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2013-05-08 11:51:41 AM
It still made a great CSI episode..

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/Fur and Loathing in Las Vegas baby...
 
2013-05-08 11:51:46 AM

ChipNASA: How come she wasn't dress like a WHORE like all the *other kids*?!?!?

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I think she's lucky she wasn't dressed like that.
 
2013-05-08 12:07:32 PM

The Muthaship


There's no way he really thought the girl was a skunk. I wonder what really happened here.


Maybe she sprayed him.
 
2013-05-08 12:10:06 PM

Ned Stark: Bravo Two: Endive Wombat: What a farking idiot.  I mean...I...I...I'm at a loss for words...

The average skunk is about 8"-10" tall, whereas the average 9 year old girl is over 48" (4ft).

How is it even possible to mistake a woodland critter from a 4 foot tall child?

This man needs to never be around anything more pointy than a butter knife.

Wasn't there, didn't see it, but if she was on all fours, outside of the house where it was dark, crawling around? You see black fur and a white stripe, crawling around, and have the shape obscured due to the lack of light and I'd bet you'd have a hard time telling.

If it was a girl running around on two legs in bright light, however, the guy's an idiot.

Why would you fire a weapon at something 'obscured' by low light?


This.  Why the fark would you even consider shooting into the dark.  Gun nuts will white knight any idiot that has a gun.
 
2013-05-08 12:12:05 PM
Well, that stinks.
 
2013-05-08 12:15:43 PM
Okay--- People are getting confused here. Let me clear this up.

She wasn't dressed as a skunk.

She was playing outside at a distance from the house, on a hillside. It was dark outside and she was wearing a black costume with a black hat that had a white feather on it.

Her body blended into the darkness. What the guy's family saw was a white tuft of fur (feather, actually) surrounded by black (the hat). The guy was told by his mother to go get his gun and shoot the skunk. He did so without getting near. His mother shined a flashlight at the "skunk" (the hat with feather) and he fired. He actually missed the "skunk" (her HEAD) and hit her lower down.

So no-- He didn't mistake a small child in a skunk costume for a skunk. He mistook a PART of a black and white costume being worn in the dark for a skunk, as did his mother.

Now, the stupid thing is that people who keep guns around the house feel the need to shoot every critter that wanders near their house. A skunk foraging on a hill near your house isn't a threat. You don't need to shoot it with a shotgun.

I should hope this incident teaches them to hold off on shooting at animals in the dark for shiats and giggles.
 
2013-05-08 12:16:49 PM

Paul Baumer: Fissile: How many of you have been to Pennsylvania?  If you have, you'd understand perfectly.  Pennsylvania is the Deep South of the Northeast.

"Philadelphia at one end, Pittsburgh at the other, and Alabama in the middle" as they say.


==============

Pennsylvania was founded when all the worst morons from the colonies of New York and New Jersey were forced across the Delaware at gunpoint and told to never come back.
 
2013-05-08 12:20:16 PM

ZeroCorpse: Now, the stupid thing is that people who keep guns around the house feel the need to shoot every critter that wanders near their house. A skunk foraging on a hill near your house isn't a threat. You don't need to shoot it with a shotgun.


But doing so is his 2nd Amendment right. Even if it happens to be a little girl.
 
2013-05-08 12:20:30 PM
Pennsyltucky.
 
2013-05-08 12:21:30 PM

Kome: Fubini: This sounds a lot more like a tragic but avoidable accident (if anyone had exercised any common sense) rather than a moron being a moron with a gun.

A lot of morons being morons with a gun end up causing tragic but avoidable accidents like this one.


How is this an accident? He hit his target deliberately.


People use the word 'accident' entirely properly. This is wreckless negligence. Entirely foreseeable and preventable. There are relatively few accidents in this world.
 
2013-05-08 12:22:43 PM

ZeroCorpse: Okay--- People are getting confused here. Let me clear this up.

She wasn't dressed as a skunk.

She was playing outside at a distance from the house, on a hillside. It was dark outside and she was wearing a black costume with a black hat that had a white feather on it.

Her body blended into the darkness. What the guy's family saw was a white tuft of fur (feather, actually) surrounded by black (the hat). The guy was told by his mother to go get his gun and shoot the skunk. He did so without getting near. His mother shined a flashlight at the "skunk" (the hat with feather) and he fired. He actually missed the "skunk" (her HEAD) and hit her lower down.

So no-- He didn't mistake a small child in a skunk costume for a skunk. He mistook a PART of a black and white costume being worn in the dark for a skunk, as did his mother.

Now, the stupid thing is that people who keep guns around the house feel the need to shoot every critter that wanders near their house. A skunk foraging on a hill near your house isn't a threat. You don't need to shoot it with a shotgun.

I should hope this incident teaches them to hold off on shooting at animals in the dark for shiats and giggles.


So what you're saying is he's a responsible gun owner.
 
2013-05-08 12:29:22 PM

Raharu: according to the story, he wasn't drunk or on drugs at the time, as determined by testing.


So he's just a farking idiot.


Could be. There are however a great many medical issues that can cause people to hallucinate.
 
2013-05-08 12:29:54 PM

Killer Cars: Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place; this dipsh*t either attempted to murder a child, or is just a colossal f*cking retard. There is no middle ground or other choice here.


Yeah, it is bad when you have to fall back on the Reagan Defense "I wasn't been evil/criminal, I was just horrendously incompetent and careless"
 
2013-05-08 12:41:26 PM
Something smells very  fishy skunky.
 
2013-05-08 12:43:20 PM
That guy is too stupid to ever touch a firearm.  Ever.
 
2013-05-08 12:50:28 PM

Fubini: Kome: A lot of morons being morons with a gun end up causing tragic but avoidable accidents like this one.

The sad truth is that you can be 100% responsible with a gun and still end up with accidents. It's the same way you can be 100% responsible with a car and still end up with accidents. I'm not trying to excuse or condone what this guy did, but it's simply not true that literally every firearms accident is due to someone being irresponsible.

There are about 500 accidental deaths each year in the US, and off the top of my head I want to say the chance of fatality there is about 25%, so that implies something like 2000 firearms accidents total each year. Surely many of those are due to carelessness and improper handling. But, just as surely, some of those are from people behaving responsibly and are truly accidental.


that's why I wouldn't call this an accident.

yes, you can do everything right and still have an accident.

this guy got his firearm, knew it was loaded, aimed at his target, pulled the trigger, and shot what he was aiming at. how is that an accident?

oh, he didn't know he was aiming at a girl. so if I set fire to my neighbors' house, I can say the loss of any stuff in the house is an accident? hey, I don't know what stuff my neighbors have in their house.

or maybe it's reasonable to expect if I set fire to a house, stuff inside that house will also burn, and it doesn't matter what I know about that stuff.

he knew he was shooting something, and knew he hadn't made an effort to find out what he was shooting. so how is this an"accident"?

/gun owner

//no patience for people who go around shooting without thinking
 
2013-05-08 12:56:06 PM
Was she wearing a hoodie?
 
2013-05-08 01:02:29 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: This. You don't need to prove your manliness by killing every wild animal that dares set foot on your property. It was theirs first.


Except that like porcupines and assorted other rodents, skunks are damaging to homes by chewing up and digging their way in. They are pests to be exterminated. Not a matter of proving my manliness, a matter of killing animals that will attack and/or destroy your home.
 
2013-05-08 01:12:59 PM
I almost shot my kid cousin.  CSB follows:

My brother and I needed to sight in our deer rifles in preparation for the upcoming season.  We were all on the family hunting property and a whole bunch of relatives, young and old, were at The only campsite. Everyone was present and accounted.  We silenced all the chit-chatter and told EVERYONE that we were going about 1/4 mile down the road and specifically why.  On the pass, opposite of the campsite is a big hill about 75 yards from the road that's perfect and safe for target shooting.  After driving 1/4 mile, my brother and I turned the car to the right and parked about 20 yards off the road, set up targets, and started shooting by laying rifles on and leaning over the passenger-side hood of the car. At no point were we pointing our rifles anywhere within 240 degrees swing of the direction of camp nor over any road or path.  Safety First.

Now one of our cousins there must have life-threatening levels of ADHD or his parents haven't instilled in him the discipline he so desperately needs because throughout the weekend he had been doing a very bad job of obeying us adults, including his parents.  And they had bought him one of those mini dirt bikes and he had been tearing around all weekend.  We explicitly told all the children they ABSOLUTELY COULD NOT leave camp and go down the road until we returned.  So what did the kid do? He got on his bike and started heading straight towards us.  His useless parents hollered at him not to go down the road, he pretended he couldn't hear them, and continued anyways.

For several minutes we've been firing our rifles at targets at the hill's base.  Ww were also wearing powerful (35 dB) earmuffs so we could barely hear anything.  Left eye is closed and the right eye is tucked in front of the scope, so field of vision is very limited. Through sheer luck, my brother hears the kid's dirt bike as he comes up behind us.  My brother screamed as loud as he could, "STOP GODDAMNIT STOP!!!"  I take my finger off the trigger and open my left eye just as the kid passes on the rear side of the car, turns off the road, and rides left-to-right into the active firing range right in front of us. I see his motocross helmet's graphics flash and stop in my right eye optic as I start to lift up the rifle.  Ear muffs are off now, rifles are pointing up, and the kid yells, "HAI GUYZ! What's goin' on here?!"  My brother screams a vile stream of obscenities at the kid.  I stand there unable to speak as the gravity of the situation starts to sink in.  He leaves by turning around and riding BACK across the firing range a second time.  Shooting is over.  We go back and tell his parents how close their dipshiat of a son was to having his head blown off.  Later, he received styles of discipline from three generations.
 
2013-05-08 01:14:39 PM
Hmm.  Good solid effort...but, sorry...still no Pennsyltucky tag.  Keep at it, though.
 
2013-05-08 01:32:14 PM
FTFA: Making the accidental shooting even more unbelievable is the fact that toxicology test results revealed that Grant had no drugs or alcohol in his system.

Which means... he's just plain stupid.
 
2013-05-08 01:50:43 PM

Bravo Two: The My Little Pony Killer: This. You don't need to prove your manliness by killing every wild animal that dares set foot on your property. It was theirs first.

Except that like porcupines and assorted other rodents, skunks are damaging to homes by chewing up and digging their way in. They are pests to be exterminated. Not a matter of proving my manliness, a matter of killing animals that will attack and/or destroy your home.


Where do you live where rodents are putting your home under siege?
 
2013-05-08 01:52:20 PM
There is no justice in this country.  Murders a little girl with a firearm and gets 2 years probation.  Completely disgusting all the way around.

/on the plus side, it's obvious the judge is not being bribed by the for profit prison system.
 
2013-05-08 02:26:56 PM

chuggernaught: There is no justice in this country.  Murders a little girl with a firearm and gets 2 years probation.  Completely disgusting all the way around.


RTA. The little girl is alive. Not murder.
 
2013-05-08 02:36:51 PM

chuggernaught: There is no justice in this country.  Murders a little girl with a firearm and gets 2 years probation.  Completely disgusting all the way around.


I can see you didn't read the article or the thread - the girl ended up in the hospital, not the morgue.  Not seeing any word on how permanent any injuries will be, but given that it mentions birdshot, a full recovery, though with extensive scarring, is probable.  Even the scarring should be fixable with modern plastic surgery.

Headso: Where do you live where rodents are putting your home under siege?


That's possible pretty much anywhere down south, especially in cheaper constructions where water levels preclude a basement.  Better homes will have concrete or brick down there instead of siding for that reason.
 
2013-05-08 02:37:29 PM
Article says he can't hunt for a year.

To me this seems inadequate punishment.
 
2013-05-08 02:44:28 PM
Was she also run over by a truck?
sharetv.org
 
2013-05-08 02:49:51 PM
Civil suit?
 
2013-05-08 03:47:30 PM

Firethorn: chuggernaught: There is no justice in this country.  Murders a little girl with a firearm and gets 2 years probation.  Completely disgusting all the way around.

I can see you didn't read the article or the thread - the girl ended up in the hospital, not the morgue.  Not seeing any word on how permanent any injuries will be, but given that it mentions birdshot, a full recovery, though with extensive scarring, is probable.  Even the scarring should be fixable with modern plastic surgery.


The way people comment in these threads, can you blame them?   I know reading the article first would solve 90% of the comment drama in Fark, but then this would become a dull, boring existence, like Slashdot.  So in their defense, I hope they continue never reading articles and shooting from the hip first.  It's really the only reason why I continue to come here after 10 years.
 
2013-05-08 04:00:30 PM
Shoot HIM.
 
2013-05-08 04:11:12 PM
shoot him and say that he looked like a child molester.  and that your a white supremacist
 
2013-05-08 04:28:44 PM

Killer Cars: weapon13: Even if she was on all fours, that would still make her look like a HUGE farking skunk. Maybe the guy got freaked out by the size of the skunk overlord and shot it? Who knows

I grew up largely in the sticks. Saw and dealt with plenty of skunks. Had access to a shotgun. Never once thought "I need to shoot this animal immediately".


Maybe they have stand your ground laws for vermin and rodents of unusual size.
 
2013-05-08 04:51:44 PM
Oh my! Pepe Lepew would be ashamed.
 
2013-05-08 05:33:51 PM

fredklein: Endive Wombat: How is it even possible to mistake a woodland critter from a 4 foot tall child?

"The girl, whose name has not been released, was said to have been playing on a hillside when the home's owner, Janet Grant, mistook her for the noxious pest."

Playing on a hill, possibly crawling up or rolling down the slope. Perspective can be a biatch.


Screw perspective, the real story is that TWO idiots mistook her for a skunk. "honey, is that a giant skunk frolicking in our yard?"

"I've never seen a four foot tall bipedal skunk, dear, but lets shoot it, just in case."
 
2013-05-08 05:36:41 PM

MadMonk: What the hell is going on these days?  No charges in the kid shooting his sister, no charges for 13 year old boy raping a 4 year old boy twice, no charges in shooting a nine year old girl?

Is it possible to just start a whole sale slaughter and rape fest of children?


Until your second example I was blissfully unaware of that incident. That's farked up. Minor or not, that deserves serious punishment.
 
2013-05-08 05:49:36 PM

Mellotiger: Screw perspective, the real story is that TWO idiots mistook her for a skunk. "honey, is that a giant skunk frolicking in our yard?"

"I've never seen a four foot tall bipedal skunk, dear, but lets shoot it, just in case."


::sigh::

If you're not going to RTFA, at least RTFPosts.

ZeroCorpse [TotalFark] 2013-05-08 12:15:43 PM

Okay--- People are getting confused here. Let me clear this up.

She wasn't dressed as a skunk.

She was playing outside at a distance from the house, on a hillside. It was dark outside and she was wearing a black costume with a black hat that had a white feather on it.

Her body blended into the darkness. What the guy's family saw was a white tuft of fur (feather, actually) surrounded by black (the hat). The guy was told by his mother to go get his gun and shoot the skunk. He did so without getting near. His mother shined a flashlight at the "skunk" (the hat with feather) and he fired. He actually missed the "skunk" (her HEAD) and hit her lower down.

So no-- He didn't mistake a small child in a skunk costume for a skunk. He mistook a PART of a black and white costume being worn in the dark for a skunk, as did his mother.
 
2013-05-08 05:59:52 PM

fredklein: So no-- He didn't mistake a small child in a skunk costume for a skunk. He mistook a PART of a black and white costume being worn in the dark for a skunk, as did his mother.


Oh, well then. What's the big deal?
 
2013-05-08 06:26:56 PM

fredklein: Mellotiger: Screw perspective, the real story is that TWO idiots mistook her for a skunk. "honey, is that a giant skunk frolicking in our yard?"

"I've never seen a four foot tall bipedal skunk, dear, but lets shoot it, just in case."

::sigh::

If you're not going to RTFA, at least RTFPosts.

ZeroCorpse [TotalFark] 2013-05-08 12:15:43 PM

Okay--- People are getting confused here. Let me clear this up.

She wasn't dressed as a skunk.

She was playing outside at a distance from the house, on a hillside. It was dark outside and she was wearing a black costume with a black hat that had a white feather on it.

Her body blended into the darkness. What the guy's family saw was a white tuft of fur (feather, actually) surrounded by black (the hat). The guy was told by his mother to go get his gun and shoot the skunk. He did so without getting near. His mother shined a flashlight at the "skunk" (the hat with feather) and he fired. He actually missed the "skunk" (her HEAD) and hit her lower down.

So no-- He didn't mistake a small child in a skunk costume for a skunk. He mistook a PART of a black and white costume being worn in the dark for a skunk, as did his mother.


Oh well thanks for clearing up my egregious error, you know, the error based on reading the linked article with " after confusing her skunk costume for a real skunk." right there in the first paragraph. Tell me again why you think I didn't read the farking article? I know, your point is valid, but if I only read the linked article, how would I know things NOT EXPRESSED IN IT?

:: sigh::
If you're not going to read the article, don't accuse me of doing the same.
 
2013-05-08 06:35:16 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Article says he can't hunt for a year.

To me this seems inadequate punishment.


Not to mention it doesn't really make sense. Accidentally shoot a child = no hunting for a year is something akin to "run over a pedestrian = no entering races for a year." It's punishment, but it doesn't fit the crime at all.
 
2013-05-08 06:37:34 PM
I wonder if he's a sex offender who was trying to silence his victim.
 
2013-05-08 06:43:13 PM
WTF?  If you drink 2 or 3 beers and get pulled over driving home, you'll get a DWI with 2 years probation, a several thousand dollar fine, and forced to attend some "alcohol is bad and you're a horrible person" classes.  Even if you aren't involved in any kind of wreck.

This asshole shot a child, and he gets a lesser punishment.
 
2013-05-08 06:52:46 PM
She dressed skunky. Who would not shoot that?
 
2013-05-08 07:05:17 PM

Mellotiger: Oh well thanks for clearing up my egregious error, you know, the error based on reading the linked article with " after confusing her skunk costume for a real skunk." right there in the first paragraph. Tell me again why you think I didn't read the farking article? I know, your point is valid, but if I only read the linked article, how would I know things NOT EXPRESSED IN IT?.



4th post in this thread:

NutWrench [TotalFark] 2013-05-08 08:33:47 AM

Slightly better article here.

If you're going to comment on something, it pays to not just read one single article.
 
2013-05-08 07:40:34 PM

fredklein: Mellotiger: Oh well thanks for clearing up my egregious error, you know, the error based on reading the linked article with " after confusing her skunk costume for a real skunk." right there in the first paragraph. Tell me again why you think I didn't read the farking article? I know, your point is valid, but if I only read the linked article, how would I know things NOT EXPRESSED IN IT?.


4th post in this thread:

NutWrench [TotalFark] 2013-05-08 08:33:47 AM

Slightly better article here.
If you're going to comment on something, it pays to not just read one single article.


It does indeed pay, but not so much that I'm willing to research every article in case the reporting is sloppy. So I'll just go with what I'm presented unless it's actually interesting enough to follow links. In the future when you chastise me over whatever perceived error, it would probably go much better if you don't make a faulty assumption at the very beginning of the comment.
 
2013-05-08 09:41:14 PM
Well.

She should have armed herself before masquerading as a skunk on an American's property.
 
2013-05-08 10:48:11 PM
how awful.

he could tell the difference, he's just a murdering asswipe
 
2013-05-08 11:22:10 PM

davynelson: how awful.

he could tell the difference, he's just a murdering asswipe


Who'd he kill?
 
2013-05-09 03:15:09 AM

bdub77: Like shooting a skunk with a shotgun is even a remotely good idea to begin with.


Is there a good way to shoot a skunk?

I've heard a headshot keeps them from spraying, but I've also heard it happens anyway when their muscles relax.
 
2013-05-09 04:23:36 AM
I'd  rather have him working and paying restitution to his victim than just being a burden on taxpayers.  Have to assume he was evaluated before sentencing and deemed a low risk to society.  Punishment alone is not enough reason to jail him.
 
2013-05-09 08:17:56 AM

Mellotiger: It does indeed pay, but not so much that I'm willing to research every article in case the reporting is sloppy


So, you admit you didn't read the article posted in the 4th post. The "better article" (ie: with more details).

So I'll just go with what I'm presented unless it's actually interesting enough to follow links

If it's interesting enough to post about, I'd think it's interesting enough to click a link. But that's just me, looking for actual facts. You prefer to 'go with what you're presented'.

In the future when you chastise me over whatever perceived error, it would probably go much better if you don't make a faulty assumption at the very beginning of the comment.

It wasn't faulty- you DIDN'T read the article.
 
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