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(CNN)   Joe Biden discusses Separation of Church and State with religious leaders. Just kidding, he wants them to lobby congress on firearm legislation   (religion.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 79
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2013-05-08 09:13:21 AM  
Well, that headline will get some bites.
 
2013-05-08 09:18:10 AM  
Yeah, no. Keep your religious leaders way from government.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-08 09:19:37 AM  
If they are going to get involved in politics they might as well try to dome some good for a change.
 
2013-05-08 09:27:00 AM  
Significant influence from "faith leaders" is already observed in issues of health care, reproductive health, zoning and building regulations for health care facilities, government funding for preventive medicine, tax law, marriage law, consumer products, broadcast television, broadcast radio, film, military human resources matters, and school curricula. But guns are off-limits?
 
2013-05-08 09:32:12 AM  

vpb: If they are going to get involved in politics they might as well try to dome some good for a change.


It doesn't violate the separation of church and state when we agree with them!
 
2013-05-08 09:34:20 AM  

vpb: If they are going to get involved in politics they might as well try to dome some good for a change.


Churches and religious leaders both black and white were instrumental in the civil rights movement. Did you not know that or do you think that wasn't good?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-08 09:37:15 AM  

Fark It: vpb: If they are going to get involved in politics they might as well try to dome some good for a change.

It doesn't violate the separation of church and state when we agree with them!


Sure it does, but they are going to do it anyway.
 
2013-05-08 09:38:48 AM  

kronicfeld: Significant influence from "faith leaders" is already observed in issues of health care, reproductive health, zoning and building regulations for health care facilities, government funding for preventive medicine, tax law, marriage law, consumer products, broadcast television, broadcast radio, film, military human resources matters, and school curricula. But guns are off-limits?


I've read the Bible. Jesus never mentions guns once.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-08 09:40:30 AM  

Nabb1: vpb: If they are going to get involved in politics they might as well try to dome some good for a change.

Churches and religious leaders both black and white were instrumental in the civil rights movement. Did you not know that or do you think that wasn't good?


Maybe I comprehend the difference between present and past tense?

Churches and religious leaders have been highly anti-civil rights for women and gays lately, Do you not know that or do you think it is good?
 
2013-05-08 09:42:24 AM  

kronicfeld: Significant influence from "faith leaders" is already observed in issues of health care, reproductive health, zoning and building regulations for health care facilities, government funding for preventive medicine, tax law, marriage law, consumer products, broadcast television, broadcast radio, film, military human resources matters, and school curricula. But guns are off-limits?


Well, it ALL should be off-limits really.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-08 09:44:10 AM  
impaler:

I've read the Bible. Jesus never mentions guns once.

No, but Isaiah mentions swords and spears, which were the guns of the time.
 
2013-05-08 09:45:30 AM  

vpb: Nabb1: vpb: If they are going to get involved in politics they might as well try to dome some good for a change.

Churches and religious leaders both black and white were instrumental in the civil rights movement. Did you not know that or do you think that wasn't good?

Maybe I comprehend the difference between present and past tense?

Churches and religious leaders have been highly anti-civil rights for women and gays lately, Do you not know that or do you think it is good?


I wasn't the one making sweeping generalizations, so don't get pissy with me.
 
2013-05-08 09:48:25 AM  

vpb: impaler:

I've read the Bible. Jesus never mentions guns once.

No, but Isaiah mentions swords and spears, which were the guns of the time.


www.imfdb.org
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-08 09:58:53 AM  
Nabb1:

I wasn't the one making sweeping generalizations, so don't get pissy with me.

Sure you were.  That's no different from trying to use the fact that Lincoln was a Republican to try to excuse the GOP embrace of racism in the 70's.
 
2013-05-08 09:59:00 AM  

vpb: impaler: I've read the Bible. Jesus never mentions guns once.

No, but Isaiah mentions swords and spears, which were the guns of the time.


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2013-05-08 10:04:35 AM  
Oh, this is the week Republicans are FOR separation of church and state? And, do they wish to be called "Republicans," "conservatives," or "libertarians" this week?
 
2013-05-08 10:04:52 AM  

vpb: Nabb1:

I wasn't the one making sweeping generalizations, so don't get pissy with me.

Sure you were.  That's no different from trying to use the fact that Lincoln was a Republican to try to excuse the GOP embrace of racism in the 70's.


Really? I've never said that sort of nonsense. Not to mention many of the people involved in the Civil Rights movement are still alive. You said churches should do something good "for a change." If you didn't mean that as a blanket statement, then that's all on you for not being able to convey a coherent thought effectively. Don't try to flip this around because you don't want to admit your prejudices and seething hatred for people of faith.
 
2013-05-08 10:05:28 AM  
oi41.tinypic.com
 
2013-05-08 10:06:35 AM  

vpb: If they are going to get involved in politics they might as well try to dome some good for a change.


This was my first thought also, that it would be a nice change of pace for religious leaders could do something beneficial.

Then I realized that even if they did it it would be marketing, and to even ask them reinforces their influence which is the whole problem with them in the first place.

So no.  You stay out of our reality and we'll stay out of your superstition.
 
2013-05-08 10:07:12 AM  
Methinks subby doesn't have quite the grasp on what "separation of church and state" means.
 
2013-05-08 10:08:42 AM  

Nabb1: vpb: If they are going to get involved in politics they might as well try to dome some good for a change.

Churches and religious leaders both black and white were instrumental in the civil rights movement. Did you not know that or do you think that wasn't good?


They don't and didn't care about rights, that was marketing.  There were religious leaders on both sides of that debate, who's to say that the net effect wasn't to slow it down?
 
2013-05-08 10:09:29 AM  

Aarontology: Yeah, no. Keep your religious leaders way from government.


* unless they are against abortion, teh ghays, marriage equality...
 
2013-05-08 10:09:39 AM  
Padre:  You shouldn't dark the poor like a cheap hooker.
GOP: ... Or what, you'll vote for the pro-choice Democrat?
Padre: ... Er, not exactly, but...
GOP: STFU, GBTW.
This is pretty much every political conversation with single issue abortion voters.  The GOP knows the religious vote isn't moving as long as they promise this time they really will outlaw all abortions.
 
2013-05-08 10:09:48 AM  

kronicfeld: Significant influence from "faith leaders" is already observed in issues of health care, reproductive health, zoning and building regulations for health care facilities, government funding for preventive medicine, tax law, marriage law, consumer products, broadcast television, broadcast radio, film, military human resources matters, and school curricula. But guns are off-limits?


They shouldn't be involved in those things, either.  Adding another area for them to interfere isn't going to help us in the long run.
 
2013-05-08 10:11:00 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Aarontology: Yeah, no. Keep your religious leaders way from government.

* unless they are against abortion, teh ghays, marriage equality...


Good point. Keep them away no matter what subject they're going on about.
 
2013-05-08 10:12:45 AM  

jcooli09: Nabb1: vpb: If they are going to get involved in politics they might as well try to dome some good for a change.

Churches and religious leaders both black and white were instrumental in the civil rights movement. Did you not know that or do you think that wasn't good?

They don't and didn't care about rights, that was marketing.  There were religious leaders on both sides of that debate, who's to say that the net effect wasn't to slow it down?


Marketing?  That's quite possibly the dumbest description of the role of religious leaders in the Civil Rights Movement that I have ever read.  What do you think the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. did for a living?
 
2013-05-08 10:13:24 AM  

Nabb1: seething hatred for people of faith.


Sweeping generalization?

Understanding that religion shouldn't have any place in government isn't the same as hating people of faith, and you know it.
 
2013-05-08 10:13:26 AM  

impaler: I've read the Bible. Jesus never mentions guns once.


God helps those who arm themselves.
 
2013-05-08 10:14:24 AM  
Politicians run campaigns on jobs.  Spend entire terms focused on stereotypical unpopular social issues that no one cares about right now.  Rinse repeat.  Poverty grows.  Poor people continue to shoot each other and abort babies.

If only there was a root problem we could address to fight these social ills.
 
2013-05-08 10:14:34 AM  

Fark It: vpb: If they are going to get involved in politics they might as well try to dome some good for a change.

It doesn't violate the separation of church and state when we agree with them!


This exactly.  The democrats are starting to become what they railed against the last 4 years.
 
2013-05-08 10:16:28 AM  
Wow, 26 comments and not one mention of the fact that Biden still refuses to stop farking that poor gun control chicken.
 
2013-05-08 10:16:35 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Aarontology: Yeah, no. Keep your religious leaders way from government.

* unless they are against abortion, teh ghays, marriage equality...


Three more reasons why it's necessary to keep religion away from government.
 
2013-05-08 10:16:44 AM  

jcooli09: Nabb1: seething hatred for people of faith.

Sweeping generalization?

Understanding that religion shouldn't have any place in government isn't the same as hating people of faith, and you know it.


So, are you saying being proactively involved in social change is the same as a place in government and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Should have stayed out of it?
 
2013-05-08 10:16:47 AM  
They brought checks to start paying taxes then too, right?
 
2013-05-08 10:17:14 AM  

Nabb1: jcooli09: Nabb1: vpb: If they are going to get involved in politics they might as well try to dome some good for a change.

Churches and religious leaders both black and white were instrumental in the civil rights movement. Did you not know that or do you think that wasn't good?

They don't and didn't care about rights, that was marketing.  There were religious leaders on both sides of that debate, who's to say that the net effect wasn't to slow it down?

Marketing?  That's quite possibly the dumbest description of the role of religious leaders in the Civil Rights Movement that I have ever read.  What do you think the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. did for a living?


Dr King was an outlier, most of the good done by organized religion is done to advance their own influence.   It is also offset by the damage it does.
 
2013-05-08 10:17:40 AM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Wow, 26 comments and not one mention of the fact that Biden still refuses to stop farking that poor gun control chicken.


It's nutty Uncle Joe. Every family has one. Hand him a beer and keep him away from teenage girls, he's mostly harmless.
 
2013-05-08 10:18:15 AM  
ITT: A bunch of people who don't have the first farking clue what "separation of church and state" is.
 
2013-05-08 10:23:35 AM  
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2013-05-08 10:24:26 AM  
Maybe we could just make all gun sales subject to background checks.
 
2013-05-08 10:26:21 AM  
Give it up, Biden.  That ship has sailed.  When just a few months after the massacre of school children in Connecticut the bill increasing concealed carry rights gets more votes than any attempts at more stringent background checks, you've lost.  You're not going to garner any more support as time passes and people forget.
 
2013-05-08 10:29:11 AM  

Source4leko: Fark It: vpb: If they are going to get involved in politics they might as well try to dome some good for a change.

It doesn't violate the separation of church and state when we agree with them!

This exactly.  The democrats are starting to become what they railed against the last 4 years.



I didn't see in the article where Democrats want Christianity to be the state religion.
 
2013-05-08 10:29:27 AM  

vpb: If they are going to get involved in politics they might as well try to dome some good for a change.


Came here to say this.

Note: they're already involved.  See: Every Republican lawmaker.
 
2013-05-08 10:29:55 AM  
FINALLY!  "Clings to guns" vs. "Clings to religion" to the death!
 
2013-05-08 10:30:03 AM  

vpb: If they are going to get involved in politics they might as well try to pay taxes.dome some good for a change.


FTFY
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-08 10:30:56 AM  

Nabb1: vpb: Nabb1:

I wasn't the one making sweeping generalizations, so don't get pissy with me.

Sure you were.  That's no different from trying to use the fact that Lincoln was a Republican to try to excuse the GOP embrace of racism in the 70's.

Really? I've never said that sort of nonsense. Not to mention many of the people involved in the Civil Rights movement are still alive. You said churches should do something good "for a change." If you didn't mean that as a blanket statement, then that's all on you for not being able to convey a coherent thought effectively. Don't try to flip this around because you don't want to admit your prejudices and seething hatred for people of faith.


Nothing like an uncomfortable truth to bring out the butt hurt is there?

I think any honest person, even religious ones, would admit that the organized religion has been more interested in things like attacking gays and keeping poor people from getting medical care than helping people.

Conveying coherant thoughts to people who can't understand them is quite dificult, I haven't found the trick to that yet.
 
2013-05-08 10:34:21 AM  

Frank N Stein: [oi41.tinypic.com image 640x360]


Your?
 
2013-05-08 10:39:03 AM  

Lord_Baull: Methinks subby doesn't have quite the grasp on what "separation of church and state" means.


Most people don't.

/but church and state! Church and state!!
 
2013-05-08 10:51:43 AM  
That's not what seperation of church and state means, subs.

Even if yoy don't like what they lobby for.
 
2013-05-08 10:55:02 AM  

Shaggy_C: Give it up, Biden.  That ship has sailed.  When just a few months after the massacre of school children in Connecticut the bill increasing concealed carry rights gets more votes than any attempts at more stringent background checks, you've lost.  You're not going to garner any more support as time passes and people forget.


Yep.  I'm opposed to concealed carry, but now that every asshat that wants a gun in his pocket has one, I'm going to have to start carrying, too.  It's stupid, but I don't see any other choice.
 
2013-05-08 11:01:15 AM  

jcooli09: Shaggy_C: Give it up, Biden.  That ship has sailed.  When just a few months after the massacre of school children in Connecticut the bill increasing concealed carry rights gets more votes than any attempts at more stringent background checks, you've lost.  You're not going to garner any more support as time passes and people forget.

Yep.  I'm opposed to concealed carry, but now that every asshat that wants a gun in his pocket has one, I'm going to have to start carrying, too.  It's stupid, but I don't see any other choice.


You could... not carry?

There really is no need to get so panicked about your fellow citizens.
 
2013-05-08 11:03:10 AM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: stop farking that poor gun control chicken.


Not sure if herp or derp.
 
2013-05-08 11:10:49 AM  
You're just mad because he's decided to play by your rules, tardmitter.
 
2013-05-08 11:13:04 AM  

vpb: No, but Isaiah mentions swords and spears, which were the guns of the time.


The longbow was once considered a WMD.
 
2013-05-08 11:16:06 AM  

Fark It: vpb: If they are going to get involved in politics they might as well try to dome some good for a change.

It doesn't violate the separation of church and state when we agree with them!


No, it probably violates the separation of church and state. But since that's already happening on a massive scale, maybe they could do a little good for once, as vpb said.  I mean, there's a whole wide world outside of gays and abortions.  OTOH, since most of their non-gays and non-abortion actions involve trying to sabotage the Middle East peace process and universal health care, maybe they should just stay inside their comfort zone.

Either way, hate the game, not the player (playa?).
 
2013-05-08 11:22:27 AM  

Shaggy_C: Give it up, Biden.  That ship has sailed.  When just a few months after the massacre of school children in Connecticut the bill increasing concealed carry rights gets more votes than any attempts at more stringent background checks, you've lost.  You're not going to garner any more support as time passes and people forget.


Given the way that it polls (Universal Background Checks anyways), I think this is more about keeping the people who oppose them portrayed as extremists and making them easier to defeat in moderate districts in 2014 than they would otherwise be. I think he knows they aren't going to vote for it (except maybe Flake, who knows where he stands), it's about making them pay a price for not letting the UBC bill even come up for a full vote before the Senate.
 
2013-05-08 11:27:07 AM  

firefly212: Shaggy_C: Give it up, Biden.  That ship has sailed.  When just a few months after the massacre of school children in Connecticut the bill increasing concealed carry rights gets more votes than any attempts at more stringent background checks, you've lost.  You're not going to garner any more support as time passes and people forget.

Given the way that it polls (Universal Background Checks anyways), I think this is more about keeping the people who oppose them portrayed as extremists and making them easier to defeat in moderate districts in 2014 than they would otherwise be. I think he knows they aren't going to vote for it (except maybe Flake, who knows where he stands), it's about making them pay a price for not letting the UBC bill even come up for a full vote before the Senate.


More than one GOP Senator's approval ratings have plummeted since the vote.  And when asked why, the reason was their no vote.  That may fade, but their next opponent has one hell of good talking point to start his/her campaign.
 
2013-05-08 11:31:31 AM  

whidbey: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: stop farking that poor gun control chicken.

Not sure if herp or derp.


Why can't it be both?
 
2013-05-08 11:32:27 AM  

yeegrek: Fark It: vpb: If they are going to get involved in politics they might as well try to dome some good for a change.

It doesn't violate the separation of church and state when we agree with them!

No, it probably violates the separation of church and state. But since that's already happening on a massive scale, maybe they could do a little good for once, as vpb said.  I mean, there's a whole wide world outside of gays and abortions.  OTOH, since most of their non-gays and non-abortion actions involve trying to sabotage the Middle East peace process and universal health care, maybe they should just stay inside their comfort zone.

Either way, hate the game, not the player (playa?).


Religious leaders talking to Congress does not in any way violate the separation of church and state.
 
2013-05-08 11:42:36 AM  

Ned Stark: Yep.  I'm opposed to concealed carry, but now that every asshat that wants a gun in his pocket has one, I'm going to have to start carrying, too.  It's stupid, but I don't see any other choice.

You could... not carry?

There really is no need to get so panicked about your fellow citizens.


Who's panicked?  I'm making a reasonable assessment of a situation and acting accordingly.

No offense meant by the following, I don't know you.

I know 12 people who are CCW holders.  Of these, 7 carry most of the time.

Based on my personal observations, I am comfortable with 5 of them to reliably hit what they aim at, 4 of them to do so in a stressful situation, and 2 of them to make a good decision about the appropriateness of pulling the weapon to begin with.

Of the other 5 holders, I feel pretty good about 4 of them.

The people I know are nothing special of either end of the spectrum, they're just people.  A significant portion of the people I know have no business carrying a weapon, so I have to assume that roughly the same proportion of people I don't know are carrying have no business doing so.
 
2013-05-08 11:51:18 AM  

qorkfiend: yeegrek: Fark It: vpb: If they are going to get involved in politics they might as well try to dome some good for a change.

It doesn't violate the separation of church and state when we agree with them!

No, it probably violates the separation of church and state. But since that's already happening on a massive scale, maybe they could do a little good for once, as vpb said.  I mean, there's a whole wide world outside of gays and abortions.  OTOH, since most of their non-gays and non-abortion actions involve trying to sabotage the Middle East peace process and universal health care, maybe they should just stay inside their comfort zone.

Either way, hate the game, not the player (playa?).

Religious leaders talking to Congress does not in any way violate the separation of church and state.


Talking to? No, you're right  It's not a violation.  Co-ordinating on policy and messaging?  I would personally argue that's a gray zone.
 
2013-05-08 11:52:11 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: More than one GOP Senator's approval ratings have plummeted since the vote. And when asked why, the reason was their no vote. That may fade, but their next opponent has one hell of good talking point to start his/her campaign.


A shame they couldn't put this up during an election year - it's going to be long forgotten in a year from now, I'm afraid.  Maybe an endeavoring junior senator will put it up again in 2014 and we can see if the tides change.
 
2013-05-08 11:57:23 AM  

jcooli09: Ned Stark: Yep.  I'm opposed to concealed carry, but now that every asshat that wants a gun in his pocket has one, I'm going to have to start carrying, too.  It's stupid, but I don't see any other choice.

You could... not carry?

There really is no need to get so panicked about your fellow citizens.

Who's panicked?  I'm making a reasonable assessment of a situation and acting accordingly.

No offense meant by the following, I don't know you.

I know 12 people who are CCW holders.  Of these, 7 carry most of the time.

Based on my personal observations, I am comfortable with 5 of them to reliably hit what they aim at, 4 of them to do so in a stressful situation, and 2 of them to make a good decision about the appropriateness of pulling the weapon to begin with.

Of the other 5 holders, I feel pretty good about 4 of them.

The people I know are nothing special of either end of the spectrum, they're just people.  A significant portion of the people I know have no business carrying a weapon, so I have to assume that roughly the same proportion of people I don't know are carrying have no business doing so.


Carrying a weapon you don't want and/or you feel uncomfortable with just because some other person is also armed seems pretty clearly a minor form of panic to my mind.


/May just be being overly judgemental because of getting jaded by months of gun durring
 
2013-05-08 12:05:30 PM  

Shaggy_C: A shame they couldn't put this up during an election year - it's going to be long forgotten in a year from now, I'm afraid. Maybe an endeavoring junior senator will put it up again in 2014 and we can see if the tides change.


We can only hope for another emotionally-charged mass shooting during the ramp-up of the election cycle.
 
2013-05-08 12:09:45 PM  
So Biden wants religious leaders to negotiate on his behalf, but he offers bupkis in return for it?

...Cause its not like the Churches don't  have their own agendasto advance. Theyjustexists to push a gun grabbers policy while also being the butt of the lefts jokes. The moment the Dem's get what they want its back to smacking down religious leaders for daring to mix their affairs with those of the state.

/Biden shouldn't confuse smiles and nods with "progress".
 
2013-05-08 12:27:34 PM  

vpb: Nabb1: vpb: Nabb1:

I wasn't the one making sweeping generalizations, so don't get pissy with me.

Sure you were.  That's no different from trying to use the fact that Lincoln was a Republican to try to excuse the GOP embrace of racism in the 70's.

Really? I've never said that sort of nonsense. Not to mention many of the people involved in the Civil Rights movement are still alive. You said churches should do something good "for a change." If you didn't mean that as a blanket statement, then that's all on you for not being able to convey a coherent thought effectively. Don't try to flip this around because you don't want to admit your prejudices and seething hatred for people of faith.

Nothing like an uncomfortable truth to bring out the butt hurt is there?

I think any honest person, even religious ones, would admit that the organized religion has been more interested in things like attacking gays and keeping poor people from getting medical care than helping people.

Conveying coherant thoughts to people who can't understand them is quite dificult, I haven't found the trick to that yet.


An honest person?  No, maybe an ignorant bigoted simpleton who only pays attention to what he wants to while ignoring the rest.
 
2013-05-08 01:10:10 PM  

Aarontology: vpb: impaler:

I've read the Bible. Jesus never mentions guns once.

No, but Isaiah mentions swords and spears, which were the guns of the time.

[www.imfdb.org image 600x274]


I really like that movie. It's seriously underrated.
 
2013-05-08 01:12:12 PM  

bugontherug: Aarontology: vpb: impaler:

I've read the Bible. Jesus never mentions guns once.

No, but Isaiah mentions swords and spears, which were the guns of the time.

[www.imfdb.org image 600x274]

I really like that movie. It's seriously underrated.


I think the opening gunfight was so silly, it closed a lot of people's minds to the rest of the movie, which was very well done on a lot of different levels. It was engaging, fun to look at, and showed how Shakespeare's themes are timeless.
 
2013-05-08 01:15:21 PM  

doyner: kronicfeld: Significant influence from "faith leaders" is already observed in issues of health care, reproductive health, zoning and building regulations for health care facilities, government funding for preventive medicine, tax law, marriage law, consumer products, broadcast television, broadcast radio, film, military human resources matters, and school curricula. But guns are off-limits?

Well, it ALL should be off-limits really.


Exactly, look what 'good' it's done for those examples. We need less of it, not more.
 
2013-05-08 01:26:23 PM  

impaler: I've read the Bible. Jesus never mentions guns once.


Well, neither does the Second Amendment.
 
2013-05-08 01:33:53 PM  

abb3w: impaler: I've read the Bible. Jesus never mentions guns once.

Well, neither does the Second Amendment.


You're right, it mentions an entire range of items that includes firearms.
 
2013-05-08 01:49:19 PM  
Let them all lobby all they want, both sides of the street. And take away their tax exempt status. Let 'em have the same rules as any other biz.

/thinks they should be rendering unto Caesar
 
2013-05-08 02:29:00 PM  
Thats cool, oh and how about now you pay taxes on the land you own.
 
2013-05-08 02:38:35 PM  

vpb: If they are going to get involved in politics they might as well try to dome some good for a change.


www.monstershack.net

Does not approve potential dome blowing...
 
2013-05-08 02:54:39 PM  

tbhouston: Thats cool, oh and how about now you pay taxes on the land you own.


Exactly. That would be a huge boost to local economies around here.
 
2013-05-08 02:58:28 PM  
I honestly don't have a problem with this. My litmus test has always been "Can you support this same position without religion?" as a way to judge the church/state separation. Gay marriage? Abortion bans? Probably not something an atheist would support. But you don't need a Bible to support social justice issues such as gun control and health care reform so why not bring in religious leaders who can stand by the non-religious in supporting the legislation?
 
2013-05-08 03:34:22 PM  
Gotta hand it to you subby, this is some big-league headline trolling.
 
2013-05-08 09:38:36 PM  

Ned Stark: jcooli09: Shaggy_C: Give it up, Biden.  That ship has sailed.  When just a few months after the massacre of school children in Connecticut the bill increasing concealed carry rights gets more votes than any attempts at more stringent background checks, you've lost.  You're not going to garner any more support as time passes and people forget.

Yep.  I'm opposed to concealed carry, but now that every asshat that wants a gun in his pocket has one, I'm going to have to start carrying, too.  It's stupid, but I don't see any other choice.

You could... not carry?

There really is no need to get so panicked about your fellow citizens.


Really?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57462584-504083/raul-rodrigue z- texas-man-gets-40-years-in-prison-for-fatally-shooting-neighbor-after- claiming-stand-your-ground-defense/
 
2013-05-08 10:02:09 PM  

dave2198: Ned Stark: jcooli09: Shaggy_C: Give it up, Biden.  That ship has sailed.  When just a few months after the massacre of school children in Connecticut the bill increasing concealed carry rights gets more votes than any attempts at more stringent background checks, you've lost.  You're not going to garner any more support as time passes and people forget.

Yep.  I'm opposed to concealed carry, but now that every asshat that wants a gun in his pocket has one, I'm going to have to start carrying, too.  It's stupid, but I don't see any other choice.

You could... not carry?

There really is no need to get so panicked about your fellow citizens.

Really?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57462584-504083/raul-rodrigue z- texas-man-gets-40-years-in-prison-for-fatally-shooting-neighbor-after- claiming-stand-your-ground-defense/


really.
 
2013-05-08 10:07:02 PM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Wow, 26 comments and not one mention of the fact that Biden still refuses to stop farking that poor gun control chicken.


He is the gift that keeps on giving.
 
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