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2013-05-08 01:10:56 PM  

nekom: MelGoesOnTour: I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

One article does mention chains.  It's also quite likely that he had a fortified dungeon of some sort.  He may well also have deployed mind control techniques, threatening to kill their family or things of that nature.


I read another article that detailed how the men would pretend to have left the girls alone and then torture them for any attempt at escape. Also they were beaten to miscarry their pregnancies. We can't even imagine what these girls went through.
 
2013-05-08 01:11:15 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Perducci: "Tomba said investigators were working to determine if the girl had ever left the house, but said she likely would have gone unnoticed by police who were not looking for a child."

They apparently weren't looking for the teens/adults much either.


"On Monday evening, Berry began screaming from behind the locked front door of the home where she and the other women were being held. Neighbors heard her and held kick open the door and then called police, ending what one FBI agent called the women's "nightmare. " "

I'm really curious about the conditions these women were held in.  Was it a locked, sound-proof bunker where they were never allowed to leave?  Was it a fairly normal house, but the women feared for their lives about trying to escape?  Was at least one of the brothers always present, 24 hours a day, every day?...  It's fascinating that it took this long for one of captives to shout for help, so there must have been some sort of barrier, whether physical or mental.

You would think humans would be resilient, they would be strong, that they could withstand a little torture, rape, and humiliation. You would be wrong. First thing is that with rape it takes away a persons power and their is the insidious thought that they deserved, that no one would ever want them again, that they are garbage. On top of this getting beaten, humiliated, and threatened with death for the smallest violation of the rules and rewarded or just not beaten for compliance and the human mind can be conditioned to accept imprisonment.



This phenomenon has been extensively studied in rodents, primates and human beings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness
 
2013-05-08 01:13:15 PM  

ReverendJasen: FTA: "It's a good possibility one of them is [the father]," Tomba said.

Are they stupid?  Unless she gave birth to a reincarnated female Jesus, it's approximately a 100% possibility one of these three cocksuckers is the father.  She didn't leave captivity for 10 years.


Unless they farmed the ladies out to their sick fark buddies.
 
2013-05-08 01:14:05 PM  

Citrate1007: So in 10 years it never occurred to any of them to scream?  Seems like the neighbor wasn't that far away.


So what's your hypothesis, then? That they collectively decided that they were having the ultimate getaway so why screw it up? Seriously, let us know where you're trying to take this line of thought. I'm sure that it will be entirely fascinating to the rest of us.
 
2013-05-08 01:15:55 PM  
Grumpy Cat, I don't know if you're still reading this, but if you are -- the Charley Project does have an entry for Leanne Hausberg, but also says that "little information is available in her case." The woman who runs Charley is pretty involved with it, and if there's more information about her that your husband or her mother would like to get out there, emailing the admin there should do it. Good luck -- I really hope you find her.
 
2013-05-08 01:17:24 PM  

Endive Wombat: I know there will be a book or three telling the horrors of the rape basement...and I cannot wait to read about it.

I am fascinated  (and sickened) by how someone can try and justify keeping sex slaves for 10+ years locked away like that...blows my mind...

If their trial gets aired, it ought to be interesting.  I am going to suspect that they may plead insanity because "I am a sadistic, evil cock, please show me mercy" will not bode well with the jury.  Everyone deserves a fair trial, but damn...I would not want to be their public defender.


I read this. I'll likely never read it again. Similar-type stuff.
 
2013-05-08 01:18:49 PM  
You know what I'm really confused about?  And this really stems from all the cases we've heard of lately where someone has been kept captive for years on end...

Who is funding this?  It costs quite a lot to feed and house a single person on a single salary.  How do you manage 3 captives on top of that.  Hoe do you manage a baby on top of THAT?!  We're talking food, clothes, utility expenses, etc...  And this guy was a bus driver.  And he got fired last year after multiple suspensions.

Something is seriously missing from this picture.

//Well...  Lots of things.  That's just one.
 
2013-05-08 01:22:24 PM  

durbnpoisn: You know what I'm really confused about?  And this really stems from all the cases we've heard of lately where someone has been kept captive for years on end...

Who is funding this?  It costs quite a lot to feed and house a single person on a single salary.  How do you manage 3 captives on top of that.  Hoe do you manage a baby on top of THAT?!  We're talking food, clothes, utility expenses, etc...  And this guy was a bus driver.  And he got fired last year after multiple suspensions.

Something is seriously missing from this picture.

//Well...  Lots of things.  That's just one.


Well, you've got to figure that he's got the house he paid $12,000 for in the early 90s.  If he even has a mortgage on that house, it's probably minimal and he'd be paying that (and utilities) anyway.  Beyond that, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that these girls didn't have a particularly extravagant lifestyle.
 
2013-05-08 01:25:39 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Did I say I was blaming the victim, No I did not. Did I say that I was excusing a criminal for their behavior, no. You have heard the rule of assumptions, please be respectful of that. It is funny of all the intelligent people on FARK, so many of them are willing run frantically for their pitchforks and torches because the media is great at smacking the bees nest and watch the lemmings fall into line.

May I be wrong, yes. May i be right, yes. The fact is you don't know, but much like you I have an opinion, and in my opinion something does not add up.


Ah yes, "something does not add up" and of course, you are "just asking questions".

You realize that this is the mantra of the conspiracy theorist, right?

If you really think that something doesn't add up, go out and find out the details. Dig through police reports, and news reports, and what have you, and then come back with the data you've gathered. Make a good faith effort (meaning not just looking for questions and gaps) to answer whatever questions you have buzzing around in your head.

But don't just stand around Fark asking "questions" that have pretty obvious answers to the rest of us just because you, personally, have a touch of paranoia when it comes to media reports. (Mind you, I am curious to know what you think either the media or the police could get out of fabricating any of this, but I'll let that pass.) It makes you sound dismissive of the very real violence that's been done to these women.
 
2013-05-08 01:32:21 PM  

Theaetetus: orclover: The kids are farked.  The kidnap victims are farked.  The only people not farked is the kidnappers because they will serve less time in jail than their victims.  They should be on the court house porch being burned at the stake.

Wouldn't that be much less time then?


but the time would be like dog years. feel that burn baby
 
2013-05-08 01:35:55 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: willfullyobscure: even money these guys were Goreans. if there's any hateful cult that needs to be confronted with violent prejudice, it's that one.

Wonder if the girls had "kajira" brands.


dude.
 
2013-05-08 01:41:37 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: willfullyobscure: even money these guys were Goreans. if there's any hateful cult that needs to be confronted with violent prejudice, it's that one.

Wonder if the girls had "kajira" brands.


Great job.  You just made this ickier.
 
2013-05-08 01:43:01 PM  

muwaryer: durbnpoisn: You know what I'm really confused about?  And this really stems from all the cases we've heard of lately where someone has been kept captive for years on end...

Who is funding this?  It costs quite a lot to feed and house a single person on a single salary.  How do you manage 3 captives on top of that.  Hoe do you manage a baby on top of THAT?!  We're talking food, clothes, utility expenses, etc...  And this guy was a bus driver.  And he got fired last year after multiple suspensions.

Something is seriously missing from this picture.

//Well...  Lots of things.  That's just one.

Well, you've got to figure that he's got the house he paid $12,000 for in the early 90s.  If he even has a mortgage on that house, it's probably minimal and he'd be paying that (and utilities) anyway.  Beyond that, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that these girls didn't have a particularly extravagant lifestyle.



Ok, I'll give you a point for the humor...  But there is still a lot that seems to be left off the ledger.  Especially if there are really more than 1 kid.  Like...  How does this guy go shopping for all these people?  Feminine hygene products, baby food, clothes...  And NO ONE asks any questions?  We can only imagine he either sent his brothers out for the shopping, or he went across the lake to Canada.  And still, my point is, it still adds up to a lot of money, even if he isn't paying a mortgage.  Far more than a school bus driver in Cleveland is making.
 
2013-05-08 01:47:22 PM  

Robert1966: How'd her mom get the popsicles up there?


They could have stuck one in the kid's mouth as she was headed out.
 
2013-05-08 01:50:27 PM  
It takes a special kind of shiat stain to troll a thread about this story.
 
2013-05-08 01:55:29 PM  

99.998er: MelGoesOnTour: I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

Yes, I wonder what on earth could possibly deter these women from just walking away whistling. I am sure the threats of torture and death of not only them, but perhaps even the little girl were never taken seriously. Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.


I often wonder why people make ludicrous, hateful remarks like this. My thinking is that last statement is your own personal fantasy that you're too weak and ashamed to claim so you project it to another human being for the sick thrill of uttering your secret, personal words, 99.998er.
 
2013-05-08 01:58:41 PM  
I just watched a decent movie that has some disturbing parallels to this case.  It shows some of the type of abuse (mental and physical) that victims might have to endure and that keeps them from trying to escape..

The Factory - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1132285/  (available on Netflix streaming)

I'm sure, however, it doesn't even scratch the surface of the horror that the 3 women in Cleveland endured.  I can't even think of an appropriate punishment for the kidnappers that would in any way cause them the level of anguish they inflicted on their victims..
 
2013-05-08 02:00:55 PM  

Liinda: 99.998er: MelGoesOnTour: I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

Yes, I wonder what on earth could possibly deter these women from just walking away whistling. I am sure the threats of torture and death of not only them, but perhaps even the little girl were never taken seriously. Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.

I often wonder why people make ludicrous, hateful remarks like this. My thinking is that last statement is your own personal fantasy that you're too weak and ashamed to claim so you project it to another human being for the sick thrill of uttering your secret, personal words, 99.998er.


I'm pretty sure this is his attempt at satire/sarcasm.  Using ugliness to expose the previous poster's implied argument
 
2013-05-08 02:01:25 PM  

durbnpoisn: muwaryer: durbnpoisn: You know what I'm really confused about?  And this really stems from all the cases we've heard of lately where someone has been kept captive for years on end...

Who is funding this?  It costs quite a lot to feed and house a single person on a single salary.  How do you manage 3 captives on top of that.  Hoe do you manage a baby on top of THAT?!  We're talking food, clothes, utility expenses, etc...  And this guy was a bus driver.  And he got fired last year after multiple suspensions.

Something is seriously missing from this picture.

//Well...  Lots of things.  That's just one.

Well, you've got to figure that he's got the house he paid $12,000 for in the early 90s.  If he even has a mortgage on that house, it's probably minimal and he'd be paying that (and utilities) anyway.  Beyond that, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that these girls didn't have a particularly extravagant lifestyle.


Ok, I'll give you a point for the humor...  But there is still a lot that seems to be left off the ledger.  Especially if there are really more than 1 kid.  Like...  How does this guy go shopping for all these people?  Feminine hygene products, baby food, clothes...  And NO ONE asks any questions?  We can only imagine he either sent his brothers out for the shopping, or he went across the lake to Canada.  And still, my point is, it still adds up to a lot of money, even if he isn't paying a mortgage.  Far more than a school bus driver in Cleveland is making.


I understand your point, but I also think that you're making some assumptions about their lifestyle.  Understand that I readily admit that I also am making assumptions and have no idea of the specifics.  Yes, it would cost something.  However, it's quite possible that they really did live a purely subsistence life-style (I wasn't  entirely going for humor in the post above).  If you calculate living expenses with the assumptions of someone who cares about those he is supporting (good food, clean clothes, good hygiene, etc.), yes, it would be expensive.  But for all we know they got new clothes once a year, and even then it was from a thrift store.  Their food may have been just barely adequate to keep them alive and functioning.  Honestly, I'm not sure it would cost all that much to merely keep someone alive but living in squalor.

And I'm not sure I want to think too much about how me might have earned some extra income to help pay his expenses.
 
2013-05-08 02:03:57 PM  

Liinda: 99.998er: MelGoesOnTour: I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

Yes, I wonder what on earth could possibly deter these women from just walking away whistling. I am sure the threats of torture and death of not only them, but perhaps even the little girl were never taken seriously. Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.

I often wonder why people make ludicrous, hateful remarks like this. My thinking is that last statement is your own personal fantasy that you're too weak and ashamed to claim so you project it to another human being for the sick thrill of uttering your secret, personal words, 99.998er.


You do realize it was a sarcastic response to MelGoesOnTour's remark about things not adding up and not really believing a full grown adult woman wouldn't have tried to escape earlier right?

I know it's sometimes difficult to tell what's sarcasm on the internet, but all it would have taken is reading some of the other posts in the thread to figure it out.
 
2013-05-08 02:12:48 PM  

Liinda: 99.998er: MelGoesOnTour: I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

Yes, I wonder what on earth could possibly deter these women from just walking away whistling. I am sure the threats of torture and death of not only them, but perhaps even the little girl were never taken seriously. Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.

I often wonder why people make ludicrous, hateful remarks like this. My thinking is that last statement is your own personal fantasy that you're too weak and ashamed to claim so you project it to another human being for the sick thrill of uttering your secret, personal words, 99.998er.


New to English?
 
2013-05-08 02:13:33 PM  
Normally I am totally against criminal punishment involving any sort of revenge or payback. Justice should be quick, efficient and impartial.

But in cases like these... I mean seriously, a decade of rape? There is nothing that could be done to these bastards that I would consider unfair. They deserve the worst. The absolute worst. It's simply unfathomable. If there was ever a case for the death penalty, this is certainly it IMHO.
 
2013-05-08 02:13:37 PM  
Grumpy Cat:
My husband and I are both on reddit, though I barely use it. He recently joined and is getting more into it.

Fly, you fools.  Or at least stay away from the main page.  What a waste of time that site is.

Slaves2Darkness:
You would think humans would be resilient, they would be strong, that they could withstand a little torture, rape, and humiliation. You would be wrong. First thing is that with rape it takes away a persons power and their is the insidious thought that they deserved, that no one would ever want them again, that they are garbage. On top of this getting beaten, humiliated, and threatened with death for the smallest violation of the rules and rewarded or just not beaten for compliance and the human mind can be conditioned to accept imprisonment.

Aaaand this is why Elizabeth Smart is right, and we need to deep-six the premise that rape victims are "permanently ruined" etc. ASAP.  It's not that it's not a traumatic violation that does keep affecting survivors long after it happens, it's that it doesn't have to define them as "damaged" (in whatever sense of the term, the Judeo-Christian-Muslim tarnished-virtue variety merely being the most reprehensible) for the rest of their life.  Human beings != chewing gum.
 
2013-05-08 02:15:31 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Of course she's happy and eating popsicles. She's 6 and has NO CLUE what's been going on!

Watch Ramsay's interview with Anderson Cooper in the Video tab. She was crying out for her Dad while this chick was trying to escape.

This Amanda woman was raped for 10 years and had to lie for 6 of them EVERY SINGLE DAY to her kid about how things were fine so the kid could grow up well adjusted.

She's got more balls then I'll ever have in 100 lifetimes.


This is the first I've heard of this case, but this is probably the most amazing thing I've ever heard. That mom deserves a medal.
 
2013-05-08 02:18:43 PM  

durbnpoisn: muwaryer: durbnpoisn: You know what I'm really confused about?  And this really stems from all the cases we've heard of lately where someone has been kept captive for years on end...

Who is funding this?  It costs quite a lot to feed and house a single person on a single salary.  How do you manage 3 captives on top of that.  Hoe do you manage a baby on top of THAT?!  We're talking food, clothes, utility expenses, etc...  And this guy was a bus driver.  And he got fired last year after multiple suspensions.

Something is seriously missing from this picture.

//Well...  Lots of things.  That's just one.

Well, you've got to figure that he's got the house he paid $12,000 for in the early 90s.  If he even has a mortgage on that house, it's probably minimal and he'd be paying that (and utilities) anyway.  Beyond that, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that these girls didn't have a particularly extravagant lifestyle.


Ok, I'll give you a point for the humor...  But there is still a lot that seems to be left off the ledger.  Especially if there are really more than 1 kid.  Like...  How does this guy go shopping for all these people?  Feminine hygene products, baby food, clothes...  And NO ONE asks any questions?  We can only imagine he either sent his brothers out for the shopping, or he went across the lake to Canada.  And still, my point is, it still adds up to a lot of money, even if he isn't paying a mortgage.  Far more than a school bus driver in Cleveland is making.


Pure speculation, but his two brothers were in on it as well. So there's two other potential streams of revenue.
 
2013-05-08 02:20:03 PM  

durbnpoisn: Ok, I'll give you a point for the humor...  But there is still a lot that seems to be left off the ledger.  Especially if there are really more than 1 kid.  Like...  How does this guy go shopping for all these people?  Feminine hygene products, baby food, clothes...  And NO ONE asks any questions?  We can only imagine he either sent his brothers out for the shopping, or he went across the lake to Canada.  And still, my point is, it still adds up to a lot of money, even if he isn't paying a mortgage.  Far more than a school bus driver in Cleveland is making.


You don't need any of those things to keep sex slaves.

A bucket of water and a bar of soap and you're done.  Feed em with scraps from dinner and maybe some instant noodles.  You're trying to put yourself into their heads and think about what you would need to provide were you to keep people chained up in a basement.  That just doesn't work, these people have no humanity.
 
2013-05-08 02:22:34 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Of course she's happy and eating popsicles. She's 6 and has NO CLUE what's been going on!

Watch Ramsay's interview with Anderson Cooper in the Video tab. She was crying out for her Dad while this chick was trying to escape.

This Amanda woman was raped for 10 years and had to lie for 6 of them EVERY SINGLE DAY to her kid about how things were fine so the kid could grow up well adjusted.

She's got more balls then I'll ever have in 100 lifetimes.


unrealitymag.com
 
2013-05-08 02:24:44 PM  
Cytokine Storm:
these people have no humanity.

Oh I dunno... their behaviour was probably within a few sigmas of the mean, the problem is that humans are often pretty ghastly.
 
2013-05-08 02:40:14 PM  

RenownedCurator: Grumpy Cat, I don't know if you're still reading this, but if you are -- the Charley Project does have an entry for Leanne Hausberg, but also says that "little information is available in her case." The woman who runs Charley is pretty involved with it, and if there's more information about her that your husband or her mother would like to get out there, emailing the admin there should do it. Good luck -- I really hope you find her.




Thanks. I'll pass this along. You never know.
 
2013-05-08 02:46:30 PM  
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-08 02:58:44 PM  
images.mirror.co.uk

I can't believe no one went there.
 
2013-05-08 03:08:47 PM  

cman: Mangoose: Is it weird that they didn't blur out her face? Everyone has been blurring out her face, why not now? Thought it was a privacy issue?

Maybe the mother decided that it was ok for them to show the young ones face.


American papers do not blur children's faces - papers from the UK do by law. You probably saw the blurred kid on the UK Daily Mail.
 
2013-05-08 03:34:36 PM  

RenownedCurator: Grumpy Cat, I don't know if you're still reading this, but if you are -- the Charley Project does have an entry for Leanne Hausberg, but also says that "little information is available in her case." The woman who runs Charley is pretty involved with it, and if there's more information about her that your husband or her mother would like to get out there, emailing the admin there should do it. Good luck -- I really hope you find her.


Grumpy Cat

For what it's worth - I bumped up her thread on Websleuths for you.  I don't know if there is any more information than what is posted but RenownedCurator is right, anything might help even a little bit...

I am so sorry to hear about Leanne.  My worst nightmare has always been my daughter vanishing like this.  I don't think I could handle it.
 
2013-05-08 03:39:48 PM  
 
2013-05-08 03:40:46 PM  

Cytokine Storm: A bucket of water and a bar of soap and you're done. Feed em with scraps from dinner and maybe some instant noodles.



Right.  For all we know, they were kept naked or had a single outfit each and lived off of ramen noodles and whatever leftover scraps he threw at them.  The bastards probably kept them half-starved so they wouldn't get fat and be more likely to miscarry when they got pregnant.  I'll bet the costs would be minimal if you treated them like animals.
 
2013-05-08 03:53:54 PM  

itazurakko: catmandu: And one more interesting coincidence: The center for Missing and Exploited Children had their annual dinner last night where they gave their Hope Award to Jaycee Dugard. She is probably the one person who understands best what these women went through. She took the millions of compensation money paid by California and created a foundation to help found kidnap victims recover and also help the victims and their families reconnect and move forward. I hope that these three women and their families take advantage of the wisdom she and her family and the experts can offer them.

That is one sorority nobody wants to belong to, but at least other recovering victims can relate to someone who has been through something similar.

When I heard a story about that on NPR this morning I was thinking that hopefully the FBI, etc can put these women together - plus the various people who suffered this in Austria, also.  As you say, it's probably the best kind of talk therapy they can possibly get right now, someone who knows exactly what it is and is farther along on the way out.

I can definitely understand asking why they didn't escape earlier, because the psychology of it all is horribly fascinating (and stories like these happen often enough, sadly, that there's definitely some pattern to it).  Hopefully some information does come out.

Makes me wonder what changed this week that made the escape possible, same reason.


my horrible theory is that the six year old was allowed to live because it was being groomed to be sold as a sex slave to a pediphile in part of a greater underground sex trade ring.

during the raising period, threats of violence to the child would keep the mother in line. once mother found out that her daughter was to sold and subjected to the same fate, a mothers instinct took over and escape had to be made possible
 
2013-05-08 03:55:21 PM  

Wild Eyed and Wicked: RenownedCurator: Grumpy Cat, I don't know if you're still reading this, but if you are -- the Charley Project does have an entry for Leanne Hausberg, but also says that "little information is available in her case." The woman who runs Charley is pretty involved with it, and if there's more information about her that your husband or her mother would like to get out there, emailing the admin there should do it. Good luck -- I really hope you find her.

Grumpy Cat

For what it's worth - I bumped up her thread on Websleuths for you.  I don't know if there is any more information than what is posted but RenownedCurator is right, anything might help even a little bit...

I am so sorry to hear about Leanne.  My worst nightmare has always been my daughter vanishing like this.  I don't think I could handle it.




Thank you so much. My husband and his family are private people, but it doesn't mean they haven't been looking. There have been televised pleas. Any new avenue is great, though. And any extra effort we can get into this is much appreciated.
 
2013-05-08 04:12:30 PM  

Grumpy Cat: Wild Eyed and Wicked: RenownedCurator: Grumpy Cat, I don't know if you're still reading this, but if you are -- the Charley Project does have an entry for Leanne Hausberg, but also says that "little information is available in her case." The woman who runs Charley is pretty involved with it, and if there's more information about her that your husband or her mother would like to get out there, emailing the admin there should do it. Good luck -- I really hope you find her.

Grumpy Cat

For what it's worth - I bumped up her thread on Websleuths for you.  I don't know if there is any more information than what is posted but RenownedCurator is right, anything might help even a little bit...

I am so sorry to hear about Leanne.  My worst nightmare has always been my daughter vanishing like this.  I don't think I could handle it.

Thank you so much. My husband and his family are private people, but it doesn't mean they haven't been looking. There have been televised pleas. Any new avenue is great, though. And any extra effort we can get into this is much appreciated.


You are welcome - Websleuths has a few people over there that have been able to do some amazing things with missing and unidentified people.  I do not go there often but there are a few cases that I watch on a regular basis.  Charley is also pretty comprehensive and Megan is always open to getting more info on her cases.  I completely understand being private, but the details are so slim on this it makes it very difficult to do much...
 
2013-05-08 04:20:45 PM  

Wild Eyed and Wicked: Grumpy Cat: Wild Eyed and Wicked: RenownedCurator: Grumpy Cat, I don't know if you're still reading this, but if you are -- the Charley Project does have an entry for Leanne Hausberg, but also says that "little information is available in her case." The woman who runs Charley is pretty involved with it, and if there's more information about her that your husband or her mother would like to get out there, emailing the admin there should do it. Good luck -- I really hope you find her.

Grumpy Cat

For what it's worth - I bumped up her thread on Websleuths for you.  I don't know if there is any more information than what is posted but RenownedCurator is right, anything might help even a little bit...

I am so sorry to hear about Leanne.  My worst nightmare has always been my daughter vanishing like this.  I don't think I could handle it.

Thank you so much. My husband and his family are private people, but it doesn't mean they haven't been looking. There have been televised pleas. Any new avenue is great, though. And any extra effort we can get into this is much appreciated.

You are welcome - Websleuths has a few people over there that have been able to do some amazing things with missing and unidentified people.  I do not go there often but there are a few cases that I watch on a regular basis.  Charley is also pretty comprehensive and Megan is always open to getting more info on her cases.  I completely understand being private, but the details are so slim on this it makes it very difficult to do much...




The details are sparse. I think she ran away with help and it turned into something worse. But, we have so little to go on. A diary and some testimony by scared/unreliable people.
 
2013-05-08 04:55:49 PM  

dustygrimp: It takes a special kind of shiat stain to troll a thread about this story.


THIS
 
2013-05-08 04:57:40 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

Ohhh, you think frozen desserts are your ally. But you merely adopted the popsicles. I was raised on them, molded by them. I didn't see green vegetables until I was nearly a man. By then they were nothing to me but foul tasting.

Sugar betrays you, because it belongs to me.
 
2013-05-08 05:02:38 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Liinda: 99.998er: MelGoesOnTour: I'm so glad these folks were rescued.  But, well, I'm finding it difficult to believe that, unless they were in chains, three adult females could not figure out a way to get away from that place over time. Something doesn't ring up.

Yes, I wonder what on earth could possibly deter these women from just walking away whistling. I am sure the threats of torture and death of not only them, but perhaps even the little girl were never taken seriously. Then of course there is the Stockholm Syndrome, but I am sure that in just 10 years it would not have time to settle in with them. But you are right, something doesn't ring up. I am guessing they enjoyed being beaten and raped.

I often wonder why people make ludicrous, hateful remarks like this. My thinking is that last statement is your own personal fantasy that you're too weak and ashamed to claim so you project it to another human being for the sick thrill of uttering your secret, personal words, 99.998er.

You do realize it was a sarcastic response to MelGoesOnTour's remark about things not adding up and not really believing a full grown adult woman wouldn't have tried to escape earlier right?

I know it's sometimes difficult to tell what's sarcasm on the internet, but all it would have taken is reading some of the other posts in the thread to figure it out.


Damn. I read it and thought he was agreeing. It was so objectionable I responded and quit reading.

Sincere apologies if I misread the intent.
 
2013-05-08 06:25:09 PM  
Police are only charging the one brother, Ariel. Apparently, the other 2 brothers were not involved.
 
2013-05-08 08:21:46 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Of course she's happy and eating popsicles. She's 6 and has NO CLUE what's been going on!

Watch Ramsay's interview with Anderson Cooper in the Video tab. She was crying out for her Dad while this chick was trying to escape.

This Amanda woman was raped for 10 years and had to lie for 6 of them EVERY SINGLE DAY to her kid about how things were fine so the kid could grow up well adjusted.

She's got more balls then I'll ever have in 100 lifetimes.


She still ain't gonna grow up well adjusted. Either they let her keep thinking the first six years of her life was completely normal and let that fark her up until she finds out that she was actually born in a rape dungeon or they get started on the whole deprogramming and adjusting to healthy relationships thing. Either way it's going to be somewhat ugly.
 
2013-05-08 09:21:20 PM  
Subby, and ex-hostage/prisoner here.
I believe in the death penalty, but in this case, life, no hope for parole, would be nice.
Plus, visitation rights from a lab gorilla zacked up on Viagra and steroids, if you can swing it.
 
2013-05-08 10:47:16 PM  

Deucednuisance: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: What ARE you babbling about?

And here I was, just now, thinking that I used to think you were just a hobbyist crank, havin' a little fun, here most days, but lately I've been thinking, yanno, maybe he really is homeless in OC, wandering Fark, like he does the streets going on about what fevered notion pops into his head and frightening the children and wimmenfolk.

What a coinkydink, huh?

(Hint: I summarized as best I could some of Rush's nonsense, and opined that in a sane world he'd have been tranquilized and drug offstage.  Sorry you couldn't follow.  Rush'll do that to ya.)


You said:  "It's hard to tell in a way, because it's his usual stream of unconsciousness, but I think he's trying to say that since these guys are Hispanic, they kidnapped the girls on purpose to make Welfare Babies to steal money from Real `Merkins and are therefore, obviously, Obama supporters.

I don't listen to Limbaugh all that much, but I seriously doubt that he said that. Could you, you know, give some evidence for that statement? Or was it just typical libtard babble? Citation of just STFU when the adults are talking. Please.

By the way, know how I know that you haven't been paying attention? The wife and I haven't been homeless since last August - a pleasant circumstance that I have mentioned probably several dozen times here on Fark.

>>>>>lately I've been thinking, yanno, maybe he really is homeless in OC, wandering Fark, like he does the streets going on about what fevered notion pops into his head and frightening the children and wimmenfolk

Love your little stereotyping there. This must be some of that famous liberal compassion and understanding you guys are so famous for. BTW, I can also tell you've never actually met any homeless people. Guess what? With several notable exceptions, they're just like everyone else.

BTW, I was laughing and telling my wife about your posts. She's basically a huge safety net socialist and thinks the government has to do more for lots of groups (we have great discussions, because she's rational about that). She also, like me, voted for Obama. Anyway, she basically tells me just now that the main thing she hates about other liberals is they thing they are farking mind-readers of everyone else, assigning stupid motives to their political enemies. So even some liberals, apparently, think a lot of you guys are braindead arrogant assholes and just plain douchy.

Or 12-14 year old boys trolling and being "with it" and kewl (progressivism is the new in thang for all the kids; impresses the crap out of the girls [why yes, I DID get lots of pussy in the 60s and 70s by being one of those radical types; even had an old army jacket with a peace sign on it]) from daddy's computer.
 
2013-05-08 11:04:47 PM  

fireclown: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: willfullyobscure: even money these guys were Goreans. if there's any hateful cult that needs to be confronted with violent prejudice, it's that one.

Wonder if the girls had "kajira" brands.

Great job.  You just made this ickier.


Thank you.

Hey, if you're gonna GO GOR you should do it up right.

/The Priest Kings demand that it be so.
 
2013-05-08 11:36:22 PM  

lewismarktwo: On the Side: Give them life in prison, among the general population and let it be known to the other prisoners that death is too good for these guys and blind eyes will be turned.

Nah. Too easy.  Life solitary with 'accidental' exposure to inmates every year on the anniversary of the girls' disappearances.


do it right, stick them in the women's genpop
 
2013-05-09 03:51:26 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Thank you.

Hey, if you're gonna GO GOR you should do it up right.

/The Priest Kings demand that it be so.


Ah, Gor. The Erotic Diaperfurs of the BDSM world.
 
2013-05-09 11:11:34 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: I don't listen to Limbaugh all that much, but I seriously doubt that he said that. Could you, you know, give some evidence for that statement? Or was it just typical libtard babble? Citation of just STFU when the adults are talking. Please.


Hey, Asshole.

I linked to the farking video of him saying it in the very post you quoted.  STFU, yourself, for once.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Love your little stereotyping there.


It's your handle, and it's your writing that makes the character that you choose to portray.  It's not my fault that that character is a jerk.  Don't like how you're received, here?  Try a little editing.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: she basically tells me just now that the main thing she hates about other liberals is they thing they are farking mind-readers


The only thing I've "read" here is what you write.  Unlike you, because somehow you've missed a video link in a post of mine that you've quoted, twice.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Or 12-14 year old boys trolling and being "with it" and kewl (progressivism is the new in thang for all the kids; impresses the crap out of the girls [why yes, I DID get lots of pussy in the 60s and 70s by being one of those radical types; even had an old army jacket with a peace sign on it]) from daddy's computer.


This is supposed to make me think that you don't just spout off whatever fevered notion pops into your head?

Try a little editing.
 
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