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2013-05-08 02:58:59 PM  

BigLuca: Fine, I'll do it
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You crazy bastage.  I almost pissed myself when I saw that.

\+1
 
2013-05-08 02:59:47 PM  
Sounds like he got pretty good public defenders. Now that he is entering the insanity plea his lawyers will be able to raise their constitutional challenges to Colorado's insanity laws.

Plus anything to put time between what he did and the trial is only beneficial to him. This is what competent defense of the accused should look like in our system folks. Try to contain your bloodlust and desire for vengeance and let adults handle the criminal justice system.

Once he's been convicted or pleads having had the assistance of competent counsel, you guys can come back to that thread to engage in torture fantasies.
 
2013-05-08 03:16:09 PM  
i guess this crowd prefers sideshow mel
 
2013-05-08 03:22:33 PM  
Ahhhh! Sideshow Bob!
 
2013-05-08 03:25:05 PM  
"I have some hostages, and they are tied up in a sack at the top of a flag pole. I'm going to blow them up at midnight, unless I get these three demands:

ONE! I want a million dollars!

TWO: I want a getaway car waiting for me! and

THREE: I want the letter M stricken from the English language. See, you have to make one crazy demand, so if they catch you, you can plead insanity.

Hah, getaway car."

-Steve Martin
 
2013-05-08 03:26:49 PM  

BizarreMan: quantum_csc: OK, upon further research the youngest person shot was 3 months old.  WTF is up with people bringing small children to a violent 3 hour movie at midnight?

Why take a 3 month old to that movie any time?


That is how passive aggressiveness works.
 
2013-05-08 03:27:07 PM  

bmwericus: Personally, I suppose life in a mental hospital is a bit better than life in prison, but I sure hope never to have to make that choice myself.


It's not. It's really, REALLY not. In prison, you typically have your cell and person to yourself, even from the guards outside of inspections. If you play by the rules and don't cause problems for the guards or other inmates, you'll be allowed to live as a human being, albeit one who made a bad decision that resulted in them winding up in prison in the first place (no guarantees of course). But an asylum starts from the assumption that you are unfit to operate as a human being and they will always stand ready to sedate, restrain, incapacitate, and throw you in solitary for two weeks for something as simple as refusing to eat a portion of your meal because you don't like lima beans. Think about how much more misery can be heaped upon a person by declaring them to be sub-human and you'll get an idea of what an asylum can do to a person.
 
2013-05-08 03:30:12 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: "I have some hostages, and they are tied up in a sack at the top of a flag pole. I'm going to blow them up at midnight, unless I get these three demands:

ONE! I want a million dollars!

TWO: I want a getaway car waiting for me! and

THREE: I want the letter M stricken from the English language. See, you have to make one crazy demand, so if they catch you, you can plead insanity.

Hah, getaway car."

-Steve Martin


No naked pictures of bea arthur?
 
2013-05-08 03:40:28 PM  
Making fun of Hitler is not only okay but it is necessary. He was a world leader, supported by industrialists from around the world, a slayer of millions, a head of a country that voted for him.

Making fun of a mentally-ill killer is unnecessary and cruel. He is sick, depraved and a killer but while reducing him to a social joke might make you feel better, it weakens the respect required for treating mental illness as a disease that strikes millions and millions of Americans.

You keep taking that "sleeping" pill at night. Keep taking that upper in the morning. Keep washing that evening happy pill down with some self-medicating scotch. Mental illness is a biatch and anyone who wants to laugh at a most extreme example doesn't need my permission. But who knows, someday you might not be able to leave your house or control your vocalizations or your actions. I hope when they laugh at you, they call you Mr. Sideshow Bob. Out of respect.
 
2013-05-08 03:43:57 PM  

Maktaka: bmwericus: Personally, I suppose life in a mental hospital is a bit better than life in prison, but I sure hope never to have to make that choice myself.

It's not. It's really, REALLY not. In prison, you typically have your cell and person to yourself, even from the guards outside of inspections. If you play by the rules and don't cause problems for the guards or other inmates, you'll be allowed to live as a human being, albeit one who made a bad decision that resulted in them winding up in prison in the first place (no guarantees of course). But an asylum starts from the assumption that you are unfit to operate as a human being and they will always stand ready to sedate, restrain, incapacitate, and throw you in solitary for two weeks for something as simple as refusing to eat a portion of your meal because you don't like lima beans. Think about how much more misery can be heaped upon a person by declaring them to be sub-human and you'll get an idea of what an asylum can do to a person.

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I've watched enough Lockup on MSNBC to disagree.  What  you are describing as an asylum sounds like solitary confinment in a maximun security prison.
 
2013-05-08 03:45:28 PM  

Maktaka: bmwericus: Personally, I suppose life in a mental hospital is a bit better than life in prison, but I sure hope never to have to make that choice myself.

It's not. It's really, REALLY not. In prison, you typically have your cell and person to yourself, even from the guards outside of inspections. If you play by the rules and don't cause problems for the guards or other inmates, you'll be allowed to live as a human being, albeit one who made a bad decision that resulted in them winding up in prison in the first place (no guarantees of course). But an asylum starts from the assumption that you are unfit to operate as a human being and they will always stand ready to sedate, restrain, incapacitate, and throw you in solitary for two weeks for something as simple as refusing to eat a portion of your meal because you don't like lima beans. Think about how much more misery can be heaped upon a person by declaring them to be sub-human and you'll get an idea of what an asylum can do to a person.


From what I've heard, the mental hospitals that treat the criminally insane are considered to be much, much worse than even a maximum-security prison.  Not only do they slap you in eight-point restraints (i.e. two leather straps per limb) when needed, but the inmates at a hospital are much more unpredictable than the inmates at a prison.  If you get shanked at a regular prison, you usually have a good idea why they shanked you; in a mental hospital, you might get shanked without warning simply because the Purple Giraffe at the Center of Existence told some inmate he had to hurt you...
 
2013-05-08 03:49:40 PM  
IIRC, "Sideshow Bob" was Drew's idea. It was not a good idea though.
 
2013-05-08 03:54:51 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Making fun of Hitler is not only okay but it is necessary. He was a world leader, supported by industrialists from around the world, a slayer of millions, a head of a country that voted for him.

Making fun of a mentally-ill killer is unnecessary and cruel. He is sick, depraved and a killer but while reducing him to a social joke might make you feel better, it weakens the respect required for treating mental illness as a disease that strikes millions and millions of Americans.


What if, for argument's sake, it was proven from DNA analysis of his jackboots that Hitler also had Sideshow-Bob Syndrome and was just as batshiat insane as Holmes?  Then would it be oh-so-terrible to reduce Hitler to a 'social joke', Mr. Self-Righteous?  Does being insane make a person completely free from following any moral code whatsoever?
 
2013-05-08 03:56:11 PM  
When you call him Sideshow Bob, i know exactly who you are talking about.  He has lost the rights to his name.

But he still is a human being so we need to remember that even the worst people are still human and deserve at least the base level of humane treatment .
 
2013-05-08 04:07:24 PM  

Psycat: TheShavingofOccam123: Making fun of Hitler is not only okay but it is necessary. He was a world leader, supported by industrialists from around the world, a slayer of millions, a head of a country that voted for him.

Making fun of a mentally-ill killer is unnecessary and cruel. He is sick, depraved and a killer but while reducing him to a social joke might make you feel better, it weakens the respect required for treating mental illness as a disease that strikes millions and millions of Americans.

What if, for argument's sake, it was proven from DNA analysis of his jackboots that Hitler also had Sideshow-Bob Syndrome and was just as batshiat insane as Holmes?  Then would it be oh-so-terrible to reduce Hitler to a 'social joke', Mr. Self-Righteous?  Does being insane make a person completely free from following any moral code whatsoever?


Hitler WAS bat-shiat insane. He was also used as a tool by millions inside and outside Germany. That's why its necessary to make fun of Hitler. He and his made it their business, their raison d'etre to slaughter and loot.

The guy with the orange hair? He snapped, evidently. Just came apart at the seams after what appears to be a reasonably "normal" life. No one encouraged him to commit his crimes, no one profited from them, no one vented their spleens vicariously through his rise to power.

Society can laugh at whomever it wants to. We used to laugh at minstrel shows. We used to laugh at rape jokes (I still make them when the GOP leadership decides--now get this--that forced rape by a medical professional should be legalized as a deterrent against abortion.) But there are literally millions of Americans who have physiological and mental problems caused by stressors just like the guy with the orange hair experienced. He reacted differently to his stressors. Plenty of Americans just pop pills regularly.

/sorry about Godwinning myself
 
2013-05-08 04:17:12 PM  

rev. dave: When you call him Sideshow Bob, i know exactly who you are talking about.  He has lost the rights to his name.

But he still is a human being so we need to remember that even the worst people are still human and deserve at least the base level of humane treatment .


I'm not sure if I agree or not.  I figure that by destroying 12 lives and seriously messing up several dozen more, Sideshow Bob has pretty much torn up and burned his membership card in the human race.  The only reason we should treat him humanely is because the damage that inhumane treatment would do to our society.

Besides, even if we ignored the 'cruel and unusual' phrase in the Constitution and hooked Sideshow Bob up to a torture machine and turned it up to 11--and put him on a feeding tube to make sure the torment goes on for decades--I don't know if we'd even get proper retribution for the massive amount of human suffering he's caused to the families of his victims.

This is where hard-core metaphysics comes into play.  If you're leaning towards nihilism and atheism, it's very likely Sideshow Bob will never get true retribution for the misery he's caused.  If you're leaning towards Eastern religions, Sideshow Bob has so much negative karma in his karmic bank account that he'll probably be murdered in his next 12 reincarnations, injured by gunfire in the next few dozen, and have a close family member murdered by a spree killer in the next several hundred reincarnations.  Christianity is problematic; some Christians might say that he's probably beyond ever repenting and is pretty much doomed to eternal damnation.  Other Christians, especially evangelicals, will insist that Sideshow Bob can repent on his deathbed and still get into Heaven--and ironically, if any of his victims were unsaved, they're now burning in Hell themselves.  This is why, even if Christianity is true, the Jeebus Monster can go fark himself...
 
2013-05-08 04:30:13 PM  

Gonz: Look, there's run-of-the-mill insane. Then, there's the type of insane that deserves its own media- Art Bell or the "Aliens." guy. That's OK, the second type of insane can be entertaining.

This dude, though, he's got the type of insane that led him to kill a bunch of people. It's not like he's really going to be contributing a whole lot to society, ever. Let's just put him down like a bad dog and get on with our lives as best we can.


This. He will always be a danger to society. Is it better for society to lock him in a cage for decade after decade or should we just kill him quickly and painlessly? I say the latter.
 
2013-05-08 04:36:58 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Hitler WAS bat-shiat insane. He was also used as a tool by millions inside and outside Germany. That's why its necessary to make fun of Hitler. He and his made it their business, their raison d'etre to slaughter and loot.


The guy with the orange hair? He snapped, evidently. Just came apart at the seams after what appears to be a reasonably "normal" life. No one encouraged him to commit his crimes, no one profited from them, no one vented their spleens vicariously through his rise to power.

This doesn't make any sense to me.  It's OK to make fun of a madman if industrialists profit from it, but wrong to make fun of a madman if industrialists don't profit from it?  That's what I infer from your reasoning.  What if future evidence shows that Hitler just snapped one day in 1923 after a 'normal' life, and that Sideshow Bob was somehow used by industrialists to sell more bulletproof vests?

Society can laugh at whomever it wants to. We used to laugh at minstrel shows. We used to laugh at rape jokes (I still make them when the GOP leadership decides--now get this--that forced rape by a medical professional should be legalized as a deterrent against abortion.) But there are literally millions of Americans who have physiological and mental problems caused by stressors just like the guy with the orange hair experienced. He reacted differently to his stressors. Plenty of Americans just pop pills regularly.

For starters, what if it were determined that most Americans have a newly-discovered mental illness called Laughs-at-Spree-Killers Syndrome?  Then self-righteously condemning people who laugh at Sideshow Bob is just as bad laughing at Sideshow Bob directly.  Considering how many Americans want to see Sideshow Bob tortured slowly to death, merely laughing at him is a bagatelle.

And, if Sideshow Bob had gone the pill-popping route, he wouldn't be facing spending the rest of his life in an institution, wouldn't he?  Finally, if we're going the compassionate route, what about Sideshow Bob's future victims?  Yes, he deserves humane treatment, but he should also be committed for the rest of his life if, for no other reason, that we have to think about the other people he might murder in the future.  And, it's not really presumptuous either to think he will kill again; he pretty much set a precedent when he blew away all those people in Aurora.
 
2013-05-08 04:37:15 PM  
why are people saying his attorneys are scum bags? they're public defenders. it's his right to have council so someone has to do it. public defenders enter their profession because they want to and they want to make sure the system works properly. they don't do it for the money.
 
2013-05-08 04:51:44 PM  

Mugato: quantum_csc: Who brings a 6 year old to a midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises?

I was 2 when I saw Jaws in the theater. Not sure what time it was but what's the big deal?


I remember that, I was in the same theater. You started crying multiple times and spoiled the movie. Your parents should have left you home with a babysitter.
 
2013-05-08 05:11:36 PM  

Aarontology: Why don't you pussies just start calling him He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named?

Also, you don't get to go on and on about him being crazy, then be pissed off that his lawyers are attempting to say that he is, you know, crazy.


He looks like Sideshow Bob.

Now, if he could get a cell mate that looks like Bart.
 
2013-05-08 05:27:01 PM  
He is going to a mental hospital before the trial even begins. He will still stand trial and can be found guilty if even an evaluation by doctors finds that he was insane at the time of the shootings. If he is found guilty at trial he could still go to prison. Pleading insanity is a tactic to maybe avoid the death penalty.
 
2013-05-08 05:30:40 PM  
Another Government Employee: Aarontology: Why don't you pussies just start calling him He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named?
 
Also, you don't get to go on and on about him being crazy, then be pissed off that his lawyers are attempting to say that he is, you know, crazy.
 
He looks like Sideshow Bob.
 
Now, if he could get a cell mate that looks like Bart Snake
 
FTFY
 
24.media.tumblr.com 
 
Use a pen, Sideshow Bob
 
2013-05-08 05:43:41 PM  

Another Government Employee: Aarontology: Why don't you pussies just start calling him He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named?

Also, you don't get to go on and on about him being crazy, then be pissed off that his lawyers are attempting to say that he is, you know, crazy.

He looks like Sideshow Bob.

Now, if he could get a cell mate that looks like Bart.


Funny enough. Google bart simpson hit man.

there is a bart. And he does look like the simpson
 
2013-05-08 05:54:12 PM  

sithon: nekom: I approve of calling him Sideshow Bob.  His name is irrelevant.  Whether he dies in prison, gets the needle or dies in a looney bin, I don't care.

there is the remote possibility that if declared insane ,he could be declared sane at a later date .
I suspect they would then put him back in regular prison , because politically it would be a big deal.


In cases like this, "being found same later" has almost never happened
 
2013-05-08 06:14:08 PM  

nekom: Insanity and meticulous planning are not polar opposites. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe what they need to prove to quash an insanity defense is that he understood what he was doing at the time, and knew that it was wrong.


He propped the back door of the theater open so that he would have access to the theater with his body armor and long rifle.  He knew that the theater wouldn't allow him in the front door with that stuff.
 
2013-05-08 06:30:21 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Let's see: you could use a name that has instant meaning to millions of people ("Sideshow Bob"), OR you could use a bland, generic name that just fades into the background because it is so common (James Holmes).

Gee, which will land the guy in Obscurity Land faster...?


It seems a little insane for people on a comment thread to argue about whether the precise wording of their posts will positively or negatively impact society.
 
2013-05-08 06:41:39 PM  

nekom: Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe what they need to prove to quash an insanity defense is that he understood what he was doing at the time, and knew that it was wrong.


You're wrong.  The burden of proving insanity is on the defense; there is no presumption of insanity. Prosecution need only prove his actions.
 
2013-05-08 06:43:06 PM  

Maktaka: bmwericus: Personally, I suppose life in a mental hospital is a bit better than life in prison, but I sure hope never to have to make that choice myself.

It's not. It's really, REALLY not. In prison, you typically have your cell and person to yourself, even from the guards outside of inspections. If you play by the rules and don't cause problems for the guards or other inmates, you'll be allowed to live as a human being, albeit one who made a bad decision that resulted in them winding up in prison in the first place (no guarantees of course). But an asylum starts from the assumption that you are unfit to operate as a human being and they will always stand ready to sedate, restrain, incapacitate, and throw you in solitary for two weeks for something as simple as refusing to eat a portion of your meal because you don't like lima beans. Think about how much more misery can be heaped upon a person by declaring them to be sub-human and you'll get an idea of what an asylum can do to a person.


I worked in one. You speak the truth.
 
2013-05-08 06:49:45 PM  

Roman Fyseek: nekom: Insanity and meticulous planning are not polar opposites. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe what they need to prove to quash an insanity defense is that he understood what he was doing at the time, and knew that it was wrong.

He propped the back door of the theater open so that he would have access to the theater with his body armor and long rifle.  He knew that the theater wouldn't allow him in the front door with that stuff.


That's the thing that will hang him in court. He knew what he was going to do was wrong, so he had plans to circumvent the theater from stopping him.
 
2013-05-08 06:59:03 PM  
Was he the guy that shot the congressman, went postal in a movie theater, or the guy that shot up that gradeschool.

/All crazy white guys in their 20's look the same.
 
2013-05-08 07:42:36 PM  
No one wants to hear it, but I'm gonna say it. I've had almost a whole beer and gathered the courage to admit what we all know;

He's coco for coconuts crazy.

And you know, the guy sought help, at one time. He tried.

This sounds cliche, but the people on trial should be anyone who didn't try to stop him.
 
2013-05-08 08:16:48 PM  

roughridersfan: Roman Fyseek: nekom: Insanity and meticulous planning are not polar opposites. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe what they need to prove to quash an insanity defense is that he understood what he was doing at the time, and knew that it was wrong.

He propped the back door of the theater open so that he would have access to the theater with his body armor and long rifle.  He knew that the theater wouldn't allow him in the front door with that stuff.

That's the thing that will hang him in court. He knew what he was going to do was wrong, so he had plans to circumvent the theater from stopping him.


I doubt very much it is as simple as that. His defense might argue that THE VOICES told him to do what he did and that it was good and right for him to do it, even if local earthly authorities didn't share the same view.
 
2013-05-08 09:39:21 PM  

pdrake: why are people saying his attorneys are scum bags? they're public defenders. it's his right to have council so someone has to do it. public defenders enter their profession because they want to and they want to make sure the system works properly. they don't do it for the money.


I knew a woman who worked for the public defender's office in the sexual offender's department, one of the worst jobs anyone can have: It was their job to defend the admitted scumbags who were accused of molesting children. She had to go interview the victims before trial, and often got the door slammed in her face and people screaming at her "How can you defend those monsters?"

Her response, which bears repeating here, was "Because our justice system demands that everyone get a fair trial, and if they don't get a competent defense, the judge will have to let them go free. Is that what you want?" People nearly always talked to her after that.
 
2013-05-08 10:21:54 PM  

Mega Steve: Diogenes: Well, he still seems to have crazy eyes.  But that was an awful lot of meticulous planning for a crazy defense.

You don't have to be sane to be smart.


And what is sanity, anyway? A one trick pony. All it gives you is logical thinking. But when you're good and crazy, woohoohoo, the sky's the limit!
 
2013-05-08 11:11:52 PM  
ANOTHER right wing nu.... Oh, wait.
 
2013-05-09 12:23:10 AM  

Psycat: TheShavingofOccam123: Hitler WAS bat-shiat insane. He was also used as a tool by millions inside and outside Germany. That's why its necessary to make fun of Hitler. He and his made it their business, their raison d'etre to slaughter and loot.

The guy with the orange hair? He snapped, evidently. Just came apart at the seams after what appears to be a reasonably "normal" life. No one encouraged him to commit his crimes, no one profited from them, no one vented their spleens vicariously through his rise to power.

This doesn't make any sense to me.  It's OK to make fun of a madman if industrialists profit from it, but wrong to make fun of a madman if industrialists don't profit from it?  That's what I infer from your reasoning.  What if future evidence shows that Hitler just snapped one day in 1923 after a 'normal' life, and that Sideshow Bob was somehow used by industrialists to sell more bulletproof vests?

Society can laugh at whomever it wants to. We used to laugh at minstrel shows. We used to laugh at rape jokes (I still make them when the GOP leadership decides--now get this--that forced rape by a medical professional should be legalized as a deterrent against abortion.) But there are literally millions of Americans who have physiological and mental problems caused by stressors just like the guy with the orange hair experienced. He reacted differently to his stressors. Plenty of Americans just pop pills regularly.

For starters, what if it were determined that most Americans have a newly-discovered mental illness called Laughs-at-Spree-Killers Syndrome?  Then self-righteously condemning people who laugh at Sideshow Bob is just as bad laughing at Sideshow Bob directly.  Considering how many Americans want to see Sideshow Bob tortured slowly to death, merely laughing at him is a bagatelle.

And, if Sideshow Bob had gone the pill-popping route, he wouldn't be facing spending the rest of his life in an institution, wouldn't he?  Finally, if we're going the compassi ...


You know, I've seen plenty of strawman attacks in my time; but I'm not sure I've ever seen an argument made of straw.
 
2013-05-09 06:08:11 AM  

Jument: roughridersfan: Roman Fyseek: nekom: Insanity and meticulous planning are not polar opposites. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe what they need to prove to quash an insanity defense is that he understood what he was doing at the time, and knew that it was wrong.

He propped the back door of the theater open so that he would have access to the theater with his body armor and long rifle.  He knew that the theater wouldn't allow him in the front door with that stuff.

That's the thing that will hang him in court. He knew what he was going to do was wrong, so he had plans to circumvent the theater from stopping him.

I doubt very much it is as simple as that. His defense might argue that THE VOICES told him to do what he did and that it was good and right for him to do it, even if local earthly authorities didn't share the same view.


the voices are never right.  like when my mom says "DONT use DRUGS" she actually means use em
 
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