see the future is not the same as genetic screening and diversion into programs that keep an eye on them.

The world will remove from itself a lot of trouble once we have a better grasp on the genetics of mental illness and can spot it ahead of time.


So Gattaca, then.
2013-05-08 01:47:12 PM
1 votes:
It's beginning to look like this might escalate into a murder case.  It will be interesting (in a horrifying way) to see what their search reveals.  Either way, none of them are ever getting out of prison.
2013-05-08 01:35:13 PM
1 votes:
Neighbors could be lying to the press also.  Probably embarrassed that that crap was going down on their street and never caught it.  So they lie and say "Hell Yeah we called the cops"
2013-05-08 01:33:41 PM
1 votes:

thurstonxhowell: karmaceutical: thurstonxhowell: karmaceutical: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.

So just a couple weeks ago people were crying about the cops canvassing Watertown without warrants.  Now people want the Cops to kick in doors because no one answers?

While I see your point about the calls to which the police chose to respond, it would be nice if they had responded to all of them.

They responded, no one answers at a seemingly vacant house, no woman on a leash in the back yard.  What do you want them to do at that point?  Get a warrant?

Should I repeat my previous post, or will you just continue to pretend they responded to every call?


Every call or any call, the question is : What do you want the cops to do when the show up at a house with a report of some kind of activity and find no signs of it.  No one answers the door.  What should happen at this point that would have saved these girls sooner?
2013-05-08 01:32:53 PM
1 votes:
I just hope that police agencies look at this and go back over their reports about similar calls. It may lead to more discoveries. Even though I'm a death-penalty supporter, I hope these guys get life sentences.
2013-05-08 01:28:32 PM
1 votes:

bdub77: DROxINxTHExWIND: bdub77: DROxINxTHExWIND: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.


I'm going to have to be the guy who defends the police department, here. Hindsight is 20/20. How many threads do Farkers biatch about unlawful searches and dogs being killed by reckless S.W.A.T. teams? Now, we're going to go the other direction and say that a cop should treat every call like a possible child abduction?  We have no idea how many prank or stupid calls that police departments receive where they waste their time and our money investigating bullshiat. We need to blame the folks who call 911 because the manager at Burger King won't super size their meal or the woman who calls because her daughter cursed at her. Int he story of the Boy who cried wolf, we didn't blame the townsfolk for being slow to respond. We blamed the boy who was carelessly alerting them for no reason.

There's a difference between unlawful search and following up on a call to police about women on leashes in someone's backyard. In the case of the sounds I've heard in my neighborhood, I can understand if the cops have seen evidence of firecrackers or know some kids that go back there for that purpose. On the other hand, you better damn well investigate something like women on leashes.

You have no idea what steps they took to investigate or follow up on this claim. For all we know, they positioned a squad car in the area to keep watch. They may have increased patrols. Or, in the absence of an immediate follow-up call or complaint, they may have thought it was a neighbor complaining about consensual activity that was visible, but taking place on another man's private property.

Well from the rep ...


These are the same people who ACTUALLY LIVE in the neighborhood where the house is and they all also said on the first day after this came out that it was a complete surprise and they were totally shocked that there were three girls inside. They also continue to interact with him after seeing a little girl in his attic window? Where was the follow up of the neighbors? And if this was totally shocking to the people who lived next to the house for ten years it should locigally tell you that he had them hidden pretty well and not much outside of a warrent and search of the house was going to find those girls. But, the police presumably did not have probable cause.
2013-05-08 01:27:25 PM
1 votes:

OddLlama: FTA:Gina's aunt Sandra Ruiz told reporters outside the family home: "If you don't believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Yup. God really came through on this one.


Where was God the first 4 times they had a chance to be saved? Comic-con?
2013-05-08 01:25:38 PM
1 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: bdub77: DROxINxTHExWIND: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.


I'm going to have to be the guy who defends the police department, here. Hindsight is 20/20. How many threads do Farkers biatch about unlawful searches and dogs being killed by reckless S.W.A.T. teams? Now, we're going to go the other direction and say that a cop should treat every call like a possible child abduction?  We have no idea how many prank or stupid calls that police departments receive where they waste their time and our money investigating bullshiat. We need to blame the folks who call 911 because the manager at Burger King won't super size their meal or the woman who calls because her daughter cursed at her. Int he story of the Boy who cried wolf, we didn't blame the townsfolk for being slow to respond. We blamed the boy who was carelessly alerting them for no reason.

There's a difference between unlawful search and following up on a call to police about women on leashes in someone's backyard. In the case of the sounds I've heard in my neighborhood, I can understand if the cops have seen evidence of firecrackers or know some kids that go back there for that purpose. On the other hand, you better damn well investigate something like women on leashes.

You have no idea what steps they took to investigate or follow up on this claim. For all we know, they positioned a squad car in the area to keep watch. They may have increased patrols. Or, in the absence of an immediate follow-up call or complaint, they may have thought it was a neighbor complaining about consensual activity that was visible, but taking place on another man's private property.


This ain't exactly a "nice" part of Cleveland.  I am sure they didn't have spare offices to stake out reports of a woman on a leash.  They've got a barrage of robberies and shootings to deal with.  Probably how subtle things like what these lunatics pulled off can slip under the radar.
2013-05-08 01:21:01 PM
1 votes:

bdub77: DROxINxTHExWIND: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.


I'm going to have to be the guy who defends the police department, here. Hindsight is 20/20. How many threads do Farkers biatch about unlawful searches and dogs being killed by reckless S.W.A.T. teams? Now, we're going to go the other direction and say that a cop should treat every call like a possible child abduction?  We have no idea how many prank or stupid calls that police departments receive where they waste their time and our money investigating bullshiat. We need to blame the folks who call 911 because the manager at Burger King won't super size their meal or the woman who calls because her daughter cursed at her. Int he story of the Boy who cried wolf, we didn't blame the townsfolk for being slow to respond. We blamed the boy who was carelessly alerting them for no reason.

There's a difference between unlawful search and following up on a call to police about women on leashes in someone's backyard. In the case of the sounds I've heard in my neighborhood, I can understand if the cops have seen evidence of firecrackers or know some kids that go back there for that purpose. On the other hand, you better damn well investigate something like women on leashes.


You have no idea what steps they took to investigate or follow up on this claim. For all we know, they positioned a squad car in the area to keep watch. They may have increased patrols. Or, in the absence of an immediate follow-up call or complaint, they may have thought it was a neighbor complaining about consensual activity that was visible, but taking place on another man's private property.
2013-05-08 01:20:45 PM
1 votes:

thurstonxhowell: karmaceutical: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.

So just a couple weeks ago people were crying about the cops canvassing Watertown without warrants.  Now people want the Cops to kick in doors because no one answers?

While I see your point about the calls to which the police chose to respond, it would be nice if they had responded to all of them.


They responded, no one answers at a seemingly vacant house, no woman on a leash in the back yard.  What do you want them to do at that point?  Get a warrant?
2013-05-08 01:18:46 PM
1 votes:

karmaceutical: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.

So just a couple weeks ago people were crying about the cops canvassing Watertown without warrants.  Now people want the Cops to kick in doors because no one answers?


While I see your point about the calls to which the police chose to respond, it would be nice if they had responded to all of them.
2013-05-08 01:14:24 PM
1 votes:
Rape in jail is never justified, except for this one time. It would be poetic justice when captor becomes captive, and rapist becomes raped.
2013-05-08 01:13:08 PM
1 votes:
There will be 18 minutes 911 tape missing.
2013-05-08 01:08:41 PM
1 votes:
After reading all of this....

Neighbors said they called cops two years ago when they saw a naked woman crawling around Castro's back yard -  but officers dismissed it as a prank.

Another call was reportedly made when neighbors saw three girls crawling on all fours with nothing but dog leashes around their necks, according to USA Today.  They said police never responded to their call.

A resident said he called police a third time, in 2011, when his sister heard pounding on their window and looked up to see a woman outside with a baby.  When the cops came, they found nothing and left, the neighbor said.

But the Cleveland Police Department said cops were dispatched to the home only twice over the past 13 years, never in relation to the missing girls.  They first came in 2000, when Ariel reported a fight in the street, the Cleveland PD said, and returned in 2004 after Ariel left a child unattended on a bus.  But no one came to the door during that visit, and the cops simply left.



I am assuming there was a good amount of time spent late into Monday night and Tuesday morning as Cleveland PD searched and cleansed their records
2013-05-08 01:05:59 PM
1 votes:

TheDirtyNacho: DNA sequencing of these guys' genome should be done.  Amazing that 3 brothers seem to have the same sociopathic nature.  Perhaps one day we can spot these people before they're born...


The daughter of one of the kidnappers also seems to have inherited the crazy genes.
2013-05-08 01:05:43 PM
1 votes:
This is the 2nd time in a year that the Clevleand PD has been shown to be incompetent fools.. Nice work guys.
2013-05-08 12:49:54 PM
1 votes:
This is the house.
2013-05-08 12:47:43 PM
1 votes:
hmmm....


www.tvshowsondvd.com

22-0-7.  Ohhhh....  okay then.
2013-05-08 12:41:59 PM
1 votes:
Tied to the three is a girl, a girl with supernatural powers born in captivity.... She shall be the one.... the one to rule them all.
Or she will be a hooker serial killer
2013-05-08 12:40:34 PM
1 votes:
I'm surprised the Post isn't reporting 12 women were held captive for 10 years.
 
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