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2013-05-08 12:40:34 PM
I'm surprised the Post isn't reporting 12 women were held captive for 10 years.
 
2013-05-08 12:41:06 PM
AND the Post does it again by posting a picture of the son instead of the father. Way to go professional journalists!
 
2013-05-08 12:41:59 PM
Tied to the three is a girl, a girl with supernatural powers born in captivity.... She shall be the one.... the one to rule them all.
Or she will be a hooker serial killer
 
2013-05-08 12:44:43 PM
Neighbors said they called cops two years ago when they saw a naked woman crawling around Castro's back yard - but officers dismissed it as a prank.

Another call was reportedly made when neighbors saw three girls crawling on all fours with nothing but dog leashes around their necks, according to USA Today. They said police never responded to their call.

A resident said he called police a third time, in 2011, when his sister heard pounding on their window and looked up to see a woman outside with a baby. When the cops came, they found nothing and left, the neighbor said.

But the Cleveland Police Department said cops were dispatched to the home only twice over the past 13 years, never in relation to the missing girls.  They first came in 2000, when Ariel reported a fight in the street, the Cleveland PD said, and returned in 2004 after Ariel left a child unattended on a bus. But no one came to the door during that visit, and the cops simply left.


Let's hear it for the Cleveland law enforcement officers for saving the day!
 
2013-05-08 12:46:08 PM
The real outrage is going to set in if someone can prove that the Cleveland PD did, in fact, blow off multiple 911 calls that would have alerted them to this horrorshow earlier.  Ugh.
 
2013-05-08 12:47:12 PM
Seymour!

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-08 12:47:43 PM
hmmm....


www.tvshowsondvd.com

22-0-7.  Ohhhh....  okay then.
 
2013-05-08 12:48:01 PM

bdub77: Neighbors said they called cops two years ago when they saw a naked woman crawling around Castro's back yard - but officers dismissed it as a prank.

Another call was reportedly made when neighbors saw three girls crawling on all fours with nothing but dog leashes around their necks, according to USA Today. They said police never responded to their call.

A resident said he called police a third time, in 2011, when his sister heard pounding on their window and looked up to see a woman outside with a baby. When the cops came, they found nothing and left, the neighbor said.

But the Cleveland Police Department said cops were dispatched to the home only twice over the past 13 years, never in relation to the missing girls.  They first came in 2000, when Ariel reported a fight in the street, the Cleveland PD said, and returned in 2004 after Ariel left a child unattended on a bus. But no one came to the door during that visit, and the cops simply left.

Let's hear it for the Cleveland law enforcement officers for saving the day!


pbs.twimg.com

Once these eggs finish cooking we'll be sitting pretty...
 
2013-05-08 12:49:54 PM
This is the house.
 
2013-05-08 12:50:53 PM
American Horror Story: 2207 Seymour Avenue
 
2013-05-08 12:52:07 PM
That's some good police work, Lou.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-08 12:53:12 PM
FTA:Gina's aunt Sandra Ruiz told reporters outside the family home: "If you don't believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Yup. God really came through on this one.
 
2013-05-08 12:53:19 PM

Heinrich von Eckardt: This is the house.


It's terrifying to know that the girls were chained up in there at the very moment the picture was taken.
 
2013-05-08 12:53:58 PM
Anyone know how and for how long 911 calls are tracked and recorded?  Are they in the hands of the police?  I'd have to think if these claims of calls made over the years were true someone other than the police would be able to confirm it at some point.
 
2013-05-08 12:56:00 PM

Heinrich von Eckardt: This is the house.


Things that make you go, "buuuhhhhh"
 
2013-05-08 12:56:24 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Anyone know how and for how long 911 calls are tracked and recorded?  Are they in the hands of the police?  I'd have to think if these claims of calls made over the years were true someone other than the police would be able to confirm it at some point.


I thought recorded ALL the calls...
 
2013-05-08 12:57:38 PM
The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.
 
2013-05-08 12:58:04 PM
DNA sequencing of these guys' genome should be done.  Amazing that 3 brothers seem to have the same sociopathic nature.  Perhaps one day we can spot these people before they're born...
 
2013-05-08 01:00:26 PM

OddLlama: FTA:Gina's aunt Sandra Ruiz told reporters outside the family home: "If you don't believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Yup. God really came through on this one.


you hush your mouth. He needs lots of sleep from creating the esrth in seven days, that was only a few thousand years ago. He had to have. A ten year nap before he could save the women.
 
2013-05-08 01:05:15 PM

OddLlama: FTA:Gina's aunt Sandra Ruiz told reporters outside the family home: "If you don't believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Yup. God really came through on this one.


Waiting is the price one pays for His unconditional love.
 
2013-05-08 01:05:43 PM
This is the 2nd time in a year that the Clevleand PD has been shown to be incompetent fools.. Nice work guys.
 
2013-05-08 01:05:59 PM

TheDirtyNacho: DNA sequencing of these guys' genome should be done.  Amazing that 3 brothers seem to have the same sociopathic nature.  Perhaps one day we can spot these people before they're born...


The daughter of one of the kidnappers also seems to have inherited the crazy genes.
 
2013-05-08 01:07:16 PM

bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.



I'm going to have to be the guy who defends the police department, here. Hindsight is 20/20. How many threads do Farkers biatch about unlawful searches and dogs being killed by reckless S.W.A.T. teams? Now, we're going to go the other direction and say that a cop should treat every call like a possible child abduction?  We have no idea how many prank or stupid calls that police departments receive where they waste their time and our money investigating bullshiat. We need to blame the folks who call 911 because the manager at Burger King won't super size their meal or the woman who calls because her daughter cursed at her. Int he story of the Boy who cried wolf, we didn't blame the townsfolk for being slow to respond. We blamed the boy who was carelessly alerting them for no reason.
 
2013-05-08 01:08:01 PM

bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.


I guess it depends on if you keep using that clearing or switch over to your crawlspace.
 
2013-05-08 01:08:41 PM
After reading all of this....

Neighbors said they called cops two years ago when they saw a naked woman crawling around Castro's back yard -  but officers dismissed it as a prank.

Another call was reportedly made when neighbors saw three girls crawling on all fours with nothing but dog leashes around their necks, according to USA Today.  They said police never responded to their call.

A resident said he called police a third time, in 2011, when his sister heard pounding on their window and looked up to see a woman outside with a baby.  When the cops came, they found nothing and left, the neighbor said.

But the Cleveland Police Department said cops were dispatched to the home only twice over the past 13 years, never in relation to the missing girls.  They first came in 2000, when Ariel reported a fight in the street, the Cleveland PD said, and returned in 2004 after Ariel left a child unattended on a bus.  But no one came to the door during that visit, and the cops simply left.



I am assuming there was a good amount of time spent late into Monday night and Tuesday morning as Cleveland PD searched and cleansed their records
 
2013-05-08 01:10:38 PM

Heinrich von Eckardt: This is the house.


I checked the view from the air, hoping to see some pretty white woman ass crawling around the back yard.  No dice.
 
2013-05-08 01:11:53 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.


I'm going to have to be the guy who defends the police department, here. Hindsight is 20/20. How many threads do Farkers biatch about unlawful searches and dogs being killed by reckless S.W.A.T. teams? Now, we're going to go the other direction and say that a cop should treat every call like a possible child abduction?  We have no idea how many prank or stupid calls that police departments receive where they waste their time and our money investigating bullshiat. We need to blame the folks who call 911 because the manager at Burger King won't super size their meal or the woman who calls because her daughter cursed at her. Int he story of the Boy who cried wolf, we didn't blame the townsfolk for being slow to respond. We blamed the boy who was carelessly alerting them for no reason.


There's a difference between unlawful search and following up on a call to police about women on leashes in someone's backyard. In the case of the sounds I've heard in my neighborhood, I can understand if the cops have seen evidence of firecrackers or know some kids that go back there for that purpose. On the other hand, you better damn well investigate something like women on leashes.
 
2013-05-08 01:13:08 PM
There will be 18 minutes 911 tape missing.
 
2013-05-08 01:14:24 PM
Rape in jail is never justified, except for this one time. It would be poetic justice when captor becomes captive, and rapist becomes raped.
 
2013-05-08 01:14:27 PM

bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.


So just a couple weeks ago people were crying about the cops canvassing Watertown without warrants.  Now people want the Cops to kick in doors because no one answers?
 
2013-05-08 01:15:48 PM

TheDirtyNacho: DNA sequencing of these guys' genome should be done.  Amazing that 3 brothers seem to have the same sociopathic nature.  Perhaps one day we can spot these people before they're born...


Or it could be that whole nurture thing.  But since the brothers should share about 25% common DNA among all three, it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out which is the sociopath gene, right?
 
2013-05-08 01:15:52 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.


I'm going to have to be the guy who defends the police department, here. Hindsight is 20/20. How many threads do Farkers biatch about unlawful searches and dogs being killed by reckless S.W.A.T. teams? Now, we're going to go the other direction and say that a cop should treat every call like a possible child abduction?  We have no idea how many prank or stupid calls that police departments receive where they waste their time and our money investigating bullshiat. We need to blame the folks who call 911 because the manager at Burger King won't super size their meal or the woman who calls because her daughter cursed at her. Int he story of the Boy who cried wolf, we didn't blame the townsfolk for being slow to respond. We blamed the boy who was carelessly alerting them for no reason.


I really hate to say it, but I kind if thought the same thing.
 
2013-05-08 01:16:08 PM
When they get to prison I am sure that they are going to be really popular. Special place in hell for monsters like this.
 
2013-05-08 01:16:53 PM

cookiefleck: Shrugging Atlas: Anyone know how and for how long 911 calls are tracked and recorded?  Are they in the hands of the police?  I'd have to think if these claims of calls made over the years were true someone other than the police would be able to confirm it at some point.

I thought recorded ALL the calls...


"Well, we looked and looked but we couldn't find any trace of those calls. Yeah, that's the ticket. I can only assume all those people are mistaken. Not our fault, citizens. Nothing to see here. Move along."
 
2013-05-08 01:17:11 PM

cookiefleck: Shrugging Atlas: Anyone know how and for how long 911 calls are tracked and recorded?  Are they in the hands of the police?  I'd have to think if these claims of calls made over the years were true someone other than the police would be able to confirm it at some point.

I thought recorded ALL the calls...


Thought recorded? Wouldn't it be easier to record on a hard drives? MP3 has been around for over 15 years.
 
2013-05-08 01:18:46 PM

karmaceutical: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.

So just a couple weeks ago people were crying about the cops canvassing Watertown without warrants.  Now people want the Cops to kick in doors because no one answers?


While I see your point about the calls to which the police chose to respond, it would be nice if they had responded to all of them.
 
2013-05-08 01:19:27 PM

megarian: DROxINxTHExWIND: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.


I'm going to have to be the guy who defends the police department, here. Hindsight is 20/20. How many threads do Farkers biatch about unlawful searches and dogs being killed by reckless S.W.A.T. teams? Now, we're going to go the other direction and say that a cop should treat every call like a possible child abduction?  We have no idea how many prank or stupid calls that police departments receive where they waste their time and our money investigating bullshiat. We need to blame the folks who call 911 because the manager at Burger King won't super size their meal or the woman who calls because her daughter cursed at her. Int he story of the Boy who cried wolf, we didn't blame the townsfolk for being slow to respond. We blamed the boy who was carelessly alerting them for no reason.

I really hate to say it, but I kind if thought the same thing.


So did I. Look at it another way and it's "Damn cops harass poor people unreasonably because someone heard a scream somewhere." And I'm not 100% believing in all of these stories -- people always like to see "signs" of something like this in retrospect. Screams, possibly seeing someone at a window? I can believe that. Women on leashes in the yard? Well .... it could happen.
 
2013-05-08 01:20:45 PM

thurstonxhowell: karmaceutical: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.

So just a couple weeks ago people were crying about the cops canvassing Watertown without warrants.  Now people want the Cops to kick in doors because no one answers?

While I see your point about the calls to which the police chose to respond, it would be nice if they had responded to all of them.


They responded, no one answers at a seemingly vacant house, no woman on a leash in the back yard.  What do you want them to do at that point?  Get a warrant?
 
2013-05-08 01:21:01 PM

bdub77: DROxINxTHExWIND: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.


I'm going to have to be the guy who defends the police department, here. Hindsight is 20/20. How many threads do Farkers biatch about unlawful searches and dogs being killed by reckless S.W.A.T. teams? Now, we're going to go the other direction and say that a cop should treat every call like a possible child abduction?  We have no idea how many prank or stupid calls that police departments receive where they waste their time and our money investigating bullshiat. We need to blame the folks who call 911 because the manager at Burger King won't super size their meal or the woman who calls because her daughter cursed at her. Int he story of the Boy who cried wolf, we didn't blame the townsfolk for being slow to respond. We blamed the boy who was carelessly alerting them for no reason.

There's a difference between unlawful search and following up on a call to police about women on leashes in someone's backyard. In the case of the sounds I've heard in my neighborhood, I can understand if the cops have seen evidence of firecrackers or know some kids that go back there for that purpose. On the other hand, you better damn well investigate something like women on leashes.


You have no idea what steps they took to investigate or follow up on this claim. For all we know, they positioned a squad car in the area to keep watch. They may have increased patrols. Or, in the absence of an immediate follow-up call or complaint, they may have thought it was a neighbor complaining about consensual activity that was visible, but taking place on another man's private property.
 
2013-05-08 01:21:05 PM
Wow... that was rubbish tabloid journalism at its most craven.

Please refrain from actually calling the suspects "losers" in your copy, or I will consider you a ridiculous hack and not to be trusted.  The NY Post makes the typical Daily Mail piece about "Girl and her mum have the largest tits in Britain, innit"  look like Pulitzer material.
 
2013-05-08 01:21:15 PM

karmaceutical: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.

So just a couple weeks ago people were crying about the cops canvassing Watertown without warrants.  Now people want the Cops to kick in doors because no one answers?


Which is kind of funny since they caught Tsarnaev because someone reported an incident to the police.
 
2013-05-08 01:22:44 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: bdub77: DROxINxTHExWIND: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.


I'm going to have to be the guy who defends the police department, here. Hindsight is 20/20. How many threads do Farkers biatch about unlawful searches and dogs being killed by reckless S.W.A.T. teams? Now, we're going to go the other direction and say that a cop should treat every call like a possible child abduction?  We have no idea how many prank or stupid calls that police departments receive where they waste their time and our money investigating bullshiat. We need to blame the folks who call 911 because the manager at Burger King won't super size their meal or the woman who calls because her daughter cursed at her. Int he story of the Boy who cried wolf, we didn't blame the townsfolk for being slow to respond. We blamed the boy who was carelessly alerting them for no reason.

There's a difference between unlawful search and following up on a call to police about women on leashes in someone's backyard. In the case of the sounds I've heard in my neighborhood, I can understand if the cops have seen evidence of firecrackers or know some kids that go back there for that purpose. On the other hand, you better damn well investigate something like women on leashes.

You have no idea what steps they took to investigate or follow up on this claim. For all we know, they positioned a squad car in the area to keep watch. They may have increased patrols. Or, in the absence of an immediate follow-up call or complaint, they may have thought it was a neighbor complaining about consensual activity that was visible, but taking place on another man's private property.


Well from the report: "They said police never responded to their call. "

Now you may be right but they certainly didn't follow up with the people who reported it, and it would certainly appear they in fact did nothing.
 
2013-05-08 01:23:30 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: I'm going to have to be the guy who defends the police department, here. Hindsight is 20/20. How many threads do Farkers biatch about unlawful searches and dogs being killed by reckless S.W.A.T. teams? Now, we're going to go the other direction and say that a cop should treat every call like a possible child abduction?  We have no idea how many prank or stupid calls that police departments receive where they waste their time and our money investigating bullshiat. We need to blame the folks who call 911 because the manager at Burger King won't super size their meal or the woman who calls because her daughter cursed at her. Int he story of the Boy who cried wolf, we didn't blame the townsfolk for being slow to respond. We blamed the boy who was carelessly alerting them for no reason.


Add in that kindly uncle Arial who played gave free ATV rides turned out to be Josef Frankl and no one should be surprised just how many times you'll now be hearing 'you know, I always knew there wasn't something right about that man.' Its easier to blame the police than to admit that the neighborhood monster had just about everyone fooled.
 
2013-05-08 01:25:38 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: bdub77: DROxINxTHExWIND: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.


I'm going to have to be the guy who defends the police department, here. Hindsight is 20/20. How many threads do Farkers biatch about unlawful searches and dogs being killed by reckless S.W.A.T. teams? Now, we're going to go the other direction and say that a cop should treat every call like a possible child abduction?  We have no idea how many prank or stupid calls that police departments receive where they waste their time and our money investigating bullshiat. We need to blame the folks who call 911 because the manager at Burger King won't super size their meal or the woman who calls because her daughter cursed at her. Int he story of the Boy who cried wolf, we didn't blame the townsfolk for being slow to respond. We blamed the boy who was carelessly alerting them for no reason.

There's a difference between unlawful search and following up on a call to police about women on leashes in someone's backyard. In the case of the sounds I've heard in my neighborhood, I can understand if the cops have seen evidence of firecrackers or know some kids that go back there for that purpose. On the other hand, you better damn well investigate something like women on leashes.

You have no idea what steps they took to investigate or follow up on this claim. For all we know, they positioned a squad car in the area to keep watch. They may have increased patrols. Or, in the absence of an immediate follow-up call or complaint, they may have thought it was a neighbor complaining about consensual activity that was visible, but taking place on another man's private property.


This ain't exactly a "nice" part of Cleveland.  I am sure they didn't have spare offices to stake out reports of a woman on a leash.  They've got a barrage of robberies and shootings to deal with.  Probably how subtle things like what these lunatics pulled off can slip under the radar.
 
2013-05-08 01:26:03 PM

Guinness for Strength: Heinrich von Eckardt: This is the house.

It's terrifying to know that the girls were chained up in there at the very moment the picture was taken.


Yeah, your comment made my skin crawl. Well, thinking about what you said, not the simple fact of your comment.
 
2013-05-08 01:26:51 PM

Killer Cars: I'm surprised the Post isn't reporting 12 women were held captive for 10 years.


By extraterrestrials.
 
2013-05-08 01:27:25 PM

OddLlama: FTA:Gina's aunt Sandra Ruiz told reporters outside the family home: "If you don't believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Yup. God really came through on this one.


Where was God the first 4 times they had a chance to be saved? Comic-con?
 
2013-05-08 01:27:34 PM

No Such Agency: Wow... that was rubbish tabloid journalism at its most craven.

Please refrain from actually calling the suspects "losers" in your copy, or I will consider you a ridiculous hack and not to be trusted.  The NY Post makes the typical Daily Mail piece about "Girl and her mum have the largest tits in Britain, innit"  look like Pulitzer material.


They can't all win the race to the bottom

//sure can try
 
2013-05-08 01:28:05 PM

karmaceutical: thurstonxhowell: karmaceutical: bdub77: The incompetence of the officers reminds me when I hear what sound like obvious gunshots coming from the wooded area behind my house. The police don't even bother to investigate when we call it in, they just say it's probably some kids lighting firecrackers.

Some day they are probably going to find like 40 bodies buried in the woods back there.

So just a couple weeks ago people were crying about the cops canvassing Watertown without warrants.  Now people want the Cops to kick in doors because no one answers?

While I see your point about the calls to which the police chose to respond, it would be nice if they had responded to all of them.

They responded, no one answers at a seemingly vacant house, no woman on a leash in the back yard.  What do you want them to do at that point?  Get a warrant?


Should I repeat my previous post, or will you just continue to pretend they responded to every call?
 
2013-05-08 01:28:06 PM
I hope they get the death penalty.
 
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