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2013-05-08 02:19:34 PM

Gonz: Guinness for Strength: Heinrich von Eckardt: This is the house.

It's terrifying to know that the girls were chained up in there at the very moment the picture was taken.

Yeah, your comment made my skin crawl. Well, thinking about what you said, not the simple fact of your comment.


Same thing I thought yesterday when I googled the address and street viewed it I suddenly realized "holy crap they are in there right now in the picture".
Also I've seen some news reports saying "oh my god some of the windows were boarded up why did no one go in because of this". From looking at the street it would have been suspicious to not have some boarded up windows.
 
2013-05-08 02:25:05 PM

chuggernaught: /faith does not work like a wish granting genie in a lamp.


It doesn't? Then what's the point?

/Faith is believing something true in the absence of supporting evidence, and especially in the presence of contrary evidence.
 
2013-05-08 02:25:11 PM

titwrench: chuggernaught: titwrench: OddLlama: FTA:Gina's aunt Sandra Ruiz told reporters outside the family home: "If you don't believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Yup. God really came through on this one.

Where was God the first 4 times they had a chance to be saved? Comic-con?

God is not Superman.  The real world is not a comic book.  Stop commenting on supernatural things you don't understand.

/faith does not work like a wish granting genie in a lamp.

Are you implying it works at all? Why isn't she thanking the people that actually helped out and resolved this situation? Miracle my ass. Is it going to be a miracle when the years and years of therapy these women are going to need finally get them to a point where they can fall asleep without crying, or be hugged by another human being without their flesh crawling? Is that all part of God's miracle?


God's standards have slipped over the years. Job fatigue, you know? He's looking into becoming a surfing instructor
 
2013-05-08 02:25:12 PM

HaywoodJablonski: I bet that house sells CHEAP


1400 sq ft, 3 bed, 2.5 bath, walk-in master bedroom closet, great basement with fully furnished, recently renovated "workshop."
 
2013-05-08 02:27:02 PM

daveUSMC: HaywoodJablonski: I bet that house sells CHEAP

1400 sq ft, 3 bed, 2.5 bath, walk-in master bedroom closet, great basement with fully furnished, recently renovated "workshop."


And neighbors who respect your privacy
 
2013-05-08 02:28:25 PM

HaywoodJablonski: daveUSMC: HaywoodJablonski: I bet that house sells CHEAP

1400 sq ft, 3 bed, 2.5 bath, walk-in master bedroom closet, great basement with fully furnished, recently renovated "workshop."

And neighbors who respect your privacy


Great neighbors really. Hell, I'd buy it so I could live next to Lootie
 
2013-05-08 02:30:24 PM

titwrench: chuggernaught: titwrench: OddLlama: FTA:Gina's aunt Sandra Ruiz told reporters outside the family home: "If you don't believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Yup. God really came through on this one.

Where was God the first 4 times they had a chance to be saved? Comic-con?

God is not Superman.  The real world is not a comic book.  Stop commenting on supernatural things you don't understand.

/faith does not work like a wish granting genie in a lamp.

Are you implying it works at all? Why isn't she thanking the people that actually helped out and resolved this situation? Miracle my ass. Is it going to be a miracle when the years and years of therapy these women are going to need finally get them to a point where they can fall asleep without crying, or be hugged by another human being without their flesh crawling? Is that all part of God's miracle?


Because goooooooooooood.


/don't know how to link pics on mobile.
 
2013-05-08 02:31:15 PM
One article cites one of his sons saying that his father (the owner of the house) was the strongest of the brothers, the other two being severe alcoholics.  I hope they get HORRIBLE DTs, and I hope they don't allow them even benzos.  Fark those guys, sorry sacks of shiat.
 
2013-05-08 02:35:14 PM
This guy is even more of a monster than I imagined.

A REAL WOMAN WILL NOT USE THEIR her CHILD AS A WEAPON TO HURT THE FATHER WHEN THE RELATIONSHIP BREAKS DOWN. DO NOT LOSE SITE sight OF THE FACT THAT IT IS THE CHILD THAT who SUFFERS

He's taken an arguably reasonable position and run it through the moran filter a few times.

Not to mention using all caps. And posting any declaration or other Pearl of Wisdom on facebook. And I suppose he was so proud of spelling "lose" correctly.
 
2013-05-08 02:40:30 PM
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We just want a little time alone with them.
 
2013-05-08 02:41:33 PM

OccamsWhiskers: This guy is even more of a monster than I imagined.

A REAL WOMAN WILL NOT USE THEIR her CHILD AS A WEAPON TO HURT THE FATHER WHEN THE RELATIONSHIP BREAKS DOWN. DO NOT LOSE SITE sight OF THE FACT THAT IT IS THE CHILD THAT who SUFFERS

He's taken an arguably reasonable position and run it through the moran filter a few times.

Not to mention using all caps. And posting any declaration or other Pearl of Wisdom on facebook. And I suppose he was so proud of spelling "lose" correctly.


Pet peeve.
 
2013-05-08 02:41:57 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: TheDirtyNacho: DROxINxTHExWIND: RatOmeter: TheDirtyNacho: DNA sequencing of these guys' genome should be done.  Amazing that 3 brothers seem to have the same sociopathic nature.  Perhaps one day we can spot these people before they're born...

Brain scans too.  There's already research been done on both fronts.  This neuroscientist studied PET scans of normal people and violent psychopaths and found correlations between neural structures and behavior.  The kicker: his family tree had some bad, violent folks, including Lizzy Borden, so he was talked in to checking his immediate family's PET scans.  The scientist found his scan to look just like that of a serial killer's, as did several genes that have been associated violence.

Nature and nuture both can have profound effects on a person's development and adult behavior.   With advances in genetics and neuroscience, maybe we'll be able to identify a young one's natural tendency or susceptibility to ill-behavior and deliberately manage their *nuture*  to steer them away from the dark side.


Hope you're both joking.


/"Minority Report"

A fictional story about mutants who can see the future is not the same as genetic screening and diversion into programs that keep an eye on them.

The world will remove from itself a lot of trouble once we have a better grasp on the genetics of mental illness and can spot it ahead of time.


Not to Godwin this, but I wonder how many Jews would be on the "danger" list if a Hitler-run government were responsible for intepreting the data?



I think there's a big difference between genetic screening and eugenics, but it should be backed up with pretty ironclad ethics rules.  Today it's possible to screen for some highly disabling problems and then, if the parents so choose, selectively abort.  But I don't think this should be applied to most issues, definitely not mental health ones.   I'd rather keep an eye on people.

Like much technology, it can be used for great good... or great evil.
 
2013-05-08 02:42:02 PM
That last statement, that is IF they were at all involved.
 
2013-05-08 02:45:47 PM
FTFA: "Ariel Castro and his brothers knew all of their victims' families, but they were particularly close with the DeJesuses."

WTF?  I mean seriously, WTF MAN!!!!???  That's some crazy, ballsy, psychotic behavior there...WOW, just...wow...
 
2013-05-08 02:53:24 PM

James!: Yes please: James!: Stone Meadow: Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, so I'll ask it here: is anybody investigating if the brothers have more slave dungeons in other houses they own?

The other brothers lived with their mother. I imagine that relationship was farked as well.

A boy's best friend is his mother.  This mother just has three best friends.

*shudder*


Hey Maw...we're gonna pop over to Ariel's place for a few beers...don't hold supper for us!
 
2013-05-08 02:54:23 PM

Stone Meadow: Hey Maw...


WTF!?
 
2013-05-08 02:57:43 PM

Danger Mouse: I hope they get the death penalty.


For what these guys did, the death penalty would be a blessing compared to prison gen pop. They may still die restrained with muffled mouths and plugged sphincters.
 
2013-05-08 03:04:21 PM

mayIFark: thurstonxhowell: Danger Mouse: I hope they get the death penalty.

AFAIK, they didn't kill anybody, so no death penalty for them.

I don't know for sure, of course, but if the babies born there died after they were born alive due to the fact that there was no doctor or facility available, that might not be considered first degree murder but should be negligence homicide.

However, I would prefer that they do not get the death penalty, instead gets lifelong rape in prison


These sick f#ckers should die in the most painful way possible. Lock them up in a condemned building infested with rats and put the key and some food just out of reach. They have plenty of water, but it's just to prolong their suffering. After four weeks of starving, four weeks of breathing Fiberglass filled air, four weeks of enduring rats tearing their flesh, four weeks of maggots and cockroaches crawling through their wounds, they'll finally slump over, dead. But all of that will be paradise compaired to what awaits them in hell.


/Holy s#*¥, I just scared myself.
 
2013-05-08 03:05:04 PM
I think it's funny how Fark and Farkers have evolved so that now  DRO IN THE WIND is usually the most reasonable person in any given thread.
 
2013-05-08 03:05:23 PM

goatleggedfellow: Danger Mouse: I hope they get the death penalty.

For what these guys did, the death penalty would be a blessing compared to prison gen pop. They may still die restrained with muffled mouths and plugged sphincters.


I read this morning that the three "slept like babes" in spite of all night verbal harassment from their fellow inmates.
 
2013-05-08 03:05:47 PM

Guinness for Strength: Heinrich von Eckardt: This is the house.

It's terrifying to know that the girls were chained up in there at the very moment the picture was taken.


That kinda gave me a chill reading that.
 
2013-05-08 03:14:38 PM

Guinness for Strength: Heinrich von Eckardt: This is the house.

It's terrifying to know that the girls were chained up in there at the very moment the picture was taken.


You don't know that. They might have been leashed up and out for a walk in the backyard when that picture was taken.
 
2013-05-08 03:23:38 PM

bdub77: Neighbors said they called cops two years ago when they saw a naked woman crawling around Castro's back yard - but officers dismissed it as a prank.

Another call was reportedly made when neighbors saw three girls crawling on all fours with nothing but dog leashes around their necks, according to USA Today. They said police never responded to their call.

A resident said he called police a third time, in 2011, when his sister heard pounding on their window and looked up to see a woman outside with a baby. When the cops came, they found nothing and left, the neighbor said.

But the Cleveland Police Department said cops were dispatched to the home only twice over the past 13 years, never in relation to the missing girls.  They first came in 2000, when Ariel reported a fight in the street, the Cleveland PD said, and returned in 2004 after Ariel left a child unattended on a bus. But no one came to the door during that visit, and the cops simply left.

Let's hear it for the Cleveland law enforcement officers for saving the day!


The 911 calls are just as bad.  The girl made a call and the neighbor made a separate call.  In both calls the 911 operators basically dismissed them saying, "we'll call police" and then ended the call.  Amazing.
 
2013-05-08 03:29:19 PM

chuggernaught: titwrench: OddLlama: FTA:Gina's aunt Sandra Ruiz told reporters outside the family home: "If you don't believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Yup. God really came through on this one.

Where was God the first 4 times they had a chance to be saved? Comic-con?

God is not Superman.  The real world is not a comic book.  Stop commenting on supernatural things you don't understand.

/faith does not work like a wish granting genie in a lamp.


anyways everyone knows Jesus Saves. Not God. I've seen it on barns.
 
2013-05-08 03:29:22 PM

TheDirtyNacho: DNA sequencing of these guys' genome should be done.  Amazing that 3 brothers seem to have the same sociopathic nature.  Perhaps one day we can spot these people before they're born...


Why is it genetic?  The larger the group, the more sociopathy can take hold; that's why it's called sociopathy.  Lone gunmen have a hard time carrying out Lidices and My Lais.  And unfortunately, group crimes -- I-bank grand larceny, date rapes by the Alpha jocks, war crimes -- get more apologists than spree killers or serial rapists ("these are lies spread by those who hate our people/player haters!").

Paradoxically, the group participants in crime will often blame a lone individual for the crimes, e.g. Germans after 1945: "yes, terrible things happened, but Hitler did them, and he's dead now, so we're good, right?"
 
2013-05-08 03:39:13 PM
 
2013-05-08 03:45:36 PM

FLMountainMan: I think it's funny how Fark and Farkers have evolved so that now  DRO IN THE WIND is usually the most reasonable person in any given thread.



It's not the Farkers who have evolved, my friend. Welcome to the good side.


/I've always been pretty reasonable, IMHO
 
2013-05-08 03:50:34 PM

bdub77: DROxINxTHExWIND: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.


I'm going to have to be the guy who defends the police department, here. Hindsight is 20/20. How many threads do Farkers biatch about unlawful searches and dogs being killed by reckless S.W.A.T. teams? Now, we're going to go the other direction and say that a cop should treat every call like a possible child abduction?  We have no idea how many prank or stupid calls that police departments receive where they waste their time and our money investigating bullshiat. We need to blame the folks who call 911 because the manager at Burger King won't super size their meal or the woman who calls because her daughter cursed at her. Int he story of the Boy who cried wolf, we didn't blame the townsfolk for being slow to respond. We blamed the boy who was carelessly alerting them for no reason.

There's a difference between unlawful search and following up on a call to police about women on leashes in someone's backyard. In the case of the sounds I've heard in my neighborhood, I can understand if the cops have seen evidence of firecrackers or know some kids that go back there for that purpose. On the other hand, you better damn well investigate something like women on leashes.


Note to self, if I spot women on leashes in the neighbors yard, I will report someone smoking doobage instead. The PD will then roll with battle tanks and fury, kill everyone and those poor girls will be put out of their misery.
 
2013-05-08 04:16:50 PM

FLMountainMan: I think it's funny how Fark and Farkers have evolved so that now  DRO IN THE WIND is usually the most reasonable person in any given thread.


I know. I'm speechless.
 
2013-05-08 04:32:21 PM
Last year was the year of the good, old fashion W.A.S.P. psychopaths. This is year, everyone else is getting into the action. We've had African-American with Donner, Chechen Muslim with the Boston Bombers and now Hispanic. I wonder who will be next?
 
2013-05-08 04:34:35 PM

mekki: Last year was the year of the good, old fashion W.A.S.P. psychopaths. This is year, everyone else is getting into the action. We've had African-American with Donner, Chechen Muslim with the Boston Bombers and now Hispanic. I wonder who will be next?


My money is on Hawaiian or Inuit.
 
2013-05-08 04:38:34 PM
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//was going to go for him carrying mcd tray with food and victims on, but quick and dirty cos it's gimp

//bad workman - tools - i know, i know
 
2013-05-08 04:39:17 PM
I feel sorry for the girl who gave birth to her rapist's daughter. That must be an awful feeling, to be impregnated by someone you don't love yuck! I wonder how the daughter will be treated. In this situation, it wouldn't be strange if she gave the kid up for adoption because most likely the kid will remind her of years of torture and fear.
 
2013-05-08 04:55:02 PM
I feel sorry for the girl who gave birth to her rapist's daughter. That must be an awful feeling, to be impregnated by someone you don't love yuck! I wonder how the daughter will be treated. In this situation, it wouldn't be strange if she gave the kid up for adoption because most likely the kid will remind her of years of torture and fear.

Last thing that kid needs is to be put up for adoption. The best thing for her is to be with her mother and a support system. The kid and the mother have nothing to be ashamed of.
 
2013-05-08 04:57:45 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: FLMountainMan: I think it's funny how Fark and Farkers have evolved so that now  DRO IN THE WIND is usually the most reasonable person in any given thread.


It's not the Farkers who have evolved, my friend. Welcome to the good side.


/I've always been pretty reasonable, IMHO


I mean no offense, but I am pretty entertained when you are in threads. People jump on you with incredible speed. And I like to watch the aftermath.

I do think you are mostly reasonable. But don't take away my entertainment. Booze is more expensive than internet.
 
2013-05-08 05:01:16 PM

GreenSun: I feel sorry for the girl who gave birth to her rapist's daughter. That must be an awful feeling, to be impregnated by someone you don't love yuck! I wonder how the daughter will be treated. In this situation, it wouldn't be strange if she gave the kid up for adoption because most likely the kid will remind her of years of torture and fear.


i can't even imagine.  still though, i imagine such a situation created a bond that the mother probably would not want to break.  she probably has been protecting this kid for 6 years.  why would she stop?  or just have escaped without the kid?
 
2013-05-08 05:03:42 PM

megarian: DROxINxTHExWIND: FLMountainMan: I think it's funny how Fark and Farkers have evolved so that now  DRO IN THE WIND is usually the most reasonable person in any given thread.


It's not the Farkers who have evolved, my friend. Welcome to the good side.


/I've always been pretty reasonable, IMHO

I mean no offense, but I am pretty entertained when you are in threads. People jump on you with incredible speed. And I like to watch the aftermath.

I do think you are mostly reasonable. But don't take away my entertainment. Booze is more expensive than internet.


Lol. None taken. And in the words of the little Hispanic girl... "Why not both?"

/*sits on shoulders, arms raised*
 
2013-05-08 05:03:56 PM

JC22: I feel sorry for the girl who gave birth to her rapist's daughter. That must be an awful feeling, to be impregnated by someone you don't love yuck! I wonder how the daughter will be treated. In this situation, it wouldn't be strange if she gave the kid up for adoption because most likely the kid will remind her of years of torture and fear.

Last thing that kid needs is to be put up for adoption. The best thing for her is to be with her mother and a support system. The kid and the mother have nothing to be ashamed of.


Not to mention that no mother willingly gives up a child she's raised and protected since birth to age six.
 
2013-05-08 05:05:44 PM
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"So I was eating my McDonald's when I see Grimace on the door. Three bigmacs broke through the corner of the door. Man, it's a DEAD GIVEAWAY when you see bigmacs running to a black man's mouth."

- McDonald's future advertisement script.
 
2013-05-08 05:05:54 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: megarian: DROxINxTHExWIND: FLMountainMan: I think it's funny how Fark and Farkers have evolved so that now  DRO IN THE WIND is usually the most reasonable person in any given thread.


It's not the Farkers who have evolved, my friend. Welcome to the good side.


/I've always been pretty reasonable, IMHO

I mean no offense, but I am pretty entertained when you are in threads. People jump on you with incredible speed. And I like to watch the aftermath.

I do think you are mostly reasonable. But don't take away my entertainment. Booze is more expensive than internet.

Lol. None taken. And in the words of the little Hispanic girl... "Why not both?"

/*sits on shoulders, arms raised*


That....um....

Yes.

Cheers.
 
2013-05-08 05:12:21 PM
What has two thumbs and is more relieved than the three freed captive women in Cleveland?
Mrs.Tamerlan Tsarnaev.

"We'll see your two evil brothers and raise you one." -said the Cleveland police to the media. (And the media rejoiced!!!)
 
2013-05-08 05:13:46 PM

OddLlama: FTA:Gina's aunt Sandra Ruiz told reporters outside the family home: "If you don't believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Yup. God really came through on this one.


Thank goodness for unanswered prayers.
 
2013-05-08 05:16:39 PM

chairmenmeow47: GreenSun: I feel sorry for the girl who gave birth to her rapist's daughter. That must be an awful feeling, to be impregnated by someone you don't love yuck! I wonder how the daughter will be treated. In this situation, it wouldn't be strange if she gave the kid up for adoption because most likely the kid will remind her of years of torture and fear.

i can't even imagine.  still though, i imagine such a situation created a bond that the mother probably would not want to break.  she probably has been protecting this kid for 6 years.  why would she stop?  or just have escaped without the kid?


Yeah, I suspect she risked an escape attempt for her daughter. I doubt the fact that one of those monsters fathered the little girl kept her any safer than the other hostages. I'm not an especially brave person and may not be able to protect myself, but I'd do whatever it took to save my children.
 
2013-05-08 05:20:24 PM

MutantMotherMouse: chairmenmeow47: GreenSun: I feel sorry for the girl who gave birth to her rapist's daughter. That must be an awful feeling, to be impregnated by someone you don't love yuck! I wonder how the daughter will be treated. In this situation, it wouldn't be strange if she gave the kid up for adoption because most likely the kid will remind her of years of torture and fear.

i can't even imagine.  still though, i imagine such a situation created a bond that the mother probably would not want to break.  she probably has been protecting this kid for 6 years.  why would she stop?  or just have escaped without the kid?

Yeah, I suspect she risked an escape attempt for her daughter. I doubt the fact that one of those monsters fathered the little girl kept her any safer than the other hostages. I'm not an especially brave person and may not be able to protect myself, but I'd do whatever it took to save my children.

 
 
Read Emma Donoghue's Room to understand more
 
2013-05-08 05:25:49 PM

OddLlama: FTA:Gina's aunt Sandra Ruiz told reporters outside the family home: "If you don't believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Yup. God really came through on this one.


Sandra, is that before or after the years of rape, beating, and torture?
Your God works in slow and ineffective ways.
 
2013-05-08 05:54:28 PM

Heinrich von Eckardt: This is the house.


Behind every Puerto Rican flag is an idiot.
 
2013-05-08 06:04:08 PM
I myself would like the 3 brothers to be stripped naked, tied to the bumper of a car and dragged down a gravel road, till they have road rash on about 80% of their bodies, Then they need to be tossed into a 6 foot deep pool filled with rubbing alcohol heated to about 100 degrees. This should be done every day for the rest of their lives.
 
2013-05-08 06:12:44 PM

3StratMan: need to be tossed into a 6 foot deep pool filled with rubbing alcohol heated to about 100 degrees. This should be done every day for the rest of their lives.


Only 1 of the brothers is being charged.
 
2013-05-08 06:24:33 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.


I'm going to have to be the guy who defends the police department, here. Hindsight is 20/20. How many threads do Farkers biatch about unlawful searches and dogs being killed by reckless S.W.A.T. teams? Now, we're going to go the other direction and say that a cop should treat every call like a possible child abduction?  We have no idea how many prank or stupid calls that police departments receive where they waste their time and our money investigating bullshiat. We need to blame the folks who call 911 because the manager at Burger King won't super size their meal or the woman who calls because her daughter cursed at her. Int he story of the Boy who cried wolf, we didn't blame the townsfolk for being slow to respond. We blamed the boy who was carelessly alerting them for no reason.


If it was just one or two calls, maybe, but there was a pattern. Naked women, women signaling from inside, etc. When you get four or five calls to the same property and all seem to relate to some woman being abused inside that house, at some point you have to do more than just knock on the door and leave when nobody comes out. Of course nobody is going to come out, you're being called to a home where a woman was paraded naked on a dog leash in the yard, or where a woman was seen frantically banging on a window trying to get out. One point makes a dot, two points make a line.
 
2013-05-08 06:28:54 PM
Only appropriate response to the perps:

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