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2013-05-08 08:37:10 AM
Is it weird that they didn't blur out her face? Everyone has been blurring out her face, why not now? Thought it was a privacy issue?
 
2013-05-08 08:41:23 AM
Speaking of privacy, I wonder if they got Tarnaev buried while the media has been distracted? If not, they missed a perfect opportunity.
 
2013-05-08 08:43:49 AM
How long before somebody slow shout talks to her like she's a caveman.

"HELLO! WELCOME. TO. AMERICA. WE. LOOKING. FOR. YOU. LONG. TIME."
 
2013-05-08 09:05:38 AM

Mangoose: Is it weird that they didn't blur out her face? Everyone has been blurring out her face, why not now? Thought it was a privacy issue?


Maybe the mother decided that it was ok for them to show the young ones face.
 
2013-05-08 09:18:52 AM
Born in captivity sounds a little too much like zoo animal. There has to be a better way to say that.
 
2013-05-08 09:23:21 AM
I know there will be a book or three telling the horrors of the rape basement...and I cannot wait to read about it.

I am fascinated  (and sickened) by how someone can try and justify keeping sex slaves for 10+ years locked away like that...blows my mind...

If their trial gets aired, it ought to be interesting.  I am going to suspect that they may plead insanity because "I am a sadistic, evil cock, please show me mercy" will not bode well with the jury.  Everyone deserves a fair trial, but damn...I would not want to be their public defender.
 
2013-05-08 09:28:10 AM
That the phrase "born in captivity" can ever be applied to a human is obscene.  These 3 brothers deserve to be sent to North Korea.
 
2013-05-08 09:32:16 AM

Endive Wombat: I know there will be a book or three telling the horrors of the rape basement...and I cannot wait to read about it.

I am fascinated  (and sickened) by how someone can try and justify keeping sex slaves for 10+ years locked away like that...blows my mind...

If their trial gets aired, it ought to be interesting.  I am going to suspect that they may plead insanity because "I am a sadistic, evil cock, please show me mercy" will not bode well with the jury.  Everyone deserves a fair trial, but damn...I would not want to be their public defender.


It's been done

The Room
 
2013-05-08 10:14:56 AM

nekom: That the phrase "born in captivity" can ever be applied to a human is obscene.  These 3 brothers deserve to be sent to North Korea.


Hmmm, NK could take our worst prisoners and do what they do best all while while earning some much needed cash. Sounds win/win.
 
2013-05-08 10:15:28 AM
What flavor!?

There will be lots of time to ask them questions, they should be left alone to reunited with their lives.
 
2013-05-08 10:23:00 AM

nekom: That the phrase "born in captivity" can ever be applied to a human is obscene.  These 3 brothers deserve to be sent to North Korea.


on a plate, next to the potatoes
 
2013-05-08 10:28:19 AM
My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story
 
2013-05-08 10:29:18 AM

Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story


Does she have an entry on either the Doe Network or Charley Project?
 
2013-05-08 10:34:19 AM

Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story


You're going to bring out the worst in humanity in this thread now.
 
2013-05-08 10:34:21 AM
But does she think Benghazi is a scandal, yet?  Is she a Belieber?

I'm sure the toolbeats at TMZ will find some way to report on this.
 
2013-05-08 10:35:40 AM
How'd her mom get the popsicles up there?
 
2013-05-08 10:35:51 AM
Well if she was born in captivity eating popsicles it couldn't have been all bad.....
 
2013-05-08 10:36:41 AM
nekom: That the phrase "born in captivity" can ever be applied to a human is obscene.  These 3 brothers deserve to be sent to North Korea.

Send them to Somalia, those pirates love white boys.
 
2013-05-08 10:36:48 AM
Who eats popsicles?  This country has gone to hell.
 
2013-05-08 10:37:09 AM

Robert1966: How'd her mom get the popsicles up there?


She learned it from your mom, Robert.  She learned it from her.
 
2013-05-08 10:39:28 AM

Endive Wombat: I know there will be a book or three telling the horrors of the rape basement...and I cannot wait to read about it.


Why don't you have a seat over there?
 
2013-05-08 10:39:28 AM
Are you suggesting that I was born in the wild?
 
2013-05-08 10:39:30 AM

Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story


I am so sorry.
 
2013-05-08 10:40:08 AM

Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story


I'm sure she's on all the sites. A local NYC newscast did a piece on her a few months back after another big case of someone missing returned. It just brings it all up. Especially with Mother's Day coming up. Her mother still doesn't handle it well. Obviously.
 
2013-05-08 10:41:40 AM
Grumpy Cat:
I'm sure she's on all the sites. A local NYC newscast did a piece on her a few months back after another big case of someone missing returned. It just brings it all up. Especially with Mother's Day coming up. Her mother still doesn't handle it well. Obviously.

How could anyone handle a thing like that well?  I have a daughter, I have no idea what I'd do and honestly don't even want to think about it.  Best of luck to you, here's hoping for a happy ending somehow.
 
2013-05-08 10:42:24 AM
Of course she's happy and eating popsicles. She's 6 and has NO CLUE what's been going on!

Watch Ramsay's interview with Anderson Cooper in the Video tab. She was crying out for her Dad while this chick was trying to escape.

This Amanda woman was raped for 10 years and had to lie for 6 of them EVERY SINGLE DAY to her kid about how things were fine so the kid could grow up well adjusted.

She's got more balls then I'll ever have in 100 lifetimes.
 
2013-05-08 10:43:59 AM
Wow... now my kid is gonna feel so deprived. I didn't shove any popsicles up there for him to eat.
 
2013-05-08 10:44:19 AM

Graffito: Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story

I am so sorry.


Thanks,  Graffito.
 
2013-05-08 10:44:27 AM

EvilEgg: Endive Wombat: I know there will be a book or three telling the horrors of the rape basement...and I cannot wait to read about it.

I am fascinated  (and sickened) by how someone can try and justify keeping sex slaves for 10+ years locked away like that...blows my mind...

If their trial gets aired, it ought to be interesting.  I am going to suspect that they may plead insanity because "I am a sadistic, evil cock, please show me mercy" will not bode well with the jury.  Everyone deserves a fair trial, but damn...I would not want to be their public defender.

It's been done

The Room



blog.timesunion.com
 
2013-05-08 10:46:05 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-08 10:48:17 AM
That's a pretty talented baby popping out with a popsicle in hand.  Wonder how the mom felt about that popsicle?
 
2013-05-08 10:48:28 AM

Mangoose: Is it weird that they didn't blur out her face? Everyone has been blurring out her face, why not now? Thought it was a privacy issue?


Hopefully the end result is they get flooded with donations and gifts from around the country so that they never have to live another uncomfortable day in their entire lives.
 
2013-05-08 10:48:46 AM
I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.
 
2013-05-08 10:49:45 AM
www.floridawhammy.com

Hot damn! It's back, and no one told me.
 
2013-05-08 10:49:51 AM
When the police (finally) came to rescue the girls, the children sere screaming for their daddy.

The kids are farked.  The kidnap victims are farked.  The only people not farked is the kidnappers because they will serve less time in jail than their victims.  They should be on the court house porch being burned at the stake.  But that would shatter the illusion of civility we have created.
 
2013-05-08 10:50:02 AM

MelGoesOnTour: I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.


One article does mention chains.  It's also quite likely that he had a fortified dungeon of some sort.  He may well also have deployed mind control techniques, threatening to kill their family or things of that nature.
 
2013-05-08 10:50:09 AM

Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story


I grew up across the street from my cousin who was two years older than me, we were as close as brothers.  When he turned 18 he decided to do some hiking and see the country - he had previously done wilderness school and outward bound.  A week later he called to say he was at the grand canyon and that is the last anyone ever heard or saw of him.

The not knowing and not being able to have closure is the hardest part.  I still slow down for hitchhikers or people walking on the street just to look and see if it is him.  The dreams have slowed in the past 31 years but I still have the occasional dream he is back.
 
2013-05-08 10:50:54 AM

Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story


Best wishes to you and your husband.
 
2013-05-08 10:51:09 AM

Robert1966: How'd her mom get the popsicles up there?


The popsicles eat captivity. That's how they exscaped.
 
2013-05-08 10:51:55 AM

nekom: Grumpy Cat:
I'm sure she's on all the sites. A local NYC newscast did a piece on her a few months back after another big case of someone missing returned. It just brings it all up. Especially with Mother's Day coming up. Her mother still doesn't handle it well. Obviously.

How could anyone handle a thing like that well?  I have a daughter, I have no idea what I'd do and honestly don't even want to think about it.  Best of luck to you, here's hoping for a happy ending somehow.


Thanks,  nekom.I just don't know what to think about her case. They get leads, and then nothing happens. She's been missing since the age of 15. Perfect age to be forced into something awful. Ugh. Or she's dead.
 
2013-05-08 10:52:08 AM
Fark yuu and your autostarting videos.
 
2013-05-08 10:52:49 AM
These three guys are another good reason to bring back public hangings.
 
2013-05-08 10:53:29 AM

EvilEgg: Endive Wombat: I know there will be a book or three telling the horrors of the rape basement...and I cannot wait to read about it.

I am fascinated  (and sickened) by how someone can try and justify keeping sex slaves for 10+ years locked away like that...blows my mind...

If their trial gets aired, it ought to be interesting.  I am going to suspect that they may plead insanity because "I am a sadistic, evil cock, please show me mercy" will not bode well with the jury.  Everyone deserves a fair trial, but damn...I would not want to be their public defender.

It's been done

The Room


THIS THREAD IS TEARING ME APART!!!
 
2013-05-08 10:54:17 AM
FTA: "It's a good possibility one of them is [the father]," Tomba said.

Are they stupid?  Unless she gave birth to a reincarnated female Jesus, it's approximately a 100% possibility one of these three cocksuckers is the father.  She didn't leave captivity for 10 years.
 
2013-05-08 10:55:52 AM

Cheron: Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story

I grew up across the street from my cousin who was two years older than me, we were as close as brothers.  When he turned 18 he decided to do some hiking and see the country - he had previously done wilderness school and outward bound.  A week later he called to say he was at the grand canyon and that is the last anyone ever heard or saw of him.

The not knowing and not being able to have closure is the hardest part.  I still slow down for hitchhikers or people walking on the street just to look and see if it is him.  The dreams have slowed in the past 31 years but I still have the occasional dream he is back.




Wow. Thirty-one years. I am so sorry for this. I agree the not knowing is the worst. I want closure for his family, my family.
 
2013-05-08 10:56:16 AM
Will they keep her quarantined until she gets her government shots?

Who is going to get sued for this?
 
2013-05-08 10:56:20 AM

cig-mkr: These three guys are another good reason to bring back public hangings.


I don't know, there's some poetic justice in the knowledge that they will now be housed in a cage. Forever. Seriously, this is EASILY aggravated kidnapping and aggravated rape and lord knows what other charges they can stack, and absolutely NO mitigation whatsoever. This is 3 consecutive life sentence territory. Let them live a long and MISERABLE existence, while their victims can now at least have something of a life. Oh and unlike the victims, there is NO hope of reprieve, NO chance of escape. They will be condemned. Abandon hope.
 
2013-05-08 10:57:11 AM
MelGoesOnTour


I'm so glad these folks were rescued. But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.


I too have read about chains and ropes, but I also read in an article that one of the women was let out from time to time. I understand there might have been some mental manipulation or fear of revenge, but I have to agree, there are a few things that don't wrap up all nice and tidy.
 
2013-05-08 10:57:22 AM

Musikslayer: Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story

Best wishes to you and your husband.


Thanks, Musikslayer.
 
2013-05-08 10:58:02 AM
Better yet, the actual movie quote from No Escape

This place will now be your holding pen until your death. Because death is the only way out. There is no chance of reprieve here, No possibility of escape. You are condemned. Either accept it... Or die...
 
2013-05-08 10:58:09 AM
If you try to escape, I'll kill your daughter.

That's all it takes.
 
2013-05-08 10:58:40 AM

Grumpy Cat: Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story

I'm sure she's on all the sites. A local NYC newscast did a piece on her a few months back after another big case of someone missing returned. It just brings it all up. Especially with Mother's Day coming up. Her mother still doesn't handle it well. Obviously.


I hope your husband (and all involved) gets the closure he desperately needs.  Whether happy or sad, closure is an important thing.  I know words on the internet aren't worth much, but I'm sorry for your situation.  Best of luck.
 
2013-05-08 10:59:02 AM

ReverendJasen: FTA: "It's a good possibility one of them is [the father]," Tomba said.

Are they stupid?  Unless she gave birth to a reincarnated female Jesus, it's approximately a 100% possibility one of these three cocksuckers is the father.  She didn't leave captivity for 10 years.


I think the point that they're making is that at this time it is difficult to know for sure if these three particular scumbags are the only scumbags who had contact with these girls.  I'm sure they're aware of the horrifying possibility that these three scumbags actually allowed others to rape these girls.

Just an awful, awful story, with so many truly horrifying details and possibilities.
 
Byn
2013-05-08 10:59:50 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: If you try to escape, I'll kill your daughter.

That's all it takes.


Yep. That's about it.
 
2013-05-08 11:01:37 AM

Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story


I'm sorry too.

Maybe local news would be interested in running another piece because of this story.
 
2013-05-08 11:02:05 AM

Donnchadha: How long before somebody slow shout talks to her like she's a caveman.

"HELLO! WELCOME. TO. AMERICA. WE. LOOKING. FOR. YOU. LONG. TIME."


No problem, she'll become a lawyer:

"When I see a solar eclipse, like the one I went to last year in Hawaii, I think 'Oh no! Is the moon eating the sun?' I don't know. Because I grew up in a basement in Cleveland--that's the way I think. But one thing I do know is that my client is due compensation for the pain and suffering caused by his neighbor's violation of the terms of the HOA agreement with that basketball hoop over the garage."
 
2013-05-08 11:02:20 AM

HatMadeOfAss: Grumpy Cat: Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story

I'm sure she's on all the sites. A local NYC newscast did a piece on her a few months back after another big case of someone missing returned. It just brings it all up. Especially with Mother's Day coming up. Her mother still doesn't handle it well. Obviously.

I hope your husband (and all involved) gets the closure he desperately needs.  Whether happy or sad, closure is an important thing.  I know words on the internet aren't worth much, but I'm sorry for your situation.  Best of luck.


Thank you. It's been a sad journey for them. I hope closure comes soon. And I appreciate your kind words.
 
2013-05-08 11:03:24 AM

MelGoesOnTour: I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.


Yes, I wonder what on earth could possibly deter these women from just walking away whistling. I am sure the threats of torture and death of not only them, but perhaps even the little girl were never taken seriously. Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.
 
2013-05-08 11:04:25 AM
Survivor?
Nobody got killed, subby.
 
2013-05-08 11:05:40 AM
So in 10 years it never occurred to any of them to scream?  Seems like the neighbor wasn't that far away.
 
2013-05-08 11:06:37 AM
"Tomba said investigators were working to determine if the girl had ever left the house, but said she likely would have gone unnoticed by police who were not looking for a child."

They apparently weren't looking for the teens/adults much either.


"On Monday evening, Berry began screaming from behind the locked front door of the home where she and the other women were being held. Neighbors heard her and held kick open the door and then called police, ending what one FBI agent called the women's "nightmare. " "

I'm really curious about the conditions these women were held in.  Was it a locked, sound-proof bunker where they were never allowed to leave?  Was it a fairly normal house, but the women feared for their lives about trying to escape?  Was at least one of the brothers always present, 24 hours a day, every day?...  It's fascinating that it took this long for one of captives to shout for help, so there must have been some sort of barrier, whether physical or mental.
 
2013-05-08 11:07:20 AM

hardinparamedic: Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story

You're going to bring out the worst in humanity in this thread now.


there are people like that on fark, but making fun of abducted or abused children doesn't inspire me to troll.

this time, anyway.

/ my wife rolled her eyes when I mentioned the Sierra Lamar case, and how her family might have a little more hope today.
 
2013-05-08 11:07:30 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Survivor?
Nobody got killed, subby.


I'd give it a few days/weeks before stating that so confidently...and that's if you don't even consider early reports that this little girl is just one of multiple babies that were conceived in this hell hole.
 
2013-05-08 11:07:36 AM

nekom: These 3 brothers deserve to be sent to North Korea.


I think this is something you should bring up to your congressman. I think it would be quite suitable for a lot of these farktards to be dropped off in the hills of NK. No one is going to ask for them to be released. Ever.
 
2013-05-08 11:07:43 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Survivor?
Nobody got killed, subby.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/survivor

3. a person who continues to function or prosper in spite of opposition, hardship, or setbacks.

/dictionaries, how do they work?
 
2013-05-08 11:08:20 AM
CNN earlier aired some footage from a local affiliate of Amanda's first phone call to her grandmother.  They were in grandma's living room and obviously had her permission but I doubt they had Amanda's.  You could hear every word both sides said.  I found it really disgusting to invade on such a private moment..
 
2013-05-08 11:08:26 AM

Krieghund: Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story

I'm sorry too.

Maybe local news would be interested in running another piece because of this story.


Her name is Leanne Marie Hausberg, FWIW. And I hope they do run another piece about her. I know that Bo Dietl was supposed to get involved. But nothing yet.
 
2013-05-08 11:08:51 AM

Stan Lee's Ghost: Fark yuu and your autostarting videos.

 
2013-05-08 11:09:13 AM

Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story


So, sorry to hear that. Let's just hope she is lost because she has no way to find her family and some other generous family is raising her with care.
 
2013-05-08 11:09:20 AM
I really wish you guys would get behind the convention of warning us when there's a farking auto-playing add on these links.  I'd like to keep this job that I pretend I'm doing while reading Fark all day.
 
2013-05-08 11:09:45 AM

Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story


Best of wishes to you and your husband, and to the girl's mother as well.
 
2013-05-08 11:10:01 AM

MelGoesOnTour: I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.


Turns out that a decade of torture, rape, threats, mental conditioning, might change how you see the world and what you think you can do.
 
2013-05-08 11:10:31 AM

Endive Wombat: I would not want to be their public defender.


Meh, a public defender only has to do what is in the best interest of their client. They don't have to like their client, they don't even have to try to get him out of punishment. The best interest of these guys is to spend life in a mental ward. Showing they are insane shouldn't be hard.
 
2013-05-08 11:10:42 AM
"it's OK to suck on something"
"no need to get the LAW involved"
 
2013-05-08 11:10:56 AM

al-Mundane: I really wish you guys would get behind the convention of warning us when there's a farking auto-playing add on these links.  I'd like to keep this job that I pretend I'm doing while reading Fark all day.


Sorry that we are making your laziness and slacking off at work more difficult.

/not subby
 
2013-05-08 11:11:04 AM

99.998er: MelGoesOnTour: I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

Yes, I wonder what on earth could possibly deter these women from just walking away whistling. I am sure the threats of torture and death of not only them, but perhaps even the little girl were never taken seriously. Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.


0/10 for trolling

10/10 for sarcasm

70/200 for MelGoesOnTour's IQ
 
2013-05-08 11:11:09 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Survivor?
Nobody got killed, subby.


Semantics.  It's the same reason we call POWs survivors.  Physical death isn't the only kind of situation one survives from.  Mental abuse and torture can be harrowing situations, and those that escape can rightfully say they survived.

Sir Mirriam and Mr. Weber perhaps have explained it best:

sur·vived sur·viv·ing

intransitive verb
1: to remain alive or in existence : live on
2: to continue to function or prosper

transitive verb
1: to remain alive after the death of <he is survived by his wife>
2: to continue to exist or live after <survived the earthquake>
3: to continue to function or prosper despite : <they survived many hardships>
 
2013-05-08 11:11:13 AM
Why the fark was subby's drivel greenlit?
 
2013-05-08 11:11:41 AM
She has a nice tan.
 
2013-05-08 11:11:47 AM
"and look, it was just Five Miles Away that..."

wtf lol

cleveland: 5107 pop per square mile, 5 mile radius, 78 square miles...

only one suspect in four hundred thousand people... nooo... someone should have been able to pick him out instantly or something!

gods, why is news SO farkING STUPID?!?
 
2013-05-08 11:11:54 AM

99.998er: MelGoesOnTour: I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

Yes, I wonder what on earth could possibly deter these women from just walking away whistling. I am sure the threats of torture and death of not only them, but perhaps even the little girl were never taken seriously. Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.


Don't be an asshole.
 
2013-05-08 11:11:59 AM

HatMadeOfAss: Grumpy Cat: Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story

I'm sure she's on all the sites. A local NYC newscast did a piece on her a few months back after another big case of someone missing returned. It just brings it all up. Especially with Mother's Day coming up. Her mother still doesn't handle it well. Obviously.

I hope your husband (and all involved) gets the closure he desperately needs.  Whether happy or sad, closure is an important thing.  I know words on the internet aren't worth much, but I'm sorry for your situation.  Best of luck.


He should visit a psychic, I hear this woman has a knack for it, and a great track record:
www.hawaiireporter.com
 
2013-05-08 11:12:21 AM

al-Mundane: I really wish you guys would get behind the convention of warning us when there's a farking auto-playing add on these links.  I'd like to keep this job that I pretend I'm doing while reading Fark all day.


I don't always read fark at work, but when I do, I use my smart phone. with the farking volume turned off.

/ most uninteresting man in the world
 
2013-05-08 11:12:53 AM

MindStalker: Endive Wombat: I would not want to be their public defender.

Meh, a public defender only has to do what is in the best interest of their client. They don't have to like their client, they don't even have to try to get him out of punishment. The best interest of these guys is to spend life in a mental ward. Showing they are insane shouldn't be hard.


I have serious doubts that they could establish an insanity defense for someone who engaged in his crime -- and kept it hidden -- for more than a decade.  These guys were evil, not insane.  I'd be absolutely shocked if they could successfully plead insanity.
 
2013-05-08 11:13:05 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: MelGoesOnTour


I'm so glad these folks were rescued. But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

I too have read about chains and ropes, but I also read in an article that one of the women was let out from time to time. I understand there might have been some mental manipulation or fear of revenge, but I have to agree, there are a few things that don't wrap up all nice and tidy.


Seriously?  Look up Stockholm Syndrome.  Get back to us once you've informed yourself.
 
2013-05-08 11:13:40 AM

HatMadeOfAss: HotIgneous Intruder: Survivor?
Nobody got killed, subby.

Semantics.  It's the same reason we call POWs survivors.  Physical death isn't the only kind of situation one survives from.  Mental abuse and torture can be harrowing situations, and those that escape can rightfully say they survived.

Sir Mirriam and Mr. Weber perhaps have explained it best:

sur·vived sur·viv·ing

intransitive verb
1: to remain alive or in existence : live on
2: to continue to function or prosper

transitive verb
1: to remain alive after the death of <he is survived by his wife>
2: to continue to exist or live after <survived the earthquake>
3: to continue to function or prosper despite : <they survived many hardships>


tl:DR

/mine was simpler and more direct
//AND FIRST!
///HAH!!!!!!
 
2013-05-08 11:13:53 AM
Editing...  as bad as the story is, and as good as the ending is, I'm now picturing a baby popping out of the womb with a popsicle in her mouth.
 
2013-05-08 11:14:47 AM

mayIFark: Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story

So, sorry to hear that. Let's just hope she is lost because she has no way to find her family and some other generous family is raising her with care.


Thanks,  maylFark.
 
2013-05-08 11:18:39 AM

Endive Wombat: I am fascinated (and sickened) by how someone can try and justify keeping sex slaves for 10+ years locked away like that...blows my mind...


Once you've had a sex slave in your basement for a few months, you can't just let her go. She would run to the cops and you would be thrown in jail. So once you're tired of her, your only choices are killing her or keeping her there for 10+ years. These guys did the honorable thing and even got the first one some company so she wouldn't be lonely.

/but seriously, fark those guys.
//Sex slaves. Not even once.
 
2013-05-08 11:18:49 AM

starbuckisagirl: CNN earlier aired some footage from a local affiliate of Amanda's first phone call to her grandmother.  They were in grandma's living room and obviously had her permission but I doubt they had Amanda's.  You could hear every word both sides said.  I found it really disgusting to invade on such a private moment..


There is a really strange aspect of our society where anyone who is a victim of a tragedy is fair game to have their most private and painful moments made available for public consumption and rubber-necking without second thought, and it's really odd to me.   It really struck me during the Boston bombing how people had no qualms looking  the mangled bodies of victims.   And I'm not talking about people driven by reptilian minds in the dark recesses of teh intrawebbings, but the friggin Associated Press releasing photos of people in the most tragic, destructive and painful moments of their lives.     People got all up in a tizzy about 4Chan or Reddit invading privacy by posting photos of the crowd before the bombing looking for possible suspects, but had absolutely no qualms with analyzing the look on an innocent victim's victims face at the moment he realized his legs were blown off.
 
2013-05-08 11:21:49 AM
karmachameleon


Random Anonymous Blackmail: MelGoesOnTour


I'm so glad these folks were rescued. But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

I too have read about chains and ropes, but I also read in an article that one of the women was let out from time to time. I understand there might have been some mental manipulation or fear of revenge, but I have to agree, there are a few things that don't wrap up all nice and tidy.

Seriously? Look up Stockholm Syndrome. Get back to us once you've informed yourself.


I know exactly what Stockholm Syndrome is. There is no reason to assume I lack this knowledge because I am not ready to accept only one side of the story being fed to us by the media when the police have released few details.
Gather information,think for yourself and then make a conclusion before jumping to them.
 
2013-05-08 11:24:13 AM
Give them life in prison, among the general population and let it be known to the other prisoners that death is too good for these guys and blind eyes will be turned.
 
2013-05-08 11:25:17 AM

orclover: The kids are farked.  The kidnap victims are farked.  The only people not farked is the kidnappers because they will serve less time in jail than their victims.  They should be on the court house porch being burned at the stake.


Wouldn't that be much less time then?
 
2013-05-08 11:27:06 AM

starbuckisagirl: CNN earlier aired some footage from a local affiliate of Amanda's first phone call to her grandmother.  They were in grandma's living room and obviously had her permission but I doubt they had Amanda's.  You could hear every word both sides said.  I found it really disgusting to invade on such a private moment..


I agree. On the drive to work this AM one of the stations started playing the phone call. I immediately changed it due to disgust.
 
2013-05-08 11:27:27 AM

On the Side: Give them life in prison, among the general population and let it be known to the other prisoners that death is too good for these guys and blind eyes will be turned.


This may well be their fate.  If they're in the general population, they won't last long.

/I'm OK with this.jpg
 
2013-05-08 11:27:57 AM

Theaetetus: orclover: The kids are farked.  The kidnap victims are farked.  The only people not farked is the kidnappers because they will serve less time in jail than their victims.  They should be on the court house porch being burned at the stake.

Wouldn't that be much less time then?


jail first, then burn. A little at a time.  Heal them, burn again?
 
2013-05-08 11:29:30 AM

InmanRoshi: starbuckisagirl: CNN earlier aired some footage from a local affiliate of Amanda's first phone call to her grandmother.  They were in grandma's living room and obviously had her permission but I doubt they had Amanda's.  You could hear every word both sides said.  I found it really disgusting to invade on such a private moment..

There is a really strange aspect of our society where anyone who is a victim of a tragedy is fair game to have their most private and painful moments made available for public consumption and rubber-necking without second thought, and it's really odd to me.   It really struck me during the Boston bombing how people had no qualms looking  the mangled bodies of victims.   And I'm not talking about people driven by reptilian minds in the dark recesses of teh intrawebbings, but the friggin Associated Press releasing photos of people in the most tragic, destructive and painful moments of their lives.     People got all up in a tizzy about 4Chan or Reddit invading privacy by posting photos of the crowd before the bombing looking for possible suspects, but had absolutely no qualms with analyzing the look on an innocent victim's victims face at the moment he realized his legs were blown off.


QFT, darlin'.

/Remember the coverage of jumpers from the WTC?
 
2013-05-08 11:30:14 AM

On the Side: Give them life in prison, among the general population and let it be known to the other prisoners that death is too good for these guys and blind eyes will be turned.


Nah. Too easy.  Life solitary with 'accidental' exposure to inmates every year on the anniversary of the girls' disappearances.
 
2013-05-08 11:30:27 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: MelGoesOnTour


I'm so glad these folks were rescued. But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

I too have read about chains and ropes, but I also read in an article that one of the women was let out from time to time. I understand there might have been some mental manipulation or fear of revenge, but I have to agree, there are a few things that don't wrap up all nice and tidy.


In a remarkably coincidental speech given one week ago, before these women were found, Elizabeth Smart discussed why some human trafficking victims don't run:
Smart said she "felt so dirty and so filthy" after she was raped by her captor, and she understands why someone wouldn't run "because of that alone."

Smart spoke at a Johns Hopkins human trafficking forum, saying she was raised in a religious household and recalled a school teacher who spoke once about abstinence and compared sex to chewing gum.

"I thought, 'Oh, my gosh, I'm that chewed up piece of gum, nobody re-chews a piece of gum, you throw it away.' And that's how easy it is to feel like you know longer have worth, you know longer have value," Smart said. "Why would it even be worth screaming out? Why would it even make a difference if you are rescued? Your life still has no value."
 
2013-05-08 11:31:21 AM
"I was freaking happy as hell, because I didn't know my sister was kidnapped," he said. "My mom never tells me anything."

Weirdest.
Story.
Ever.
 
2013-05-08 11:31:38 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: MelGoesOnTour


I'm so glad these folks were rescued. But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

I too have read about chains and ropes, but I also read in an article that one of the women was let out from time to time. I understand there might have been some mental manipulation or fear of revenge, but I have to agree, there are a few things that don't wrap up all nice and tidy.


It never ceases to amaze me that no matter how horrific a crime is, there are always a few people on Fark desperately looking for a way to assign blame to the victim, or at least to somehow excuse the behavior of the criminal.

What's going through your head here, exactly? You're thinking, what, maybe one or more of these women actually dug being chained in a basement and used as a sex slave for ten years? Maybe the women came from abusive families, and by chaining them up in a basement and using them as sex slaves for ten years these sick bastards were doing them some kind of favor? Maybe those teenage girls willingly chose to be chained up in a basement and used as sex slaves for ten years? Maybe those guys bought the girls from their parents fair and square?

Somehow, in your mind, these women MUST have deserved what happened to them because they didn't do what you imagine you would do in a situation you cannot possibly even begin to imagine. Is that what you think? Seriously? Or maybe you think the media is making a mountain out of a molehill, because come on, lots of women would probably like to be chained up in a basement as a sex slave for ten years?

What the fark is WRONG with you?
 
2013-05-08 11:31:39 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: karmachameleon


Random Anonymous Blackmail: MelGoesOnTour


I'm so glad these folks were rescued. But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

I too have read about chains and ropes, but I also read in an article that one of the women was let out from time to time. I understand there might have been some mental manipulation or fear of revenge, but I have to agree, there are a few things that don't wrap up all nice and tidy.

Seriously? Look up Stockholm Syndrome. Get back to us once you've informed yourself.

I know exactly what Stockholm Syndrome is. There is no reason to assume I lack this knowledge because I am not ready to accept only one side of the story being fed to us by the media when the police have released few details.
Gather information,think for yourself and then make a conclusion before jumping to them.


You are a nice and smart person. People enjoy your company and appreciate your opinions.
 
2013-05-08 11:31:56 AM
I know the media and the public "Have to Know", but why can't we just leave these poor victims alone?  If it were me, I would want to be out of the spotlight and take time to recover from this nightmare.  We should just leave them alone and let them tell us about it when (and if) they are ready too.
 
2013-05-08 11:32:44 AM

nekom: cig-mkr: These three guys are another good reason to bring back public hangings.

I don't know, there's some poetic justice in the knowledge that they will now be housed in a cage. Forever. Seriously, this is EASILY aggravated kidnapping and aggravated rape and lord knows what other charges they can stack, and absolutely NO mitigation whatsoever. This is 3 consecutive life sentence territory. Let them live a long and MISERABLE existence, while their victims can now at least have something of a life. Oh and unlike the victims, there is NO hope of reprieve, NO chance of escape. They will be condemned. Abandon hope.


I think it is important to note that, despite what is almost certainly a horrific decade, these women are still young and can have a life (hopefully, and likely with LOTS of therapy). I was discussing this with my partner last night and we agreed: we are against capital punishment for murder (singular and unplanned), but these three gentlemen appear to require torture AND THEN execution. Keeping somebody in purgatory for a decade is a special kind of evil. It's good that law Isn't subjective, but it's tempting to imagine excepting certain people.
 
2013-05-08 11:33:23 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I know exactly what Stockholm Syndrome is. There is no reason to assume I lack this knowledge because I am not ready to accept only one side of the story being fed to us by the media when the police have released few details.
Gather information,think for yourself and then make a conclusion before jumping to them.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-08 11:33:41 AM
how do i even start to guess how often this has happened
and in 10 years someone is bound to have taken pictures, film etc.

face recognition software
bdsm sites

might need to be done

how do i even start to guess how often this has happened
and in 10 years someone is bound to have taken pictures, film etc.
 
2013-05-08 11:34:20 AM

Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story


I'm going to break character for a minute here.
I don't know you from Adam.

If you are serious, please don't turn to Fark for help. Fark is great for feel-good stories, but there isn't the same urgency here that there is on other sites. If you want any help at all, I'd recommend Reddit.

The overlap of users between Fark and Reddit is significant. I ask any Reddit users who are active here to spread this story to Reddit as well. This means there may need to be additional details provided (such as you provided later in this thread). A picture and age would also be very important.

The status of your husband's child may never be fully known, but engaging Farkers to find her is not going to help. Reddit, and (oh god) 4chan are where actual action will occur.

May God bless you, your husband, his daughter, and her mother.
 
2013-05-08 11:35:03 AM

Theaetetus: Random Anonymous Blackmail: MelGoesOnTour


I'm so glad these folks were rescued. But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

I too have read about chains and ropes, but I also read in an article that one of the women was let out from time to time. I understand there might have been some mental manipulation or fear of revenge, but I have to agree, there are a few things that don't wrap up all nice and tidy.

In a remarkably coincidental speech given one week ago, before these women were found, Elizabeth Smart discussed why some human trafficking victims don't run:
Smart said she "felt so dirty and so filthy" after she was raped by her captor, and she understands why someone wouldn't run "because of that alone."

Smart spoke at a Johns Hopkins human trafficking forum, saying she was raised in a religious household and recalled a school teacher who spoke once about abstinence and compared sex to chewing gum.

"I thought, 'Oh, my gosh, I'm that chewed up piece of gum, nobody re-chews a piece of gum, you throw it away.' And that's how easy it is to feel like you know longer have worth, you know longer have value," Smart said. "Why would it even be worth screaming out? Why would it even make a difference if you are rescued? Your life still has no value."



In another remarkable coincidence, on Monday, my son's high school devoted a significant part of the school-day to learning about and discussing human trafficking.  And this is a Cleveland-area high school.  The things they had discussed really hit home when they watched the news Monday night.
 
2013-05-08 11:35:32 AM

cwolf20: Theaetetus: orclover: The kids are farked.  The kidnap victims are farked.  The only people not farked is the kidnappers because they will serve less time in jail than their victims.  They should be on the court house porch being burned at the stake.

Wouldn't that be much less time then?

jail first, then burn. A little at a time.  Heal them, burn again?


Cant we burn them WHILE they serve time?  Maybe give them a really chronic case of shingles?
 
2013-05-08 11:37:31 AM

vudutek: Speaking of privacy, I wonder if they got Tarnaev buried while the media has been distracted? If not, they missed a perfect opportunity.





Funny you should mention that: USAF vet wants dead Boston jihadi bomber buried in her National Cemetery burial plot
 
2013-05-08 11:38:29 AM

starbuckisagirl: CNN earlier aired some footage from a local affiliate of Amanda's first phone call to her grandmother.  They were in grandma's living room and obviously had her permission but I doubt they had Amanda's.  You could hear every word both sides said.  I found it really disgusting to invade on such a private moment..



Did you turn it off? No? Well, that's why they aired it.

/Not being a jackass.
//The media likes high ratings, too
 
2013-05-08 11:38:31 AM
One thing I ask everyone to do is when a Amber Alert goes out, share it as soon as you can, via Facebook, Tweet, text, whatever. The sooner the public gets this information and the more vigilant they are the chances of recovering the person is much greater.

Just this past weekend, there was a kid in my area that was kidnapped, the Amber Alert went out immediately and may be the reason they found him alive. The monster harmed him but spared his life.

Another thing parents should be aware of is Code Adam. If you are in a department store and your child is missing, don't mess around. Tell an employee, they are supposed to be trained to shut the store down, and don't allow anyone in or out.
Your best bet is to head to the nearest exit and look around outside.

Non parents can help out too. Don't just sit there and watch the show, you may actually save a child by being proactive.

I once helped reunite a child to his family at the beach. I saw a mother crying hysterically that her boy was missing, and the father was trying to calm her, he seemed to be in shock. I had to do something so I ran down the boardwalk. I figured the kid is in the ocean, on the beach, or someone is abducting him. I found him about an 1/8 of a mile down in the sand. I'm sure he probably would have made it back but to them eventually but no one knew that at that time. It was a good feeling to help them, they were very grateful and I would hope someone would do that for my kid, if so needed.
 
2013-05-08 11:38:55 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: HatMadeOfAss: HotIgneous Intruder: Survivor?
Nobody got killed, subby.

Semantics.  It's the same reason we call POWs survivors.  Physical death isn't the only kind of situation one survives from.  Mental abuse and torture can be harrowing situations, and those that escape can rightfully say they survived.

Sir Mirriam and Mr. Weber perhaps have explained it best:

sur·vived sur·viv·ing

intransitive verb
1: to remain alive or in existence : live on
2: to continue to function or prosper

transitive verb
1: to remain alive after the death of <he is survived by his wife>
2: to continue to exist or live after <survived the earthquake>
3: to continue to function or prosper despite : <they survived many hardships>

tl:DR

/mine was simpler and more direct
//AND FIRST!
///HAH!!!!!!



i.imgur.com

Congrats!
 
2013-05-08 11:39:40 AM

lewismarktwo: Nah. Too easy. Life solitary with 'accidental' exposure to inmates every year on the anniversary of the girls' disappearances.


No no no, guys... This dropping them off in North Korea thing is a WAY better idea.I'm telling you. Why should we have to pay to clothe and feed them? Why should they have access to toilets, gyms, libraries and TV? NO. I'm telling you, North Korea labor camp. Perhaps this is a way for the US to mends some fences?
 
2013-05-08 11:39:45 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: MelGoesOnTour


I'm so glad these folks were rescued. But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

I too have read about chains and ropes, but I also read in an article that one of the women was let out from time to time. I understand there might have been some mental manipulation or fear of revenge, but I have to agree, there are a few things that don't wrap up all nice and tidy.


Um, they were in chains. Or at least, chains were found in the basement.

You try being a kidnapped teenage rape victim/sex slave chained in the basement for multiple years and see how well you deal with it.

Anyone know if the "disturbed" dirt they found did in fact contain a body?
 
2013-05-08 11:41:32 AM

Stan Lee's Ghost: Fark yuu and your autostarting videos.


My thoughts exactly. Pissed me off even more that I couldn't stop the commercial or turn it down in window.
 
2013-05-08 11:42:47 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-08 11:43:25 AM
Time to bring back Worst Person in the World:

http://mediamatters.org/video/2013/05/07/limbaugh-connects-cleveland- k idnappers-to-obama/193946
 
2013-05-08 11:44:33 AM
orclover:   The only people not farked is the kidnappers because they will serve less time in jail than their victims.  They should be on the court house porch being burned at the stake.  But that would shatter the illusion of civility we have created.

While I do like the idea of burning them at the stake, I think they'll probably been spending the rest of their lives in jail and rightfully so.  If the reports are accurate, they will each have at least 3 counts of kidnapping (if not more), illegal confinement, multiple counts of aggravated rape, probably murder charges due to the miscarriages and other missing women, etc.   Most judges would probably make them serves the sentences consecutively.

/I think general population might be good for them.
 
2013-05-08 11:44:41 AM

HatMadeOfAss: Jim from Saint Paul: HatMadeOfAss: HotIgneous Intruder: Survivor?
Nobody got killed, subby.

Semantics.  It's the same reason we call POWs survivors.  Physical death isn't the only kind of situation one survives from.  Mental abuse and torture can be harrowing situations, and those that escape can rightfully say they survived.

Sir Mirriam and Mr. Weber perhaps have explained it best:

sur·vived sur·viv·ing

intransitive verb
1: to remain alive or in existence : live on
2: to continue to function or prosper

transitive verb
1: to remain alive after the death of <he is survived by his wife>
2: to continue to exist or live after <survived the earthquake>
3: to continue to function or prosper despite : <they survived many hardships>

tl:DR

/mine was simpler and more direct
//AND FIRST!
///HAH!!!!!!


[i.imgur.com image 250x327]

Congrats!


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-08 11:47:04 AM

Deucednuisance: Time to bring back Worst Person in the World:

http://mediamatters.org/video/2013/05/07/limbaugh-connects-cleveland- k idnappers-to-obama/193946


He's just a shock jock doing shock jock stuff !!!!

..... who happens to be invited as the keynote speaker for the largest conservative conference in America and who every GOP politician is absolutely terrified of distancing from, much less publicly admonishing as an unequivocal grotesque human being. .
 
2013-05-08 11:47:53 AM

Deucednuisance: Time to bring back Worst Person in the World:

http://mediamatters.org/video/2013/05/07/limbaugh-connects-cleveland- k idnappers-to-obama/193946


Because brown people?

/no srs, give me cliff notes
 
2013-05-08 11:48:34 AM
My favorite part of this whole story is when they interviewed the rescuer and he said "I knew something was wrong when a pretty little white girl ran into a black man's arms." (at about 2:35)
 
2013-05-08 11:48:34 AM
Pics or it didn't happen.

//Too soon?
 
2013-05-08 11:48:47 AM
even money these guys were Goreans. if there's any hateful cult that needs to be confronted with violent prejudice, it's that one.
 
2013-05-08 11:49:03 AM
For cases like this, there is no reason to waste any time or resources. 3 bullets would serve justice and there would be plenty of volunteers wanting to carry out the executions... and even pay for the ammo!
 
2013-05-08 11:49:41 AM
gglibertine


Random Anonymous Blackmail: MelGoesOnTour


It never ceases to amaze me that no matter how horrific a crime is, there are always a few people on Fark desperately looking for a way to assign blame to the victim, or at least to somehow excuse the behavior of the criminal.


Did I say I was blaming the victim, No I did not. Did I say that I was excusing a criminal for their behavior, no. You have heard the rule of assumptions, please be respectful of that. It is funny of all the intelligent people on FARK, so many of them are willing run frantically for their pitchforks and torches because the media is great at smacking the bees nest and watch the lemmings fall into line.

May I be wrong, yes. May i be right, yes. The fact is you don't know, but much like you I have an opinion, and in my opinion something does not add up.
 
2013-05-08 11:49:42 AM

Graffito: Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story

I am so sorry.


I don't think your apology for your crime will soften the jury on the verdict one bit.  IT just doesn't seem sincere.
 
2013-05-08 11:52:43 AM
Kirzania: nekom: These 3 brothers deserve to be sent to North Korea.

I think this is something you should bring up to your congressman. I think it would be quite suitable for a lot of these farktards to be dropped off in the hills of NK. No one is going to ask for them to be released. Ever.


For some reason, the first thing that popped in my head was thousands of violent inmates parachuting into NK. Now that would be funny, maybe even give them weapons and see what happens.
 
2013-05-08 11:52:57 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: May I be wrong, yes. May i be right, yes. The fact is you don't know, but much like you I have an opinion, and in my opinion something does not add up.


You didn't answer my question. I repeat, what the fark is wrong with you?
 
2013-05-08 11:53:35 AM

FatherChaos: My favorite part of this whole story is when they interviewed the rescuer and he said "I knew something was wrong when a pretty little white girl ran into a black man's arms." (at about 2:35)


Dude, where have you been?  My favorite right now is this one.  Mind you, not because I'm a pompous racist but because I think this guy is awesome and he needed a song.
 
2013-05-08 11:55:57 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: gglibertine


Random Anonymous Blackmail: MelGoesOnTour


It never ceases to amaze me that no matter how horrific a crime is, there are always a few people on Fark desperately looking for a way to assign blame to the victim, or at least to somehow excuse the behavior of the criminal.

Did I say I was blaming the victim, No I did not. Did I say that I was excusing a criminal for their behavior, no. You have heard the rule of assumptions, please be respectful of that. It is funny of all the intelligent people on FARK, so many of them are willing run frantically for their pitchforks and torches because the media is great at smacking the bees nest and watch the lemmings fall into line.

May I be wrong, yes. May i be right, yes. The fact is you don't know, but much like you I have an opinion, and in my opinion something does not add up.


I'll take the frantic 911 caller word for it when she's suggesting she's been kidnapped and raped.

Hey, call me a sap. I can take the heat.
 
2013-05-08 11:56:15 AM

cig-mkr: These three guys are another good reason to bring back public hangings.


Yes I agree.  Or perhaps these guys should be repeatedly pounded in the a$$ on a daily basis for the rest of their lives.  Maybe that would deter similarly minded freaks from doing this in the future?
 
2013-05-08 11:56:32 AM

derpy: Stan Lee's Ghost: Fark yuu and your autostarting videos.


Auto starting videos are a worse crime than... than.. the subject at hand.
 
2013-05-08 11:57:19 AM
Lollipop165

Um, they were in chains. Or at least, chains were found in the basement.

I have a chain in my garage, it was there when I got there, it means nothing.
 
2013-05-08 11:57:30 AM

ReverendJasen: FTA: "It's a good possibility one of them is [the father]," Tomba said.

Are they stupid?  Unless she gave birth to a reincarnated female Jesus, it's approximately a 100% possibility one of these three cocksuckers is the father.  She didn't leave captivity for 10 years.


Actually, they could have been whoring these women out. This is going to get a lot worse when we get more info.
 
2013-05-08 11:57:53 AM
you'd think they'd be getting her some macdonals.
 
2013-05-08 11:58:47 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: Because brown people?


Kinda sorta....

Jim from Saint Paul: /no srs, give me cliff notes


It's hard to tell in a way, because it's his usual stream of unconsciousness, but I think he's trying to say that since these guys are Hispanic, they kidnapped the girls on purpose to make Welfare Babies to steal money from Real `Merkins and are therefore, obviously, Obama supporters.

The dude can't have handlers, `cause they would have darted him by now:

www.usnews.com
 
2013-05-08 11:58:55 AM
Happy to have been raised by wolves.
 
2013-05-08 11:59:05 AM
She has her Daddy's eyes.
 
2013-05-08 11:59:59 AM

Kirzania: nekom: These 3 brothers deserve to be sent to North Korea.

I think this is something you should bring up to your congressman. I think it would be quite suitable for a lot of these farktards to be dropped off in the hills of NK. No one is going to ask for them to be released. Ever.


Dropped off in NK? I say we give them the Lao Che treatment
 
2013-05-08 12:00:49 PM
gglibertine


Random Anonymous Blackmail: May I be wrong, yes. May i be right, yes. The fact is you don't know, but much like you I have an opinion, and in my opinion something does not add up.

You didn't answer my question. I repeat, what the fark is wrong with you?


So because I don't share your opinion there is something wrong with me?

/fall into line citizen.
 
2013-05-08 12:01:01 PM

muwaryer: Theaetetus: Random Anonymous Blackmail: MelGoesOnTour


I'm so glad these folks were rescued. But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

I too have read about chains and ropes, but I also read in an article that one of the women was let out from time to time. I understand there might have been some mental manipulation or fear of revenge, but I have to agree, there are a few things that don't wrap up all nice and tidy.

In a remarkably coincidental speech given one week ago, before these women were found, Elizabeth Smart discussed why some human trafficking victims don't run:
Smart said she "felt so dirty and so filthy" after she was raped by her captor, and she understands why someone wouldn't run "because of that alone."

Smart spoke at a Johns Hopkins human trafficking forum, saying she was raised in a religious household and recalled a school teacher who spoke once about abstinence and compared sex to chewing gum.

"I thought, 'Oh, my gosh, I'm that chewed up piece of gum, nobody re-chews a piece of gum, you throw it away.' And that's how easy it is to feel like you know longer have worth, you know longer have value," Smart said. "Why would it even be worth screaming out? Why would it even make a difference if you are rescued? Your life still has no value."


In another remarkable coincidence, on Monday, my son's high school devoted a significant part of the school-day to learning about and discussing human trafficking.  And this is a Cleveland-area high school.  The things they had discussed really hit home when they watched the news Monday night.


And one more interesting coincidence: The center for Missing and Exploited Children had their annual dinner last night where they gave their Hope Award to Jaycee Dugard. She is probably the one person who understands best what these women went through. She took the millions of compensation money paid by California and created a foundation to help found kidnap victims recover and also help the victims and their families reconnect and move forward. I hope that these three women and their families take advantage of the wisdom she and her family and the experts can offer them.

That is one sorority nobody wants to belong to, but at least other recovering victims can relate to someone who has been through something similar.
 
2013-05-08 12:01:10 PM
inclemency:
I think it is important to note that, despite what is almost certainly a horrific decade, these women are still young and can have a life (hopefully, and likely with LOTS of therapy). I was discussing this with my partner last night and we agreed: we are against capital punishment for murder (singular and unplanned), but these three gentlemen appear to require torture AND THEN execution. Keeping somebody in purgatory for a decade is a special kind of evil. It's good that law Isn't subjective, but it's tempting to imagine excepting certain people.

Oh my yes it's tempting, which is exactly why the law should not be based on emotions (like my North Korea idea, which was not a serious suggestion of course), but rather the facts of each case.  It should all be clinical.  They will receive a fair trial, should be a pretty slam dunk case, and they will be sentenced to live in a cage forever, that's good enough.  They have certainly forfeited their right to ever live among us again.

And yes, it would be hard to call this story in any way good, but at least they have a shot at making a life now.  I hope there's some assets to seize from the 3 brothers to help pay for all the therapy they will need, but they are alive and free now, that's better than finding them dead.
 
2013-05-08 12:01:13 PM

On the Side: FatherChaos: My favorite part of this whole story is when they interviewed the rescuer and he said "I knew something was wrong when a pretty little white girl ran into a black man's arms." (at about 2:35)

Dude, where have you been?  My favorite right now is this one.  Mind you, not because I'm a pompous racist but because I think this guy is awesome and he needed a song.



Hero Charles Ramsey " DEAD GIVEAWAY song....best one of the Autotunes...
 
2013-05-08 12:01:44 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Lollipop165

Um, they were in chains. Or at least, chains were found in the basement.

I have a chain in my garage, it was there when I got there, it means nothing.


Except for the fact that 3 women who have been missing for 10 years claim that they were shackled in the house. Yeah, then I'd say it means something.
 
2013-05-08 12:02:45 PM
99.998er: Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.

Da fuq?


i580.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-08 12:04:18 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: May I be wrong, yes. May i be right, yes. The fact is you don't know, but much like you I have an opinion, and in my opinion something does not add up.


And in my opinion, there is something wrong with the way your head is wired.

There's treatment available.

Seek it.

But before they dope you up, perhaps you could enlighten us: what, exactly doesn't "add up" and what do you "think" it indicates as an alternative, more accurate description of what occurred?
 
2013-05-08 12:04:18 PM

Maud Dib: 99.998er: Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.

Da fuq?


[i580.photobucket.com image 197x151]


They were being sarcastic.
 
2013-05-08 12:04:40 PM

gglibertine: Random Anonymous Blackmail: MelGoesOnTour

What the fark is WRONG with you?


What the fark is wrong with you? You come across as one of these mentally disturbed individuals who see every question as a challenge and every act of doubt as a betrayal of your entire worldview. There is a term of that, it is called paranoia.

It is natural, normal, and healthy for people to seek comprehension in a time of crisis. Undoubtedly there is more to this story, there always is. It is unlikely that future facts would change the culpability of these men. Nevertheless, curiosity is a good thing and should not be met with the fear and loathing expressed in your post.
 
2013-05-08 12:05:00 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story

I'm going to break character for a minute here.
I don't know you from Adam.

If you are serious, please don't turn to Fark for help. Fark is great for feel-good stories, but there isn't the same urgency here that there is on other sites. If you want any help at all, I'd recommend Reddit.

The overlap of users between Fark and Reddit is significant. I ask any Reddit users who are active here to spread this story to Reddit as well. This means there may need to be additional details provided (such as you provided later in this thread). A picture and age would also be very important.

The status of your husband's child may never be fully known, but engaging Farkers to find her is not going to help. Reddit, and (oh god) 4chan are where actual action will occur.

May God bless you, your husband, his daughter, and her mother.




My husband and I are both on reddit, though I barely use it. He recently joined and is getting more into it. I'll tell him to handle this. Thanks.
 
2013-05-08 12:06:17 PM

TV's Vinnie: She has her Daddy's eyes.


Unfortunately.

I wonder if the Berry girl is going to be terrified of old hispanic looking men from now on.  I sure hope not because that's going to ruin Thanksgiving every year.
 
2013-05-08 12:06:36 PM

Deucednuisance: Random Anonymous Blackmail: May I be wrong, yes. May i be right, yes. The fact is you don't know, but much like you I have an opinion, and in my opinion something does not add up.

And in my opinion, there is something wrong with the way your head is wired.

There's treatment available.

Seek it.

But before they dope you up, perhaps you could enlighten us: what, exactly doesn't "add up" and what do you "think" it indicates as an alternative, more accurate description of what occurred?


Actually it's <i>your</i> heads that have been wired, programmed by Big Government and Corporations to trust The Man and Never Question Authority and always Believe What You Are Told.  There's more Through The Looking Glass that you Farkers just don't understand.

Wake up Sheeple

/sheeple
//SHEEPLE
 
2013-05-08 12:07:14 PM

Endive Wombat: I am fascinated (and sickened) by how someone can try and justify keeping sex slaves for 10+ years locked away like that...blows my mind...


It's easy to justify keeping your sex slaves locked away. If left loose they escape.
 
2013-05-08 12:10:20 PM

braedan: Endive Wombat: I am fascinated (and sickened) by how someone can try and justify keeping sex slaves for 10+ years locked away like that...blows my mind...

It's easy to justify keeping your sex slaves locked away. If left loose they escape.


At least they are alive. There's a probably an "easier" justification to just kill them.
 
2013-05-08 12:11:14 PM
Upside: Most animals born in captivity Have an increased lifespan.....
 
2013-05-08 12:11:23 PM

Grumpy Cat: AverageAmericanGuy: Grumpy Cat: My husband's daughter has been missing since 1999. This story just brings up all your worst fears. But it makes you wonder if she's still alive. We haven't a clue.

/not so cool story

I'm going to break character for a minute here.
I don't know you from Adam.

If you are serious, please don't turn to Fark for help. Fark is great for feel-good stories, but there isn't the same urgency here that there is on other sites. If you want any help at all, I'd recommend Reddit.

The overlap of users between Fark and Reddit is significant. I ask any Reddit users who are active here to spread this story to Reddit as well. This means there may need to be additional details provided (such as you provided later in this thread). A picture and age would also be very important.

The status of your husband's child may never be fully known, but engaging Farkers to find her is not going to help. Reddit, and (oh god) 4chan are where actual action will occur.

May God bless you, your husband, his daughter, and her mother.

My husband and I are both on reddit, though I barely use it. He recently joined and is getting more into it. I'll tell him to handle this. Thanks.


Ultimately, that really is the responsibility of you and your husband after all. I hope for the best for you. Good luck.
 
2013-05-08 12:11:39 PM
Arguing about the definition of survivor? LOL...this is why I can't leave you, Fark. In nearly any thread with more than 100 posts I can count on a few jackasses who will argue some inane point down to the lowest common denominator of stupid.
 
2013-05-08 12:12:36 PM

Latinwolf: nekom: That the phrase "born in captivity" can ever be applied to a human is obscene.  These 3 brothers deserve to be sent to North Korea.

Send them to Somalia, those pirates love white boys.


Wrong. I have it on good authority (Fark Liberals) that Hispanics are NOT white. (Else why the charges of "racism" every time some white legal citizen complains about illegal aliens from Mexico?)

Can't have it both ways, guyz.

Oh, wait, these guys did something evil, therefore they gotta be white?
 
2013-05-08 12:13:07 PM
It never ceases to amaze me that no matter how horrific a crime is, there are always a few people on Fark desperately looking for a way to assign blame to the victim, or at least to somehow excuse the behavior of the criminal.


Yeah, me too! I sure hate it when anyone has an opinion contrary to what everyone believed immediately and  ran with.
 
2013-05-08 12:14:01 PM

Maud Dib: 99.998er: Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.

Da fuq?


[i580.photobucket.com image 197x151]


OK white knight. Now, try reading that post with a tone of mockery very slow. Clever how that works. It is almost like it takes on a whole new meaning.
 
2013-05-08 12:15:12 PM

ChipNASA: On the Side: FatherChaos: My favorite part of this whole story is when they interviewed the rescuer and he said "I knew something was wrong when a pretty little white girl ran into a black man's arms." (at about 2:35)

Dude, where have you been?  My favorite right now is this one.  Mind you, not because I'm a pompous racist but because I think this guy is awesome and he needed a song.


Hero Charles Ramsey " DEAD GIVEAWAY song....best one of the Autotunes...


That is a good one, very well done actually, but a little too overproduced for my tastes.  But taste is subjective and that one is good.
 
2013-05-08 12:16:26 PM

Stan Lee's Ghost: Fark yuu and your autostarting videos.


Ditto. already sent them a comment to that effect.
 
2013-05-08 12:17:14 PM

Cytokine Storm: Maud Dib: 99.998er: Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.

Da fuq?


[i580.photobucket.com image 197x151]

They were being sarcastic.


I insist, nay, DEMAND that Fark employs a sarcasm font.
 
2013-05-08 12:17:23 PM

cig-mkr: These three guys are another good reason to bring back public hangings

castrations.

FTFY
 
2013-05-08 12:18:06 PM

Lollipop165: braedan: Endive Wombat: I am fascinated (and sickened) by how someone can try and justify keeping sex slaves for 10+ years locked away like that...blows my mind...

It's easy to justify keeping your sex slaves locked away. If left loose they escape.

At least they are alive. There's a probably an "easier" justification to just kill them.


Incorrect. If you kill them, you lose the sex slaves. (Even if necrophilia is a viable option for you, that will only last so long.) It's much easier to keep them restrained, feed them a thin nutrient poor gruel dosed with a low grade depressant to keep them tired & docile.

Does anyone want to come over to my house for a dinner party?
 
2013-05-08 12:18:29 PM
I am so glad the internet doesn't work like actual conversation. I had time to go make lunch. Digestion works better for me if my stomach is already turning at the base inhumanity of Fark.
 
2013-05-08 12:18:44 PM

Johnnyflash: For some reason, the first thing that popped in my head was thousands of violent inmates parachuting into NK. Now that would be funny, maybe even give them weapons and see what happens.


Well, they might interpret that as hostile actions. But I do enjoy where this is going. We need more creative people in the Judicial Branch.
 
2013-05-08 12:21:12 PM

nekom: cig-mkr: These three guys are another good reason to bring back public hangings.

I don't know, there's some poetic justice in the knowledge that they will now be housed in a cage. Forever. Seriously, this is EASILY aggravated kidnapping and aggravated rape and lord knows what other charges they can stack, and absolutely NO mitigation whatsoever. This is 3 consecutive life sentence territory. Let them live a long and MISERABLE existence, while their victims can now at least have something of a life. Oh and unlike the victims, there is NO hope of reprieve, NO chance of escape. They will be condemned. Abandon hope.


Various articles have mentioned at least 5 births, so there are 4 babies buried in the yard or somewhere. That's 4 charges of Murder One (unless, of course, you want to consider them to be late term abortions, in which case it;s cool). Also, at least one victim had several miscarriages from being beaten when she got pregnant. But that's cool, since they were fetuses and those would just be abortions.)
 
2013-05-08 12:21:39 PM

marleymaniac: ReverendJasen: FTA: "It's a good possibility one of them is [the father]," Tomba said.

Are they stupid?  Unless she gave birth to a reincarnated female Jesus, it's approximately a 100% possibility one of these three cocksuckers is the father.  She didn't leave captivity for 10 years.

Actually, they could have been whoring these women out. This is going to get a lot worse when we get more info.


Yup..possibly a 4th victim who has since disappeared. Girls wrote "RIP" on the wall of the basement.
 
2013-05-08 12:21:52 PM

braedan: Does anyone want to come over to my house for a dinner party?


Well... what are you serving?
 
2013-05-08 12:22:08 PM
ABC autoplay vids are obnoxious. Don't link to them.
 
2013-05-08 12:22:47 PM

catmandu: And one more interesting coincidence: The center for Missing and Exploited Children had their annual dinner last night where they gave their Hope Award to Jaycee Dugard. She is probably the one person who understands best what these women went through. She took the millions of compensation money paid by California and created a foundation to help found kidnap victims recover and also help the victims and their families reconnect and move forward. I hope that these three women and their families take advantage of the wisdom she and her family and the experts can offer them.

That is one sorority nobody wants to belong to, but at least other recovering victims can relate to someone who has been through something similar.


When I heard a story about that on NPR this morning I was thinking that hopefully the FBI, etc can put these women together - plus the various people who suffered this in Austria, also.  As you say, it's probably the best kind of talk therapy they can possibly get right now, someone who knows exactly what it is and is farther along on the way out.

I can definitely understand asking why they didn't escape earlier, because the psychology of it all is horribly fascinating (and stories like these happen often enough, sadly, that there's definitely some pattern to it).  Hopefully some information does come out.

Makes me wonder what changed this week that made the escape possible, same reason.
 
2013-05-08 12:24:03 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Survivor?
Nobody got killed, subby.


Various news articles mention at least 5 live births. So there are 4 dead babies somewhere.
 
2013-05-08 12:24:13 PM

doubled99: It never ceases to amaze me that no matter how horrific a crime is, there are always a few people on Fark desperately looking for a way to assign blame to the victim, or at least to somehow excuse the behavior of the criminal.


Yeah, me too! I sure hate it when anyone has an opinion contrary to what everyone believed immediately and  ran with.


OK, I'll bite. What alternative explanations can YOU come up with for this story? I don't want to hear "something just doesn't add up," I want to hear what it is that doesn't add up and what explanations come to YOUR mind to explain whatever that is.
 
2013-05-08 12:24:23 PM

Maud Dib: Yup..possibly a 4th victim who has since disappeared. Girls wrote "RIP" on the wall of the basement.


Wow.  I hadn't read that detail...

I did hear in passing on the news this morning though that there was another teenage missing girl who went missing in a similar area to these three, and people were disappointed that she wasn't found and is still missing.  Which makes you wonder if she could have been involved but killed, yeah. :(
 
2013-05-08 12:24:26 PM

Endive Wombat: I am fascinated  (and sickened)


Same here. One part of me wants know what happened to them, but then whenever I start to think about it my mind snaps back like a rubber band because even in my imagination the situation is awful to even consider.
 
2013-05-08 12:26:42 PM

Maud Dib: Cytokine Storm: Maud Dib: 99.998er: Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.

Da fuq?


[i580.photobucket.com image 197x151]

They were being sarcastic.

I insist, nay, DEMAND that Fark employs a sarcasm font.


Hell of an idea. Although, it would change the entire look of the website because 98% of the comments are sarcastic.
 
2013-05-08 12:29:19 PM
Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
Various articles have mentioned at least 5 births, so there are 4 babies buried in the yard or somewhere. That's 4 charges of Murder One (unless, of course, you want to consider them to be late term abortions, in which case it;s cool). Also, at least one victim had several miscarriages from being beaten when she got pregnant. But that's cool, since they were fetuses and those would just be abortions.)

I've seen that reported, but not confirmed.  Depends on what all comes out, I suppose, and what Ohio law is with regards to assault leading to the death of a fetus.  From Wiki's page on capital punishment in Ohio:


Aggravated murder with at least one of the following special circumstances:

The defendant knowingly created a grave risk of death for one or more persons in addition to the victim of the offense.
The murder was committed for pecuniary gain or pursuant to an agreement that the defendant would receive something of value.
The capital offense was committed by a person who is incarcerated, has escaped, is on probation, is in jail, or is under a sentence of imprisonment.
The offender in the commission of the offense, purposefully caused the death of another who was under thirteen years of age at the time of the commission of the offense and the defendant committed the offense with prior calculation and design.
The offense was the assassination of the president of the United States or person in line of succession to the presidency, or of the governor or lieutenant governor of this state, or of the president-elect or vice president-elect of the United States, or of the governor-elect of this state, or of a candidate for any of the foregoing offices.
The murder was committed against a witness in a criminal proceeding to prevent the witness from appearing, or for revenge.
The offense was committed while the offender was committing, attempting to commit, or fleeing immediately after committing or attempting to commit terrorism.

So I guess it's possible, if they can find a way to make an aggravated murder charge.
 
2013-05-08 12:29:38 PM

Cytokine Storm: Wake up Sheeple

/sheeple
//SHEEPLE


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-05-08 12:31:16 PM

Lollipop165: braedan: Does anyone want to come over to my house for a dinner party?

Well... what are you serving?


For obvious, I serving you're favorite foodes.
I will even send a cars to pick you up.

www.lolroflmao.com

DO NOT TELL ANYONE WHERE YOU ARE GOING.
 
2013-05-08 12:31:43 PM

TV's Vinnie: She has her Daddy's eyes.


... lifeless eyes, black eyes, like adoll's eyes. When she comes after ya, she doesn't seem to be livin' until she bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white, and then - aww, then you hear that terrible high-pitch screamin', and everything turns red...
 
2013-05-08 12:33:25 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Maud Dib: Cytokine Storm: Maud Dib: 99.998er: Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.

Da fuq?


[i580.photobucket.com image 197x151]

They were being sarcastic.

I insist, nay, DEMAND that Fark employs a sarcasm font.

Hell of an idea. Although, it would change the entire look of the website because 98% of the comments are sarcastic.


So basically what we need is a "totes serious" font instead.
 
2013-05-08 12:40:59 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: vudutek: Speaking of privacy, I wonder if they got Tarnaev buried while the media has been distracted? If not, they missed a perfect opportunity.

Funny you should mention that: USAF vet wants dead Boston jihadi bomber buried in her National Cemetery burial plot


I've been having a problem with this certain viral fb pic.   i.imgur.com
We are better people than this.  We bury our dead honorably... or better stated, we the living act honorably when dealing with the dead, no matter who they are.
 
2013-05-08 12:41:51 PM

Perducci: "Tomba said investigators were working to determine if the girl had ever left the house, but said she likely would have gone unnoticed by police who were not looking for a child."

They apparently weren't looking for the teens/adults much either.


"On Monday evening, Berry began screaming from behind the locked front door of the home where she and the other women were being held. Neighbors heard her and held kick open the door and then called police, ending what one FBI agent called the women's "nightmare. " "

I'm really curious about the conditions these women were held in.  Was it a locked, sound-proof bunker where they were never allowed to leave?  Was it a fairly normal house, but the women feared for their lives about trying to escape?  Was at least one of the brothers always present, 24 hours a day, every day?...  It's fascinating that it took this long for one of captives to shout for help, so there must have been some sort of barrier, whether physical or mental.


You would think humans would be resilient, they would be strong, that they could withstand a little torture, rape, and humiliation. You would be wrong. First thing is that with rape it takes away a persons power and their is the insidious thought that they deserved, that no one would ever want them again, that they are garbage. On top of this getting beaten, humiliated, and threatened with death for the smallest violation of the rules and rewarded or just not beaten for compliance and the human mind can be conditioned to accept imprisonment.
 
2013-05-08 12:41:56 PM

internut scholar: One thing I ask everyone to do is when a Amber Alert goes out, share it as soon as you can, via Facebook, Tweet, text, whatever. The sooner the public gets this information and the more vigilant they are the chances of recovering the person is much greater.

Just this past weekend, there was a kid in my area that was kidnapped, the Amber Alert went out immediately and may be the reason they found him alive. The monster harmed him but spared his life.

Another thing parents should be aware of is Code Adam. If you are in a department store and your child is missing, don't mess around. Tell an employee, they are supposed to be trained to shut the store down, and don't allow anyone in or out.
Your best bet is to head to the nearest exit and look around outside.

Non parents can help out too. Don't just sit there and watch the show, you may actually save a child by being proactive.

I once helped reunite a child to his family at the beach. I saw a mother crying hysterically that her boy was missing, and the father was trying to calm her, he seemed to be in shock. I had to do something so I ran down the boardwalk. I figured the kid is in the ocean, on the beach, or someone is abducting him. I found him about an 1/8 of a mile down in the sand. I'm sure he probably would have made it back but to them eventually but no one knew that at that time. It was a good feeling to help them, they were very grateful and I would hope someone would do that for my kid, if so needed.


So you tried to get the kid to walk with you back to his family, he was looking at bird poop, or a bug or something and didn't want to, so you scooped the little tyke up in your arms, and he started screaming, and 20 people descended on you screaming 'child molester' and the cops came and put you in the holding tank with 45 other felons and some cop mentioned you were a child molester and you got ass-raped several dozen times......
 
2013-05-08 12:43:07 PM

gglibertine: Random Anonymous Blackmail: MelGoesOnTour


I'm so glad these folks were rescued. But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

I too have read about chains and ropes, but I also read in an article that one of the women was let out from time to time. I understand there might have been some mental manipulation or fear of revenge, but I have to agree, there are a few things that don't wrap up all nice and tidy.

It never ceases to amaze me that no matter how horrific a crime is, there are always a few people on Fark desperately looking for a way to assign blame to the victim, or at least to somehow excuse the behavior of the criminal.


Thank you.
 
2013-05-08 12:43:51 PM

willfullyobscure: even money these guys were Goreans. if there's any hateful cult that needs to be confronted with violent prejudice, it's that one.


Wonder if the girls had "kajira" brands.
 
2013-05-08 12:45:24 PM

Deucednuisance: Jim from Saint Paul: Because brown people?

Kinda sorta....

Jim from Saint Paul: /no srs, give me cliff notes

It's hard to tell in a way, because it's his usual stream of unconsciousness, but I think he's trying to say that since these guys are Hispanic, they kidnapped the girls on purpose to make Welfare Babies to steal money from Real `Merkins and are therefore, obviously, Obama supporters.

The dude can't have handlers, `cause they would have darted him by now:

[www.usnews.com image 728x485]


What ARE you babbling about?
 
2013-05-08 12:45:52 PM

99.998er: Maud Dib: 99.998er: Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.

Da fuq?


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OK white knight. Now, try reading that post with a tone of mockery very slow. Clever how that works. It is almost like it takes on a whole new meaning.


Ahh leave the truther, birther, JFK conspiracy nut alone. Yeah his reaction to this is just like their reaction to 9/11, Obama's birth certificate, and JFK's assassination. Or maybe he just really gets off on rape and dungeon fantasies and can't see how this could possibly be bad. I mean all the rape bdsm porn he reads and watches has the women really liking it and loving her master in the end. Those books and movies would not lie to him would they?
 
2013-05-08 12:49:02 PM

tuna fingers: Tsar_Bomba1: vudutek: Speaking of privacy, I wonder if they got Tarnaev buried while the media has been distracted? If not, they missed a perfect opportunity.

Funny you should mention that: USAF vet wants dead Boston jihadi bomber buried in her National Cemetery burial plot

I've been having a problem with this certain viral fb pic.   [i.imgur.com image 402x426]
We are better people than this.  We bury our dead honorably... or better stated, we the living act honorably when dealing with the dead, no matter who they are.


Burying people is stupid.
 
2013-05-08 12:50:58 PM
worlddan

gglibertine: Random Anonymous Blackmail: MelGoesOnTour

..Undoubtedly there is more to this story, there always is. It is unlikely that future facts would change the culpability of these men. Nevertheless, curiosity is a good thing and should not be met with the fear and loathing expressed in your post.

And look at the shiat storm that was brewed up by bucking a little public opinion. I am not willing to go lynch mob and string them up by their balls. I never said anything one way or another but people assumed that by saying not everything was tidy with the situation, I was automatically siding with the alleged as some sort of pro rapist mental case.

Look at some of the other times in history where presumption of non favorable opinion in a public arena led to persecution. We really as a race have not come very far.

It is unlikely that future facts will change the outcome, I am more curious on how it got to this point and only the people involved know that.
 
2013-05-08 12:52:04 PM

IRQ12: tuna fingers: Tsar_Bomba1: vudutek: Speaking of privacy, I wonder if they got Tarnaev buried while the media has been distracted? If not, they missed a perfect opportunity.

Funny you should mention that: USAF vet wants dead Boston jihadi bomber buried in her National Cemetery burial plot

I've been having a problem with this certain viral fb pic.   [i.imgur.com image 402x426]
We are better people than this.  We bury our dead honorably... or better stated, we the living act honorably when dealing with the dead, no matter who they are.

Burying people is stupid.


Fair enough.  We shall act with grace when tending to our dead, no matter who they are.
 
2013-05-08 12:52:14 PM

tuna fingers: Tsar_Bomba1: vudutek: Speaking of privacy, I wonder if they got Tarnaev buried while the media has been distracted? If not, they missed a perfect opportunity.

Funny you should mention that: USAF vet wants dead Boston jihadi bomber buried in her National Cemetery burial plot

I've been having a problem with this certain viral fb pic.   [i.imgur.com image 402x426]
We are better people than this.  We bury our dead honorably... or better stated, we the living act honorably when dealing with the dead, no matter who they are.


Sounds like you got some space. Whats your address so they know where to dump him.
 
2013-05-08 12:56:27 PM

tuna fingers: IRQ12: tuna fingers: Tsar_Bomba1: vudutek: Speaking of privacy, I wonder if they got Tarnaev buried while the media has been distracted? If not, they missed a perfect opportunity.

Funny you should mention that: USAF vet wants dead Boston jihadi bomber buried in her National Cemetery burial plot

I've been having a problem with this certain viral fb pic.   [i.imgur.com image 402x426]
We are better people than this.  We bury our dead honorably... or better stated, we the living act honorably when dealing with the dead, no matter who they are.

Burying people is stupid.

Fair enough.  We shall act with grace when tending to our dead, no matter who they are.


Agreed.
 
2013-05-08 12:58:48 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Survivor?
Nobody got killed, subby.


You never made it past the 5th grade, did you?
 
2013-05-08 12:59:32 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: What ARE you babbling about?


And here I was, just now, thinking that I used to think you were just a hobbyist crank, havin' a little fun, here most days, but lately I've been thinking, yanno, maybe he really is homeless in OC, wandering Fark, like he does the streets going on about what fevered notion pops into his head and frightening the children and wimmenfolk.

What a coinkydink, huh?

(Hint: I summarized as best I could some of Rush's nonsense, and opined that in a sane world he'd have been tranquilized and drug offstage.  Sorry you couldn't follow.  Rush'll do that to ya.)
 
2013-05-08 01:02:00 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: And look at the shiat storm


(self-serving trite snipped)

Still not gonna cough up what you think doesn't "add up" and what it makes you think really happened, are ya?
 
2013-05-08 01:02:00 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: So you tried to get the kid to walk with you back to his family, he was looking at bird poop, or a bug or something and didn't want to, so you scooped the little tyke up in your arms, and he started screaming, and 20 people descended on you screaming 'child molester' and the cops came and put you in the holding tank with 45 other felons and some cop mentioned you were a child molester and you got ass-raped several dozen times......


Yeah, I guess in hindsight I shouldn't have told him I will give him candy if he stops crying and then putting my hand over his mouth was dumb too. Hey shiat happens.
 
2013-05-08 01:04:04 PM
IRQ12:

Burying people is stupid.

You are so right. People say 'there is no such thing as a free lunch' - well, there is.
 
2013-05-08 01:10:56 PM

nekom: MelGoesOnTour: I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

One article does mention chains.  It's also quite likely that he had a fortified dungeon of some sort.  He may well also have deployed mind control techniques, threatening to kill their family or things of that nature.


I read another article that detailed how the men would pretend to have left the girls alone and then torture them for any attempt at escape. Also they were beaten to miscarry their pregnancies. We can't even imagine what these girls went through.
 
2013-05-08 01:11:15 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Perducci: "Tomba said investigators were working to determine if the girl had ever left the house, but said she likely would have gone unnoticed by police who were not looking for a child."

They apparently weren't looking for the teens/adults much either.


"On Monday evening, Berry began screaming from behind the locked front door of the home where she and the other women were being held. Neighbors heard her and held kick open the door and then called police, ending what one FBI agent called the women's "nightmare. " "

I'm really curious about the conditions these women were held in.  Was it a locked, sound-proof bunker where they were never allowed to leave?  Was it a fairly normal house, but the women feared for their lives about trying to escape?  Was at least one of the brothers always present, 24 hours a day, every day?...  It's fascinating that it took this long for one of captives to shout for help, so there must have been some sort of barrier, whether physical or mental.

You would think humans would be resilient, they would be strong, that they could withstand a little torture, rape, and humiliation. You would be wrong. First thing is that with rape it takes away a persons power and their is the insidious thought that they deserved, that no one would ever want them again, that they are garbage. On top of this getting beaten, humiliated, and threatened with death for the smallest violation of the rules and rewarded or just not beaten for compliance and the human mind can be conditioned to accept imprisonment.



This phenomenon has been extensively studied in rodents, primates and human beings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness
 
2013-05-08 01:13:15 PM

ReverendJasen: FTA: "It's a good possibility one of them is [the father]," Tomba said.

Are they stupid?  Unless she gave birth to a reincarnated female Jesus, it's approximately a 100% possibility one of these three cocksuckers is the father.  She didn't leave captivity for 10 years.


Unless they farmed the ladies out to their sick fark buddies.
 
2013-05-08 01:14:05 PM

Citrate1007: So in 10 years it never occurred to any of them to scream?  Seems like the neighbor wasn't that far away.


So what's your hypothesis, then? That they collectively decided that they were having the ultimate getaway so why screw it up? Seriously, let us know where you're trying to take this line of thought. I'm sure that it will be entirely fascinating to the rest of us.
 
2013-05-08 01:15:55 PM
Grumpy Cat, I don't know if you're still reading this, but if you are -- the Charley Project does have an entry for Leanne Hausberg, but also says that "little information is available in her case." The woman who runs Charley is pretty involved with it, and if there's more information about her that your husband or her mother would like to get out there, emailing the admin there should do it. Good luck -- I really hope you find her.
 
2013-05-08 01:17:24 PM

Endive Wombat: I know there will be a book or three telling the horrors of the rape basement...and I cannot wait to read about it.

I am fascinated  (and sickened) by how someone can try and justify keeping sex slaves for 10+ years locked away like that...blows my mind...

If their trial gets aired, it ought to be interesting.  I am going to suspect that they may plead insanity because "I am a sadistic, evil cock, please show me mercy" will not bode well with the jury.  Everyone deserves a fair trial, but damn...I would not want to be their public defender.


I read this. I'll likely never read it again. Similar-type stuff.
 
2013-05-08 01:18:49 PM
You know what I'm really confused about?  And this really stems from all the cases we've heard of lately where someone has been kept captive for years on end...

Who is funding this?  It costs quite a lot to feed and house a single person on a single salary.  How do you manage 3 captives on top of that.  Hoe do you manage a baby on top of THAT?!  We're talking food, clothes, utility expenses, etc...  And this guy was a bus driver.  And he got fired last year after multiple suspensions.

Something is seriously missing from this picture.

//Well...  Lots of things.  That's just one.
 
2013-05-08 01:22:24 PM

durbnpoisn: You know what I'm really confused about?  And this really stems from all the cases we've heard of lately where someone has been kept captive for years on end...

Who is funding this?  It costs quite a lot to feed and house a single person on a single salary.  How do you manage 3 captives on top of that.  Hoe do you manage a baby on top of THAT?!  We're talking food, clothes, utility expenses, etc...  And this guy was a bus driver.  And he got fired last year after multiple suspensions.

Something is seriously missing from this picture.

//Well...  Lots of things.  That's just one.


Well, you've got to figure that he's got the house he paid $12,000 for in the early 90s.  If he even has a mortgage on that house, it's probably minimal and he'd be paying that (and utilities) anyway.  Beyond that, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that these girls didn't have a particularly extravagant lifestyle.
 
2013-05-08 01:25:39 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Did I say I was blaming the victim, No I did not. Did I say that I was excusing a criminal for their behavior, no. You have heard the rule of assumptions, please be respectful of that. It is funny of all the intelligent people on FARK, so many of them are willing run frantically for their pitchforks and torches because the media is great at smacking the bees nest and watch the lemmings fall into line.

May I be wrong, yes. May i be right, yes. The fact is you don't know, but much like you I have an opinion, and in my opinion something does not add up.


Ah yes, "something does not add up" and of course, you are "just asking questions".

You realize that this is the mantra of the conspiracy theorist, right?

If you really think that something doesn't add up, go out and find out the details. Dig through police reports, and news reports, and what have you, and then come back with the data you've gathered. Make a good faith effort (meaning not just looking for questions and gaps) to answer whatever questions you have buzzing around in your head.

But don't just stand around Fark asking "questions" that have pretty obvious answers to the rest of us just because you, personally, have a touch of paranoia when it comes to media reports. (Mind you, I am curious to know what you think either the media or the police could get out of fabricating any of this, but I'll let that pass.) It makes you sound dismissive of the very real violence that's been done to these women.
 
2013-05-08 01:32:21 PM

Theaetetus: orclover: The kids are farked.  The kidnap victims are farked.  The only people not farked is the kidnappers because they will serve less time in jail than their victims.  They should be on the court house porch being burned at the stake.

Wouldn't that be much less time then?


but the time would be like dog years. feel that burn baby
 
2013-05-08 01:35:55 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: willfullyobscure: even money these guys were Goreans. if there's any hateful cult that needs to be confronted with violent prejudice, it's that one.

Wonder if the girls had "kajira" brands.


dude.
 
2013-05-08 01:41:37 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: willfullyobscure: even money these guys were Goreans. if there's any hateful cult that needs to be confronted with violent prejudice, it's that one.

Wonder if the girls had "kajira" brands.


Great job.  You just made this ickier.
 
2013-05-08 01:43:01 PM

muwaryer: durbnpoisn: You know what I'm really confused about?  And this really stems from all the cases we've heard of lately where someone has been kept captive for years on end...

Who is funding this?  It costs quite a lot to feed and house a single person on a single salary.  How do you manage 3 captives on top of that.  Hoe do you manage a baby on top of THAT?!  We're talking food, clothes, utility expenses, etc...  And this guy was a bus driver.  And he got fired last year after multiple suspensions.

Something is seriously missing from this picture.

//Well...  Lots of things.  That's just one.

Well, you've got to figure that he's got the house he paid $12,000 for in the early 90s.  If he even has a mortgage on that house, it's probably minimal and he'd be paying that (and utilities) anyway.  Beyond that, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that these girls didn't have a particularly extravagant lifestyle.



Ok, I'll give you a point for the humor...  But there is still a lot that seems to be left off the ledger.  Especially if there are really more than 1 kid.  Like...  How does this guy go shopping for all these people?  Feminine hygene products, baby food, clothes...  And NO ONE asks any questions?  We can only imagine he either sent his brothers out for the shopping, or he went across the lake to Canada.  And still, my point is, it still adds up to a lot of money, even if he isn't paying a mortgage.  Far more than a school bus driver in Cleveland is making.
 
2013-05-08 01:47:22 PM

Robert1966: How'd her mom get the popsicles up there?


They could have stuck one in the kid's mouth as she was headed out.
 
2013-05-08 01:50:27 PM
It takes a special kind of shiat stain to troll a thread about this story.
 
2013-05-08 01:55:29 PM

99.998er: MelGoesOnTour: I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

Yes, I wonder what on earth could possibly deter these women from just walking away whistling. I am sure the threats of torture and death of not only them, but perhaps even the little girl were never taken seriously. Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.


I often wonder why people make ludicrous, hateful remarks like this. My thinking is that last statement is your own personal fantasy that you're too weak and ashamed to claim so you project it to another human being for the sick thrill of uttering your secret, personal words, 99.998er.
 
2013-05-08 01:58:41 PM
I just watched a decent movie that has some disturbing parallels to this case.  It shows some of the type of abuse (mental and physical) that victims might have to endure and that keeps them from trying to escape..

The Factory - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1132285/  (available on Netflix streaming)

I'm sure, however, it doesn't even scratch the surface of the horror that the 3 women in Cleveland endured.  I can't even think of an appropriate punishment for the kidnappers that would in any way cause them the level of anguish they inflicted on their victims..
 
2013-05-08 02:00:55 PM

Liinda: 99.998er: MelGoesOnTour: I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

Yes, I wonder what on earth could possibly deter these women from just walking away whistling. I am sure the threats of torture and death of not only them, but perhaps even the little girl were never taken seriously. Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.

I often wonder why people make ludicrous, hateful remarks like this. My thinking is that last statement is your own personal fantasy that you're too weak and ashamed to claim so you project it to another human being for the sick thrill of uttering your secret, personal words, 99.998er.


I'm pretty sure this is his attempt at satire/sarcasm.  Using ugliness to expose the previous poster's implied argument
 
2013-05-08 02:01:25 PM

durbnpoisn: muwaryer: durbnpoisn: You know what I'm really confused about?  And this really stems from all the cases we've heard of lately where someone has been kept captive for years on end...

Who is funding this?  It costs quite a lot to feed and house a single person on a single salary.  How do you manage 3 captives on top of that.  Hoe do you manage a baby on top of THAT?!  We're talking food, clothes, utility expenses, etc...  And this guy was a bus driver.  And he got fired last year after multiple suspensions.

Something is seriously missing from this picture.

//Well...  Lots of things.  That's just one.

Well, you've got to figure that he's got the house he paid $12,000 for in the early 90s.  If he even has a mortgage on that house, it's probably minimal and he'd be paying that (and utilities) anyway.  Beyond that, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that these girls didn't have a particularly extravagant lifestyle.


Ok, I'll give you a point for the humor...  But there is still a lot that seems to be left off the ledger.  Especially if there are really more than 1 kid.  Like...  How does this guy go shopping for all these people?  Feminine hygene products, baby food, clothes...  And NO ONE asks any questions?  We can only imagine he either sent his brothers out for the shopping, or he went across the lake to Canada.  And still, my point is, it still adds up to a lot of money, even if he isn't paying a mortgage.  Far more than a school bus driver in Cleveland is making.


I understand your point, but I also think that you're making some assumptions about their lifestyle.  Understand that I readily admit that I also am making assumptions and have no idea of the specifics.  Yes, it would cost something.  However, it's quite possible that they really did live a purely subsistence life-style (I wasn't  entirely going for humor in the post above).  If you calculate living expenses with the assumptions of someone who cares about those he is supporting (good food, clean clothes, good hygiene, etc.), yes, it would be expensive.  But for all we know they got new clothes once a year, and even then it was from a thrift store.  Their food may have been just barely adequate to keep them alive and functioning.  Honestly, I'm not sure it would cost all that much to merely keep someone alive but living in squalor.

And I'm not sure I want to think too much about how me might have earned some extra income to help pay his expenses.
 
2013-05-08 02:03:57 PM

Liinda: 99.998er: MelGoesOnTour: I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

Yes, I wonder what on earth could possibly deter these women from just walking away whistling. I am sure the threats of torture and death of not only them, but perhaps even the little girl were never taken seriously. Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.

I often wonder why people make ludicrous, hateful remarks like this. My thinking is that last statement is your own personal fantasy that you're too weak and ashamed to claim so you project it to another human being for the sick thrill of uttering your secret, personal words, 99.998er.


You do realize it was a sarcastic response to MelGoesOnTour's remark about things not adding up and not really believing a full grown adult woman wouldn't have tried to escape earlier right?

I know it's sometimes difficult to tell what's sarcasm on the internet, but all it would have taken is reading some of the other posts in the thread to figure it out.
 
2013-05-08 02:12:48 PM

Liinda: 99.998er: MelGoesOnTour: I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

Yes, I wonder what on earth could possibly deter these women from just walking away whistling. I am sure the threats of torture and death of not only them, but perhaps even the little girl were never taken seriously. Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.

I often wonder why people make ludicrous, hateful remarks like this. My thinking is that last statement is your own personal fantasy that you're too weak and ashamed to claim so you project it to another human being for the sick thrill of uttering your secret, personal words, 99.998er.


New to English?
 
2013-05-08 02:13:33 PM
Normally I am totally against criminal punishment involving any sort of revenge or payback. Justice should be quick, efficient and impartial.

But in cases like these... I mean seriously, a decade of rape? There is nothing that could be done to these bastards that I would consider unfair. They deserve the worst. The absolute worst. It's simply unfathomable. If there was ever a case for the death penalty, this is certainly it IMHO.
 
2013-05-08 02:13:37 PM
Grumpy Cat:
My husband and I are both on reddit, though I barely use it. He recently joined and is getting more into it.

Fly, you fools.  Or at least stay away from the main page.  What a waste of time that site is.

Slaves2Darkness:
You would think humans would be resilient, they would be strong, that they could withstand a little torture, rape, and humiliation. You would be wrong. First thing is that with rape it takes away a persons power and their is the insidious thought that they deserved, that no one would ever want them again, that they are garbage. On top of this getting beaten, humiliated, and threatened with death for the smallest violation of the rules and rewarded or just not beaten for compliance and the human mind can be conditioned to accept imprisonment.

Aaaand this is why Elizabeth Smart is right, and we need to deep-six the premise that rape victims are "permanently ruined" etc. ASAP.  It's not that it's not a traumatic violation that does keep affecting survivors long after it happens, it's that it doesn't have to define them as "damaged" (in whatever sense of the term, the Judeo-Christian-Muslim tarnished-virtue variety merely being the most reprehensible) for the rest of their life.  Human beings != chewing gum.
 
2013-05-08 02:15:31 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Of course she's happy and eating popsicles. She's 6 and has NO CLUE what's been going on!

Watch Ramsay's interview with Anderson Cooper in the Video tab. She was crying out for her Dad while this chick was trying to escape.

This Amanda woman was raped for 10 years and had to lie for 6 of them EVERY SINGLE DAY to her kid about how things were fine so the kid could grow up well adjusted.

She's got more balls then I'll ever have in 100 lifetimes.


This is the first I've heard of this case, but this is probably the most amazing thing I've ever heard. That mom deserves a medal.
 
2013-05-08 02:18:43 PM

durbnpoisn: muwaryer: durbnpoisn: You know what I'm really confused about?  And this really stems from all the cases we've heard of lately where someone has been kept captive for years on end...

Who is funding this?  It costs quite a lot to feed and house a single person on a single salary.  How do you manage 3 captives on top of that.  Hoe do you manage a baby on top of THAT?!  We're talking food, clothes, utility expenses, etc...  And this guy was a bus driver.  And he got fired last year after multiple suspensions.

Something is seriously missing from this picture.

//Well...  Lots of things.  That's just one.

Well, you've got to figure that he's got the house he paid $12,000 for in the early 90s.  If he even has a mortgage on that house, it's probably minimal and he'd be paying that (and utilities) anyway.  Beyond that, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that these girls didn't have a particularly extravagant lifestyle.


Ok, I'll give you a point for the humor...  But there is still a lot that seems to be left off the ledger.  Especially if there are really more than 1 kid.  Like...  How does this guy go shopping for all these people?  Feminine hygene products, baby food, clothes...  And NO ONE asks any questions?  We can only imagine he either sent his brothers out for the shopping, or he went across the lake to Canada.  And still, my point is, it still adds up to a lot of money, even if he isn't paying a mortgage.  Far more than a school bus driver in Cleveland is making.


Pure speculation, but his two brothers were in on it as well. So there's two other potential streams of revenue.
 
2013-05-08 02:20:03 PM

durbnpoisn: Ok, I'll give you a point for the humor...  But there is still a lot that seems to be left off the ledger.  Especially if there are really more than 1 kid.  Like...  How does this guy go shopping for all these people?  Feminine hygene products, baby food, clothes...  And NO ONE asks any questions?  We can only imagine he either sent his brothers out for the shopping, or he went across the lake to Canada.  And still, my point is, it still adds up to a lot of money, even if he isn't paying a mortgage.  Far more than a school bus driver in Cleveland is making.


You don't need any of those things to keep sex slaves.

A bucket of water and a bar of soap and you're done.  Feed em with scraps from dinner and maybe some instant noodles.  You're trying to put yourself into their heads and think about what you would need to provide were you to keep people chained up in a basement.  That just doesn't work, these people have no humanity.
 
2013-05-08 02:22:34 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Of course she's happy and eating popsicles. She's 6 and has NO CLUE what's been going on!

Watch Ramsay's interview with Anderson Cooper in the Video tab. She was crying out for her Dad while this chick was trying to escape.

This Amanda woman was raped for 10 years and had to lie for 6 of them EVERY SINGLE DAY to her kid about how things were fine so the kid could grow up well adjusted.

She's got more balls then I'll ever have in 100 lifetimes.


unrealitymag.com
 
2013-05-08 02:24:44 PM
Cytokine Storm:
these people have no humanity.

Oh I dunno... their behaviour was probably within a few sigmas of the mean, the problem is that humans are often pretty ghastly.
 
2013-05-08 02:40:14 PM

RenownedCurator: Grumpy Cat, I don't know if you're still reading this, but if you are -- the Charley Project does have an entry for Leanne Hausberg, but also says that "little information is available in her case." The woman who runs Charley is pretty involved with it, and if there's more information about her that your husband or her mother would like to get out there, emailing the admin there should do it. Good luck -- I really hope you find her.




Thanks. I'll pass this along. You never know.
 
2013-05-08 02:46:30 PM
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-08 02:58:44 PM
images.mirror.co.uk

I can't believe no one went there.
 
2013-05-08 03:08:47 PM

cman: Mangoose: Is it weird that they didn't blur out her face? Everyone has been blurring out her face, why not now? Thought it was a privacy issue?

Maybe the mother decided that it was ok for them to show the young ones face.


American papers do not blur children's faces - papers from the UK do by law. You probably saw the blurred kid on the UK Daily Mail.
 
2013-05-08 03:34:36 PM

RenownedCurator: Grumpy Cat, I don't know if you're still reading this, but if you are -- the Charley Project does have an entry for Leanne Hausberg, but also says that "little information is available in her case." The woman who runs Charley is pretty involved with it, and if there's more information about her that your husband or her mother would like to get out there, emailing the admin there should do it. Good luck -- I really hope you find her.


Grumpy Cat

For what it's worth - I bumped up her thread on Websleuths for you.  I don't know if there is any more information than what is posted but RenownedCurator is right, anything might help even a little bit...

I am so sorry to hear about Leanne.  My worst nightmare has always been my daughter vanishing like this.  I don't think I could handle it.
 
2013-05-08 03:39:48 PM
 
2013-05-08 03:40:46 PM

Cytokine Storm: A bucket of water and a bar of soap and you're done. Feed em with scraps from dinner and maybe some instant noodles.



Right.  For all we know, they were kept naked or had a single outfit each and lived off of ramen noodles and whatever leftover scraps he threw at them.  The bastards probably kept them half-starved so they wouldn't get fat and be more likely to miscarry when they got pregnant.  I'll bet the costs would be minimal if you treated them like animals.
 
2013-05-08 03:53:54 PM

itazurakko: catmandu: And one more interesting coincidence: The center for Missing and Exploited Children had their annual dinner last night where they gave their Hope Award to Jaycee Dugard. She is probably the one person who understands best what these women went through. She took the millions of compensation money paid by California and created a foundation to help found kidnap victims recover and also help the victims and their families reconnect and move forward. I hope that these three women and their families take advantage of the wisdom she and her family and the experts can offer them.

That is one sorority nobody wants to belong to, but at least other recovering victims can relate to someone who has been through something similar.

When I heard a story about that on NPR this morning I was thinking that hopefully the FBI, etc can put these women together - plus the various people who suffered this in Austria, also.  As you say, it's probably the best kind of talk therapy they can possibly get right now, someone who knows exactly what it is and is farther along on the way out.

I can definitely understand asking why they didn't escape earlier, because the psychology of it all is horribly fascinating (and stories like these happen often enough, sadly, that there's definitely some pattern to it).  Hopefully some information does come out.

Makes me wonder what changed this week that made the escape possible, same reason.


my horrible theory is that the six year old was allowed to live because it was being groomed to be sold as a sex slave to a pediphile in part of a greater underground sex trade ring.

during the raising period, threats of violence to the child would keep the mother in line. once mother found out that her daughter was to sold and subjected to the same fate, a mothers instinct took over and escape had to be made possible
 
2013-05-08 03:55:21 PM

Wild Eyed and Wicked: RenownedCurator: Grumpy Cat, I don't know if you're still reading this, but if you are -- the Charley Project does have an entry for Leanne Hausberg, but also says that "little information is available in her case." The woman who runs Charley is pretty involved with it, and if there's more information about her that your husband or her mother would like to get out there, emailing the admin there should do it. Good luck -- I really hope you find her.

Grumpy Cat

For what it's worth - I bumped up her thread on Websleuths for you.  I don't know if there is any more information than what is posted but RenownedCurator is right, anything might help even a little bit...

I am so sorry to hear about Leanne.  My worst nightmare has always been my daughter vanishing like this.  I don't think I could handle it.




Thank you so much. My husband and his family are private people, but it doesn't mean they haven't been looking. There have been televised pleas. Any new avenue is great, though. And any extra effort we can get into this is much appreciated.
 
2013-05-08 04:12:30 PM

Grumpy Cat: Wild Eyed and Wicked: RenownedCurator: Grumpy Cat, I don't know if you're still reading this, but if you are -- the Charley Project does have an entry for Leanne Hausberg, but also says that "little information is available in her case." The woman who runs Charley is pretty involved with it, and if there's more information about her that your husband or her mother would like to get out there, emailing the admin there should do it. Good luck -- I really hope you find her.

Grumpy Cat

For what it's worth - I bumped up her thread on Websleuths for you.  I don't know if there is any more information than what is posted but RenownedCurator is right, anything might help even a little bit...

I am so sorry to hear about Leanne.  My worst nightmare has always been my daughter vanishing like this.  I don't think I could handle it.

Thank you so much. My husband and his family are private people, but it doesn't mean they haven't been looking. There have been televised pleas. Any new avenue is great, though. And any extra effort we can get into this is much appreciated.


You are welcome - Websleuths has a few people over there that have been able to do some amazing things with missing and unidentified people.  I do not go there often but there are a few cases that I watch on a regular basis.  Charley is also pretty comprehensive and Megan is always open to getting more info on her cases.  I completely understand being private, but the details are so slim on this it makes it very difficult to do much...
 
2013-05-08 04:20:45 PM

Wild Eyed and Wicked: Grumpy Cat: Wild Eyed and Wicked: RenownedCurator: Grumpy Cat, I don't know if you're still reading this, but if you are -- the Charley Project does have an entry for Leanne Hausberg, but also says that "little information is available in her case." The woman who runs Charley is pretty involved with it, and if there's more information about her that your husband or her mother would like to get out there, emailing the admin there should do it. Good luck -- I really hope you find her.

Grumpy Cat

For what it's worth - I bumped up her thread on Websleuths for you.  I don't know if there is any more information than what is posted but RenownedCurator is right, anything might help even a little bit...

I am so sorry to hear about Leanne.  My worst nightmare has always been my daughter vanishing like this.  I don't think I could handle it.

Thank you so much. My husband and his family are private people, but it doesn't mean they haven't been looking. There have been televised pleas. Any new avenue is great, though. And any extra effort we can get into this is much appreciated.

You are welcome - Websleuths has a few people over there that have been able to do some amazing things with missing and unidentified people.  I do not go there often but there are a few cases that I watch on a regular basis.  Charley is also pretty comprehensive and Megan is always open to getting more info on her cases.  I completely understand being private, but the details are so slim on this it makes it very difficult to do much...




The details are sparse. I think she ran away with help and it turned into something worse. But, we have so little to go on. A diary and some testimony by scared/unreliable people.
 
2013-05-08 04:55:49 PM

dustygrimp: It takes a special kind of shiat stain to troll a thread about this story.


THIS
 
2013-05-08 04:57:40 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

Ohhh, you think frozen desserts are your ally. But you merely adopted the popsicles. I was raised on them, molded by them. I didn't see green vegetables until I was nearly a man. By then they were nothing to me but foul tasting.

Sugar betrays you, because it belongs to me.
 
2013-05-08 05:02:38 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: Liinda: 99.998er: MelGoesOnTour: I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

Yes, I wonder what on earth could possibly deter these women from just walking away whistling. I am sure the threats of torture and death of not only them, but perhaps even the little girl were never taken seriously. Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.

I often wonder why people make ludicrous, hateful remarks like this. My thinking is that last statement is your own personal fantasy that you're too weak and ashamed to claim so you project it to another human being for the sick thrill of uttering your secret, personal words, 99.998er.

You do realize it was a sarcastic response to MelGoesOnTour's remark about things not adding up and not really believing a full grown adult woman wouldn't have tried to escape earlier right?

I know it's sometimes difficult to tell what's sarcasm on the internet, but all it would have taken is reading some of the other posts in the thread to figure it out.


Damn. I read it and thought he was agreeing. It was so objectionable I responded and quit reading.

Sincere apologies if I misread the intent.
 
2013-05-08 06:25:09 PM
Police are only charging the one brother, Ariel. Apparently, the other 2 brothers were not involved.
 
2013-05-08 08:21:46 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Of course she's happy and eating popsicles. She's 6 and has NO CLUE what's been going on!

Watch Ramsay's interview with Anderson Cooper in the Video tab. She was crying out for her Dad while this chick was trying to escape.

This Amanda woman was raped for 10 years and had to lie for 6 of them EVERY SINGLE DAY to her kid about how things were fine so the kid could grow up well adjusted.

She's got more balls then I'll ever have in 100 lifetimes.


She still ain't gonna grow up well adjusted. Either they let her keep thinking the first six years of her life was completely normal and let that fark her up until she finds out that she was actually born in a rape dungeon or they get started on the whole deprogramming and adjusting to healthy relationships thing. Either way it's going to be somewhat ugly.
 
2013-05-08 09:21:20 PM
Subby, and ex-hostage/prisoner here.
I believe in the death penalty, but in this case, life, no hope for parole, would be nice.
Plus, visitation rights from a lab gorilla zacked up on Viagra and steroids, if you can swing it.
 
2013-05-08 10:47:16 PM

Deucednuisance: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: What ARE you babbling about?

And here I was, just now, thinking that I used to think you were just a hobbyist crank, havin' a little fun, here most days, but lately I've been thinking, yanno, maybe he really is homeless in OC, wandering Fark, like he does the streets going on about what fevered notion pops into his head and frightening the children and wimmenfolk.

What a coinkydink, huh?

(Hint: I summarized as best I could some of Rush's nonsense, and opined that in a sane world he'd have been tranquilized and drug offstage.  Sorry you couldn't follow.  Rush'll do that to ya.)


You said:  "It's hard to tell in a way, because it's his usual stream of unconsciousness, but I think he's trying to say that since these guys are Hispanic, they kidnapped the girls on purpose to make Welfare Babies to steal money from Real `Merkins and are therefore, obviously, Obama supporters.

I don't listen to Limbaugh all that much, but I seriously doubt that he said that. Could you, you know, give some evidence for that statement? Or was it just typical libtard babble? Citation of just STFU when the adults are talking. Please.

By the way, know how I know that you haven't been paying attention? The wife and I haven't been homeless since last August - a pleasant circumstance that I have mentioned probably several dozen times here on Fark.

>>>>>lately I've been thinking, yanno, maybe he really is homeless in OC, wandering Fark, like he does the streets going on about what fevered notion pops into his head and frightening the children and wimmenfolk

Love your little stereotyping there. This must be some of that famous liberal compassion and understanding you guys are so famous for. BTW, I can also tell you've never actually met any homeless people. Guess what? With several notable exceptions, they're just like everyone else.

BTW, I was laughing and telling my wife about your posts. She's basically a huge safety net socialist and thinks the government has to do more for lots of groups (we have great discussions, because she's rational about that). She also, like me, voted for Obama. Anyway, she basically tells me just now that the main thing she hates about other liberals is they thing they are farking mind-readers of everyone else, assigning stupid motives to their political enemies. So even some liberals, apparently, think a lot of you guys are braindead arrogant assholes and just plain douchy.

Or 12-14 year old boys trolling and being "with it" and kewl (progressivism is the new in thang for all the kids; impresses the crap out of the girls [why yes, I DID get lots of pussy in the 60s and 70s by being one of those radical types; even had an old army jacket with a peace sign on it]) from daddy's computer.
 
2013-05-08 11:04:47 PM

fireclown: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: willfullyobscure: even money these guys were Goreans. if there's any hateful cult that needs to be confronted with violent prejudice, it's that one.

Wonder if the girls had "kajira" brands.

Great job.  You just made this ickier.


Thank you.

Hey, if you're gonna GO GOR you should do it up right.

/The Priest Kings demand that it be so.
 
2013-05-08 11:36:22 PM

lewismarktwo: On the Side: Give them life in prison, among the general population and let it be known to the other prisoners that death is too good for these guys and blind eyes will be turned.

Nah. Too easy.  Life solitary with 'accidental' exposure to inmates every year on the anniversary of the girls' disappearances.


do it right, stick them in the women's genpop
 
2013-05-09 03:51:26 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Thank you.

Hey, if you're gonna GO GOR you should do it up right.

/The Priest Kings demand that it be so.


Ah, Gor. The Erotic Diaperfurs of the BDSM world.
 
2013-05-09 11:11:34 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: I don't listen to Limbaugh all that much, but I seriously doubt that he said that. Could you, you know, give some evidence for that statement? Or was it just typical libtard babble? Citation of just STFU when the adults are talking. Please.


Hey, Asshole.

I linked to the farking video of him saying it in the very post you quoted.  STFU, yourself, for once.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Love your little stereotyping there.


It's your handle, and it's your writing that makes the character that you choose to portray.  It's not my fault that that character is a jerk.  Don't like how you're received, here?  Try a little editing.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: she basically tells me just now that the main thing she hates about other liberals is they thing they are farking mind-readers


The only thing I've "read" here is what you write.  Unlike you, because somehow you've missed a video link in a post of mine that you've quoted, twice.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Or 12-14 year old boys trolling and being "with it" and kewl (progressivism is the new in thang for all the kids; impresses the crap out of the girls [why yes, I DID get lots of pussy in the 60s and 70s by being one of those radical types; even had an old army jacket with a peace sign on it]) from daddy's computer.


This is supposed to make me think that you don't just spout off whatever fevered notion pops into your head?

Try a little editing.
 
2013-05-09 11:19:56 AM
Aw, Fark it, correction time.

JAHOCG did not quote the link.

He's just missed it the three time it was posted or quoted within the hour before he posted the fifth reply to the remarks about the original link.  Which means he had the opportunity to read it from me, and see the link about the video he claims wasn't provided quoted by two other posters, as well as my offending commentary, before he opened his pie-hole.

Not sure that's better, but my earlier rant contained inaccuracies, so, Management regrets the error.

That said, I stand by my remarks about how he chooses to conduct himself, here.
 
2013-05-09 11:29:25 AM

hardinparamedic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Thank you.

Hey, if you're gonna GO GOR you should do it up right.

/The Priest Kings demand that it be so.

Ah, Gor. The Erotic Diaperfurs of the BDSM world.


LOL!
 
2013-05-09 11:54:27 AM

Deucednuisance: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: I don't listen to Limbaugh all that much, but I seriously doubt that he said that. Could you, you know, give some evidence for that statement? Or was it just typical libtard babble? Citation of just STFU when the adults are talking. Please.

Hey, Asshole.

I linked to the farking video of him saying it in the very post you quoted.  STFU, yourself, for once.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Love your little stereotyping there.

It's your handle, and it's your writing that makes the character that you choose to portray.  It's not my fault that that character is a jerk.  Don't like how you're received, here?  Try a little editing.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: she basically tells me just now that the main thing she hates about other liberals is they thing they are farking mind-readers

The only thing I've "read" here is what you write.  Unlike you, because somehow you've missed a video link in a post of mine that you've quoted, twice.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Or 12-14 year old boys trolling and being "with it" and kewl (progressivism is the new in thang for all the kids; impresses the crap out of the girls [why yes, I DID get lots of pussy in the 60s and 70s by being one of those radical types; even had an old army jacket with a peace sign on it]) from daddy's computer.

This is supposed to make me think that you don't just spout off whatever fevered notion pops into your head?

Try a little editing.


>>>>>>>Hey, Asshole.

Ooohhhh, I must have struck a nerve there. You mad bro? LOL!

>>>>I linked to the farking video of him saying it in the very post you quoted.

Um..... no, you didn't. That isn't what he said. What he was saying was stupid, granted (comparing the Cleveland thing to an old Hawaii 5 0 show), but he didn't say what you said. But your link was to Media Matters. Such an objective source (that's sarcasm). Media Matters suffers from leftie Drudgeism (inflammatory headlines that often do not match the actual contents of the article). I may be wrong, but I'd bet that you simply read the headline and ran with it. Try actually reading the transcript or listening to the audio.

BTW, It would be sooooo helpful if you could learn to, you know, actually use the link tools provided by Fark. Like this.

>>>>>>It's your handle, and it's your writing that makes the character that you choose to portray.

You assume that I am portraying a character? Seriously? As in role play? Is that a projection? LOL!

  >>>>>The only thing I've "read" here is what you write.Au contraire mon cheri. Every word dribbled from your keyboard shows that you constantly base your "thinking" on stereotypes, ascribe motives based on stereotypes, and assume the worst possible motives of your targets. That, in my book, is mind reading.


 
2013-05-09 11:57:24 AM
http://mediamatters.org/video/2013/05/07/limbaugh-connects-cleveland-k idnappers-to-obama/193946

Ok, deucednuisance, I'm gonna apologize to you on the link comment. Didn't work for me either. I get a "Throwing away URL because its web server didn't send a 'Content-Type:' header: http://mediamatters.org/video/2013/05/07/limbaugh-connects-cleveland- k idnappers-to-obama/193946: 403 Forbidden" msg from Fark.
 
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