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2013-05-08 06:29:26 PM

RenownedCurator: megarian: DROxINxTHExWIND: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.


I'm going to have to be the guy who defends the police department, here. Hindsight is 20/20. How many threads do Farkers biatch about unlawful searches and dogs being killed by reckless S.W.A.T. teams? Now, we're going to go the other direction and say that a cop should treat every call like a possible child abduction?  We have no idea how many prank or stupid calls that police departments receive where they waste their time and our money investigating bullshiat. We need to blame the folks who call 911 because the manager at Burger King won't super size their meal or the woman who calls because her daughter cursed at her. Int he story of the Boy who cried wolf, we didn't blame the townsfolk for being slow to respond. We blamed the boy who was carelessly alerting them for no reason.

I really hate to say it, but I kind if thought the same thing.

So did I. Look at it another way and it's "Damn cops harass poor people unreasonably because someone heard a scream somewhere." And I'm not 100% believing in all of these stories -- people always like to see "signs" of something like this in retrospect. Screams, possibly seeing someone at a window? I can believe that. Women on leashes in the yard? Well .... it could happen.


If I see a woman on a leash in my neighbor's yard being controlled and treated badly, I'm going to make damn well sure she wants to be there.
 
2013-05-08 07:06:14 PM

btraz70: Already getting tired of articles stating "the nightmare is over"
For these 3 women it'll never be "over"


This. They have a long, long road ahead.
 
2013-05-08 07:38:40 PM

MutantMotherMouse: chairmenmeow47: GreenSun: I feel sorry for the girl who gave birth to her rapist's daughter. That must be an awful feeling, to be impregnated by someone you don't love yuck! I wonder how the daughter will be treated. In this situation, it wouldn't be strange if she gave the kid up for adoption because most likely the kid will remind her of years of torture and fear.

i can't even imagine.  still though, i imagine such a situation created a bond that the mother probably would not want to break.  she probably has been protecting this kid for 6 years.  why would she stop?  or just have escaped without the kid?

Yeah, I suspect she risked an escape attempt for her daughter. I doubt the fact that one of those monsters fathered the little girl kept her any safer than the other hostages. I'm not an especially brave person and may not be able to protect myself, but I'd do whatever it took to save my children.


I sadly suspect that she risked an escape attempt now because she feared the brother's would start molesting her daughter (if they haven't already).

This reminds me of that freaky CSI episode where the teen daughters BF kills the parents and the brothers in a family, but not her younger sister. Turns out the Dad was molesting the teen daughter since childhood and the mom and brothers where in on it, and the "little sister" was actually the incestuous daughter of the teen and Dad... and the Dad was starting to molest the "little sister".

/Lots of therapy all around
//Asshat should have been put in jail when he almost killed his ex-wife, would have prevented all of this.
 
2013-05-08 07:50:47 PM
Apparently now the two brothers are not involved.  This makes somewhat more sense.
 
2013-05-08 07:54:40 PM
Did someone say Seymour?

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2013-05-08 07:57:41 PM

chuggernaught: titwrench: OddLlama:

God is not Superman.  The real world is not a comic book.  Stop commenting on supernatural things you don't understand.

/faith does not work like a wish granting genie in a lamp.


ftfy
 
2013-05-08 08:16:31 PM
It's amazing but based on the time of some of these comments it's apparent that they don't watch the news.  They see headlines alright and make up their minds but don't actually follow the stories.  About 3 hours ago according to the press conference the 2 brothers had nothing to do with it.

I admit it was a bit early to say that and I'm sure they will be investigated more but lets pay attention more shall we.  An interview with the guys son even said that that he (the kidnapper) would have the basement, attic and garage locked while he was growing up so denying access to parts of the house seemed to be common place with this guy and that goes back to before he kidnapped these girls.
 
2013-05-08 08:19:35 PM

chuggernaught: titwrench: OddLlama: FTA:Gina's aunt Sandra Ruiz told reporters outside the family home: "If you don't believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Yup. God really came through on this one.

Where was God the first 4 times they had a chance to be saved? Comic-con?

God is not Superman.  The real world is not a comic book.  Stop commenting on supernatural things you don't understand.

/faith does not work like a wish granting genie in a lamp.


Then what's the point? If gods don't answer prayers, if they don't stop evil, if they don't punish the guilty, if believers don't live in perfect health until called to meet their maker, what's the farking point? If their "plan" is is so inscrutable and so independent of the needs and happiness of their creations, what good is it? If it isn't good or evil because those concepts are too basic for the gods, then again, what's the point?

Is faith just self-hypnosis that helps you deal with the bad shiat that is going to come your way regardless because nothing, not even your benevolent god, is going to stop it? Well, then I have other, ways to deal with it that don't involve massive buildings, hierarchies of priests, converting the heathens, legislating "morality", etc., etc., etc., ad nauseam.

fark the "supernatural"!
 
2013-05-08 09:58:42 PM
I noticed a few people in the thread hoping the brothers (now apparently, just the one brother) get long sentences and get raped in prison. Sorry, but the guys who get raped in prison are young and/or pretty. NO ONE is going to rape these ugly, old bastards. Beat them to death, perhaps. But not rape them.
 
2013-05-08 11:13:31 PM

SelenaDori: Tied to the three is a girl, a girl with supernatural powers born in captivity.... She shall be the one.... the one to rule them all.
Or she will be a hooker serial killer


Maybe she will look to Dexter as a role model and target douchbags who kidnap girls and rape them in cellars.

I would help her.
 
2013-05-08 11:27:37 PM

bdub77: Neighbors said they called cops two years ago when they saw a naked woman crawling around Castro's back yard - but officers dismissed it as a prank.

Another call was reportedly made when neighbors saw three girls crawling on all fours with nothing but dog leashes around their necks, according to USA Today. They said police never responded to their call.

A resident said he called police a third time, in 2011, when his sister heard pounding on their window and looked up to see a woman outside with a baby. When the cops came, they found nothing and left, the neighbor said.

But the Cleveland Police Department said cops were dispatched to the home only twice over the past 13 years, never in relation to the missing girls.  They first came in 2000, when Ariel reported a fight in the street, the Cleveland PD said, and returned in 2004 after Ariel left a child unattended on a bus. But no one came to the door during that visit, and the cops simply left.

Let's hear it for the Cleveland law enforcement officers for saving the day!


And affirmative action and nepotism hiring.
 
2013-05-08 11:30:32 PM

goatleggedfellow: Danger Mouse: I hope they get the death penalty.

For what these guys did, the death penalty would be a blessing compared to prison gen pop. They may still die restrained with muffled mouths and plugged sphincters.


If only karma were real, then these assholes would spend the next twenty years being raped to the point where their prolapse turn them inside out.
 
2013-05-08 11:35:41 PM

bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.


That shiat pisses me off. Back in June of last year, when we were living in the truck, we were down Santa Ana way, hidden from the street parked behind some shops. Suddenly, very close from the other side of the concrete wall, we heard angry Spanish, three voices. Then: POW POW POW....POW POW.  Then quiet for about 3 or 4 seconds then POW..........POW.  It's been awhile since Vietnam, but I know a gunfight and a double tap coup de grace when I hear it.  I called SAPD and told the dispatcher exactly what I wrote above. She says, "Probably kids with firecrackers." I called her a stupid coont and ended the call. We left the area, so I don't know if SAPD ever showed up.
 
2013-05-08 11:42:32 PM

Jaws_Victim: OddLlama: FTA:Gina's aunt Sandra Ruiz told reporters outside the family home: "If you don't believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Yup. God really came through on this one.

you hush your mouth. He needs lots of sleep from creating the esrth in seven days, that was only a few thousand years ago. He had to have. A ten year nap before he could save the women.


Morons, please stop.

OK, we know you're genius cool atheists.

But it does get old in every farking thread.
 
2013-05-09 12:16:42 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: RatOmeter: TheDirtyNacho: DNA sequencing of these guys' genome should be done.  Amazing that 3 brothers seem to have the same sociopathic nature.  Perhaps one day we can spot these people before they're born...

Brain scans too.  There's already research been done on both fronts.  This neuroscientist studied PET scans of normal people and violent psychopaths and found correlations between neural structures and behavior.  The kicker: his family tree had some bad, violent folks, including Lizzy Borden, so he was talked in to checking his immediate family's PET scans.  The scientist found his scan to look just like that of a serial killer's, as did several genes that have been associated violence.

Nature and nuture both can have profound effects on a person's development and adult behavior.   With advances in genetics and neuroscience, maybe we'll be able to identify a young one's natural tendency or susceptibility to ill-behavior and deliberately manage their *nuture*  to steer them away from the dark side.


Hope you're both joking.


/"Minority Report"


Does raise HUGE ethical questions.
 
2013-05-09 12:26:35 AM

GreenSun: I feel sorry for the girl who gave birth to her rapist's daughter. That must be an awful feeling, to be impregnated by someone you don't love yuck! I wonder how the daughter will be treated. In this situation, it wouldn't be strange if she gave the kid up for adoption because most likely the kid will remind her of years of torture and fear.


Didn't she carry the kid with her when she escaped? And I saw pics at the side of her daughter in the hospital. Carring a child and giving birth is a usually huge deal to the mother. And the fact that the father was a rapist douchbag is not the kid's fault. The mom knows that; I would not be surprised if there was a huge bond of love between the two.
 
2013-05-09 12:52:36 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.


I'm going to have to be the guy who defends the police department, here. Hindsight is 20/20. How many threads do Farkers biatch about unlawful searches and dogs being killed by reckless S.W.A.T. teams? Now, we're going to go the other direction and say that a cop should treat every call like a possible child abduction?  We have no idea how many prank or stupid calls that police departments receive where they waste their time and our money investigating bullshiat. We need to blame the folks who call 911 because the manager at Burger King won't super size their meal or the woman who calls because her daughter cursed at her. Int he story of the Boy who cried wolf, we didn't blame the townsfolk for being slow to respond. We blamed the boy who was carelessly alerting them for no reason.



No sheet Shirlock.
 
2013-05-09 01:06:24 AM

bdub77: DROxINxTHExWIND: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.


I'm going to have to be the guy who defends the police department, here. Hindsight is 20/20. How many threads do Farkers biatch about unlawful searches and dogs being killed by reckless S.W.A.T. teams? Now, we're going to go the other direction and say that a cop should treat every call like a possible child abduction?  We have no idea how many prank or stupid calls that police departments receive where they waste their time and our money investigating bullshiat. We need to blame the folks who call 911 because the manager at Burger King won't super size their meal or the woman who calls because her daughter cursed at her. Int he story of the Boy who cried wolf, we didn't blame the townsfolk for being slow to respond. We blamed the boy who was carelessly alerting them for no reason.

There's a difference between unlawful search and following up on a call to police about women on leashes in someone's backyard. In the case of the sounds I've heard in my neighborhood, I can understand if the cops have seen evidence of firecrackers or know some kids that go back there for that purpose. On the other hand, you better damn well investigate something like women on leashes.



There are plenty of ignorant trolls on Fark, but I suspect you are simply stupid, not a troll. Did it EVER occur to you that there are millions of americans who like to take mind altering drugs just for sheets and giggles...... and when they do, they often see things that are not the least bit real?  Hhhmmmmm????? How long have you been on Fark? Have you never heard of some drugged-up guy running down some street ripping his clothes off because he thinks he is on fire?

So, please pretend to have a brain for a few seconds...... police respond to a call about naked women in a backyard..... maybe they respond in 10 mins if it is NOT a busy day, maybe they respond in 2 hrs if it is a busy day....... but there is no-one around when they do arrive. Perhaps it was just some drugged-up loser making up BS. Are you Honestly stupid enough to want police to break down the door of every house where some odd occurrence had been reported on recently??? Just. In. Case.

They DID investigate. But police can only respond to Actual Events That THEY witness....... if you drive to work tomorrow and are CONVINCED that the person in front of you is drunk and phone it in, they canNOT go to that person's house 3-5 days/weeks later to arrest them for drunk driving based solely on you jotting down their license plate number.

/puts up with ignorant rednecks at work all day; NOT particularly happy that they seem to have fark accounts as well.
 
2013-05-09 01:11:06 AM

bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.



Try going to a gun range some day. That which sounds like 'obvious gunshots' to you are NOT what you will hear at any gun range. You are basing your 'expertise' on Hollywood movies, which are Entertainment, NOT documentaries.
 
2013-05-09 01:11:38 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Jaws_Victim: OddLlama: FTA:Gina's aunt Sandra Ruiz told reporters outside the family home: "If you don't believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Yup. God really came through on this one.

you hush your mouth. He needs lots of sleep from creating the esrth in seven days, that was only a few thousand years ago. He had to have. A ten year nap before he could save the women.

Morons, please stop.

OK, we know you're genius cool atheists.

But it does get old in every farking thread.


Making fun of idiots gets old on fark? Perhaps it is time for you to find a new place to be cool by being against those that are cool by proxy of being not cool. Dork.
 
2013-05-09 01:25:49 AM

Wellon Dowd: Damn it! I am supposed to host the Northern Virginia Swinger Society's dog leash party on Saturday.



Apparently, for YOU, there *is* no Santy-Claws.
 
2013-05-09 09:56:35 AM
Just as a followup, on another article posted on Fark, the police gave their side of the story.

You can't blame them for the two calls that had nothing to do with naked women in the backyard.

They only received a fight in the street call and another, less severe, call to that area.  The police have proof...at least the proof they want to show us.

Until there's proof of anything else, we can only consider is circumstantial conspiracy theories.  Stories aren't proof.
 
2013-05-09 11:23:22 AM

OddLlama: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Jaws_Victim: OddLlama: FTA:Gina's aunt Sandra Ruiz told reporters outside the family home: "If you don't believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Yup. God really came through on this one.

you hush your mouth. He needs lots of sleep from creating the esrth in seven days, that was only a few thousand years ago. He had to have. A ten year nap before he could save the women.

Morons, please stop.

OK, we know you're genius cool atheists.

But it does get old in every farking thread.

Making fun of idiots gets old on fark? Perhaps it is time for you to find a new place to be cool by being against those that are cool by proxy of being not cool. Dork.


Seriously, it's just annoying, boring and tiresome. I come to Fark to be entertained, and the equivalent of Terrance and Phillip fart jokes, repeated ad nauseam, do not qualify as entertainment in my book of favorite things. Only Beavis and Butthead morons always, without fail, go after the low hanging fruit (i.e.: easy targets).  "Huh huh huh he said the earth is only 6000 years old lol lol lol."

My wife and I go to atheist and freethinker meetups and most of the people at these events understand that the Creationists are a relatively small minority of the religious set. (I know this for a fact because when we were homeless and relying on food and money aid from various churches I talked with a lot of the people involved with helping the poor. Maybe 2% are Creationists. Most think evolution is one of God's tools. (And I believe that is the Catholic Church's official position.) Of course, this is Southern California. I'm sure there are states where the number is higher, possibly much higher.) At the meetups, criticism and ridicule of Christians is at a somewhat higher level (for example, discussion of the logical fallacies inherent in the various proofs of God's existence. You know, adult conversation.
 
2013-05-09 01:05:30 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: OddLlama: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Jaws_Victim: OddLlama: FTA:Gina's aunt Sandra Ruiz told reporters outside the family home: "If you don't believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Yup. God really came through on this one.

you hush your mouth. He needs lots of sleep from creating the esrth in seven days, that was only a few thousand years ago. He had to have. A ten year nap before he could save the women.

Morons, please stop.

OK, we know you're genius cool atheists.

But it does get old in every farking thread.

Making fun of idiots gets old on fark? Perhaps it is time for you to find a new place to be cool by being against those that are cool by proxy of being not cool. Dork.

Seriously, it's just annoying, boring and tiresome. I come to Fark to be entertained, and the equivalent of Terrance and Phillip fart jokes, repeated ad nauseam, do not qualify as entertainment in my book of favorite things. Only Beavis and Butthead morons always, without fail, go after the low hanging fruit (i.e.: easy targets).  "Huh huh huh he said the earth is only 6000 years old lol lol lol."

My wife and I go to atheist and freethinker meetups and most of the people at these events understand that the Creationists are a relatively small minority of the religious set. (I know this for a fact because when we were homeless and relying on food and money aid from various churches I talked with a lot of the people involved with helping the poor. Maybe 2% are Creationists. Most think evolution is one of God's tools. (And I believe that is the Catholic Church's official position.) Of course, this is Southern California. I'm sure there are states where the number is higher, possibly much higher.) At the meetups, criticism and ridicule of Christians is at a somewhat higher level (for example, discussion of the logical fallacies inherent in the various proofs of God's existence. You know, adult conversation.


In some ways, the creationists deserve more respect. Yes, their beliefs are absurd, but at least they believe all of whats in the bible, instead of just picking and choosing whats convenient.
 
2013-05-09 02:56:39 PM

You Cant Explain That: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: OddLlama: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Jaws_Victim: OddLlama: FTA:Gina's aunt Sandra Ruiz told reporters outside the family home: "If you don't believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Yup. God really came through on this one.

you hush your mouth. He needs lots of sleep from creating the esrth in seven days, that was only a few thousand years ago. He had to have. A ten year nap before he could save the women.

Morons, please stop.

OK, we know you're genius cool atheists.

But it does get old in every farking thread.

Making fun of idiots gets old on fark? Perhaps it is time for you to find a new place to be cool by being against those that are cool by proxy of being not cool. Dork.

Seriously, it's just annoying, boring and tiresome. I come to Fark to be entertained, and the equivalent of Terrance and Phillip fart jokes, repeated ad nauseam, do not qualify as entertainment in my book of favorite things. Only Beavis and Butthead morons always, without fail, go after the low hanging fruit (i.e.: easy targets).  "Huh huh huh he said the earth is only 6000 years old lol lol lol."

My wife and I go to atheist and freethinker meetups and most of the people at these events understand that the Creationists are a relatively small minority of the religious set. (I know this for a fact because when we were homeless and relying on food and money aid from various churches I talked with a lot of the people involved with helping the poor. Maybe 2% are Creationists. Most think evolution is one of God's tools. (And I believe that is the Catholic Church's official position.) Of course, this is Southern California. I'm sure there are states where the number is higher, possibly much higher.) At the meetups, criticism and ridicule of Christians is at a somewhat higher level (for example, discussion of the logical fallacies inherent in the various proofs of God's existence. You know, adult conversation.

In some ways, the creationists deserve mor ...


Except that the 6,000 year old stuff is not in the Bible. That was bullshiat invented by various theologians.
 
2013-05-09 03:01:27 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Except that the 6,000 year old stuff is not in the Bible. That was bullshiat invented by various theologians.


Based on the New Testament's line about god and time, "to him a thousand years is like a day and a day is like a thousand years".

They took it literally.
 
2013-05-09 04:02:01 PM

jdbob: Did someone say Seymour?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x242]


I never thought I would find anyone else who remembered Pre-Elvira Seymour.
 
2013-05-09 04:13:26 PM

WhoGAS: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Except that the 6,000 year old stuff is not in the Bible. That was bullshiat invented by various theologians.

Based on the New Testament's line about god and time, "to him a thousand years is like a day and a day is like a thousand years".

They took it literally.


And there's the problem. The Bible is not a literal document. Symbolism and parable.
 
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