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2013-05-08 11:31:38 AM  
4 votes:

Random Anonymous Blackmail: MelGoesOnTour


I'm so glad these folks were rescued. But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

I too have read about chains and ropes, but I also read in an article that one of the women was let out from time to time. I understand there might have been some mental manipulation or fear of revenge, but I have to agree, there are a few things that don't wrap up all nice and tidy.


It never ceases to amaze me that no matter how horrific a crime is, there are always a few people on Fark desperately looking for a way to assign blame to the victim, or at least to somehow excuse the behavior of the criminal.

What's going through your head here, exactly? You're thinking, what, maybe one or more of these women actually dug being chained in a basement and used as a sex slave for ten years? Maybe the women came from abusive families, and by chaining them up in a basement and using them as sex slaves for ten years these sick bastards were doing them some kind of favor? Maybe those teenage girls willingly chose to be chained up in a basement and used as sex slaves for ten years? Maybe those guys bought the girls from their parents fair and square?

Somehow, in your mind, these women MUST have deserved what happened to them because they didn't do what you imagine you would do in a situation you cannot possibly even begin to imagine. Is that what you think? Seriously? Or maybe you think the media is making a mountain out of a molehill, because come on, lots of women would probably like to be chained up in a basement as a sex slave for ten years?

What the fark is WRONG with you?
2013-05-08 11:09:20 AM  
4 votes:
I really wish you guys would get behind the convention of warning us when there's a farking auto-playing add on these links.  I'd like to keep this job that I pretend I'm doing while reading Fark all day.
2013-05-08 11:03:24 AM  
4 votes:

MelGoesOnTour: I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.


Yes, I wonder what on earth could possibly deter these women from just walking away whistling. I am sure the threats of torture and death of not only them, but perhaps even the little girl were never taken seriously. Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.
2013-05-08 11:08:20 AM  
3 votes:
CNN earlier aired some footage from a local affiliate of Amanda's first phone call to her grandmother.  They were in grandma's living room and obviously had her permission but I doubt they had Amanda's.  You could hear every word both sides said.  I found it really disgusting to invade on such a private moment..
2013-05-08 10:58:09 AM  
3 votes:
If you try to escape, I'll kill your daughter.

That's all it takes.
2013-05-08 10:42:24 AM  
3 votes:
Of course she's happy and eating popsicles. She's 6 and has NO CLUE what's been going on!

Watch Ramsay's interview with Anderson Cooper in the Video tab. She was crying out for her Dad while this chick was trying to escape.

This Amanda woman was raped for 10 years and had to lie for 6 of them EVERY SINGLE DAY to her kid about how things were fine so the kid could grow up well adjusted.

She's got more balls then I'll ever have in 100 lifetimes.
2013-05-08 12:22:08 PM  
2 votes:
ABC autoplay vids are obnoxious. Don't link to them.
2013-05-08 11:30:27 AM  
2 votes:

Random Anonymous Blackmail: MelGoesOnTour


I'm so glad these folks were rescued. But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

I too have read about chains and ropes, but I also read in an article that one of the women was let out from time to time. I understand there might have been some mental manipulation or fear of revenge, but I have to agree, there are a few things that don't wrap up all nice and tidy.


In a remarkably coincidental speech given one week ago, before these women were found, Elizabeth Smart discussed why some human trafficking victims don't run:
Smart said she "felt so dirty and so filthy" after she was raped by her captor, and she understands why someone wouldn't run "because of that alone."

Smart spoke at a Johns Hopkins human trafficking forum, saying she was raised in a religious household and recalled a school teacher who spoke once about abstinence and compared sex to chewing gum.

"I thought, 'Oh, my gosh, I'm that chewed up piece of gum, nobody re-chews a piece of gum, you throw it away.' And that's how easy it is to feel like you know longer have worth, you know longer have value," Smart said. "Why would it even be worth screaming out? Why would it even make a difference if you are rescued? Your life still has no value."
2013-05-08 11:18:49 AM  
2 votes:

starbuckisagirl: CNN earlier aired some footage from a local affiliate of Amanda's first phone call to her grandmother.  They were in grandma's living room and obviously had her permission but I doubt they had Amanda's.  You could hear every word both sides said.  I found it really disgusting to invade on such a private moment..


There is a really strange aspect of our society where anyone who is a victim of a tragedy is fair game to have their most private and painful moments made available for public consumption and rubber-necking without second thought, and it's really odd to me.   It really struck me during the Boston bombing how people had no qualms looking  the mangled bodies of victims.   And I'm not talking about people driven by reptilian minds in the dark recesses of teh intrawebbings, but the friggin Associated Press releasing photos of people in the most tragic, destructive and painful moments of their lives.     People got all up in a tizzy about 4Chan or Reddit invading privacy by posting photos of the crowd before the bombing looking for possible suspects, but had absolutely no qualms with analyzing the look on an innocent victim's victims face at the moment he realized his legs were blown off.
2013-05-08 11:12:53 AM  
2 votes:

MindStalker: Endive Wombat: I would not want to be their public defender.

Meh, a public defender only has to do what is in the best interest of their client. They don't have to like their client, they don't even have to try to get him out of punishment. The best interest of these guys is to spend life in a mental ward. Showing they are insane shouldn't be hard.


I have serious doubts that they could establish an insanity defense for someone who engaged in his crime -- and kept it hidden -- for more than a decade.  These guys were evil, not insane.  I'd be absolutely shocked if they could successfully plead insanity.
2013-05-08 11:10:01 AM  
2 votes:

MelGoesOnTour: I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.


Turns out that a decade of torture, rape, threats, mental conditioning, might change how you see the world and what you think you can do.
2013-05-08 10:59:02 AM  
2 votes:

ReverendJasen: FTA: "It's a good possibility one of them is [the father]," Tomba said.

Are they stupid?  Unless she gave birth to a reincarnated female Jesus, it's approximately a 100% possibility one of these three cocksuckers is the father.  She didn't leave captivity for 10 years.


I think the point that they're making is that at this time it is difficult to know for sure if these three particular scumbags are the only scumbags who had contact with these girls.  I'm sure they're aware of the horrifying possibility that these three scumbags actually allowed others to rape these girls.

Just an awful, awful story, with so many truly horrifying details and possibilities.
2013-05-08 10:52:08 AM  
2 votes:
Fark yuu and your autostarting videos.
2013-05-08 09:28:10 AM  
2 votes:
That the phrase "born in captivity" can ever be applied to a human is obscene.  These 3 brothers deserve to be sent to North Korea.
2013-05-08 02:22:34 PM  
1 votes:

Jim from Saint Paul: Of course she's happy and eating popsicles. She's 6 and has NO CLUE what's been going on!

Watch Ramsay's interview with Anderson Cooper in the Video tab. She was crying out for her Dad while this chick was trying to escape.

This Amanda woman was raped for 10 years and had to lie for 6 of them EVERY SINGLE DAY to her kid about how things were fine so the kid could grow up well adjusted.

She's got more balls then I'll ever have in 100 lifetimes.


unrealitymag.com
2013-05-08 02:01:25 PM  
1 votes:

durbnpoisn: muwaryer: durbnpoisn: You know what I'm really confused about?  And this really stems from all the cases we've heard of lately where someone has been kept captive for years on end...

Who is funding this?  It costs quite a lot to feed and house a single person on a single salary.  How do you manage 3 captives on top of that.  Hoe do you manage a baby on top of THAT?!  We're talking food, clothes, utility expenses, etc...  And this guy was a bus driver.  And he got fired last year after multiple suspensions.

Something is seriously missing from this picture.

//Well...  Lots of things.  That's just one.

Well, you've got to figure that he's got the house he paid $12,000 for in the early 90s.  If he even has a mortgage on that house, it's probably minimal and he'd be paying that (and utilities) anyway.  Beyond that, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that these girls didn't have a particularly extravagant lifestyle.


Ok, I'll give you a point for the humor...  But there is still a lot that seems to be left off the ledger.  Especially if there are really more than 1 kid.  Like...  How does this guy go shopping for all these people?  Feminine hygene products, baby food, clothes...  And NO ONE asks any questions?  We can only imagine he either sent his brothers out for the shopping, or he went across the lake to Canada.  And still, my point is, it still adds up to a lot of money, even if he isn't paying a mortgage.  Far more than a school bus driver in Cleveland is making.


I understand your point, but I also think that you're making some assumptions about their lifestyle.  Understand that I readily admit that I also am making assumptions and have no idea of the specifics.  Yes, it would cost something.  However, it's quite possible that they really did live a purely subsistence life-style (I wasn't  entirely going for humor in the post above).  If you calculate living expenses with the assumptions of someone who cares about those he is supporting (good food, clean clothes, good hygiene, etc.), yes, it would be expensive.  But for all we know they got new clothes once a year, and even then it was from a thrift store.  Their food may have been just barely adequate to keep them alive and functioning.  Honestly, I'm not sure it would cost all that much to merely keep someone alive but living in squalor.

And I'm not sure I want to think too much about how me might have earned some extra income to help pay his expenses.
2013-05-08 01:14:05 PM  
1 votes:

Citrate1007: So in 10 years it never occurred to any of them to scream?  Seems like the neighbor wasn't that far away.


So what's your hypothesis, then? That they collectively decided that they were having the ultimate getaway so why screw it up? Seriously, let us know where you're trying to take this line of thought. I'm sure that it will be entirely fascinating to the rest of us.
2013-05-08 01:10:56 PM  
1 votes:

nekom: MelGoesOnTour: I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

One article does mention chains.  It's also quite likely that he had a fortified dungeon of some sort.  He may well also have deployed mind control techniques, threatening to kill their family or things of that nature.


I read another article that detailed how the men would pretend to have left the girls alone and then torture them for any attempt at escape. Also they were beaten to miscarry their pregnancies. We can't even imagine what these girls went through.
2013-05-08 12:56:27 PM  
1 votes:

tuna fingers: IRQ12: tuna fingers: Tsar_Bomba1: vudutek: Speaking of privacy, I wonder if they got Tarnaev buried while the media has been distracted? If not, they missed a perfect opportunity.

Funny you should mention that: USAF vet wants dead Boston jihadi bomber buried in her National Cemetery burial plot

I've been having a problem with this certain viral fb pic.   [i.imgur.com image 402x426]
We are better people than this.  We bury our dead honorably... or better stated, we the living act honorably when dealing with the dead, no matter who they are.

Burying people is stupid.

Fair enough.  We shall act with grace when tending to our dead, no matter who they are.


Agreed.
2013-05-08 12:40:59 PM  
1 votes:

Tsar_Bomba1: vudutek: Speaking of privacy, I wonder if they got Tarnaev buried while the media has been distracted? If not, they missed a perfect opportunity.

Funny you should mention that: USAF vet wants dead Boston jihadi bomber buried in her National Cemetery burial plot


I've been having a problem with this certain viral fb pic.   i.imgur.com
We are better people than this.  We bury our dead honorably... or better stated, we the living act honorably when dealing with the dead, no matter who they are.
2013-05-08 12:24:13 PM  
1 votes:

doubled99: It never ceases to amaze me that no matter how horrific a crime is, there are always a few people on Fark desperately looking for a way to assign blame to the victim, or at least to somehow excuse the behavior of the criminal.


Yeah, me too! I sure hate it when anyone has an opinion contrary to what everyone believed immediately and  ran with.


OK, I'll bite. What alternative explanations can YOU come up with for this story? I don't want to hear "something just doesn't add up," I want to hear what it is that doesn't add up and what explanations come to YOUR mind to explain whatever that is.
2013-05-08 12:01:44 PM  
1 votes:

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Lollipop165

Um, they were in chains. Or at least, chains were found in the basement.

I have a chain in my garage, it was there when I got there, it means nothing.


Except for the fact that 3 women who have been missing for 10 years claim that they were shackled in the house. Yeah, then I'd say it means something.
2013-05-08 12:01:10 PM  
1 votes:
inclemency:
I think it is important to note that, despite what is almost certainly a horrific decade, these women are still young and can have a life (hopefully, and likely with LOTS of therapy). I was discussing this with my partner last night and we agreed: we are against capital punishment for murder (singular and unplanned), but these three gentlemen appear to require torture AND THEN execution. Keeping somebody in purgatory for a decade is a special kind of evil. It's good that law Isn't subjective, but it's tempting to imagine excepting certain people.

Oh my yes it's tempting, which is exactly why the law should not be based on emotions (like my North Korea idea, which was not a serious suggestion of course), but rather the facts of each case.  It should all be clinical.  They will receive a fair trial, should be a pretty slam dunk case, and they will be sentenced to live in a cage forever, that's good enough.  They have certainly forfeited their right to ever live among us again.

And yes, it would be hard to call this story in any way good, but at least they have a shot at making a life now.  I hope there's some assets to seize from the 3 brothers to help pay for all the therapy they will need, but they are alive and free now, that's better than finding them dead.
2013-05-08 12:00:49 PM  
1 votes:
gglibertine


Random Anonymous Blackmail: May I be wrong, yes. May i be right, yes. The fact is you don't know, but much like you I have an opinion, and in my opinion something does not add up.

You didn't answer my question. I repeat, what the fark is wrong with you?


So because I don't share your opinion there is something wrong with me?

/fall into line citizen.
2013-05-08 11:55:57 AM  
1 votes:

Random Anonymous Blackmail: gglibertine


Random Anonymous Blackmail: MelGoesOnTour


It never ceases to amaze me that no matter how horrific a crime is, there are always a few people on Fark desperately looking for a way to assign blame to the victim, or at least to somehow excuse the behavior of the criminal.

Did I say I was blaming the victim, No I did not. Did I say that I was excusing a criminal for their behavior, no. You have heard the rule of assumptions, please be respectful of that. It is funny of all the intelligent people on FARK, so many of them are willing run frantically for their pitchforks and torches because the media is great at smacking the bees nest and watch the lemmings fall into line.

May I be wrong, yes. May i be right, yes. The fact is you don't know, but much like you I have an opinion, and in my opinion something does not add up.


I'll take the frantic 911 caller word for it when she's suggesting she's been kidnapped and raped.

Hey, call me a sap. I can take the heat.
2013-05-08 11:52:57 AM  
1 votes:

Random Anonymous Blackmail: May I be wrong, yes. May i be right, yes. The fact is you don't know, but much like you I have an opinion, and in my opinion something does not add up.


You didn't answer my question. I repeat, what the fark is wrong with you?
2013-05-08 11:38:31 AM  
1 votes:
One thing I ask everyone to do is when a Amber Alert goes out, share it as soon as you can, via Facebook, Tweet, text, whatever. The sooner the public gets this information and the more vigilant they are the chances of recovering the person is much greater.

Just this past weekend, there was a kid in my area that was kidnapped, the Amber Alert went out immediately and may be the reason they found him alive. The monster harmed him but spared his life.

Another thing parents should be aware of is Code Adam. If you are in a department store and your child is missing, don't mess around. Tell an employee, they are supposed to be trained to shut the store down, and don't allow anyone in or out.
Your best bet is to head to the nearest exit and look around outside.

Non parents can help out too. Don't just sit there and watch the show, you may actually save a child by being proactive.

I once helped reunite a child to his family at the beach. I saw a mother crying hysterically that her boy was missing, and the father was trying to calm her, he seemed to be in shock. I had to do something so I ran down the boardwalk. I figured the kid is in the ocean, on the beach, or someone is abducting him. I found him about an 1/8 of a mile down in the sand. I'm sure he probably would have made it back but to them eventually but no one knew that at that time. It was a good feeling to help them, they were very grateful and I would hope someone would do that for my kid, if so needed.
2013-05-08 11:34:20 AM  
1 votes:

Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story


I'm going to break character for a minute here.
I don't know you from Adam.

If you are serious, please don't turn to Fark for help. Fark is great for feel-good stories, but there isn't the same urgency here that there is on other sites. If you want any help at all, I'd recommend Reddit.

The overlap of users between Fark and Reddit is significant. I ask any Reddit users who are active here to spread this story to Reddit as well. This means there may need to be additional details provided (such as you provided later in this thread). A picture and age would also be very important.

The status of your husband's child may never be fully known, but engaging Farkers to find her is not going to help. Reddit, and (oh god) 4chan are where actual action will occur.

May God bless you, your husband, his daughter, and her mother.
2013-05-08 11:33:23 AM  
1 votes:

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I know exactly what Stockholm Syndrome is. There is no reason to assume I lack this knowledge because I am not ready to accept only one side of the story being fed to us by the media when the police have released few details.
Gather information,think for yourself and then make a conclusion before jumping to them.


i.imgur.com
2013-05-08 11:31:56 AM  
1 votes:
I know the media and the public "Have to Know", but why can't we just leave these poor victims alone?  If it were me, I would want to be out of the spotlight and take time to recover from this nightmare.  We should just leave them alone and let them tell us about it when (and if) they are ready too.
2013-05-08 11:13:05 AM  
1 votes:

Random Anonymous Blackmail: MelGoesOnTour


I'm so glad these folks were rescued. But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

I too have read about chains and ropes, but I also read in an article that one of the women was let out from time to time. I understand there might have been some mental manipulation or fear of revenge, but I have to agree, there are a few things that don't wrap up all nice and tidy.


Seriously?  Look up Stockholm Syndrome.  Get back to us once you've informed yourself.
2013-05-08 11:08:26 AM  
1 votes:

Krieghund: Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story

I'm sorry too.

Maybe local news would be interested in running another piece because of this story.


Her name is Leanne Marie Hausberg, FWIW. And I hope they do run another piece about her. I know that Bo Dietl was supposed to get involved. But nothing yet.
2013-05-08 11:07:43 AM  
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Survivor?
Nobody got killed, subby.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/survivor

3. a person who continues to function or prosper in spite of opposition, hardship, or setbacks.

/dictionaries, how do they work?
2013-05-08 11:07:30 AM  
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Survivor?
Nobody got killed, subby.


I'd give it a few days/weeks before stating that so confidently...and that's if you don't even consider early reports that this little girl is just one of multiple babies that were conceived in this hell hole.
2013-05-08 11:07:20 AM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story

You're going to bring out the worst in humanity in this thread now.


there are people like that on fark, but making fun of abducted or abused children doesn't inspire me to troll.

this time, anyway.

/ my wife rolled her eyes when I mentioned the Sierra Lamar case, and how her family might have a little more hope today.
2013-05-08 10:49:51 AM  
1 votes:
When the police (finally) came to rescue the girls, the children sere screaming for their daddy.

The kids are farked.  The kidnap victims are farked.  The only people not farked is the kidnappers because they will serve less time in jail than their victims.  They should be on the court house porch being burned at the stake.  But that would shatter the illusion of civility we have created.
2013-05-08 10:43:59 AM  
1 votes:
Wow... now my kid is gonna feel so deprived. I didn't shove any popsicles up there for him to eat.
2013-05-08 10:35:40 AM  
1 votes:
How'd her mom get the popsicles up there?
2013-05-08 09:18:52 AM  
1 votes:
Born in captivity sounds a little too much like zoo animal. There has to be a better way to say that.
2013-05-08 08:41:23 AM  
1 votes:
Speaking of privacy, I wonder if they got Tarnaev buried while the media has been distracted? If not, they missed a perfect opportunity.
2013-05-08 08:37:10 AM  
1 votes:
Is it weird that they didn't blur out her face? Everyone has been blurring out her face, why not now? Thought it was a privacy issue?
 
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